mircea_popescu: the problem was : as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897450 seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897382 -- is there call or isn't there call for such elaborate nonsense. the answer to this problem lies in the size of the dataset, if truly huge then ~perhaps~, but if small certainly not. then we had a discussion to establish whether large or small, which died on the facts, but i resurrected on culprit confession : ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway. seems gcc has a baked-in "max 2097152 symbols"

mircea_popescu: it adds a zero!

mircea_popescu: "/* The count field we have in the main struct object is somewhat limited, but should suffice for virtually all cases. If the counted value doesn't fit, re-write a zero. The worst that happens is that we re-count next time -- admittedly non-trivial in that this implies some 2M fdes, but at least we function. */" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: diana_coman myeah. i guess it'd take a patch on gcc, which is too much hassle atm.

mircea_popescu: (for completeness, approx - "men are of flesh, women, of steel. it shoul've been the other way around, but god's hunchback and not above mistakes ; women say they're flesh, men claim to be steel -- which is why it's dark at night and life a hotel"

mircea_popescu: see, engineers are worse than whores. a whore might pretend like she's not working, but an engineer does inept shit like "/* This should optimize out, but it is wise to make sure this assumption is correct. Should these have different sizes, we cannot cast between them and the overlaying onto ERRATIC will not work. */" so as to ~pretend~ like he doesn't see WHY exactly he wants to take that code out. seriously, ooga-booga-bu ☟︎

mircea_popescu: but as a factual matter -- object files end up a few mb, and they're not 100% symbol by mass. you jsut can not have this many.

mircea_popescu: which it does not, when's the last time you had 1mn. wtf is all this tim's wondermachines steampunk idiocy for ? can just sort a fucking list

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't fucking get it, just HOW FUCKING MANY symbols are they dealing with here ? by the sheer desperation screaming out of the code you'd think a compile produces at least 5 trillion of them. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: or else you have a workable even set of them

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you see it as an improvement because you perceive it forces their hands down the right path, whether they want to or not. it's a rapeprovement.

mircea_popescu: you can not in fact define symbols after the fact (and i don't mean just the elf technical term -- all symbols). the only way to define a symbol is by its parents.

mircea_popescu: in fact, there's a long line of illustrious ancestors who, having spotted this problem (wtf is foo ?!) attempted to solve it ~the very wrong way~, ie, by definition. hence not just ai winter, but microscopically naggum's sgi misadventures and so on.

mircea_popescu: (note that the tempting "obvious" approach -- describe foo then!!! -- is not only fucking broken, but broken in the exact way minsky wasted life trying to produce. there can not be ~description~, the only way to induce meaning in the machine is through filiation. v-produced foo has a very strict "wtf is it ??" answer associated, but also very fine and not structure-driven.)

mircea_popescu: yeah, needs a v.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically it all comes down to a gns absence issue ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not do it properly then, get rid of symbol clashing as a concept altogether, let everything be the last thing it was and be done with it.

mircea_popescu: "but the mechanism for symbol clashing exists for a reason"

mircea_popescu: and in likbez-mp : can anyone explain "weak symbols" as a concept to me without making it sound like a hack ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the larger, more impressive books in my parents' library was "welt der kunst". i couldn't read german, but mom explained it's "the world of art" so it populated my childish immagination for a full decade, until old enough to read it. by that time it disappointed -- not that anything could have lived to heights a kid might build in mind over years. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: with a (unproven) claim for complexity cap no less.

mircea_popescu: now in other lulz, check this out : http://archive.is/89adR#selection-9.9948-9.10055 "This is a special mix of insertion sort and heap sort, optimized for the data sets that actually occur." ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: reading gnu code, always good for a facepalm.

mircea_popescu: "/* ??? Glibc has for a while now exported __register_frame_info and __deregister_frame_info. If we call __register_frame_info_bases from crtbegin (wherein it is declared weak), and this object does not get pulled from libgcc.a for other reasons, then the invocation of __deregister_frame_info will be resolved from glibc. Since the registration did not happen there, we'll die. Therefore, declare a new deregistration entry poi

mircea_popescu: it's such a fucking pleasure to get up in the morning and get to the logs...

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform diana_coman can either of you package a bin for his bootstrap privately ?

mircea_popescu: that's a seriously great coinage.

mircea_popescu: bvt --eh-frame-hdr << how much less probable does it make it ? (ie, there's a bunch of old reported stash smashing bugs in gcc, such http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897096 as from yest), and --eh-frame-hdr protects the stack from being thus corrupted. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: imo franco very much like maduro. i dunno if you've looked at dood much, he's 100% ranchero guy, would be way the fuck happier raising cattle, maybe at the most driving a truck. but he's stuck with these idiots.

mircea_popescu: not to a random article.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found it http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/#selection-39.0-39.51 << ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ave1 did you ever run a sjlj version ?

mircea_popescu: because FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it dun work worth a shit nor does it do anything, practically speaking. and if it doesn't here, it doesn't re "education" or "politics" or "civil society" or what have you.

mircea_popescu: cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy.

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine it was never written, this long jump thing was standardf for a while neh ?

mircea_popescu: "The issue is that the code generated for __builtin_longjmp reads a value for x29 (the frame pointer) from the jmp_buf, but the code generated for __builtin_setjmp doesn't actually write x29 to the jmp_buf, leading to corruption of x29 when a longjmp occurs. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897029 << myeah, eulora suddenly very fucking useful to teh broader community. i have a good mind to add a few months payroll to the goodwill line, because hory shit. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: seems we're en route to discover that all gnat builds depend on ~this one bridge build~ that was done by a meanwhile dead graybeard sometime in 2001.

mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!" ☟︎