asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: art is +ev in the artist's diseased head. which is why insanity is a must.
asciilifeform: and it is perhaps just barely possible to program in it without 'who-calls', 'apropos', etc., but certainly not pleasant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: properly sane people, for example, tend to stick to +ev activities.
asciilifeform: today, some degree of lunacy is almost a basic bar for being willing to touch the cursed machine in the first place.
asciilifeform: not sure if this adds anything to mircea_popescu's line of thought, but it is known that paul graham wrote common lisp programs using... vi. this drives me to barking madness after five minutes, and it is difficult to picture what brain might look like after a whole year of it, or what said brain must have looked like to even contemplate doing such a thing.
asciilifeform: in the very best case, the result looks like tommy aquinas.
asciilifeform: it is impossible to do anything like proper thinking with sc4mz0rated priors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: graham is an illustration of something else: the corrosive effect of taking scam-money, regardless of the purpose, on intellectual honesty and in turn intelligence itself
asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably☟︎
asciilifeform: that would be not unlike bank not grokking 'don't smear shit over contents of safe deposit box'
asciilifeform: phuctor is now in recalculatory limbo, and may be for weeks; and therealbitcoin node is in blackhole limbo
asciilifeform: dulap has had three in almost as many months.
asciilifeform: my thirtybux/mo penIII idiot box in american datacenter, in contrast, now hosting 'incitatus', has had one unscheduled reset in ~6 years.
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this proggy !
asciilifeform: but iirc he was unable to find anyone who would dare to connect it to live btc, on terms that both could agree to.
asciilifeform: it was his tradebot thing, in common lisp.
asciilifeform: adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.
asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.☟︎
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's starvation, vs gassing
asciilifeform: and must remember that orcs (the more unhinged, for this purpose, the better) keep up real estate bubble by fact of their mere existence.
asciilifeform: (maintain terror among the white tax base)
asciilifeform: the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use.☟︎
asciilifeform: (in the logs one can learn that i suggested it to therealbitcoin folks)
asciilifeform: this, as i understand, is done largely out of desperation
asciilifeform: (a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)
asciilifeform: phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'
asciilifeform: in general, whenever one is programming for ~a whole machine~
asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'☟︎
asciilifeform: <phf> mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program
asciilifeform: but never affects own inputs directly.
asciilifeform: or, when producing a buildable tree - build.
asciilifeform: or, in the case of flow graph, examine visually.
asciilifeform: it can produce output, which one might at some point sign and place in 'patches' and 'sigs' respectively.
