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asciilifeform: prolly ideal photo would be from stitch of N 25megapixel shots with small aperture and machine-cranked slide platform. but i currently dunhave a machine-cranked slide.

asciilifeform: plan with the mega-photo, is that -- when i figure out how to stitch'em -- will make metre-sized poster for wall, to scribble on as i reverse the thing... ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 23:02 asciilifeform: i'ma share a pair of example inputs: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_a_super.jpg http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_b_super.jpg (warning: 300MB! each!) .

a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 11:56 phf: asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface

asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881347 >> wish granted! >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883032 , and i'ma post moar this wk ☝︎☝︎

diana_coman: this might be to some extent theme-related as well but I'm not too keen on sinking time digging into it really

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 17:36 mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman can i rely on <blockquote> working in your comment section ?

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works ☝︎☟︎

diana_coman: at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially) ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882978 -> I'm in 2 minds on it: basically there is a lot to gain from doing it, the way I see it so that's a big pull; onth it can eat up a lot of time and it's not always the easiest of things either ☝︎

diana_coman: perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs! ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-22 17:25 diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46

phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added ☝︎☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-02-03 01:53 asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp.

asciilifeform: while on subj, i suspect that the pill for ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394833 puzzler, if indeed one can exist, lies in some variation on chemical photography. ( observe that there is no known means of observing the latent image in silver nitrate without developing the film ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and the only reason not from 2003 comp, was that i wanted moar bitness, back then, for address lines )

asciilifeform: thinking moar re the 'sense of time' thing, i suspect that my clock stopped where ~anything last happened~. e.g. i'm posting from a 2009 comp.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile i don't even consider fettards delivered to this world in that same five year plan the "reforms" came.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883049 << absolutely fucking not. "everywhere" ? are you fucking kidding me, reading university hasn't discovered the wonder of microphony, in 2018. i'm sure they had the (by then 20yo items) back in 1898, state of the art, too. but 120 years later... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764531 and all that. costa ricans can't fucking merge, what "everywhere". ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: let them do just that. "i know your wife thinks you're the best she could ever do, but truth be told a name's wasted on your dumb ass" is way the fuck more important, useful etcetera than whatever else they thought they were gonna do that evening.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-25 23:19 amberglint: btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << always a great idea. people ~should~ have ample opportunity to discover how insufficient, unimpressive, etcetera they are. i don't mean "fair" opportunity, ie, a 9mn% increase over what their environment currently provides. i mean fucking ample. ☝︎

asciilifeform: there was an ancient heathen essay re subj, somewhere, in fact - but i've misplaced it

asciilifeform: see i read 'how cia' and thought implies 'dirty trick'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it's underhanded in the sense i don't think underhanded means anything in the context. there's a very strict difference between the priviledged and the unpriviledged position, "only do those things specifically allowed" vs "do all things not specifically forbidden". while you'd expect a customer to only read mail addressed to him, it's iffy whether you expect the post office to read all mail it can

asciilifeform: ( rust remover variant, i could do with ~own~ hands , whenever )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << iirc i explained in prev thread: i have a veerry limited supply of samples. and so, i'd be willing to share 1 with a commercial lab, supposing i had with what to pay, or the proprietor were serious re 'pro bono'. but not so excited to give to some d00d who uses rust remover and layers,whatlayers, etc ☝︎

amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881120 << unfortunately no src, I only have the binaries ☝︎

amberglint: btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea ☟︎☟︎

amberglint: asciilifeform: I'm not aware of alternatives, but maybe this advice from a microscopist will make Hugin useful: http://www.righto.com/2015/12/creating-high-resolution-integrated.html

asciilifeform: if there lives a hero who knows how to merge the 2cm of ugh that dun fit on the bed -- plox to write in. meanwhile i'ma attend to other items on conveyor.

asciilifeform: i'ma share a pair of example inputs: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_a_super.jpg http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_b_super.jpg (warning: 300MB! each!) . ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://hugin.sourceforge.net for instance ( i dun even know of any serious alt- to the thing ) . author apparently is militantly retarded, thing feels free to cut pieces from the inputs moar or less randomly

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yea so i gather from reading the thing

asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#selection-95.505-95.623 << mircea_popescu is implication that this is an underhanded thing to do ? cuz i dun see any diff b/w trinque's wallet eating unsolicited coin for the glory of trinquedom, and asciilifeform swallowing unsolicited packets ( i.e. without valid customer ip as dest addr ) ditto

asciilifeform: i'ma quote from the orig then:

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sometimes i think the ~only social product of females in this country is the yelling out of various names, sometimes interspersed with "venga" or something. << The retards here do "Vení" instead

diana_coman: I'll try to recover it anyway

diana_coman: from what I see in the paste you did not use "" for the links though?

asciilifeform: possibly overkill, but i'm quite tired of 'oops, this 1 whisker aint visible in shitphoto, nao let's redo'

mircea_popescu: sometimes i think the ~only social product of females in this country is the yelling out of various names, sometimes interspersed with "venga" or something.

mircea_popescu: i expect i spent <week total to date with them. which yes, since you ask, i am quite proud of.

mircea_popescu: (there's a special settings page for listing allowed tags, and i'm starting to suspect this should be standardized by now -- tho why the fuck is it rather than <very-nice-and-thickly_bold> and wtf is <blockquote>, <bq> was taken ?!)

mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman can i rely on <blockquote> working in your comment section ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm just back from dumping a >500 word comment into diana's blog ; this thing is going critical

asciilifeform: after that , ch14b, where i found a ~20% (linear) speedup.

asciilifeform meanwhile got hold of a gigantic flatbed scanner, with afaik densest available sensor, '9600x9600 dpi', which in human units is ~3 micron / pixel. which'd be aaaalmost enuff to simply scan the die, if i had the naked die... but i'ma scan the pcbs with it, and the xray film, when i get hold of the latter.

mats: asciilifeform: i used the prev build. after updating to mainline, no issues getting a tx out

asciilifeform: mats: i assume you had most recent mainline trb (i.e. with 'aggression' ) ?

mats: oh how embarrassing, i will reinvestigate and report back

a111: Logged on 2018-12-24 17:13 mats: i checked my notes, i have had 4 separate tx (with -connect set exclusively to advertised republican nodes) since march fail to be mined, including one this morning. i don't know whether i can determine if they're just not being relayed to the network, or outright being ignored

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882931 << fwliw i have a 90+% written node-and-tx-hunter with wwwistic frontend etc. but it is currently on shelf, taking back seat to ffa ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-24 09:28 mats: has anyone successfully gotten a trb tx mined in the six months? i have tried several times and not succeeded

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882916 << me. and damn near errybody. mats i suspect yours is misconfiged ? ☝︎

diana_coman: onth in dex I found bildibic but not your bilbidic

trinque: eh I think you'll rather want to -addnode republican nodes. -connect is exclusive

mats: i checked my notes, i have had 4 separate tx (with -connect set exclusively to advertised republican nodes) since march fail to be mined, including one this morning. i don't know whether i can determine if they're just not being relayed to the network, or outright being ignored ☟︎

mats: trinque: i would love to use that, except stock trb doesn't have create/signrawtxn functionality yet

trinque: I've been sending trb txn quite a lot for wallet users, haven't had any recent trouble.

danielpbarron: i have gotten a tx to confirm with trb, but i've also had one ignored

mircea_popescu: (next logical step to "oh, i maintain a node" being, obv, "oh, i maintain a !!sendtx".)

trinque: mats: I have

mats: has anyone successfully gotten a trb tx mined in the six months? i have tried several times and not succeeded ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea that's what i ended up with on my chalkboard, earlier. will give it a shot the old-fashioned way.

mircea_popescu: or you know, AdvancedMaterials@ashland.com. i'm sure they'll send you some.

asciilifeform: this kinda thing is normal, sadly, for heavy equipment, but this is the 1st time that i see it for an item in the disposability class of toilet paper

asciilifeform: nah ~that~ part i think i get

mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how pervasive this http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ slash http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/ idiocy is.

asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi what the shitlife authors were smoking; even asciilifeform's www ( and yes incl ~all~ the maffs ! ) displays on even the saddest pnoje

asciilifeform: i find it at least a little surprising that popular heathen www dun display on pnoje, but whoknows, the 'state of the art' in wwwistic dysfunction is always 'advancing'

mircea_popescu: no more of that! the new philosophy of http://trilema.com/2016/i-dont-think-you-understand-how-credit-cards-work/#selection-129.0-133.18 smartiepants is http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/#selection-27.0-29.28

mircea_popescu: nah, there's an iffy point there, "well.. so how does one get message out, guesses the odd bits you happened to use this time ?!" which is directly a rehash of http://trilema.com/2018/so-i-designed-a-block-chipher/ problem

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why exactly ~is~ it that they 'I can't even read the whole subject line' ?

asciilifeform: i'd be quite interested in ~any~ bound, aha

mircea_popescu: if i get something like "only odd bits of key can be leaked" we've won.

asciilifeform: ( the mega-q, from asciilifeform's pov, is whether it is possible to make a bridge b/w shannon's result and the practical, i.e. to demonstrate a method where key is smaller than payload (i.e. not otp) but where the actual leakage of key bits per N message bits sent, can be ~quantified~ with upper bound. )

asciilifeform: near as i can tell, if there's been any movement on that front since 1940s, nobody's talking.

asciilifeform: per shannon, ~all~ methods other than otp (i.e. where key is shorter than payload) 'leak entropy'. the q is just how much, and how to even quantify.

mircea_popescu: i think basically the point here is to summarize what was found. and that's specifically that a) there's no meaningful discussion of "better" or "worse" ciphers worth having when by "cipher" one understands "mixing in 0 entropy".

asciilifeform: the simplest algebraic variant is shamir's split (which trivially nukes 'knownplaintextism'). but it introduces a usable relationship b/w plaintexts, which is The Wrong Thing, and is how i ended up with 'hmm automata?' etc

asciilifeform: it has strong smell of The Right Thing, but i cannot claim to have nailed down precisely how it oughta go, just yet.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, kinda in the vein of my algo hash thing. but honestly i'd prefer an algebraic form.

mircea_popescu: i guess that makes two of us.

a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 21:45 asciilifeform: anyway for 512bit key, you still keep the 128bit block. but each time you have incoming 128b plaintext, you shamir it rngistically into 512bits, i.e. 4 128b parcels that must be xor'd to reconstitute the original. each of these get ciphered with one of 4 independently-generated 128b keys.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re ((123)) comments my plugin at least requires a space i.e. (( 123))

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had thread, i suggested several algos for specifically this

mircea_popescu: the more i think about this whole serpent business, the more it becomes evident that the ~only~ way to have a cipher (not encryption, ie, asym keys, but enciphering, ie, simmetric keys) stronger than serpent is to ~mix rng bits~. ie, the weakest cipher is the one where len(E) = len(P), and they're all equally week, and 1 serpent worth. to go stronger, you must have something that has len(E) = a len(P) + b sorta thing. the key

trinque: pretty cool lobbes. I don't know that I've heard anyone report yet that it didn't boot for them. I've still got more work to do to make the genesis.vpatch unform across runs.

lobbes is going to be road travelling for the next few days so may not be able to respond to pings right away. However I'll be reading logs and will respond to any pings upon return

lobbes: Btw, here is the vpatch of my second-run >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/genesis_2018_12_22.vpatch. Just to test, I used the 'classic' vdiff in lieu of my keccak vdiffer, but the sig still did not verify for me. Possibly just something I fucked along the way though

lobbes: to write up a blog poast of all my steps along with the kernel config I used for the lenovo)

lobbes: http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/#comment-47 << to update: I ended up having to re-run the bootstrapper.sh as the first time around I neglected to get the correct kernel. Second run I was able to boot from teh usb on the lenovo x61 (exciting seeing that 'Cuntoo' in the lilo bootloader). Next up is testing a subsequent install onto the main HD of the x61 from the usb. (Once complete I aim

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876124 << in other news, I figured out the cause of my node's sad: I'm an idjit and didn't set up proper periodic debug.log clearing (thing was 226 GB O-o). Truncating via a "truncate -s 0 /home/lobbes/.bitcoin/debug.log" did the trick; noad now is at 411015 (after being wedged at exactly 386827 for months). ☝︎

asciilifeform: i also dun wanna encourage the imho sad heathen thing where folx write 'take proggy and generate diagram'. imho proper proggy oughta be baked in such a way as to make this unnecessary, should be derivable from the description, rather than vice-versa.

asciilifeform: dunno if i said before, but these are a 1st-class bitch to write.

BingoBoingo: I suspect the end result is a recipe that involves a bit more user configuration, not the end of the world

mircea_popescu: but i mean... http://thewhet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/cml4.jpg ?

BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I've used an mp-wp install with a functional image uploader yet.

BingoBoingo: That I will try digging into more