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asciilifeform: re: rms: i vaguely recall that gpl was invented (conceptually) by his friend & associate, eben moglen
asciilifeform: as mere aesthetic preference, i'd rather if folks were able to be honest with themselves and others re: their motivations. but i did not fight rms's war, cannot say 'he oughta have....'
mircea_popescu: not that i think fsf's bad or anything. merely observing that peanuts aren't aeroplanes does not imply a hatred of peanuts.
asciilifeform: i suspect that he spun the whole thing as 'moral philosophy' because if he had readily admitted that gpl was merely a successful hack against usg's 'laws', he would have been killed.
mircea_popescu: your " without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers" is exactly equivalent i suspect to what i call who are you again ? fuck off, I don't give a shit" sort of approach to third parties of any man owning a computer
mircea_popescu: suppose i make computers, and decide to not sell them. what now ?
asciilifeform: rms might say, 'i'll leave you with your slave, you leave me with my computer'
mircea_popescu: yes. that if i write something on my slave's thigh, it's none of your damned business.
mircea_popescu: if i write something on my slavew's thigh it's none of your damned business wtf.
mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i guess "important" is not the best word, as im discussing size-importance.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect that the only reason we do not yet have 'mandatory' national altcoins is that lizardhitler still hopes to wind back clock to '08 or the like
asciilifeform: i'm not sure why it even matters what the gavinists do, so long as the original blockchain continues to run as designed. it then remains a 'hawala' between actual people, and zimbabwe can do whatever
undata: I dunno was poettering compromised?
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing dollars.
thestringpuller: I wonder how Gavin got compromised. Will make for intersting movie one day.
mircea_popescu: "I don't think a hard fork would be very difficult, but only if the following two points are taken into account:
ben_vulpes: i guess it works if your goal is to suck the conqueror's cocks.
thestringpuller: i'm more of a bubbles
thestringpuller: and i'm not cory or trevor ben_vulpes :P
mircea_popescu: "If Popescu chooses to wage war in fragmented environment and can demonstrate some potential to come out victorious I'll likely put my resources behind his efforts. This exclusively because whatever his motivations might be, his basic end goal and my own seem to align."
undata: there's that and also, I think the american system demonstrates just how obedient the average person is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always found it rather odd that folks who very easily see the problems with, e.g., pollution of the atmosphere or of the sea, fail to grasp an exactly analogous argument re: inflation
asciilifeform: i'll take the liberty of quoting old article of mine: ' I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out! The flashlight shines, the radio plays. Let’s listen and hear what it plays. '
undata: when I was younger I thought Ron Paul was the way
asciilifeform: ^ i noticed this when writing the 'mpex review' article
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/asj4rQB.jpg anyhow I'm going to go get two birds stoned at once
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "I don't perceive a smartphone's worth having. Much like an AK-47, if not for the same reason." << i think it's clearly stated. like an assault rifle, a smartphone's not worth having. not for the same reason tho, but nevertheless, not worth having.
ben_vulpes: i musta been putting the wrong objects in the wrong boxes this whole time.
ben_vulpes: i'll get there eventually, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i actually saw it.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 06:34:07; asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
thestringpuller: This is how I will describe SAP for now on.
ben_vulpes: i smell toe jam cooking
thestringpuller: i don't know it?
thestringpuller: i'd revel in conformal's products if it wasn't written in GO
kakobrekla: well i wasnt expecting an answer at all tbh.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
thestringpuller: "Oops I accidentally copy pasted this password wrong."
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thestringpuller: ;;google "I'm so startled"
thestringpuller: should I start watering my plants with gatorade yet?
ben_vulpes: now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
mircea_popescu: if you kill fifty people a day and it's giving you carpal, get an ak do it faster. that i see.
mircea_popescu: i don't go down the street carrying a horse. or a boat.
mircea_popescu: nothing! i have nothing against ice breakers and atomic shelters, either. but i don't own any!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what on earth do you have against kalash ?! i keep wondering.
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/cikxn8u.jpg
shovel_boss_: why did i get up
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the article's a scandal, i just mean, it being so long is scandalous.
PeterL: ha, I can be hard to please sometimes
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeh gotta do that. i will yes.
PeterL: I suppose they could be marketing, trying to get companies to sign up for their service?
thestringpuller: what they do I do not know
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i toured the offices. they have like 30+ employees
thestringpuller: i'd love to have asciilifeform AI controlling my house
thestringpuller: asciilifeform i hope they model an AI construct after you one day.
asciilifeform: (am i the only one who still expires keys?)
adlai: "So I think the lack of a real computer science today, and the lack of real software engineering today, is partly due to this pop culture [of the personal computer]." https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523
mircea_popescu: i forget its name, but it doesn't matter, the principle is the same.
thestringpuller: i guess we just don't know how bitcoin works amirite?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what';s not to get
thestringpuller: i even made a cute little diagram
mircea_popescu: thus, i split half already.
mircea_popescu: 1 tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc txn that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
thestringpuller: how he does that, i dunno and I don't care
mircea_popescu: heh somehow i doubt that's how it'l lwork.
mircea_popescu: in practice i';d expect them to separate their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
mircea_popescu: i guess it would.
danielpbarron: yes that's what i mean; withdraw, split, send fake-coins back into exchange, repeat
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself to seperate forks before using them in anger.
thestringpuller: As Louis Armstrong said, "As I think to myself, was I ever this dumb?" LOL
mircea_popescu: i was thinking that as i wrote, but then dropped. yes, an apt analogy in many ways. very inept in others tho
joecool: mircea_popescu: oh that was entirely sarcastic, i did not phrase that seriously
joecool: it's cool though, they are ditching openssl, i'm sure whatever they replace it with will do a better job :)
joecool: mircea_popescu: i built core off libressl, the response was "it builds?"
decimation: I note someone put a hefty weight against that gold bet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla bwahaha slander! i'll bet you 1btc straight up they don't do it this month.
mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you don't understand how that world works.
xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core which shows how "well programmed" that piece of .. software? is. http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33221963/
xiando: Perhaps. But I am just this guy, you know, I rarely have anything important to say so it is fine, really. I can just idle and not be important and not write, that is alright.
xiando: So I need a better WOT rating all of a sudden? :-/ oh well, life can't always be easy as pie.
mircea_popescu: to illustrate : suppose i am me, and i happen to believe that all females should spend a decade right after puberty nude at all times. i happen to be rich, and mindful of my beliefs. while i accept that i can't oder people around, i also expect them to respect my disposition of my own property. and so my will reads, that all my stuff is to be inherited by so and so successors, provided at all times all females pubescen
mats: i pity the research assistant
mats: whoops ... wrong one. i'm reading about the Earl of Oxford's case
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2014#751856 << i missed this. is he unreliable? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: sometimes i shudder at the thought at how comparatively harder and humoruless-er my life would have been, had i chanced to live among sane people.
asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i heard of parrots and a fear of bathing and cactus
mircea_popescu: i never heard that report.
asciilifeform: through the sword i listen to wtf he is actually saying.
mircea_popescu: i do understand what he should be saying. but...
mircea_popescu: well yeah, so, i don't understand wtf he's saying either.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt half his closest collaborators grok what he means on the strenght of his text. you yourself, i suspect, followed the logic of the situaiton not the logic of his words.
asciilifeform: mats: gcc... a) i dont get it... << what's the hard concept here? rms wishes to avoid gcc turning into a sweet and defenceless piece of candy for the 'embrace & extend/extinguish' folks. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: side note : i read someone (maybe joel on soft ?) in a wonderful piece "why i never upgrade" and i've never been able to find it again. ne1 know it ?
asciilifeform: i expect to be a minority of one on this, but i'd much rather see it done by one of the folks here, than by a great sage who may or may not have been suborned (or shall be as soon as enemy gets wind of intention)
BingoBoingo: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/9/8/359098_v1.jpg
mats: but yes, i agree with the premise re: gendarmerie