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mircea_popescu: diana_coman, hanbot, trinque, bingoboingo, mod6, danielpbarron, mike_c, asciilifeform, davout, ben_vulpes, phf, lobbes, mike_c, jurov, peterl, pete_dushenski ^
mircea_popescu: this is actually going to be teh magic number of the republic. so at this juncture i would like to ask everyone to compute "the largest primorial (ie, product of all successive primes) that fits in 515 bits", sign it and put it into deedbot. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 2) replace variable iteration params with fixed, conditional terminations with same
asciilifeform: 1) replace termination condition with a mux that starts discarding new results of iteration in favour of old, at iteration T and after
asciilifeform: the basic, naive method for magicking a conventional algo into a constanttime algo, is to
asciilifeform still devising a constant time gcd
mircea_popescu: ah, the primorial being 4kb
asciilifeform: idea is, for pre-millerrabin litmus, take gcd(candidate, Qw) where Qw is largest primorial that fits in the ffawidth ☟︎
asciilifeform: you wouldn't want a mb of anything in ffa tho
mircea_popescu: a yes. a mb or so's worth is good to have. afaik all rsa impls have some small primes. heck, peterl's gossiptron had a list.
asciilifeform: ah hm will have to see re largest prime
asciilifeform: it's a prelude for avoiding expensive miller-rabin when the latter is doomed to fail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean the disk size of the 8ball, i mean the size of the largest prime in it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe the spawner is the same mother-of-idiocy, always pregnant, always knees spread, that spawned everythiong they do, from "voting" to "gpg"
asciilifeform: it's largely useless tho
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:16 asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697564 << speaking of this, how large is phuctor 8ball ? ie largest prime ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's funny how all the things are the same thing and everything wraps into ideological identity. empire needs... a lot of really dumb ones, as a COLLECTIVE. we... make every one stand on its own INDIVIDUALLY. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the important bit : if fails, make a ~new~ one, rather than n+1
mircea_popescu: it is also a very typical difference, symbolic enough to go on our fucking flag. "the empire makes a test and then goes through parts until it finds one that goes through ; the republic makes a part and tests it until it is certain to be correct."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:14 asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin )
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, in their own fucking idiota i mean "idioma", it goes like so : "con fuerza y corage dicimos adios". this. this is 100% argentina, brave, brave, brave sir robert turned about and galantly he chickened out... brave brave brave recursos humanos...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697559 << the MOST hilarious thing in there is that the fucktard thinking himself an airplane pilot asks "me copia base". you understandf this ? subhuman orc language DOES NOT HAVE WORD. thinks it's ok, just as good as anything. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697556 << the funny thing is that there's not enough of them by now. same exact thing happened to the german communists in the 30s. "folks this is the end", ie, "we used to think we're right because we're many, and now we're not many, and that's all we had." ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's your racist victim that stood in the way of black code matters and progress and spice and everything nice.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 16:45 shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697566 << don't you just love it how the implication is that your item they broke was "somehow" at fault ? it's not "we pushed a buggy piece of shit into your item and thereby broke it". not ever. ☝︎
shinohai: Theonly 2 fixes proffered require AT LEAST one week to implement
shinohai: http://archive.is/Uffst <<< lulzy ... "After a software update was sent to your lock, it failed to reconnect to our web service making a remote fix impossible" ☟︎
asciilifeform: as usual asciilifeform has deeply nfi why NONE of the published rsatrons, to date, do this.
asciilifeform: ( then, elementarily, you gcd against '8ball', primorial of $largeint ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the other thing, you don't need ANY trial-divisions in the prelude to miller-rabin, IF you have a constant-time gcd
asciilifeform: ( tldr : superiority of the FUCKGOATS-enabled approach, of get-new-N-bits-from-rng-then-primalitytest-until-done, vs the kochian get-N-bits-then-increment-until-passes-millerrabin ) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in other olds , https://www.iacr.org/archive/ches2009/57470141/57470141.pdf << traditional rsa prime generation is quite 'loud'. this is not a seekrit. subj demonstrates algo for actually recovering the prime.
trinque: cute backyard tiki torches. I wonder if they got the citronella ones, useful for keeping skeeters away from your /pol/ flash mob.
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense. can't stop the bits from leaking; can however simply let the owner of an account know every time something happens, so he can yell at me before I do the next batch of withdrawals if he didn't do it.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB54B7022BA30DFD198B846506BFA051F02DCF89003A0C9917EF6AD8E2CD9DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1790...2957 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-14-54.ghst.net. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBB54B7022BA30DFD198B846506BFA051F02DCF89003A0C9917EF6AD8E2CD9DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1516...4019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.14.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.14.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-14-54.ghst.net. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06DF269F44B2F8C4AAEDA67C6A687B89D89B4535D07913078504B89CABF0FE6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1624...1809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.188.248.230 (ssh-rsa key from 178.188.248.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06DF269F44B2F8C4AAEDA67C6A687B89D89B4535D07913078504B89CABF0FE6A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1348...7817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.188.248.230 (ssh-rsa key from 178.188.248.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AT)
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.
mircea_popescu: accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad.
mircea_popescu: the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc.
mircea_popescu: funny thing that it ate it anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: how the fuck did a B get in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: They set themselves up the segwit bomb. Now it's 2x that Sillybert wants to shill.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
mircea_popescu: "oh, bitcoin doubled once mp defeated our dumb shit ? THIS ONLY GOES TO PROVE OUR DUMB SHIT IS INDEFEATABLE!!11"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
asciilifeform: ( it's in the gcc lang set, right next to f77 )
mike_c: I've got reading to do.
mike_c: so.. first a compiler for this subset?
asciilifeform: and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system
mike_c: what's the intended purpose for the bitcoin pieces? you going to port the client to ada?
asciilifeform: also interesting to mike_c will be the 'trbi' threads..
asciilifeform: mike_c: i also have adatronic bitcoin formats ( block, tx, message, indices ) encoder/decoder; and mmaptronic db . but this is not yet primetime product
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:11 asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685034 moar thread ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
asciilifeform: mod6: though there is the factorial demo
asciilifeform: mike_c: currently we have ~90% of a nonbranching ( no timing leak ) , provably correct arithmetron
asciilifeform: i've been pushing folx to return to a 'dijkstaraist' concept of program, as something primarily to be ~read~, and only secondarily as something to execute on comp
mike_c: that's good to hear
asciilifeform: so in the end it will not be strictly necessary to eat every gram of log that added up to it, to properly grasp
asciilifeform: the saving grace is that almost whole point of p is for it to be readable/self-contained
mike_c: oh, it's called "p"? that will make log-scouring so easy!
asciilifeform: 'p' is very different flavour from the old heathenry , however. think 'forth with bignums' approx.
mike_c: yeah, mp mentioned that. I'm going to scour some logs for more info on it.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
asciilifeform: back to the living!
mike_c: ok, I'll take a crack at it.
mod6: feel free to ask any questions.
mod6: <+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need.
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << "On the morning of the event Charlotte police" << s/Charlotte/Charlottesville
mike_c: mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ?
mike_c: yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff.
mod6: there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile.
mircea_popescu: entropy only half the issue there.
mike_c: I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust.
mod6: all my test results and stuff are posted
mod6: mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me.
mircea_popescu: now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree...
mircea_popescu: mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you'll have fun reading those then :p
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mike_c: ah, as theory, yes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i suspect that's log-only to date.
mod6: It's an ongoing project. The tickets are above, kinda outlines the idea ^
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty sure he recalls that as theory.
mircea_popescu: and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
mike_c: ok, yeah, I read that one.
mircea_popescu: wanna race peterl to building a reverser ?