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asciilifeform: this btw is also a major feature of mircea_popescu's (non-lighthousetronic) algo, and imho important
sina: anyway, I guess this is a seperate question for smarter people, I will just stick to trying to update my thingo to match mircea_popescu description above
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, some yrs before being introduced to mircea_popescu, wrote an (unpublished) algo, 'kapelle', that resembled mircea_popescu's gossipd. hence 'strong feelingz'
sina: mircea_popescu: ok that makes sense, you should consider updating the blogpost :P
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well you did say "whenever operator feels like it, keys get nuked." (i guess that's not the same, tho)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: gotta distinguish mircea_popescu's algo from the MB or so of asciilifeform's commentz re same
sina: mircea_popescu: I assume A generated that reference, and it is storing it until B has responded?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: recall, mircea_popescu and asciilifeform never came to a 'hey we have this 1 algo', so all q re 'gossipd' presume, imho, mircea_popescu's algo, which was actually called so
sina: mircea_popescu: while I appreciate the validty of issues about sessions, challenge/response dictates there must be something akin to a session, even if that isn't the most precisely fitting term
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah lighthouse discussion does complicate matters, the fact of the matter is, it's the only current (written) alternative to DoS-prone traditional challenge-response (A asks B to plz send challenge, A then response to B with that challenge), within gossipd universe
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: right
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i fucking can't reckon right now why output of lighthouse has to be unpredictable. damn it :D *if* all packets are signed with peer keys that receiving peer already has, timestamp with defined validity window would avoid replay... (http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119045)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu had concerns re. "signed", but iirc the concept of "station key" (vs. "mega important owner key") helped there. not sure if entirely resolved, tho
sina: I guess I'll wait for some clarification from mircea_popescu ? challenge/response is a session based concept even ignoring the older post
asciilifeform: ( this is not in mircea_popescu's article but is imho elementary. )
asciilifeform: 1) original mircea_popescu's algo: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc 2) the newer: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document
asciilifeform: sina: if you're asking re mircea_popescu's algo -- then yes
Framedragger recalls mircea_popescu's archaic use of "for" in context of gossipd
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in mircea_popescu's gossipd algo, there are 2 types of messages, ordinary and private. the latter behave as described above
sina: mircea_popescu: patience appreciated while I attempt to rephrase question.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 13:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675077 << there's no intention that there would be plaintext anything, wtf.
asciilifeform: there of course is the -- quite valid -- mircea_popescu school of thought, 'furniture oughta be standard and expendable'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the paper specs it seems to be a steal for the price. possibly the problem mircea_popescu mentioned ('lemons') is the tru reason.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought that was more of a PCP thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have difficulty picturing the protagonists of $redditardmarket using 'at party'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams << Typical cocaine use is gram after gram after gram after gram, I imagine mp or Tiger Woods level is sugar bowl or candy dish set out in advance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches. << 3000, who gets less than a gram of coke?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your bananistan still mints coins also ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dope aficionados presumably dig 'for truffle' to ~eat~, rather than sell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite astonishing that usg still bothers to mint coins
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the $sources, they dun dig 'ditch', but very low-effort and laughably shallow holes, with, e.g., duct tape 'flag' sticking out; underneath park benches; etc
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that. << Which dude where?
asciilifeform: if the 'dead drop dope' thing is actually true as reported -- it is a 'britneyization', the dealer replaces 1 mircea_popescu with 10,001 milligramderps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 16:01 mircea_popescu: course ustards are too useless to dig anything
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idjits have this fondness for 'automate and transparentize pgp' etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that, e.g., the mit theft, involved any guile or initiative -- is simply the idiot inheritors disassembling their father's house
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
asciilifeform: lulzily, it was mircea_popescu who originally taught asciilifeform this fact
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 09:15 sina: mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well?
sina: mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NFMtc/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: done.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ty
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nono
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean to say in the case that the op is asleep when the bot goes offline, it'll stay that way until the op awakes
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unless the bot is to stay down until the op awakes?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:02 asciilifeform: for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 18:07 mircea_popescu: doth not entertain me
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked".
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:28 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why i said to d00d, 'don't be disheartened '
mod6: Hi mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: wb mircea_popescu !
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
asciilifeform: sina: in the linked thread, mircea_popescu described why he did not want to use rsa ~signatures~
a111: Logged on 2016-02-08 00:06 mircea_popescu: the only assurance to be had here comes from a gossipd model. where anyone could have written the plaintext, and for all anyone POORLY CONNECTED knows, they probably did.
asciilifeform: sina: why do you think mircea_popescu mentioned rsa in his spec ? to keep the room warm with cpu heat ?
asciilifeform: for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays) ☟︎
asciilifeform: sina: at least a few folx were playing with very similar things even before mircea_popescu wrote his essay
asciilifeform: still depressing; my emulated mircea_popescu sat on my shoulder invisibly laughing
asciilifeform: 'Although the ranges sold initially were unused, IS&T announced that the entire upper half of MITnet would be sold, and that buildings would need to be renumbered.' << holy fuq mircea_popescu was right
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's old post re making a gift from paper for his mother, comes to mind.
ben_vulpes: 'new blood' from trinque and mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but ALL THAT VALUE! << Turns out the shoes and chain were both fake
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 17:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: wb mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: ( not to mention ~worthless for mircea_popescu's prize-problem of 'pure rsa link b/w 2 machines' )
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: poz my neg hole: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dpoz%2520my%2520neg%2520hole>; Poz my neg hole . - Whisper: <http://whisper.sh/whispers/050c257a0ee7ec673772920a491dfb03278e43/Poz-my-neg-hole->; poz my neg hole - PbNation: <http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D2342081>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enough, i have that part ( if little else ) solved.
asciilifeform: https://archive.hnsa.org/ships/img/kaiten.jpg << probably the sub mircea_popescu was thinking of !111
mod6: heheh. i can see it though, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the 'late' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my observation was the the 'warranty' of new item is a very, very expensive thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru
asciilifeform: at any rate, and ought to satisfy mircea_popescu , i dun buy machines i have nfi how to drive, i did not buy airplane either.
asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu describe the chassis of boat as 'moving part' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my toothbrush ain't 2ndhand either!11
asciilifeform: [insert mircea_popescu boat thread here!111]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ack
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: np!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, gimme a min
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's this big bin of folx who ain't gotta look good to anybody, in particular.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone (other than fly going splat) in earnest that it was accident.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as result, i suspect, of missing the 'silver age' etc, asciilifeform never imprinted on the various kabukis of the genre
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wasn't speaking of the 'age of porn-makes-money', i wasn't there to see either end of it.