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phf: it's more of a mental rolodex of 5 guys who are not in their 70s who are or were actively working with anything at all symbolics. he also knows the ones in their 70s, but those, except for reiner joswig, rarely come up, since they are, at this point, the kind of people who boot their symbolics, if they still have one, once in 5 years to remember the glory days
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
phf: re ivory i think we had a thread about macivory being much easier to reverse, since it's all isolated, but you will still have to spend time (re?)learning the gnarly details of apple bus, and whatever adhoc protocol is used to communicate with host. going by an xl might not be a worse option
asciilifeform: a++
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
mircea_popescu: witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878186 ; morons can't even fucking COPY worth a shit anymore. ☝︎
asciilifeform: convenient, that there aint a solzhenitsin writing a 'gitmo archipelag'
asciilifeform: 'The prison won’t have to measure up to Danish standards either. “I’m sure they [the criminals] would rather serve in a Danish prison, but there needs to be room for many others,” Preben Bang Henriksen, the spokesperson for Venstre party on judicial issues, told DR Nyheder.' << mega-outsource biz idea!11
asciilifeform not terribly astonished that museum doesn't bother to reply to 'hey whydontcha lemme borrow your kohinoor diamond for a spell'
asciilifeform: over the yrs, i've written to a number of folx who have the thing, some 'collectors' , some 'museums' that keep the thing under glass and away from the gold recycling people. but 0 replies. ( tbf, wot problem, they can't readily distinguish asciilifeform from gold recyclers etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:34 asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 23:30 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 22:24 bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template)
asciilifeform: ” they tell him, “the October holidays will soon be here, the anniversary of the Revolution. Give us a bit more for the anniversary and they’ll probably lop a couple more years off.” So he hands in his gold in installments—some for November 7, some for May 1, then for Constitution Day, and maybe even for March 8 (Women’s Day). The investigator gets his bonuses, the snoopers early release, and the millionaire—a bullet.'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
asciilifeform: lol BingoBoingo , remember when 'cock' was a bird ?
asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:41 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
asciilifeform: 'ivory' board, however ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875835 ) is moar or less exactly the correct item, it's a minimal set of support logic for the chip, and piggybacks on ancient 1980s crapple ( box that's been reversed nine ways to pluto and 100% emulatable today ) for i/o ☝︎
asciilifeform: and hah, loox like dks is also selling a https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-XL401-lisp-workstation-with-Genera-8-3/113419020606 ( phf-style machine ) nao . it is not however fit for the experiment, much moar complex board ( given as it's a standalone box )
asciilifeform: pretty painful proposition, to pick up a $5k board simply to read off the GALs and xray the pcb. but unless somebody has one to lend for the purpose, i dun see how that dig will ever move beyond 'i have these here 2 ic's' without access to orig ivory pcb.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:14 asciilifeform: phf, incidentally, do you know that i blew MONTHS, if you add it up, possibly most of a year of life, sawing open 'snap4' genera in ida ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: also must add that, on a machine having the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 property, 99+% of the use cases for 'db' disappear
a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 06:59 mircea_popescu: we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure.
BingoBoingo: Feliz cumpleaños a alf!
Mocky: hell no, 25yo boy has a donkey in his head that won't stop kicking
Mocky: enjoy it, 35 is a man's prime. I ought to know, I'm in my second decade of being 35!
Mocky: damn, 3 days actually. I think I lost a day somewhere
Mocky: Expecting to get phone interviews with labcorp and lexis nexis scheduled soon, along with a bunch of unknowns
Mocky: It's coming along, I'm toughening up. I have a couple dozen new recruiter emails this morning and I only want vodka before I start answering and not hollow point so progress!
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 07:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors.
asciilifeform: it's a 'success' in exactly same way as x86.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i'm not arguing correctness, i'm arguing environment fitness. much like "man is the ~only~ biology success". not intended to mean man's a defensible design.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
asciilifeform: it's a pretty deep pit.
mircea_popescu: it's not exactly clear to me yet what the situation is. it's altogether possible postgres may be rescuable through a process similar to how "peculiar linux candidate packaging sterilized into cuntoo". ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and yes it is possible to write certain proggies such that they work with 'any sql db' -- sort how it is also possible to write a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875332 . but in the general case -- failed ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-06 01:48 asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics
mircea_popescu: (kinda interesting thing, too -- getting rid of the long s type happened in the middle of that century, and people seem to have regarded it as a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-06#912088 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: not avoidable task anyway, we're stuck pretty much writing a fs anyway, eventually. however, the former is how we build to the latter, so.
mircea_popescu: i suspect some work on trying mp-wp in a postgres environment would be quite beneficial at this juncture, even.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used a 'trigraph' index, they're O(~n log n) , if yer interested.
mircea_popescu: that said, yes there's evidently a mysql-vs-postrgres holy war in the brewing here. but i don't think that boil's baked enough for lancing just yet.
mircea_popescu: we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( could've just as easily been a 3MB djvu, but the derps evidently dun know that this exists )
asciilifeform: ( makes sense, the name, thing tends to get pounded flat and acquire a roadkill-like leathery appearance )
mircea_popescu: well it's not a scan worth the mention. but they are far from uncommon, most (serious) uni libraries should have really.
asciilifeform: page seems to have a photo ver
mircea_popescu: can always go to a real library read the ph proc of the royal society.
asciilifeform: ( there is also phf's www-displaying one, but that one isn't a system proggy or published as such )
mircea_popescu: ah right you are, his was a product of "ima try to reimplement to understand this".
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
asciilifeform: that thing is holding down a stack of papers somewhere in torture room
asciilifeform: tho i was able to get a kinda linux on it, it actually went with me to mircea_popescu's c2 as travel comp
mircea_popescu: is it supposed to be a computer or a boobytrap.
asciilifeform wishes a speedy return to health to hanbot
mircea_popescu: anyway, for citizens interested in more serious work : i shall prolly delay report making for a few days, because well, this month started with apendicitis hanbot, and i'm not going to force the very pleasant locals to set up their er/surgery hotel with my complicated red boxes.
mircea_popescu: the encounters of intelligent people always have this mocky flavour, "fuck me, i was sitting here looking for a bitcoin game now it seems i'm going to qatar ?! these people ask the wrong fucking questions!"
asciilifeform could prolly happily live for yr in a bunker with net pipe
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth, chet & i ran into each other on meanwhile-defunct 2d game /me briefly played while being hidden away in a bunker many years ago, to not go entirely fucking mad.
asciilifeform: yrs ago when asciilifeform earned bread as a sort of spammer exterminator, also usually engaged manually for own amusement, rather than to any particular other end
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i usually read the extreme scores, if doing nothing in particular. not exactly a waste of time, the shit that gets dredged up...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever rule out hypothesis that there's a diff heathen pit where moar % actual people and fewer % elizas ?
mircea_popescu: as a very basic intro level (like "atom is cake with electron raisins in it"), they have a 60% rule, where the response wordcount will be on a curve centered on ~60% of input. yes sometimes will answer 120% or like in the rare case quoted yest, perturber in excited state, 600%. nevertheless, if you sum over the millions...
mircea_popescu: this is the point im making. before fetlife lulz, i thought as you do, "eliza a+ idiot emulator"
asciilifeform: it's a really notbad idjit-emulator.
asciilifeform: stock eliza will perform a++.
asciilifeform: there's, what, 5 or 6 things they emit ( incl. the 'i have a dom' , 'i am a dom', etc claptrap )
mircea_popescu: eliza will come up with the idea of "messaging her intelligence" ? ie, enact it as a distinct-disembodied-totem of herself ?
mircea_popescu: this whole fetlife thing has firmly convinced me i'd have been deeply unequipped to convincingly write a millenial before. one really needs to experience the unleashed stupid to be able to conceptualize just what garbage these shitstacks are.
lobbes: However, if anyone wants (once I get a proper keccak v going) I can make a private patch on request (a la http://trilema.com/2018/the-v-questionarium-answerarium-2018-edition/#selection-327.0-327.204)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 22:22 trinque: wot rating lookup isn't heavy at all, sounds like a plan.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087) ☝︎☝︎☟︎
lobbes: anyways, I'm try this later on a sane os, and with a gnat < 2017 (will also re-read some of the recent gnat threads).
bvt: howeve i see that you are stracing a vk.pl, not vpatch itself. tracing vk.pl would give too much information, it would help to see only strace -f vpatch < patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch
asciilifeform: lobbes: that doesn't look like a strace output
lobbes is soon going to grab a spare lappy so as to test out cuntoo and finally have a sane os with e.g. ave1's gnat, etc.
lobbes: diana_coman, bvt: this was indeed a newer adacore (from May 2018) https://www.adacore.com/download. I'm going to look into the tempfile thread alf mentioned. may very well be the same issue
spyked: hey trinque, you still on for changing rss bots? I should be around for another 30 minutes or so. depending on the number of feeds/subscribers, it may take me a while to check/add everything, so we could do this in two steps: you send me the subscriptions (pm, #trilema and everything else) tonight whenever you can, and then I'll add them tomorrow and fire up feedbot whenever you're available to turn off deedbot rss
bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template) ☟︎
diana_coman: hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: granted ave1's gnat still has 'miles to go' in some aspects, gotta be de-autoconf'd ( asciilifeform aint ever signing ANYTHING with autoconfolade in it ) and genesis'd. but it worx a++, is portable (to arm, currently) and is frozen, which is good bit moar than can be said for adacore's thing
mircea_popescu: in any case it was never common, more of a rich folk giving young bride best chances sorta affair, "if i'ma spend a fortune rising this special camel it'd better sniff dead corpses" sorta thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 16:27 lobbes: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign
trinque: (included in a whole dump of subscriptions)
trinque: I'll give you a list of current PM subscriptions so you can keep firing those for people.
asciilifeform: remember, they sell that thing as a dumb terminal, with only a token bone thrown to 'yes you can install own os' notion
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877949 <-- ftr, v.py was the first vtron that I read, and I think it's a great didactic implem (though nowadays esthlos v is imho a good competitor in that field) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 14:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877909 << (3) is potentially doable but will leave you marooned with one kernel, unless you have a second, similar box -- google's shitware is dynlinked and wont run under musltronic cuntoo
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.