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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no intention to comment on the "pro" whatever it is. the "authors" not in wot, item dun exist, wut do i care.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: also "what would you have moron do ???" "well, i didn't say he HAS to be wykeham professor of logic / chicago professor of constitutional law / whatever".
mircea_popescu: why'd i have them do anything ? africa's fulla africans who don't go around pompously pretending they're white people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's obv. vandalistic, what they do. but i'm pretty curious what you'd have'em do instead? maintain the standard on nights and weekends while writing java for microshit ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:43 asciilifeform: those come with the opensores gnat tho ( i was never able to get it to run, seems to only work on winblowz and shituntu )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899789 << but ofcouars. "requires netbase" too, i'm sure. ☝︎
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898712 << i would also like to have a deeper look at this 'mes' item. is this ok? ☝︎
bvt: i can try killing that code to see what happens -- i don't even understand why zcx won't just work, and there is no information on this problem in the whole internet ☟︎
asciilifeform: cuz that'd be interesting. i initially supposed that it was built as a 'lowest common denominator', i.e. without presumption that os supports preemption
bvt: diana_coman: it seems so, the code for ignoring aborts on zcx was added in 2003 and not touched since that time, so i agree with "broken by design"
asciilifeform: bvt: i started with the supposition that it was built for irons where there is no time slicer , but currently nfi whether this is so, or whether was simply a kludge for no particular reason ☟︎
diana_coman: in truth, they do say "coding standard verification" but I suspect that means whether a piece of code follows whatever convention specified for that project, hm
bvt: hello. i also tried to find information on why zcx is broken, but not sjlj -- did not find anything specific
diana_coman: ah, hm, I thought there was some different version/moar features in the commercial version; anyway, I have to admit I did not really try to get it running as there was no ..need felt for it so far
diana_coman: and yes, tools for certification this and that i.e. automated bureaucracy/compliance
asciilifeform: those come with the opensores gnat tho ( i was never able to get it to run, seems to only work on winblowz and shituntu ) ☟︎
diana_coman: my impression was that their upsell was mostly on tools i.e. the IDE whatever-its-name-was
asciilifeform: last i looked, didn't turn up a leaked copy anywhere.
asciilifeform: currently i've nfi where, if indeed at all, 'pro' differs from the public gnat.
diana_coman: last time I had to have any sort of idea what that meant, it was iirc having the stamp of higher-stamped stamp-stampers etc
diana_coman: but I suspect it's more ~ "too much trouble and nobody needs that anyway"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: only from entomological pov. i.e. do they break the opensores one deliberately , to upsell to the payware? or both equally braindamaged.
asciilifeform: ( but i do not presently know, nor inclined to buy it to find out )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect this aint the last time we find that gnat breaks standard
diana_coman: but I suspect it's simply one of those "you should prefer" a la http://ossasepia.com/2018/07/14/cutting-mysql-into-musl-shape/#selection-47.98-47.160
asciilifeform: why the fuck machine even has an interrupt controller, if idjit programmers run slicer to continuously poll e.g. blocking i/o . it's ridiculous.
asciilifeform: i strongly suspect that it's fundamentally braindamaged idea
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, "what's a slice anyway"
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, it's a vestige from days of running on os with no scheduler (dos etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've had occasion to move the stack limit ( when tested ffa with massive fz widths, recall , all allocations are on stack ) but not otherwise
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can readily believe this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that diana_coman is the 1st to actually measure, since 1990s (if indeed anyone bothered then)
diana_coman: and yes, I have no idea why zcx really, I can't see any reason for it
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether i put this in the log, but asciilifeform found that if proggy does not use tasks, the 2 variants appear to build identical binary
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the present juncture i can't actually tell. it seems to (very slightly) slow down loops while performing merely slightly better than sjlj with no handlers set.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform would luvv a rk-like item baked by sane folx, could easily be half the size or smaller, i.e. w/out the useless ports, and perhaps with e.g. sata instead )
BingoBoingo: And then I try to do whatever before cooking in the hot aisle
BingoBoingo: And then I plug the keyboard in
BingoBoingo: Well I plug the monitor into a blue VGA port
mircea_popescu: i thought he was just doing terminal over w/e
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're commercially available , for cost of ~bmw , but i dun want one here lol
asciilifeform: i want lower/upper bound at least, or how the fuq to even know if could flip bit.
mircea_popescu: i know they did ; but it's perhaps worth revisiting!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun have a 10MeV source ( do you ?? ) . tho i suppose one could float the thing on balloon and hope to get lucky with cosmic ray..
asciilifeform went to compute mircea_popescu's q, 'just how much did it eat', apparently it's a bitch : absorption constant varies by chip, and in heavy industry folx mostly gave up , they stick dosimetric film underneath the board. i'ma get an upper bound tho, it's important q when we do the bitflip thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, it's about 10MeV ; i am pleasantly surprised you know about it, but i am unimpressed with the 1e8 error factor!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 00:29 mod6: If inquiring minds would like to know, happy to elaborate. But I'll put up a blog post about it sometime before the end of the weekend I suspect.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899607 << congrats mod6. I'd definitely be interested in reading ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 06:37 mircea_popescu: i think it's unconscionable to be flying this blind/by seat of pants. speaking of that "gilding the lilly", did you even calculate the remanent activity by component for that half hour of exposure ?
asciilifeform: for all i know, he was even right.. at petavolt or sumsuch. but , hate to disappoint, not at kV or even mV.
mircea_popescu: i think it's unconscionable to be flying this blind/by seat of pants. speaking of that "gilding the lilly", did you even calculate the remanent activity by component for that half hour of exposure ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha, is what the dentists do. i'ma gild that lily when it turns out to need gilding tho, so far can already clearly distinguish 2 layers of pcb.
asciilifeform: ( and even there, 'tomographic' pic, i.e. from range of angle, gives moar bang for bux , possibly )
asciilifeform: in the bolix board, i'ma pull the ics before it goes into the oven, they're all socketed, so sorta academic.
asciilifeform: i'ma also try scintillator + ordinary photopaper ( some folx report usable pics via same )
asciilifeform: i expect this is typical (FG is pretty thin as far as pcb goes)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is certainly how i started reading him (initially had good stuff in 'small picture' re su/usa parallel)
asciilifeform: well i do have 3..
asciilifeform: the ~real~ gold would be if could emissograph it. like those rembrandts. but i dun think my current gear is up to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i was saying ~slow~.
asciilifeform: if i had 9000 units to work with, then defo would
mod6: If inquiring minds would like to know, happy to elaborate. But I'll put up a blog post about it sometime before the end of the weekend I suspect. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:56 asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
asciilifeform: i have 3 units and xray to show precisely where to cut, and intend later this yr to start cutting !
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i hate to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 & the related quandaries some time before i die of old age. plox to comment. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did not know. but it's a fairly basic observation, and i expect it occurs regularly to mircea_popescu & other thinking folx when seriously thinking re 'wai pc sux'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i coincidentally re-read that piece as recently as this week ?
mircea_popescu: very much apropos, that discussion of the error of going back on the tree, which now i can't find.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read it, i read it. didn't surprise, either. "windows nt in javascript" or what was it.
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> re my cuntoo-in': i ran bootstrap.sh, got trinque's smileyface, but then "cp: cannot stat '../config/4.9.94-apu2': No such file or directory". i'm having moar surgery tomorrow, but i'll dig into this again friday. << Let me know if you need brought back online then. I can't imagine hippos work weekends, if their build is still going on by then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun expect you'll want to eat the whole article, but it sums to quite a bag of lulz : can run entire proggy in the 'speculated' parallel universe, in such a way that it dun logically exist on e.g. by-the-book emulator, but only on post-2009 shitcpu
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 18:17 diana_coman: I have on my conveyor first to complete and publish the full set of data zcx vs sjlj; after that I guess I'll publish the notes re building ave1's gnat too
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 18:15 diana_coman: note that you'll get simply gnat with sjlj, no option to switch between zcx and sjlj i.e. --rts won't work
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 17:57 mod6: thanks asciilifeform; the one thing that changed, other than the hashes (from sha512->keccak) in the vpatches, is in the genesis.vpatch, I removed that UTF-8 character.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899484 << i heartily recommend http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:47 asciilifeform: notbad, i suppose, if troo
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for all i know, already opened
hanbot: re my cuntoo-in': i ran bootstrap.sh, got trinque's smileyface, but then "cp: cannot stat '../config/4.9.94-apu2': No such file or directory". i'm having moar surgery tomorrow, but i'll dig into this again friday.
diana_coman: I have on my conveyor first to complete and publish the full set of data zcx vs sjlj; after that I guess I'll publish the notes re building ave1's gnat too ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha, i walked back and saw this, was needed for working build
diana_coman: note that you'll get simply gnat with sjlj, no option to switch between zcx and sjlj i.e. --rts won't work ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. was prior to the thread where diana_coman rebuilt ave1's )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc what i cut was built with old-stype gnat16 neh ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I built it, yes; iirc you even cut open a bin compiled with it
mod6: thanks asciilifeform; the one thing that changed, other than the hashes (from sha512->keccak) in the vpatches, is in the genesis.vpatch, I removed that UTF-8 character. ☟︎
shinohai: asciilifeform: didja get chance to do regrind steps on trb? I would of course *like* to have your sigs there, since you wrote a bunch of old patches.
spyked: ^ re de-header-ization: it's currently in the works, I'll shoot out another update once the new .tar.xz is ready.
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 9 hours and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> that gutenberg tarball -- didja get a chance to auto-kill all of the header liquishit ? i'd prefer to mirror a flensed copy, the 50kB of 'this text copyright wikitards(tm)(r)' is eyesore
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899477 <-- ty, asciilifeform! I'll update the post with a link to your mirror later today ☝︎
asciilifeform: i still remember that d00d i talked to in timis , where http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732376 ☝︎
asciilifeform: notbad, i suppose, if troo ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, maduro is on the chopping block; and i dun think these are unrelated
asciilifeform: i have nfi how anyone can escape the conclusion that 'western civilization' of the past-50y model is in any way diff in effect than eating pb paint chips.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for all i know, already opened ☟︎
asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked that gutenberg tarball -- didja get a chance to auto-kill all of the header liquishit ? i'd prefer to mirror a flensed copy, the 50kB of 'this text copyright wikitards(tm)(r)' is eyesore ☟︎
asciilifeform: i went 'let's mirror', but loox like will take whole day
BingoBoingo: His side of whatever he's contributing to their build is in the hot aisle. But he's ~350 pounds, so he can only stand to be in the hot aisle ~90 seconds at a time. That's a lot of purposeless movement I would rather not deal with when the hippo workday has to end sometime.
hanbot: BingoBoingo I attempted a reboot of s.nsa spare box, looks like it's not coming back up. please investigate at your leisure.