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asciilifeform: hm interesting, i thought mircea_popescu et al were using the stock ada tasks thing
mircea_popescu: this is of general interest as i don't expect eulora to be the last republican item with threads in it.
trinque: right, thought his script bootstrapped with binary gnat or something. perhaps I'm mistaken
trinque: ave1: ever tried building gnat on a cuntoo? I'm unable, fails with http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RzU1U/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you redefine all words to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in the most loving world imaginable. << 2019 is shaping up to be A+++ year for logs
mircea_popescu: in any case, besides this distinction, i don't see any way to meaningfully divide people at the scale here contemplated.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure either ; though by the fruits i judge former.
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure which of the 2 boxes one would put jp in -- they copied eurostan to the point that hirohito wore ~same clothes as mircea_popescu is wearing nao
asciilifeform: could have instead, i suppose, said 'eh, asteroid' and laid down in ditch to die. but they didnt.
mircea_popescu: but, back to the problem, i dunno why i should credit chinese history more than i credit any other imaginary characters history. there's a history of desdemona, you know, as "brought to life" by various gals over the ages and the stages.
asciilifeform: i suspect that if the zulu had lived on, through sheer numeric bulk, and caught up to building own maxim mg, they would also have 'national humiliation day' holiday.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was saying, "invented by british".
mircea_popescu: if you redefine all words to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in the most loving world imaginable. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, i'm just saying the expression is ~constructed~ so as to ~by itself~ provide the universality.
asciilifeform: the chinese, as i understand, would have sided with mircea_popescu : 'eh get out, you can't model this'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno, when old woman breaks hip, was it the 40y of osteoporosis, or the bathtub that broke it ?
mircea_popescu: you specifically abdicate, in the exact sense of http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/
mircea_popescu: cuz what the fuck do you do, when "dude, get the fuck out, i was there, IF IT HAPPENED I WOULD HAVE SEEN IT" doesn't come out ?
mircea_popescu: this was future king going "five twerps in me enturage agreed SO THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO" in court of law.
mircea_popescu: seems to me that if i take a flamethrower to a beehive or if the queen bee just fucking dies one morning you'd have DIFFERENT situations. not even then ?
asciilifeform: 'demographic breakdown' is entirely acceptable 'why'. but i dun see how it contradicts.
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking posit, "oh, they were all people, and here's how peopledom goes, on basis of this example i misrecollect"
mircea_popescu: because i offer a unifying criterion!
mircea_popescu: and i do not believe china meaningfully "cycled" because "oh, look, habsburgs!!!"
mircea_popescu: i do not believe "the grand truths" of european descent have much import outside of a world seen through european eyes
mircea_popescu: i do not believe european man is model for chinese.
mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded "man" as such is the "transnational" universal socialists want it to be.
mircea_popescu: i don't even disagree! everything ever will match this model!
mircea_popescu: "even the study of math, mp, note you i said the study not the object studied, flourishes and dies as described by my model!"
mircea_popescu: that i didn't permit that proposed transitivity, and i explained it in terms of hotpants, doth not mean anything about what we were discussiong.
asciilifeform: possibly i'm thick, but i read 'fails to distinguish' as 'tautological', i.e. you can flip the bits and get equally 'good bedtime' model
mircea_popescu: wtf am i to do ?
mircea_popescu: the discussion went "oh, you're saying it tells you nothing actionable ?" "no, i'm saying it doesn't distinguish anything" "oh, so you're saying it tells you nothing actionable"
asciilifeform: well for instance, i'm getting to hear a 'this model may be good bedtime story, and sorta hangs together, but ultimately tells you nuffin actionable' from the (apparently) last fella who runs freud model
asciilifeform: 'oak lives 200y' 'nonsense, i just cut down 1 after month'
mircea_popescu: in exchange i'll give you this great tool : math is a great model for math. because whenever math works, math works, and also -- when doesn't... doesn't.
mircea_popescu: at which you'll say that "sure, the model of life includes this also" and i'll congratulate you on your great model and move on.
asciilifeform: i can picture mircea_popescu , living in the time of harvey , 'yer model of blood circulation is nonsense, you say erryone has veins, arteries, heart, but for all you know the cynocephali in africa dun have any such thing'
mircea_popescu: objection was that it doesn't distinguish between anything and anything, not moreso than, at the most, between "the set of things about which i could be arsed to think the five minues that;d produce support for it and the set of things i wasn't yet so arsed"
asciilifeform: i.e. you can't use it to aim a cannon, or navigate, etc
asciilifeform: what i thought was mircea_popescu's objection, is 'this model dun ~do~ anyffin useful'
mircea_popescu: you understand this, if i and you are florentines, and you teach me the facts of life, there's a very fundamental difference between "a. get boat ; b. use lodestone, navigate ; c. find curio ; d. bring back home. e. trade for lots of dough and good things, including a desdemona ; f. strangle her for being a whore" whether i say "i don't know this lodestone model be worth my time" or i say "i dunno this strangling be worth my
asciilifeform: the only 1 i had in mind in thrd was 'civilizations build up & then collapse', which is closest thing i know of to 'models of society' with any support whatsoever
mircea_popescu: in short, i don't mean that it dun persuade me "it's the case". it dun persuade me it's worth my time as a model.
mircea_popescu: now, how's "i do not repent me" square with the "i do repent what archeology seems to show"
asciilifeform: i'm suspecting an ~absence~ of a distinction, rather than a distinction. i.e. they eat an' shit just like in europistan, and they also complexity-collapse.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769922 << "You suddenly see that Shakespear, with all his flashes and divinations, never understood virtue and courage, never conceived how any man who was not a fool could, like Bunyan’s hero, look back from the brink of the river of death over the strife and labor of his pilgrimage, and say 'yet I do not repent me'; or, with the panache of a millionaire, bequeath 'my sword to him that sh
mircea_popescu: shall i quote 1880s to you ? here : "The room was a long and lofty one, furnished in the stern uncompromising style of the Mahogany Age, now supplanted by the later fashions of decoration which, in their outset original and artistic, seem fairly on the way to become as meaningless and conventional."
asciilifeform: it can't be handwaved. but funnily enuff, i credit the surviving frags largely on acct of their ~incoherence~ . a good fudge job produces ~coherent~ crapola.
mircea_popescu: (i'm not even proposing it can't be so credited ; i just think the question can't be handwaved.)
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's a lot like drafted actor going, "what, i died three thousand dozen times on broadway stages before tonight". "yes, but you weren't serious about it."
asciilifeform: so not as simple as 'king issues' ( i'm aware that church-besotted europistan tried heroically to maintain the fiction, but was quite porous )
mircea_popescu: who was the me in all the groups of girlies before i showed up ? "a calling metaphysical", who cares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe there's necessarily an answer at all, let alone in o(1).
asciilifeform: incidentally as i recall mircea_popescu dunlike elaborate fictions, and kingship is precisely that ( who was 'king' in 1920s china ? can answer this q in o(1) ? )
mircea_popescu: don't tell me "grew on land king gave you" lest i fall over.
mircea_popescu: "o no mp, that was the knight's own horse, which he... founded it." "i'm sure. cuz lotta loose horses about, on the king's lands."
mircea_popescu: "but i found her before he did, and i told her she's not a whore before she was". "yes, imperfect communication systems in olde sovoke"
asciilifeform: i.e. problem of 'what to do with excess meat' was transformed into 'who gets stuck with the work of occasionally baking new meat' ?
mircea_popescu: anyone who wants to believe is welcome to. i... i have serious problems with works of fiction, as the logs no doubt attest.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where. cuz errywhere i've been, when you want e.g. iron staircase built, what comes is a gang of 20 d00dz with welding torches, and not robot.
asciilifeform: the variant mircea_popescu painted, where 'feed 99%+ of males to pigs at birth, and the rest program robots and fuck harem' requires automation that i suspect aint happenin'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only suppose that this type of org algo stuck around in europistan cuz ultimately was cheaper way to run the agri-gulag than the alt variants
mircea_popescu: i meant, in terms of ~social organisation~.
asciilifeform: fwiw i regularly reread own series.
shinohai: I was somehwere in the "Exiting Egypt" part
shinohai: I was at ch. 9, but decided to go back to start and redo all, can't hurt
mircea_popescu: i dunno how can possibly take us "legal system" in any sort of seriousness.
BingoBoingo: Just now I hit 73.9 kg on the scale
BingoBoingo: the question is how many am I going to lick with salted tongue
BingoBoingo: Back in 2015 all the way to 2017 pantsuit had opportunities to pacify me when I sobered up. They could have probably offered me a smidge more to keep tossing bags of mulch and instead declared themselves broke. I would have also remained ignorant to the better, latin life.
mats: i wonder if lobbes has a portal where i can feed, say, 2k urls for archival? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Honestly at this point I care more about how to get the stoner republic of paraguay to stop dumping phosphorus on my beaches
mats: thats something pocket does ( stripped down http://www.thetower.org/article/how-iraq-became-a-wholly-owned-subsidiary-of-the-islamic-republic-of-iran/ ) , but they implemented oauth at some point and i'm not sure how to consume the output, or if i really wanna do that sans jpgs/pngs etc
mats: only thing left for me to do is export my 'pocket' bookmark collection into text format (kobi has some support for pocket, but its not very good), which i haven't figured out how to do yet
mats: i recently bought a kobo aura h2o (1st ed) eink reader, which is 6.8in, water resistant, reads pdfs and most formats unlike the kindle (which i think requires mobi), and most importantly takes a microsd card. filled it with the books, papers, logs i've carefully saved over last 10y, still have tons of space left on a 64gb card
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This week after holding the Rockchip shelf holding went well, I am offering the Peruana the gift of English. She's ear training now on old looney tunes and winnie the jaundiced pooh
asciilifeform: i did similar thing for engl as a boy, it was terrible prep, had to unlearn later
asciilifeform: i'ma guess series of tapes ?
asciilifeform: hm i recall BingoBoingo mentioned 'pimsleur', what was it
asciilifeform: mats: i'm where can mostly demodulate, but haven't even attempted to modulate.
mats: i can't for the life of me nail down tones, might have to hire a coach to help me with pinyin
BingoBoingo: OH, there's the food! During her "weekend" which as a nurse is the mundane middle of the week I send her with a saddam worth array of chemical weapons and half the pesos I would carry on the same adventure during the actual weekend. Then I eat well.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet , ~erry day at breakfast : 'when can i eat apple that tastes like apple again' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The clothes get washed in buckets, lovingly. I have the whitest socks in the barrio.
BingoBoingo: With powdered determent sold by the kilogram and Latina sleeping here 3 nights a week (not taking her out of secular employment) I have a recipe for next day clean laundry.
BingoBoingo: I acquired it after two months of not needed the local laverdero located on this same block
BingoBoingo: Today I acquired a cultural artifact known locally as a tenedor de ropa.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: even supposing i had a teleporter -- dun seem like BingoBoingostan is in fact the mythical mecca of cheap floor space envisioned to exist somewhere
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suppose if mircea_popescu ever feels like putting his to use for such thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's no way in heaven or hell that i can get these through orc customs; not without uboat
asciilifeform: it's the only reason i dun have e.g. electron microscope, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only reason i did not go with it prior, is that overestimated the expense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've had this notion in the pipeline for ages.
asciilifeform: i suppose will also work a++ for asciilifeform's peine forte et dure!11 ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'i didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks!'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: WHY GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE, i say.
mircea_popescu: speaking of money, spent all day on huge harem shopping trip. i am now in possession of picture including bimbo on 8 inch platforms holding the ~$2.70 receipt for them.
BingoBoingo: If Maduro falls I suspect it will be for a falta of GPGgrams offering to trade rum for hanbot hours of decisionmaking, but the list of countries that do shit still weight heavily towards Maduro.
mircea_popescu: that's what THEY ALL SAY. "i deeply regret nothing else and nothing besides having had the misfortune of being in the white house when our taiwan turned out to be a paper wrap on burning fire and no more -- all the OTHERS had it much better, because then the paper wrap LOOKED solid enough"