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asciilifeform: iirc rose had a 2way ticket and took option of throwing out the return half.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, there was a spate of various chicks taking to their wings.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:41 mircea_popescu: but yes, alladin carries a pretty fucking strong scent of "oh, hi, we're ohioan squarejaws wearing bedsheets. totally legit rome sir. rome, ohio."
mircea_popescu: and it's not even "translator" that's needed. lingvistic-cultural expert, it's a high grade job.
asciilifeform: it's roughly like studying e.g. chechen. go an' pin down a live specimen.
asciilifeform strongly suspects there's a motherlode of naggumism of finns, that could be excavated if anyone were to liberate the 'dejanews' stash. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: item was deeply lulzy from a lot of perspective ; but i will point out and udnerscore that no one was well equipped to appreciate that lulz prior to this here republic's senate discussions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the fault for "there's exactly 1" lies not-with-me!!! i do not as much as keep it secret ; or not make a point of it ; or anything else.
mircea_popescu: not much of a high bar.
mircea_popescu: you realise, currently the stopper on "legislating" is that the few available interns whose brains permit the activity simply can't copy/paste at a faster rate ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 23:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : a) female b) moving away from femstate to c) patriarchy [where to happily live in d) new status and e) social media announcement of this that f) really insanely bothers femstate remnants]
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there was a greybeard d00d who agreed, in 1980s, to leave a u.s. semiconductor co and chair a jp one. (but was eventually lured back, quietly)
asciilifeform: that wasn't my nitpick tho ( it's sure as fuck 'crown' ) but re ~who~ runs off. is it a 'defection' if lowly paper pusher , and not brass ?
mircea_popescu: this, this thing that is now a thing and will be much more of a thing, this thing was first announced, and first demonstrated on trilema.
mircea_popescu: this harsh reality whereby "nobody gives a shit about your '''career''' bs and she'd much rather http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888192 ☝︎
asciilifeform: traditionally 'defection' is about a crown official neh
mircea_popescu: a-c mandatory d-f optional elements.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : a) female b) moving away from femstate to c) patriarchy [where to happily live in d) new status and e) social media announcement of this that f) really insanely bothers femstate remnants] ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i claim dibs for trilema re leadership in this whole "defection" business. WAY before femstate media reported on such a thing, it was on trilema.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 20:49 asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect ~100% of'em would defect if anyone gave enuff of a shit to offer.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-03#908165 was re hosting. wtf am i going to build, a list of conservative forums EACH SINGKLE REGISTERED ACCT ON WHICH MUST BE MESSAGED ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and so on, going back a while.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:26 mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895817 << pretty fucking lulzy. the "platform" / "social media" etc was SUCH A SUCCESS, for the first time in history us brass defecting to fucking iran. ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly someone in that pigsty aint actually a pig tho, and might 'hmm, actual hosting..'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about. plus a ridoinculous flavour whereby "white sox won cup because i, joe fatass, was screaming in a bar!!!"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 19:06 asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895814 << no but see, the thing eminently IS NOT that they have something to say. the thing is, that they misperceive there's a dole going on, that they're excluded from. their idea specifically is very much in the line of http://trilema.com/2011/antreprenorii-sanisedeie/ and so on. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these folx seem to have a psychiatrically-classical 'царь-батюшка' imaginary friendship w/ trump ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895813 << eh, what a fucking stupid idea. nobody wants anything with "social media", let the socialist tards & my bots have it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the only hit is x86_64-linux-musl/share/info/mpc.info -- a readme
diana_coman: re paths I suppose a simple grep -r "libmpc" would show perhaps duplicates if nothing else?
diana_coman: on hold atm since a. for sjlj on smg.test yes, need gnat rebuild b. for the rest it's unclear if it's worth to run or which ones so rather pending mircea_popescu feedback
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's been a bit of a long day too, sorry; strictly speaking you are in fact right there: that line compares them yes,if only to stress that "ofc they are different"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: after mircea_popescu nitpicks, perhaps this oughta be used as a template for others
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho a++
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 18:41 diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit
diana_coman: coming back to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895807 aka http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true if it converges, it seems to be diff on diff machines+diff gnat; I might note also ftr that the times there on very short runs (i.e. a few loops) are not reliable ; other than that though, so far with this test there doesn't seem to be much penalty on having sjlj ☝︎
diana_coman: it seems to me that it's just a path/configure that remains /is carried over from where the gnat was built
diana_coman: I guess until now I always built ave1's gnat on a machine that had adacore's gnat installed with all the paths to libs like that quite standard so possibly that's why it never failed
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform was not able to build a working x64 gnat from the arm64 gnat )
diana_coman: since it seems it'll take a while until I can add to my data the numbers for sjlj on ave1's gnat as well, here's what I have so far: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true ☟︎
diana_coman: ave1 or anyone else more experienced in rebuilding ave1's gnat with a previous incarnation of same: I'm trying to build using the scripts in ada-musl-cross-2018-09-24.tgz on a machine that has as only existing and perfectly working !) gnat a previous ave1 gnat version; I ran as the readme says simply ./build-ada.sh absolute_path_to_dir but the whole thing fails because it doesn't find some libs such as libgmp.la; a closer look at the outpu
asciilifeform: 'the Cyber Conspirators created a Facebook account that purported to belong to a USIC employee and former colleague of Witt, and which utilized legitimate information and photos from the USIC employee’s actual Facebook account. This particular fake account caused several of Witt’s former colleagues to accept “friend” requests' << lol! defectors aint what they usedto be... ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Facebook, Twitter and Google are actively restricting conservative content through biased algorithms. Silicon Valley doesn't want you to read our articles. Bypass the censorship, sign up for our newsletter now!' << BingoBoingo write'em a mail ? ☟︎
diana_coman: anyways, I'll compile the dataset and publish it in a bit ☟︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it was a mis-communication really
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in unrelated lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/website-thou-art-lol/#selection-423.92-423.100 (believe it or not, "affirmed" is a term of art in the context, that's how cuntmagic works, by "affirmation".)
mircea_popescu: did i ever link the obvious http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/#selection-79.0-205.38 answer to the obvious if commonplace http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 idiocy ? i think not, and it'd be a waste. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that a set of up to 200s converged, and then a 1 1/4 s item diverged.
asciilifeform doesn't like benchmarks where 1 shot takes moar than coupla min, for the reason that unix box is a shitfest, liable to decide 'hey nao is the time to munge the fs' etc. and suddenly eat cpu for multiple min, whenever
asciilifeform: i'ma guess box ground to a halt during the 5-loops run, for a spell
asciilifeform: that's quite a few, even if you had nuffin in the middle of it
mircea_popescu: do me a favour first and let's nail the numbers down. so, for 1 to 100 if mod 2 results in the loop being run 50 times ? or 49 ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-10 14:08 asciilifeform: aaand to round off : it vanished on the test box also. culprit appears to have been a running raid-verify job...
asciilifeform: based only on above, i suspect a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-10#1886261 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a ok.
mircea_popescu: we are currently entering the loop twice, and we enter a total of 22 loops. therefore the number of times serpent is run is 2 ^ 22.
diana_coman: from a to v? 22
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think her work above provides us with some useful data : it turns out it is reasonable to expect timings converge for measured intervals of at least 1/3 of a second, on the basis of the above.
mircea_popescu: turns out a serpent takes about 2.8 microseconds.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems it stabilizes after 3 loops or so, if you look, it's within a few % with .007s and pretty much there at 0.35s
diana_coman: a to j aka 10 loops from 1 to 10 only and then with if mod 4 -> 0.000855 s (no long jmp)
mircea_popescu is very sorry about wasting a day. coulda done 30 seconds of figuring numbers BEFORE just as well.
diana_coman: ah, so if a mod 4 = 0 you mean
mircea_popescu: diana_coman a through j ; for 1 to 10 mod 4 plox.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
diana_coman: for completeness: the set of data above is from a different machine hence a bit faster than those of yest
asciilifeform: imho whole day is a bit of overkill if for ~one~ shot..
diana_coman: so I'll post the testing code with full set of loops in a bit and then go and set up another run too
diana_coman: I think a gradual approach (i.e. run it & record results gradually increasing the number of loops) might be useful meanwhile
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/#selection-541.3-553.157 << i always thought this was obv, and find it brainfucking that anybody dungetit
asciilifeform: i had nfi he was a proud , eh, son of persia
hanbot: mircea_popescu dyou mean http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/ ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to recall a trilema article about some moronic "pick up artist" and his tedious adventure getting some 17yo i think it was to sorta-take it, after half a day of pigeoning ?
asciilifeform: it's funny , when asciilifeform went to 'museum of communism' in timis, pawed through buncha ancient lulzlit there, and photo'd 'a la minox' to read through laters and chew on the 'limba de lemn' ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform often points out that we have buffer overflows on acct of the iron having nfi what 'integer', 'character', 'string', 'code' are , just pushes untagged words around; but it is also the reason why we have e.g. thread deadlocks (on an iron which 'knows' when yer e.g. assigning a variable, deadlock is ~impossible)
asciilifeform: imho it is a curse on programming folx, that spackling seems to work as well as it does, really it is the equiv of eating 'tasty' pb paint chips, leads to grief always
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it -- 'zxc' strikes me as a classic case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 and impedence mismatch generally. it was clearly written as attempt to 'deterministic scheduler on ??? iron/os', but fails, cuz you can't actually spackle away impedence mismatch b/w the underlying platform and the proggy ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: there's a lulzy 'pentagon standard' one, the name presently escapes me, iirc it is in the log tho ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but seems he ALSO found a race condition in the handlers ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: the avionics people seem to use it, but they (near as i was able to learn) dun kill tasks at all, and regard any detected wedge as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895456 condition ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if (and only if) yer scheduler actually runs on the naked iron, a 'polled' sys gives ~less~ nondeterminism than a fully asynchronous one. but nobody's got this iron of yet.
mircea_popescu: if there's a mechanism in computing that's supposed to be push not pull, that's exceptions. can't fucking have a pull mechanism for exception handling, and i see 0 gaisn from moving the honest braindamage of "if ZCX_By_Default then return;" into an elaborately & contrivedly hidden same exact thing.
asciilifeform: a linear process can still be heavy enuff (e.g. a 8192-bit primality test on ffa) that you wouldn't want to wait for it to finish when killing a thread
bvt: it won't we poll-killable if the whole loop is in cpp/asm. if just a linear code - should not be too bad; sjlj should still work better.
asciilifeform: bvt: rright. my observation is, it aint suitable for a general-purpose kill switch , the prob orig. posed by mircea_popescu , cuz polled mode can only give ability to kill items which 'agreed' to be killable
asciilifeform: where you had to explicitly yield a thread, or whole machine ground to halt
asciilifeform: bvt: my reasoning is based on the docs description of how implemented. but certainly worth a test, if anyone can be arsed ( given the 'all loops gotta be doctored' thing, my understanding is that 'polled' proggy would choke if wedges inside a cppism )
bvt: yes, the only reason i did not switch yet is the convenience of m-c-m for development (i.e. getting i386 and aarch64 builds ready using it took me a few minutes of config time)
asciilifeform: maybe musl implements some functionality is a way unexpected << where didja get a gcc5istic gnat built on musl, bvt ??
asciilifeform: gcc5 breakage extends into the Ada world << noshit, if yer on a gcc5istic gnat, all bets are off, they fucked the back end
asciilifeform: bvt: re the pragma polling bit : abort aint instantaneous, whereas the if A(I)'Terminated ... item happens immediately
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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895192 << before this gets lost -- irix has reputation as stable, but porous as all fuck ( sgi never apparently gave half a shit ) ; not that we're at risk of cribbing from it, as you pointed out, 0 src ☝︎
asciilifeform: longer obv. better, tho still need a # of independent runs .
a111: Logged on 2019-01-10 14:08 asciilifeform: aaand to round off : it vanished on the test box also. culprit appears to have been a running raid-verify job...
mircea_popescu: stops probabilistically eventually -- which seems a bad idea until you realise you get counts, can compare those.