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a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 16:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c-s uses the basic parts of elgamal, hence the investigation.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 16:35 asciilifeform: to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo
asciilifeform: subj was beaten to death in the logs, neh
mircea_popescu: what happened to "god damned it, i can't do this c-s i was going to do for the cipher comp because no ffa" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the linked item earlier is from when asciilifeform dug out and studied koch's proposed sidechannel countermeasure. proclaimed it nonsensical and useless, and bit the bullet, 'must bignum from scratch.'
mircea_popescu: whatever happened of that march 2016 promised cs implementation candidate cipher ?
mircea_popescu: heh! so many hopes, so little time...
mircea_popescu: "The S.NSA entry is to be an implementation based on Cramer-Shoup. As it turns out, Cramer-Shoup has never been publicly implemented by anyone, at all."
mircea_popescu: was this jan/feb 2016 or different period ?
asciilifeform: ( clearly marked in the src per se, likewise, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mpi_second_cut#L5350 )
asciilifeform: incidentally the work was reported in s.nsa broadcasts. sanitized-mpi is a s.nsa product.
mircea_popescu: this is quite true.
asciilifeform: i will stand and say, asciilifeform did exactly the Right Thing, prepared , with proper care wartime ersatz ( mpi ) for if ( as turned out to be the case ) proper item ( ffa ) takes years.
mircea_popescu: leaving the mpi_second_cut as the basic root for further/other work also.
mircea_popescu: going to construct a v tree (on the basis of her sig) that builds into eulora crypto lib.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mpi&search= << it's in there, that's what it is.
asciilifeform: will say 'ah but subjectively! it OUGHTA have taken you 5min'
asciilifeform: will argue that for mpi asciilifeform did 'no work' ?
mircea_popescu: a then, that's getting patched.
mircea_popescu: i expect it'll be patched into mpi. which she's going to also sign to genesis. sorta like how i signed mp-wp, and unlike how you didn't genesis it, or did you ?
mircea_popescu: yes, well, there's no practical way to negotiate ad hoc two such copies if indeed they exist. logical move is to syncronize by patience, wait for it to appear see if it's any good.
asciilifeform: if the item actually ends up (as it appears to be going) in eulora, imho is the proper thing to do, rather than 'source is this-here paste'
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- i see no impediment ; or can wait for diana_coman 's published item on her blog sign then if happy, or.
mircea_popescu: why didn't you even yesterday is the more productive question here. what exactly changed since today ?
asciilifeform: i'm quite willing to sign the copy which i personally studied, even today
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between socializing (which yes, is the free exchange of valuable bits of knowledge / information) and work (which is the DIRECTED etc)
asciilifeform: went through a gigatonne of liquishit, to find.
mircea_popescu: however. if i don't have a neck to squeeze when something blows up no work was in fact done. that's the writing/reading distinction, code is enacted by reading, in the speciffic v sense of the term.
asciilifeform: somehow the 'i dug up an algo, by apparently sane author, and determined that it runs in constant time' -- not work ?
mircea_popescu: it is not to say that one (me, s.mg, diana_coman, everyone) does not benefit immensely from shooting the breeze among the intelligent&educated, as opposed to out in the cold.
asciilifeform: ( supposing this is of interest to anyone. )
mircea_popescu: see, here's the problem : work === "hey mp, here's the genesis & tree for the crypto item eulora needed ; now as to s.nsa's fee...". !work is anything-not-that, including ~very helpful~ side comments.
asciilifeform: i'm quite willing to genesis it to attest to the origin of the item from my personal archive.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 15:35 asciilifeform: fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
asciilifeform: afaik not yet signed. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726147 is where the item was communicated. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but did you sign this somewhere.
asciilifeform: i cannot attest to the strength ( afaik nobody can ) but can to the constanttimeitude, for instance.
mircea_popescu: is this a patch or a genesis ?
asciilifeform: in the properly-read sense.
mircea_popescu: didja read it in the proper sense, or in the "no obligations" sense ?
mircea_popescu: it is actually possibru she's going to use a signed item by you ? though i dun recall this being mentioned
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 16:58 asciilifeform since release of FUCKGOATS, spent much time studying 'serpent' block cipher.
mircea_popescu: this is the iffy part with "work", that it bears definitions that often diverge from what subjective feeling's like.
asciilifeform: i dun propose that this constitutes a 'winning contest entry'. but take exception to the 'no work.'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 17:48 asciilifeform: in particular: no tables.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform read it, originally. and described why it ought to be considered, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591995 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: who wrote it is of no consequence, that pointer will be permafixed as NIL.
mircea_popescu: the situation thereby is that the serpent to be used in eulora ORIGINATES with diana_coman , its reader.
mircea_popescu: no but see, we use different terminology. i do not assign anything to "code written". the source of code, to my eyes, is he in the wot who has read it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as in, the code per se
asciilifeform: from where did eulora get the snippet currently in use ?
a111: Logged on 2015-01-17 22:38 asciilifeform: or, alternatively, like the choice of 'aes' over the stronger but 'slower' 'serpent' cipher, it was merely orders from lizardhitler.
mircea_popescu: no work has not yet been the avenue to winning.
mircea_popescu: there's a whole train of "here's some efortless stuff" in there, if you've noticed, "x could be used [but i shall do no work]".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not declare the serpent author the winner ?
mircea_popescu: i put a comment in ; seared with hot irons, and hopefully alongside the indolence and self-indulgent idiocy of all days to come.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 15:19 mircea_popescu: in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:30 asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform will submit ffa.rsa to be judged in mircea_popescu's symm cipher contest, supposing the latter is still running
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745676 << if you mean http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/ the point of it was specifically so as to have a tmsr item to put into http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726131 ; as that failed and we decided to go with serpent, the only possible closure to that offer is that the republic failed to deliver. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other improbable things, https://www.frolicon.com/index.php
phf: there was a hairy bug in search, that didn't consider all the possibilities. though now there's a highlighting issue..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, old man won in teh supreme court. travel ban live.
mircea_popescu: captive ball slingshot. like the captive bolt pistol.
mats: oh, thought it was a cock ring
mats: what is this
mircea_popescu: in other "what to do with your human manatee" ideas, https://img1.etsystatic.com/186/0/7005175/il_570xN.1334362571_ob2l.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they had any sense it'd be one addy per email neh
BingoBoingo: davout: Ty
davout: also in case BingoBoingo hasn't already left for the other hemisphere I wish him safe travel!
asciilifeform: ty trinque !
asciilifeform: trinque: plox to make the necessary correction
asciilifeform: in other 1333337lulz, 'Claymore's Dual ETH miner's remote management interface is prone to an unauthenticated remote stack buffer overwrite that can be triggered by simply sending an overly long api request to the management interface resulting in an unbound `(v)sprintf` style buffer overwrite when trying to log to file or console.'
BingoBoingo: lol, looks like new twist on same old shit
mircea_popescu: in ongoing ro lulz : https://www.cotidianul.ro/greu-mai-intelegem/ (basically, the deal seems to be that romania will get ~34k sqkm / 3,5mn or so extra folks in a box labelled "moldavia" in exchange for continued friendship ; the CAER parallels are striking)
mircea_popescu: can watch pronz on terminal.
phf: an example of urls output might be something like this http://btcbase.org/data/urls.txt
asciilifeform: frugal but imho not The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: appears to work
phf: but it's telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
asciilifeform: format is trivial, just a buncha lines of known length, with ordinary newlines; a frame is simply certain # of'em
phf: it funny if you search for star wars ascii telnet second link is youtube
asciilifeform: where was that ascii video thing...
mircea_popescu: where is the vvg!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the principal problem is that no good text formats for video.
phf: yeah, i think that's a bug unrelated to moon language
mircea_popescu: i don't really think it's much of an issue altogether, except for the part where it fails to find a line for ascii search.
phf: i have some idea of how to fix this issue though. for example i can treat characters from certain unicode planes (anything higher than latin-1) as grep
mircea_popescu: aaaah. the bit is a chinese version of that romanian curse the french speaking chick learned phonetically for her role in occident.
phf: it's fundamentally two different approaches, bvulpes's thing relies on a lot of pre-written code that comes with postgresql, mine, for better or for worse, is custom written. the approach that postgresql uses is much more elaborate than what i'm doing. (for example they have explicit lexing phase both for search and for indexing, that takes care of language specific break up of sentences)
phf: sure search_it_form_me(table, tokenize(query))
mircea_popescu: phf http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=%E5%92%8C%E6%88%91%E4%B8%80%E8%B5%B7%EF%BC%8C%E9%82%A3%E6%98%AF%E4%BD%A0%E7%9A%84%E5%A9%8A%E5%AD%90%E6%8E%B4%E4%BD%A0%E8%BF%9B%E7%9B%91%E7%8B%B1%EF%BC%8C%E5%B9%B6%E4%B8%8E%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E7%9A%84%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E7%96%AF%E4%BA%BA%E9%99%A2&c=trilema natively, at that.
mircea_popescu: they have a point. no need to trade === win.
mircea_popescu: so i guess trilema joins thereby the sad legion of hos with tramp stamps.
mircea_popescu: the other problem i'm confronting is that i don't now remember what the chinese even meant.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 19:37 mircea_popescu: totally would love a substitute.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746271 << there's a buncha clones. ( all in heathendom, however ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that didn't occur to me.
phf: this is because word break doesn't understand that 和 and 我 are words and no punctuation is required for breaking it up. there lies dragon territory
phf: but at the same time for whatever reason http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22learned+a+chinese%22
phf: mircea_popescu: i'll investigate a bit the specific mechanics of failure in this case, but there are certain situations where unicode search doesn't necessarily work