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a111: Logged on 2015-02-26 19:35 punkman: asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu already teaches meat kindergarten, i dun expect he'd want moar for anyffin
mircea_popescu: allegedly i gall easily.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892758 << i specifically ~don't~ read them, among other real or imagined reasons specifically so i don't end up galled by some random infantilism and then carry it about. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 20:00 mircea_popescu: i guess ima put this in the report, "lost cto to binge reading ancient html site"
asciilifeform: lol i've been trying ~not~ to collect moar http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892390 fodder, will have to shelve for laters. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, i can show you : http://trilema.com/2009/castiga-1000-ron-de-craciun/#comment-11652 ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun actually know the orig story of diana_coman
asciilifeform: i do wonder what diana_coman was like as a noob tho
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
asciilifeform: i.e. 'adult' prog lang, with functions, variables, loops (with capped # of max ticks) etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma get to it at some pt. currently hands full with 1) ffa 16b & 17 2) looking into to whom we gotta http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892227 3) speccing components for 2nd rk plant ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect it would do you well to carve out some time this week or next to take in the tract on America. The off season devolution models this very much and can't fairly be summarized.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that was, very livresque reference to elliott, the whole foot thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
mircea_popescu: i beg your pardon, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623 ☝︎
asciilifeform: what i never had ~any~ grasp on is the folx without ~any~ compass.
mircea_popescu: i believe this may well be true.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also tru. i have nfi for instance re whether e.g. Framedragger , halted << iirc hooked on socialism?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read through his www, when he reappeared, and assumed that showed up on acct of having eaten log and having clue.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:34 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reviewing history, there's a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1853976 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854006 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854010 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854019 and so following. now, as a factual matter, the dood DID NOT give a shit, september to february. may i ask for my own curiosity what informs the "teachable" part in "teachable noob" ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
phf: it feels more sophisticated with an "i" in there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, i actually thought it was avoidable somehow
lobbes_field: Fwiw when I first started reading logs/trilema in 2014, I alternated between lost/confused/disturbed/intrigued. Then I stopped reading entirely for almost 6 months. Then finally it "hit me like a shit ton of bricks (tm)" and I realized I -had- to start doing (i.e. there was no choice if I wanted to actually make a mark on the world)
mircea_popescu: but still, by the time the one important thing, important to the exclusion of all others, was NEVER mentioned... something's wrong. i mean, just like http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/ except in the flavbour of... the republic without republic ? what possible sense does this make ?
mircea_popescu: i happen to prefer excluding hard and early, but it's entirely my business, not some kind of universal model.
mircea_popescu: i am not saying here you must always lead with the http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/#selection-145.1-145.46 (tm) or the equally celebrated http://trilema.com/2018/heres-something-you-dont-see-nearly-often-enough/#selection-25.0-25.85 (tm).
asciilifeform: also tru. i have nfi for instance re whether e.g. Framedragger , halted
asciilifeform: i'ma stick to 2 unless somebody suggests a viable 3.
mircea_popescu: i believe.
lobbes_field: Anyways,  I generally agree that there exists the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-22#1804603 problem (though, I'd argue the experience is not exclusive to pantsuit, but for anyone brought up in the usual 'amatuer' environment of usgistan) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: lobbes_field i'll defo read!
lobbes_field: asciilifeform I did rate, but away from any keys atm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't think poor success rates with clinically relevant levels of self absorbed morons is necessarily something you'd be too worried about.
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892833 << fwiw I've been (slowly) baking a "Why TMSR?" (In style of Mocky's 'why ada?') post that is to be aimed at a heathen audience. ☝︎
asciilifeform: btw at one pt i tried to read the pile of strange gabriel_laddel left in his smoking crater. was not able to make sense.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, on the other lobe, if it does make a difference i will declare that i'm absolutely not wilfully persecuting alf descendants.
asciilifeform: i suppose they left dissectable corpses
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the problem with this. though i must confess midly curious as to why it manages to occupy your time.
mircea_popescu: so, ultimately, the logic here goes thusly : 1) of all the parts of living animal, i choose spleen to be defined as "only relevant part", arbitrarily. because i really like spleens and i don't really understand anything besides them nor do i wish to or see why i should have to ;
asciilifeform: 'control outcomes' is red herring, i dun even know how to 'control outcome' of potted tomato plant.
asciilifeform: i dunthink i've the req'd yoga level of yet to make sense of this.
mircea_popescu: education is this process whereby people are sharpened, not changed. if girl has it in her to outwrite your ffa, she conceivably will, and if not, she will not. why's this something i'm to fret about ?
asciilifeform: also if mircea_popescu says harem consists of sales genius , i'ma believe; but i haven't any direct evidence of subj.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: i still don't think so.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
asciilifeform: and yes if/when nicoleci or new one etc sends in an optimization for ffa arithm, i'ma take it back.
mircea_popescu: educable as in positive delta over time, not educable as in, reaches ishtar gate before i get bored waiting.
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for that of other folx.
asciilifeform: narrow sense of educable-as-in-ave1 , i.e. capable of contributing to asciilifeform's load of heavy-lifting in particular.
asciilifeform: i aint about to try an' tell mircea_popescu how to use his trained meats. but will remain skeptical that any trainable in the sense asciilifeform contemplates, until see with own eyes, is all.
asciilifeform: we already iirc did the a:'so how many solved the ffa puzzlers' m : 'i wouldn't waste a precious trained gurl on such dirty works' thrd, dun have to replay.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is true.
asciilifeform: i still dun see an obv 'entry point' for noob in log tho. 'no royal road.'
mircea_popescu: eventually you have to compare the marginal gain from "1 of maybe coupla thou noobs with working hands alive" with the marginal cost from "if i read one more redditline in the tmsr log ima tune it out".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892739 << this is no small matter ; i ~expect~ a number of my own slaves to read each and every fucking line of this here log. it "takes nothing" to read a line until you start multiplying the lines and the readers. but what choice do they have, right, they're my slaves, if i order them that's an end to the matter. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for lack of a better entry point i'll stick with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892214 ; unless someone wants to write a purpose-cut item ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ , since marked obsolete. i suspect state of the art is still 'read log for year and come back if grasped'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually i give'em a link to the log, where can read this & other likbez at leisure.
mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892747 << this is a proper question, if not one easy to answer. i believe spyked is correct in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-55.152-55.393 ; i will not go as far as to say "noob must only be invited at senate once he, like bunyan's hero, understands this is literally the only that does or could matter". nevertheless, it is evidently premature to invite any ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma bring larvae in strictly once they pupate, as discussed earlier with diana_coman .
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 04:52 mircea_popescu: next shit out of your dumb mouth fails to string match apologizing for being quite so fucking stupid, i'ma fix the negligence whereby you can still speak here.
mircea_popescu: now you tell me how you distinguish between case http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 and case ~everything this dood spewed. there's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876356 on the record, and i wasn't kidding then, either. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, not "an irc channel" or whatever other http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869074 -bred nonsense / "consumers have come to expect", and i don't give shit one whether the yokels think they have or think they haven't one in "their" town. ☝︎
deedbot: lobbes rated lobbes_field 1 << my handle for when I'm in the $saltmines
asciilifeform: ( typically this is where an arithmetic has been proven not to overflow, the overflow is connected to a Word of 'NoCarry' type, i.e. whose range is 0 .. 0 . )
asciilifeform: i.e. they're the 'suspenders' in a 'belt and suspenders' tandem.
asciilifeform: re preconditions : theoretically they allow for certain optimizations ( mythical 'sufficiently smart compiler' could infer that various range checks cannot be violated if precondition holds ) but afaik our gnat doesn't do this, and i'm not certain that i'd like it if it did
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i orig had mine set to '05 also.
diana_coman: well, I really started with 2005 but then I had to upgrade, hence my "I need". It's not blindly,no.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked. ☟︎
diana_coman: yes, I need Ada 2012
asciilifeform: this can be worked around, but would add gnarl, and i won't touch it unless someone gives a compelling argument re why oughta build on a -83.
asciilifeform: re ada2012, that was actually a good q, and i'll answer it for the log : ffa in fact uses preconditions, a 2012 knob.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: posssibly i oughtn't to graduate'em till they solve all the ffa homeworks.
asciilifeform: i dun have a dispute re the principle, it's The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: eh if mircea_popescu says 'you aint ready to graduate kindergarten' i aint about to dispute an' 'no, let's graduate'im to 1st grade'. was curious re the logic, is all.
diana_coman: and at any rate if it needs stating: I'm talking for myself here, not for mircea_popescu
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mno; quite sure we already had this thread already though so I'll let it rest
diana_coman: not suggesting there might not be other cases or anything but so far that's what I see
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:40 verisimilitude: Let's seque to a related topic: What do you think of the Suckless crowd, asciilifeform? I read their mailing list and it's interesting to see how everything UNIX already provides is good and natural and how anything that violates the sacred tenants whatsoever is evil and bloat.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for my curiosity: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892640 -> how is this ANY different from all the other "hey guise, I'ma signal nao" ; by now the "what do you think of X" is almost a signal in itself ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma wait till mircea_popescu speaks for himself and clarifies, but that seems to be his position
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. we have all the hands we'll ever want ?
asciilifeform: i dun recall having myself walked in with a mega-contribution on day1 either
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it? ☟︎
asciilifeform: maybe coupla thou noobs with working hands alive; i catch 1 in the wild, and mircea_popescu uses for target practice, i dunget.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta admit i'm baffled, d00d asked re whether i used ada2012, that's breach of etiquette ?
verisimilitude: I'm looking through more of these Ada links you provided earlier, asciilifeform; do you not use Ada 2012?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent him to reg w/ deedbot an' try voicing, deliberately, d00d spoke at my explicit invitation.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 03:49 mats: i wonder if lobbes has a portal where i can feed, say, 2k urls for archival?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891494 << as of now, no. I would like to see this built, but I have other items to get to first (http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/) ☝︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892264 << looks like spyked is going to take care of it (though, I dun mind rsyncing it as well) >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-201.0-213.84 ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i guess.