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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has an article with springs and ratchets, iirc, aha
asciilifeform: i for one do not much care whether they 'take remedial class remedial in washing' in a specially-designated leprosorium , or in mircea_popescu's cellar; just for so long as the non-washers do not get to redefine what washing means.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:33 mircea_popescu: you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: practically speaking on current tech the bitcoin unit of account is probably something like 0.25
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:31 mircea_popescu: a seventh and final problem : you now constructed a chain of casks, on top of the blockchain. consider what happens if node fails to keep his ENTIRE history of casks EVER issued : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613884
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:24 mircea_popescu: a sixth, also major problem is that the system offers no serious guarantees to the user. think of some situations : a) i mined some bitcoin back in 2011, today i clean out the closed and boot up old laptop, to check out the tits and bits of ex gf who was back then hot and heavy into me. i jack off, and then snoop around and find a bitcoin wallet with ~500 btc in it. i go to spend it... and discover... that i know no nodes...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm ok with 11 in, 11 out. so long the byte block for them is FIXED.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:08 mircea_popescu: a third, and rather major, problem is that you will have serious trouble creating fixed width transactions in general. the reason is that the amount of information itself varies ; you can pretend to push this inconvenience all the way to the user ("hey, always use two inputs and two outputs and fu!") but it's somewhat unlikely to ever stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 12:14 mircea_popescu: a fourth, minor point, is that you have your market primitives ass-backwards. no price formation is ever envisaged to have "asks may depend on bids" as an edulcoration of "asks are fixed ; bids are fixed" because it is always possible to produce a pricing function for the product (based on cost) whereas it's never possible to produce a pricing function for the demand (demand is a psychological, not a physical phenomenon). the
asciilifeform: i'm with mircea_popescu on this one
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:59 mircea_popescu: there's a different, much less notable problem wrt to what constitutes "a rotten fill". if i go to the stock market (i mean the old, gentlemany, pit of hand gestures thing) and bid "sentiments" for a certain share, i am in fact engaging in retarded behaviour, on the level of sjwing, and will, and should be kicked out.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 11:56 mircea_popescu: to demand miner makes a certified statement to the effect of "offset 0xa to 0xb in block y is reserved for txn 0xc" is putting a constraint on this p2p system the likes of which it can't conceivably bear.
asciilifeform: sooo first of all, hats off to mircea_popescu for actually digesting this piece
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 17:51 mircea_popescu: trinque understand the problem with "I will also be piling up the signed material for my records" : if during your lifespan you manage to lose eg a 30yo hdd, because you've built a reviewable system those txn will be reviewable. are you on the hook now for refunds ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ready for some answrs?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 05:16 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:48 mircea_popescu: and then she hates her parents.
asciilifeform: nighty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, on 2nd thought it probably does not belong there. But at least is clearly marked as not belonging !111
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/571C5222741EC7293E8C100CAF612354E65E3459.asc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh the boojum'll turn up. it is not given to ~anybody to invent 2 nice algos...
asciilifeform: and at the same time grade nodes by degree of promise-keeping, as described by mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he wants to make promises -- they gotta be opposable
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 21:41 asciilifeform: actually i know an algo that does this. will post it later, if it isn't obvious to mircea_popescu et al after a few minutes' thought.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:17 mircea_popescu: if it were the case you had to pay 2 bux to transact in 2011, bitcoin'd have never exiosted
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems more of a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618577 neh ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my puzzlement is re the continued existence of 0fee in conjunction with 'blocks are crowded.' can you picture a city where trains are full to bursting point, but they continue letting a third of the passengers in for free ?!
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu nails it, the block subsidy makes it largely uninteresting to bother with squeezing the most tx fee from every available byte of ullage in block
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it is a market, it is 'buyer's market'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 22:04 mircea_popescu: i certainly don't keep nodes for "our democracy", as discussed recently.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619482 << right now, keeping a node is -ev for almost everyone who could be doing it. only oddballs with countereconomic motivation of one kind or another (e.g., trb experimenters) , plus miners themselves, plus serious txers ( e.g., mircea_popescu ) have a desire to do it. there are not so many of these. it is rather like relying on entirely on coprophagics for your sewage disposal needs. ☝︎
asciilifeform: seems like oddball masochism gear, i've never seen it outside of mircea_popescu's links..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol what is what, a veterinary autocastrator ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik you couldn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phrased this way, it elementarily falls down. q was whether you could do the deed ~without~ promisetronics
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it 'wants to be free', tell me my p and q aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea is that market gets to twiddle the number, neh
asciilifeform: actually i know an algo that does this. will post it later, if it isn't obvious to mircea_popescu et al after a few minutes' thought. ☟︎
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Heckler & Koch VP70 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%2526_Koch_VP70>; Hk VP70 The gun that changed it all - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0Wq5_3rkqd8>; Heckler & Koch's Historic VP70 - Tactical Life: <http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/heckler-koch-historic-vp70/>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tldr - asciilifeform failed to square the circle
asciilifeform: and (as iirc mircea_popescu observed also) it would reduce to ~same situation as today, where the folx with the serious hashing iron would eat ~all of the cake, and everybody else gets to do the laundry.
asciilifeform: ( now! for all i know, they wrote directly to mircea_popescu . but notice that he is not burning with the desire to share this fact. the secrecy incentive remains even for folks N degrees separated from a known miner ! )
asciilifeform: even though such high rollers as mircea_popescu , sometimes transmit tx through it.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 20:07 mircea_popescu: can you presently count the bitcoin networks that exist ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the bitcoin network bandwith far exceeds the ACTUAL transaction needs of the civilised world.
asciilifeform: atm mempool works as a 'meat market' where the eligible chixx stand around, waiting, hoping for a serious mircea_popescu to show up and take'em home
asciilifeform: ( the above ^ now that i think about it, could be simplified to mircea_popescu's earlier 'node accepts if you put an output to his addr in your tx' )
asciilifeform: this may very well resolve to mircea_popescu's unsolved 'blind inputs' problem.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu here's another crackpottery in re the nodes/miners/txers 'racul, broasca si o stiuca' : ~multistage mining~. where a node can encumber (protocolically/mathematically - for now i will not specify how) a tx with some proofofwork, when passing it on to next relay; and when the tx is mined, the block reward is split between the multiple parents of the final tx.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 17:11 mircea_popescu: consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615679 ; nobody seems much perturbed that THE FIRST TIME A TRANSACTION WAS HEARD OF WAS WHEN IT SHOWED UP IN A BLOCK.
asciilifeform: this is not a strike against mircea_popescu's algo -- imho it is direly necessary
asciilifeform: (given mircea_popescu's algo, they more or less must vertically integrate.) then there will be equally little point for nonmining nodes to operate as there is today.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 18:39 mircea_popescu: reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
asciilifeform: incidentally mircea_popescu's algo doesn't force miners to ~relay~, necessarily, blocks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov phrased same lemma with different pieces -- '90s ru produced a dictum, 'don't lend more than it'd cost the creditor to take a contract on you'
a111: Logged on 2015-09-29 10:10 mircea_popescu: who knows. the venetians spent all their time training the girls to be whores, lost to charles on the field then won in the bedroom.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when it makes it into a block -- king and slave alike, are doomed to spend cycles on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just to make it absolutely clear, i don't see a long-term future for satoshi's turd. all of my work on trb is to be regarded in same light as the neutron-absorbing armour on 1970s sov tanks -- something with which to prolong the life of the crew ~slightly~ so that it can drive over freshly-nuked ground and last a few hours of shootout.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would have to have some equivalent of fs journal
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 17:42 mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
asciilifeform: to revisit much further upstack, to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018732 ( via mircea_popescu's latest article ) -- consider a 'trb-i' where a tx carries proof of work, and is likewise mined as is the block ☝︎
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack: mircea_popescu can you think of any reason not to queue the writes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that 'agreement' is brain-melting
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 12:30 mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 13:18 mircea_popescu: and in other brown-shirts-with-gray-trim news, https://qz.com/919678/srinivas-kuchibhotla-muder-the-infuriating-silence-of-donald-trump-over-an-indian-engineers-murder-in-kansas/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 40-80 secs. verifications are still 15x slower than on zoolag (ssd box). i wonder, possibly , if the remaining delay still consists of disk -- but of block fetches, rather than tx index.
asciilifeform: ^ very puzzling result, and now finally similar to mircea_popescu's 'disk and Other Factors'
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-26#1618699 >> possibly not wholly useless: >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/g97IR/?raw=true ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is the kind of thinking that gave us prb. as mircea_popescu described earlier today.
asciilifeform: (and this is probably not measurably slower, in practice, than what mircea_popescu did)
asciilifeform: that's what's in mircea_popescu's patch presumably.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did you do with the index if power failed (or node -- crashed) or whatever disruption ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as per yesterday's thread -- running node per se is 'expensive and unrewarding activity' aha!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz consider publishing your patch where you made this happen; it is not a trivial change
asciilifeform: the thread today where mircea_popescu sees something with even the superficial silhouette of a cheap prbistic hack, and barf mightily, taught you nothing, jurov ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-26 19:26 mircea_popescu: now then : a fix for the db would significantly improve a few classes of block verification delays ; and it would alleviate blackhole-like behaviour due to that, node's frozen checking a new block. there's at least 3 different dos vectors for other nodes, and a) the foregoing wouldn't help ; b) if it helped the enemy could easily upregulate the crapflood to compensate.
a111: Logged on 2013-05-13 22:39 mircea_popescu: it's screwed wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the longest reorg you've personally observed, to date ?
asciilifeform: and i will point out, none of my findings so far contradict mircea_popescu's original 'it sits and waits for the disk.' only question was, where.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you, using my patch or similar, determined that type1 (verification) blackhole consists of any substantial portion of something other than db wait -- i'm all ears
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was in re the verification blackhole (the most common type observed on dulap)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al :
mark_00123: hi mircea_popescu
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FEYhA/?raw=true << thus far on dulap. << very cool alf. wow @ 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 218863ms; db write wait: 175065ms'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:39 mircea_popescu: you could, in theory.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nails it.
asciilifeform: ( can mircea_popescu or any other oldtimer even explain to me why 0fee ever existed?? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: answrd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'a' can shit out tx, 'b' shoulders the cost, but unrelated 'c' is paid by a, you have socialistleak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it was 'junkyard wars', plain and simple
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 18:33 mircea_popescu: no because government does thart for them hurr.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 20:03 mircea_popescu: the pill to socialism is market. make things marketable, no further problems.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cosigner' not in the idiot 'multisig' sense, but in the banking sense. 'this unencrypted input GUARANTEES validity of this tx, but if blinded input turns out valid, it does not get balance substracted.'