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asciilifeform: how the fuck is it, that in '40s they not only had shoes that one could walk from moscow to berlin and back, but cheaply enuff that erry piece of cannon fodder could have a pair. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in usa you can walk into supposed shoe place ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769002 ) and pay $maxint, and will still get ~this ( not to mention , it's a lemon market, the folx with ~money here buy decorative fucktardery with wooden soles , not actually made for walking ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "It has been brought to our attention [...] that offensive language is commonly used by [...] staff. Such behavior, in addition to violating our policy, is highly unprofessional and offensive to both visitors and staff." << very typical flavour of bureaucrat alt-worlding, "here staff, here's wha
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found only this one http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iitk3/?raw=true although I remember a better one ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose the dead endness of dead ends is ~always~ going to be sitting on a pyramid tho. "how do you know this can't be" very different from "here, try it, it works"
asciilifeform: it's in the 'whole thing is a bridge to nowhere on acct of [noether's symmetry or other item perpetrator is entirely innocent of]'
asciilifeform: ( arguably a variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686299 thinking ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly was schwartz. had also a great point where 'crackpot will find how to take the 'proof' to where its demolition requires ever slightly moar advanced grasp of subj than he is able to muster'
mircea_popescu: may be schwartz ? but as a bonus : http://trilema.com/2010/voi-nu-meritati-respect/#selection-41.0-41.597 hory shit, 100% costa rica's heredia-alajuela axis!
asciilifeform: wish i could dredge up the orig. but from memory it had a 'resists formalization' definitely
asciilifeform: was a kind of taxonomy of dodges/'fatlogic' gymnastics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you might enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/pasunismul-noua-religie-a-lumii-prostilor/ from back when mp mostly wrote about orc amateurism. very male flavour, same fizz.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:35 mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness.
mircea_popescu: nah, rather, "winner" of tournament thingee, now stuck pretending like he's a sorta king sui generis.
mircea_popescu: ie, he ran off, made some dough ($100 was an immense sum in a country where yearly incomes averaged $50)
mircea_popescu: ilie nastase ? dood was supposed to be "rich businessman" in a romania that had very much the "luxor center for businessmen" outlook, owing to a complete and utter http://trilema.com/2009/de-mogulibus/#selection-57.0-65.473 , before http://trilema.com/2010/s-o-lamurim-pe-asta-cu-securitatea/#selection-53.0-53.694
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:39 mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i
mircea_popescu: nobody even fucking knows such a thing as "laura stone" even existed, except for romanians old enough to recall the 90s.
mircea_popescu: (i know it sounds ridoinculous, but obscure starlet took job to do some show or other in ro and as a result ended up hounded by ~all males, including the "finance minister" (a "technocratic expert" bla bla etcetera), the star soccer player, the star tennis player / chief bisnitar etc.
asciilifeform: ugh wat happened there ? they built a mcd and she took up eating in it ?
mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but they simply never found the linguistic resources (yes, that's a pun.)
mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ideally you wouldn't even i/o from a worker thread, imho, only main prog would i/o.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop
mircea_popescu: ugc-europe / "liberty global" being this sorta economic warfare support wing, back in the 90s when they still had a clue re http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-25#581083 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:46 mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:15 asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie
asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388 ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop ☟︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work ☝︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i said "why would you buy these small shits, they don't even have a reset button"
mircea_popescu still recalls discussion in the heart of what later became one of romania's largest isps, when sold to i udn recall who : five dudes each with large-ish ad hoc networks (i suspect you recall those) were talking about pooling, and they needed what in the civilised world is a peering noc, and it was discussed what items to buy
asciilifeform: afaik what passes for comp nowadays ( where 'it dun fit on the pnoje screen!!11' ) often dun even ~have~ a reset.
mircea_popescu: i'm not against a kernel that a) never itself crashes and b) always kills anything i want FOR me, and elegantly.
asciilifeform: it's a bitch tho, what you really want is to lose the wedge, rather than errything you keyed in the past xx min. hence asciilifeform's elaboration of the principle in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 .
asciilifeform: ( to the point that the sov pc clone 'iskra', 1st comp i ever laid hands on, actually had a cpu reset key ~on kbd~ , nice big red thing )
asciilifeform: that also a broken soft of a kind.
asciilifeform actually grasps mircea_popescu's pov quite well, after coupla decades with broken soft that does 'whatever it feels like', one starts thinking of 'i want control' in the sense of 'all i want is a big enuff spiked club to smash it all with'. but if you ~actually have~ proper control, cuz you wrote a correct proggy, then what you really want is 'feldmarschall's baton', not club.
asciilifeform: aha, imho it's a 'yer iron is on fire' condition.
mircea_popescu: it's not a language, it's a wankpile.
mircea_popescu: there can not be such a thing as a language that infringes the father's priviledge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you accomplish this by giving the subs a termination condition
asciilifeform: this is entirely correct, if you have a wedgeable subprocess in a correctly-written proggy, there is a catastrophic mistake and time to switch whole thing off and find where.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not the fucking question. the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow" the shit dun die when i say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q is why you even ~have~ a wedgedeable -- i.e. having to be async-killed -- subprocess in yer proggy.
mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".
mircea_popescu: yes, and if i have a gun in the house "anyone could in principle end up pointed at with it". wtf is this, pantsuit hour ?
asciilifeform: so it's same 'so' as 'hey i'll follow a dangling pointer if i damn well please, so'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893706 << consider this gedankenexperiment: say you have an infinite loop, incrementing a variable N. at some point you asynchronously kill it. what is N then ? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right you are, nearly a decade
BingoBoingo rereading http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/ 4 and a half years later
BingoBoingo: How unfair the Uruguayos managed to produce a second city center in their capital during the interval.
mircea_popescu: so now, considering this 1970-2020 fiddy year bridge -- how is baltimore ? did the black preachers turn it into a garden yet ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, say, i was watching some oliver stone flicks (as part of an aborted integral, jesus that guy sucks, and the 70s suck with him) and in one of them lester (of cucking de niro in casino fame) was a very poor reporter going to san salvador to report on the 1970s maduro thing there (which btw -- last i heard still ongoing).
BingoBoingo: They are "down a young male" in the same way Baltimore or Ferguson profess to be before they ritually burn so the big drug drop can make it in
mircea_popescu: how can anyone be "down a young male" ? that's what the fuck they're for, i'm not "down six boxes" because i got six boxes on atm.
BingoBoingo: Team puma is also down a young male after it aggressed against a jogger and got choked out this week. Not really qntra, but in the files for blogfodder.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it might tickle you to find that while the mountain lion (aka, puma) is a species of "least concern" (ie, in the pantsuit designator of animal concern trolling, they figure as "excluded") nevertheless the pantsuit comfortably living off other people's income in and around los angeles are "advising" "the town" on how to "improve genetic diversity" in the "fragmented" populations.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll shoot em an email today. Their office is out in the sticks near the Palacio Legislativo. Long walk for a below the fold story.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, you can't have a language like that.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill them after a set time established administratively.
diana_coman: hm, in possibly interesting ada-bits: apparently "abort" for tasks does not really kill them if /when they are in an infinite loop; according to ada docs I got the idea of "abort-deferred" i.e. in some states it won't abort but "infinite loop or waiting for a procedure call to return" did not seem to figure there; in practical terms this means that my workers will have to attempt any Job in a guarded manner i.e. give up on it after some ma
BingoBoingo: I may have to. May also have to stop by the Bomberos, but that probably involves a lot of union wank.
diana_coman: if /when desired (i.e. at shutdown time, the sequence might be something along the lines send stop signal to sjm and then /after a while, if there is anything still running, call the abort)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 23:56 asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-109.1672-109.1738 << will be interesting to see if this functions if stuffed into a static lib, in light of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889467 puzzler
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893544 -> adding to this, on (re)^n -read of docs I doubt there's any benefit in having a controlled type in there; essentially the main thread will *wait* for all tasks spawned by the SJM to finish from what I understand; so then aborting them in a Finalize makes precisely 0 sense and instead I should probably make it a plain array and offer users of the package a non-synchronised procedure to abort them ☝︎
diana_coman: I suspect asciilifeform's point was more along the lines: why kill them at all instead of letting them idle in there until something to do; not really "why do you bother having a way to create them?"
mircea_popescu: it is actually better to have a robust life.death cycle than to pretend like death ain't supposed to happen.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, since you can't guarantee workers staying up, you'll need a way to create them anyway.
diana_coman: that being said, I'm not sure in fact that there is a need for the Initialize procedure itself if I'm to cut something out (it's enough to initialize the array when declaring it - although technically it will happen later than within initialize,it's still before anyone gets to use it so perfectly adequate)
diana_coman: s also when a job is finished since the player id may be released or when/if a worker aborts unexpectedly )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one could certainly keep at all times 64 worker threads idling and waiting for jobs; initially I had implemented it precisely as such: all it takes is to accept a Get_Job request only when there IS a job to hand out; it adds a bit of complexity in there though because there has to be a flag for "available job" and then it has to be kept up to date correctly (which can be a bit tricky as it's not only when a job is added, it'
BingoBoingo: Smell of burning chicom plastic carried a few blocks. Have a handful of usable pictures.
mircea_popescu: famously, a hungarian was defined cca 1890s, as that species of moron who would rather eat soap wrapped in paper painted his coutnry's flag than french cheese in a plain wrapper.
mircea_popescu: a need to not fucking starve was identified, and the ministry of idle pomp and spurious circumstance has issued a raft of confetty with scribblings on them in this general direction!
asciilifeform: see, they haven't found how to make a jonathan apple from anthracite just yet. Moar Studies Needed (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( coal is moar or less the 1 mineral resource left in north a in any substantial qty )
asciilifeform: it is even rumoured that usg is pouring printolade into fischer-tropsch , a la the ~prev~ reich
asciilifeform: i expect there will be plenty of attempted-'substitute' lulz, a la the wooden spokes in wheels of late imperial jp trucks.
asciilifeform: it's a bitch to make e.g. small stepper w/out magnet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still no way to have high performance electric engine without high performance magnet. which is all the lulzier considering usgistani "innovation" in "how to go three miles to the galon by first turning it into a large lithium battery"
mircea_popescu: the sheer unmitigated gall to announce "they identified and sponsored". what the fuck's it supposed to do, i identified a need for more sluts and sponsored the creation thereof at two bits a titpair. what, usg,dea is better than me or something, is the hallucination here ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "Chinese manufacturers have become a dominant force in neodymium magnet production, based on their control of much of the world's sources of rare earth mines. The United States Department of Energy has identified a need to find substitutes for rare earth metals in permanent magnet technology, and has begun funding such research. The Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy has sponsored a Rare Earth Alternativ
mircea_popescu: it got so bad in mini-mp household, my father got me a stack of superalloy things. "how can you give that to a child ? you realise what can happen if he swallows one ?" (they were these thin tiny discs with hole in middle, enameled)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i misremembered, item was a 'moon buggy'
mircea_popescu goes away whistling "a mudslide to paradise"
asciilifeform: i dun think i had a woman-spider single-mold tentaclerape scene as toy. ( maybe in jp they do ? )
mircea_popescu: you might've not been the only one, seen a lot of these
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893553 << as a very small boy, asciilifeform had this toy, where little rocket with two plastic cosmonauts inside, and they were molded in such a way that they only had torso/arms/head, were whole with the cockpit; and took it, as 3-4y.o. might, quite literally, 'in the dark fyootoor man will be grown into ship, live an' die together' ☝︎
asciilifeform: in that light the oven oughta make a good ic frier, has adjustable voltage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: will note tho, that if yer machine aint actually intended to fly on a rocket, placing it in a pb bottle is cheaper than baking saphire ic.
asciilifeform intends eventually to actually try ffa on a micro with deliberately-glitchy environment, e.g. inside that xray oven, and see how this goes in real life
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:49 asciilifeform: on that subj, attentive ffa reader will notice in certain places asciilifeform marked in comment 'cosmic ray resistance' . this indicates mechanisms where there are two or more separate pieces that ensure a correct computation (or death with alarm bells) if somehow bit flips , when this is inexpensive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-139.9098-139.9968 << dun seem like diana_coman's mechanism specialized by creating different 'species' of 'worker' -- but by using case selector, as i expected it would. therefore it remains a puzzle to me why to terminate an' rebirth'em ( to save a few kB of ram when machine load is light ?? )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 22:35 asciilifeform: this is done with a standard ada feature called 'controlled limited type'. which i found that, for no documented reason, dunwork in gnat's static lib.
asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-109.1672-109.1738 << will be interesting to see if this functions if stuffed into a static lib, in light of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889467 puzzler ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: a++ title btw.