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mircea_popescu: http://dl.wavetrex.eu/oldcomp/DSC_8813.JPG << that beta is the iprs baneasa mark.
mircea_popescu: http://dl.wavetrex.eu/oldcomp/DSC_8811.JPG << lotta eg st micro chips used (the board etc are genuinely made in ro, but imported soviet capacitors etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised at what survived untouched in some dusty shithole
asciilifeform: http://www.vaxman.de/projects/Z80_mini/overall.jpg << example minimal z80 made by current-day fanatic
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aa makes sense. i assumed you were speaking of clones -- orig. 16f never made it as far east as my orcistan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ( and lulzily i had the very same serialport programmator described in your link )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaa you meant the ~actual~ taiwanese pic16, not orcistani micros
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: what's actually the usercount ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? jurov ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall exactly what you had ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very tellingly, there were afaik 0 great gamez made for mk-85 , despite the latter featuring a pdp11-compat chipset ( in, forfuckssake, a pocket calc!! runinng on , what, 20 milliamp ) and rom basic
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over at google farms, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f67869ee37da246342e526d2af15174c/tumblr_o0mdo3C0P41rjh49oo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perversely-counterposed, http://pbfcomics.com/comics/small-man/
mircea_popescu: perversely related, https://78.media.tumblr.com/bd08c2d2724efb1ef90526590b3f80ac/tumblr_o87x1p9HKX1v389eso1_1280.png
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, mk61 was a troo breakthrough, a computer (of sorts) that could be actually mass-produced in orcistan. buncha folx did their physics dissertation models on the thing, even
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 19:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on account of 40 yrs of os braindamage, folx often confuse what they want , in that they think they want multithread, but really want nonblockage
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 19:35 mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what, 'greasemonkey' no longer worx on 'modern browser' ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'encrypted drives' in software, is ~homeopathy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mega-surprise ? winblows does same
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 19:45 mircea_popescu: leaving this briefly aside, consider the idiocy of "traditional" linux stack. there's a... wm, running x11 ; and in it you load a ... browser... which does it's own windows management (now called tabs).
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
mircea_popescu: but there;s a difference between graphical = "rounded corners" (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 sense of that term, "One of the motivations for the changes is to enable animations and transitions. If you use gtk_style_context_save/restore in your draw() function, that prevents GTK+ from keeping the state that is needed to support animations; so you should avoid it when you can.") and graphical = "mp would lik ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then we don't.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes inca can't use proper tools.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then, if no builtin browser, why have emacs as wm at all.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not at all.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in ballerinas for old men, https://78.media.tumblr.com/52a0cb16281b4564794608c85a2dced0/tumblr_npk9gyWPeE1taa3g3o1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 18:52 mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don't have separable pairs of eyes"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on account of 40 yrs of os braindamage, folx often confuse what they want , in that they think they want multithread, but really want nonblockage ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: do you mean should the editor perform all kinds of functions in parallel?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same way errybody loses ancient arts. by overwriting the parchments and wax tablets, by neglect, by 'surely won't need this again', lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, hence thread
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, do we currently have folx who irc via emacs ? ( ben_vulpes ? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you dun do it in emacs, tho, afaik ?
phf: mircea_popescu: see if i think that version secretly reveals how how many of the comforts of "modern" emacs we want to sacrifice, and likewise nails down the wants
asciilifeform: phf: this really calls for a ben_vulpes-on-trb-style archaeological dig
phf: mircea_popescu: it's not, but as the mail trinque linked points out "the right solution requires a significant overhaul by someone with expertise in emacs internal"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was an ugly hack around the horrendously slow interpreted elisp
phf: mircea_popescu: the emacs headache on musl that asciilifeform mentioned
asciilifeform: slightly upstack -- even if mircea_popescu were to proclaim 'we gotta have climacs', ~100% of the work will be done ~in~... emacs
asciilifeform: ( last we heard, gabriel_laddel was still out there in the desert somewhere, trying to fix climacs )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ain't intractable, and ranks substantially below, resource-wise, e.g. replacement of gcc
phf: mircea_popescu: i get it, i'm being sloppy because i want it to be obvious that the box is indeed pandora's box
trinque: this is I'm sure why gabriel_laddel got some attention for a wbit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was always the Right Thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: answ is, it's about on par with quickbasic in re syntax, memory utilization, stability.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is the q 'why not write major proggies in elisp ' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: slime is an emacs 'mode' for working with commonlisp.
trinque: mircea_popescu: depends on whether c-o to switch windows is cosmic truth or finger length / hand shape
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: climacs was above a momentary wad of spit, a quite substantial amount of work was sunk into it. but it did not add up to something that can be used.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a stillborn thing, afaik.
trinque: mircea_popescu: because I don't want to discuss with anyone how my own private desk is arranged
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was the philosophy that produced 'climacs', an ab initio rewrite. which afaik ~nobody uses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: emacs is a 'modal' system, i.e. every programming language gets a mode, implemented as a set of elisp proggies, that completely changes the behaviour of the editor to (ideally) make it entirely suited to writing that particular form of text
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 19:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the machine itself, hardware-wise, is incapable of multiuser. it leaks its memory via cache timings on 3 or 4 different layers ; it lacks its state via nic delays, it leaks like a sieve.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's part of my rant "why emacs is evil"
phf: mircea_popescu: scripting in emacs is to great extent about customizing the ux behavior of the system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my current understanding , is that each emacs user alive , at some time in his life, took the thing and whittled away the spikes that his particular hands fell on most often.
phf: mircea_popescu: my short log metaphor example would've been the key bindings. there are conventions, they are not always followed, and often they have to be recustomized on a per-mode basis, or else you just memorize the abysmal defaults and stick to them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: largely because idiots. however there's a number of structural problems (e.g inability to handle word wrap in anything like a reasonable way) that attract ~infinite kludge-hours from all sorts of folx
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the best object of comparison is imho trb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elisp is a gnarly surviver of dark age 1970s lisps, suffers -- unfixably -- from problems long ago solved even in 'scheme' (e.g. 'funarg problem')
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm thinking, i'm not opposed to the idea, but i was also the person saying in logs that emacs is harmful and should be abandoned altogether. i can bring together whatever's asciilifeform and trinque are using for their workshops, and adopt it for myself also..
trinque: mircea_popescu: I do indeed
hanbot: mircea_popescu highlight is specifically for visibility in a swamp neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's all yours, knock out the hanging stool whenever you feel like
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:02 mircea_popescu: well... how would you feel about forking emacs, phf ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in bouncy giggle, https://78.media.tumblr.com/c47a357995357639904e44a60eccbeaa/tumblr_oau2nznLUW1tvy3cwo6_540.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's not merely dead, but fossilized many yrs ago, all of the living users begin installation by scraping off more or less errything added since 2000 or so
phf: mircea_popescu: not only is it their order, there's barely anything else mentioned in there https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/index.html#Releases
douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then? ☟︎
asciilifeform: douchebag: fwiw i dun get paid in anyffing edible, i work with mircea_popescu out of principle. ditto, for the most part, the other folx here.
asciilifeform: douchebag: you walked in, seemed to mircea_popescu to be a promising student, then asked to demonstrate some ability to do somrthing useful, and then elaborately wasted various folxs' time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy it
a111: Logged on 2018-06-17 16:32 mircea_popescu: !!rate douchebag -1 as it turns out, the more elaborate effort one puts into distinguishing gold from sand, the more elaborately sandy sand the one ends up with. gold is irrespectively evident on the first pass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they had an ok time for a spell, with unofficial cartel ( jd from nomenklatura schools, e.g. harvard, were auto-employed ) but as i understand this train has left
asciilifeform: douchebag: better be quick about it, i expect mircea_popescu will pull the lever when he comes back from tea-and-chix or wherever
douchebag: In regards to hanbot and mircea_popescu negrating me, I did read the logs and wanted clarification about the discussions that took place which lead to mircea_popescu negrating me.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves as impopular as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time.
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.40847278 << "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12" ☟︎
jurov: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.40847278 "wire to the Pizarro DC sent 2018-06-12"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 18:38 mircea_popescu: and in today's dollop of hysterical lulz : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin manages to go through 10k words without even mentioning the nevzorov sisters, coincidentally the reason the fuckbuddy of some old imperial chick even got to be stalin's successor.
asciilifeform: what part of mussolini puzzles mircea_popescu tho? is it the part where he picked the unwashed lusers over sicilians ? as i understand, he couldn't have 'picked' the sicilians, given as he wasn't anyone in their wot. he was of, and for, the unwashed.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 16:19 mircea_popescu: here's a riddle for the student of history :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the root lul, of course, 'pass, the Simple Password Store, is a shell script to use GnuPG for password management. Each password is stored in a separate file, encrypted with one or multiple GnuPG encryption keys.' << didja know this were 'needed'.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other phase transitions, https://78.media.tumblr.com/03d101f19282a42a664c501b322c7ef7/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o1_1280.jpg > https://78.media.tumblr.com/e4390de82af217703afc9b4d2cfd5a4f/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o3_1280.jpg > https://78.media.tumblr.com/6575219925d01f7d4db8c9ac788a39f1/tumblr_nmugj04jRq1sh0xa6o5_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in general, https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f50e762271b341d229ffdc73da92b3f/tumblr_nkraycJZrv1sr7d1mo1_1280.png
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in backwardsness, https://78.media.tumblr.com/904fea7bd3f9c73649a3d039d2854d27/tumblr_orbs61EySk1w49qypo1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:50 mircea_popescu: midway in the page, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mJkxI/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826542 << not down here. an' it kinda shows.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826539 << this solution, ftr, was invented in ww2. easier for usarmy baggage train to handle hfcs than coffee.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in serious perversion, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9dca6273278f7f51d62618f625a9fbc2/tumblr_n2jcfqS3Zq1roolpmo1_1280.jpg (you get the little slavegirl toys adequate, rite)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho you didnt miss much
a111: Logged on 2018-06-17 18:54 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I just got back, what was the exact reason I was negrated?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ruism
phf: ben_vulpes: i couldn't remember the correct en word and punted
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'exam takers'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: right, but i observed same shitcoffee even in 'independent' shops where e.g. bean fryer machine is clearly visible
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: of course
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 17:02 mircea_popescu: looks more like "we too want to eat cake, but not using mouth." even if they manage to shove some cream up butthole, it still won't taste that good.