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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he lives there orig, seemed ready to be introduced to other folx, as adaist. i expect will mostly lurk for the foreseeable fyootur.
verisimilitude: I'm not certain just reading loper-os.org over a few years counts as lurking, but alright.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d lurked for yrs, i dun think he will suffer from waiting a min.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was massaging a n00b, tends to take space.
verisimilitude: That's reasonable; I've done that much.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 1st step is to actually impose on yerself the constraint, 'what i am writing ~is to fit in my head~. then can proceed to help other folx fit into ~theirs~.
verisimilitude: Sure; my system I have in mind to make as perfect as I can certainly fits in a normal-sized head, or should.
verisimilitude: I've long thought it's reasonable to exert great effort to make a system perfect, where possible; it's the ideal, but maybe not practical. Perhaps the more interesting question is when to stop when you exert so much effort, but have something that can never be made perfect, by design.
verisimilitude: I'll give credit to st, which is a decent terminal emulator, but I'm not impressed with Suckless in general. They're recently combating a bug with some X font nonsense caused by stupid Unicode glyphs; their solution is to stop using the X font nonsense entirely, which will apparently cause its own issues.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there are other 'old unix' cargo cults in the historic record, also; all are quite similar to cat-v , near as i can tell.
verisimilitude: Let's seque to a related topic: What do you think of the Suckless crowd, asciilifeform? I read their mailing list and it's interesting to see how everything UNIX already provides is good and natural and how anything that violates the sacred tenants whatsoever is evil and bloat. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it was 'forgotten' for what, near as i can tell, consists ~100% of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-307.0-313.492 reason.
verisimilitude: I've had or seen a number of discussions concerning such high-level machines with C programmers and whatnot. It's comedic. A C programmer will be the first to prove how type-checking in hardware and other things most assuredly result in some minute loss of efficiency or power or this or that and so is bad, but then turn around and discuss how brilliant the zero-terminated string is and how it's not that inefficient.
verisimilitude: Unfortunately for me, I don't own a Lisp Machine.
verisimilitude: Sure; even though it's only a thought I've made little progress towards at the moment, care for a light description of how I'd do it for a Common Lisp?
verisimilitude: I've not.
verisimilitude: That's exactly the approach I've been wanting to bring about, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: i'd still like to ~categorically~ abolish thompsonism at some pt tho.
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i routinely disasm what my gnat shits forth, and haven't yet found any 'surprises', so if ye olde gnat is indeed thompsonistic, it is quite subtle , rather than hammer-in-yer-face 'here's a MB of ??? that phones home to mars'
asciilifeform: trinque: possibly at some pt i'ma start to pillage the bolix adatron, for this .
asciilifeform: the ultimate win would be to get something other than gnat ( say, an adatron implemented in cl... ) that can build something resembling a working gnat. but sadly i suspect this is yrs away. ☟︎
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, I eagerly await it
verisimilitude: I'll be using Ada to build the practical, robust, simpler, and easy-to-distribute implementation of my machine code development tool, perhaps ironically enough.
verisimilitude: It's that tool I showed you earlier, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: When I did look into building GNAT from source, I was told in the documentation I'd already need a working GNAT; does ave1's avoid this? Then again, I suppose I could just use the GNAT I alread have on this other machine for that, if it became too inconvenient to use both.
asciilifeform: i intend to port ffa to msdos, for instance, and don't expect that gnat will be building it ~on~ dos box.
verisimilitude: I'm currently using GuixSD and GNAT isn't available at all, is what I mean.
verisimilitude: I'll get to have extra fun, because the system with my editor is different from the system with the GNAT.
verisimilitude: The Ada program I have planned is in a similar way unconcerned with some of the more advanced features, because much of it is very concrete by now; it shouldn't even need to allocate memory until I have an undo and redo system in it.
verisimilitude: Alright; I'll keep that in mind when I am finally able to study your FFA.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: for instance, i do not use the secondary stack, or any mechanisms which demand it; or any form of heaps ; or classes; etc
asciilifeform: i explored various alts (e.g. standard-ml sans gc) but found that if the lang produces a binary that cannot be cleanly disasmed and shown to functionally correspond with the source , also cannot in good conscience use such a thing.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in 2016 i found that i gotta write a safety-critical arithmetic system (nao known as ffa) and found that i cannot in good conscience do it in anyffin but ada.
verisimilitude: It's a nice language, so far, but I've yet to even finish learning all of it.
verisimilitude: There's the saying one shouldn't learn a language that doesn't change the way one thinks; I figured if I would learn at least one language with keyword-based syntax, strong static typing, a lack of advanced metaprogramming, among other qualities, that I should learn Ada.
verisimilitude: I'll do so, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: Common Lisp is nice, but I want to handle memory exhaustion well and also avoid using megabytes for programs that shouldn't need that much.
verisimilitude: I like the idea of writing software that handles all failure modes correctly, as awful as modern systems make doing so.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: incidentally diana_coman ( http://ossasepia.com/ ) has quite large set of published ada ( & articles re same ), i highly recommend to read.
verisimilitude: I'll keep that in mind.
verisimilitude: Alright, I got that working now.
verisimilitude: I was told by deedbot I couldn't $up myself.
verisimilitude: Alright; my key is registered. I suppose I'll just !!up myself next time, then.
verisimilitude: I appreciate it.
diana_coman: trinque, I'll add it to the list; what should I pack and send exactly, once it's done?
a111: Logged on 2014-10-10 00:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.)
asciilifeform: i thought that's what haemostat is for!111
asciilifeform: i suspect errybody else also has 'that 1 use..'
mircea_popescu: "i can't do any ffa work because i'm working on a manner in which to do it that wouldn't produce the idle inquiry of loc 6 months in"
asciilifeform: i even own a vise-grip.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also drink spirits, note.
mircea_popescu: except i don't drink beer, but drink spirits. not whiskey, nor any other stoolbrandy, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: i dunno whether organism ever fully recovers from perl. but been 'dry' for decade nao...
mircea_popescu: spyked http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << turns out i already had. ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892309 <-- funfact: /me reads plenty of asm on his saecular assignments, mostly to maintain & debug shit software stacks that crash in weird ways. haven't written any asm in a while tho, and dos asm especially has been a challenge last time I looked at it ☝︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892345 <-- neato! I'll give this a reread myself ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892289 <-- post updated with some more context re. lisp blogotron http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-177.0-179.1 the scope might still prolly not be 100% clear, it seems to require a separate post ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892244 << manual how ? i have a script somewhere doing it for trilema, want me to dig it out ?
asciilifeform: i dun presume that errybody oughta burn cycles to post erry possible oldies. but mircea_popescu's i simply happen to like.
mircea_popescu: well, let's put it this way : no later than at the chestnut tree cafe i shall.
asciilifeform: i'ma eat these if/when mircea_popescu bothers to dig'em up.
mircea_popescu: and so on. wtf, i can't dedicate my life to documenting my past life because then who's gonna produce the future.
mircea_popescu: and then when he gets to romanian he's gonna want fain backups, and conceivably, wtf was http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dtng%22 and also, that one time when i sat down to read my collection of pif, what was in those large year-bound things, and could i perhaps dig up the "casino" roulette thing i made by hand to get all the other kids's turbo chewing gum "surprise" dollars, dms an' turk lyrasi
asciilifeform: i'ma deliberately not eat moar until i catch up with chores this wk, but otherwise yes
mircea_popescu: and then if i were to leak eg http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Se2eN/?raw=true ie, historical forum bits of travels ~as thery happened~ alf's gonna also want that and so on.
asciilifeform: i found a handful of random.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu had these ultra-compact pieces that i suspect would penetrate the biofilm of all sortsa thick heathens today, if they were still on the main pg
mircea_popescu: i must say, it's pretty weird to read 13year old stuff and not find something to object to.
asciilifeform: they oughta try mars, i hear pretty stable.
asciilifeform: i managed to fit it into timeslot of a meat chore, ftr!111
mircea_popescu: i guess ima put this in the report, "lost cto to binge reading ancient html site" ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not noose, but i simply like the flavour. just read 'guide to psychopathic rape', for instance, a+++
asciilifeform was aboutta say 'hah, i threw out my last i686' but turns out nope, here's 1 runnin' still
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:24 diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
asciilifeform: i like the formatting also.
asciilifeform: i dun imagine the colibri & ocelots changed much since then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it grew to at some point include a forum also, and i put a buncha cr pics from first trip there, which was teh ~only reason i considered over the years digging up archives, but was too lazy.
hanbot: spyked: (snip) <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org << oh sweet, i'ma happily wade knee-deep in these again awhile.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr i quite like the ancient pre-trilema, if you still have whole thing somewhere would be pretty great to read it off proper www, rather than usg's archive
mircea_popescu: no no not what i meant
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 16:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892248 << 1st i hear of the name, seems to be at least coupla diff people. tho dug up a https://archive.is/WnZJY , which reads almost trilema-like...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently i looked for '90' prior, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606671 , never found. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:56 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
asciilifeform: i'ma de-pdfize the 1 and only piece of archaeology known to have been written on subj , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265693 , brb ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:51 asciilifeform: i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm)
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall seeing one somewhere with a '-90', but possibly memory fails me or i dreamed it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ver of derive.exe that i have, has the runtime from -87 baked in
asciilifeform: i haven't yet encountered a version with 'derive' in the rom out of the box, but entirely possib that they sold one
asciilifeform: i have 1
a111: Logged on 2015-09-13 08:26 BingoBoingo: Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined
asciilifeform: i dunno re palm, but there was (and remains sold!) a 68k thing that runs on the ti calculator
mircea_popescu: i thought it was 86.
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/DERIVE.EXE , http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/mulisp.com << the latter is 'mulisp-87', there is also a '-90' that i was never able to track down.
asciilifeform: hmm do i not have it mirrored ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it was, but the only fucking time i threatened a wanna-be teacher with shooting in my life. dork was derealized enough to think i was kidding.
mircea_popescu: besides, derive was half-parens by weight, or more, and i liked derive fine.
mircea_popescu: the annoying part is, i hated it so much i don't even have any distinct memory sufficient to identify wtf it even was.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why specifically it was called lisp, but it was stupid and verbose and i fucking hated it.
mircea_popescu: you will be nonplussed to hear that my only mental model for php is this "lisp" thing they had for "especially bright kids to learn how to computer" bla bla back when i was a teen.