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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're cutting bits and pieces of a
thing
then hurting self with
them as a proof
the item was dangerous. item wasn't dangerous as it was, you cut it up into harmful pieces deliberately!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so for my own curiosity : considering
the choice
to
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655064 (i recall a more recent mention but search isn't yielding) has cost you over
the past YEAR
the equivalent of what appears like 118`337 here + whatever
the non-delivery of
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 would have amounted
to (iirc no amt was ever set down ?), are you putting
this down
to a case of bad managem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not very clear
to me how your x=y
things work, BUT, if you had
told me in 2016
that you intend
to delay c-s ada impl by 1-2-n years
to wait for ffa i'd have
told you symmetric cipher really dun need ffa for any reason and eulora won't wait into 2018 for it etc.
trinque: went very well,
thanks! went out
to austin with ben_vulpes and another fellow, had a fine
time.
mircea_popescu: yes but
there's important points
there as
to how
things work.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 15:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, re
the "and
then in
the end
to
take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 :
that discussion was mid and
then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had
to direct s.mg
tech
to CREATE rather
than simply use a cripto lib. for
this reason i don't wish
to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do
the work i wanted it
to do. it's
true
that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
mircea_popescu: both
the "for honor" and "for money" circuits are functional and actually functioning. needn't be confused randomly.
mircea_popescu: item, which is generically useful, and in exchange it gets paid with
the exact sort of intangibles and goodwill
these sorts of intellectual leadership moves warrant and generally attract -- for example by s.mg being married
to 100% of its product line
to date as a deliberate move ; and being very inclined
to consider its isp offering when
that comes online (is it coming online btw ?) and such
things.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:17 asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather
than
the peculiar ritual of having a contest,
then
to proclaim
the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and
then in
the end
to
take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, re
the "and
then in
the end
to
take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 :
that discussion was mid and
then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had
to direct s.mg
tech
to CREATE rather
than simply use a cripto lib. for
this reason i don't wish
to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do
the work i wanted it
to do. it's
true
that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: on which basis i predict
there shall be moar облом in
the future.
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing
the question's not yet ripe for addressing.
mircea_popescu: or i guess is it
the idea
that "even had i worked full
time, it'd still not have been quite enough" ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 04:54 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform couldn't even sell 1 btc in here in usgistan, even if wanted
to.
mircea_popescu: ent of your own
time on your part (ie, wasted it in fiatlands instead of using it productively in
the republic) ? or is it a case of on
the contrary, judicious use of your
time ("the republic'd have made me rich but empire made me richer still") ? or is it out and out, deliberately learned helplessness in
the vein of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744043 (as recurrent
throughout logs) ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since
the nsa consulting work for minigame is going
to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea
to have an ~ada~
tmsr crypto lib.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-12 03:06 asciilifeform:
this
type of
thing is called 'day job', and it so happens
that i already have one
mircea_popescu: yes ; but can you appreciate how ffa is a lot more apt for
tmsr-rsa
than for a simm cipher ?
mircea_popescu: but
the man who decides
to pursue pure research and is annoyed
that industry meanwhile makes money is in a very strange mental space.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well no, you could've alternatively delivered eulora-crypto, btmsr cipher, etcetera. evidently hindsight is more informative
than foresight, and i'm not even saying you should have or anything.
mircea_popescu: when you
think "hey, ima do
the right
thing, spend
two years making ffa" you make some decisions.
they're fine and good, inasmuch as
they're yours. but
to be decisions,
they're
the choice of something over something else.
mircea_popescu: but
this outlook is a luxury,
the prime luxury of life, in fact
mircea_popescu: not
that i'm particularly concerned, myself. i'm rich enough
to not specifically care
to monetize work ;
trilema can be free for all i care, and i'm more
than happy
to minor partner with a view
to a very long
term.
mircea_popescu: the more concerning point is
that ~ mircea_popescu ~ has
to date made 0 btc out of all
the support work he put into asciilifeform 's projects!!!
mircea_popescu: well, you enjoy
the freedom
to work under your own direction, and a major proportion of all
the gains
this work produces.
mircea_popescu: well i mean...
there's an over-time
tendency for btc bounties nominal value
to decrease and for
their fiat value
to increase.
this is normal, as
the item grows.
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't
the payinbg.
the problem is
the workdoing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this is nonsense ; i even paid for you know, legal footwork if you recall.
mircea_popescu: the deeper problem here is
that
the evolution of warfare has rendered a symmetric cipher useless. for
the launch codes or how you call it we're mostly in consensus
to use pure rsa, if memory serves, and for
the prattle of eg game server, serpent will do.
mircea_popescu: the implication isn't "but instead sat" necessarily. you
take
this altogether very personally, but
there's a good dozen "crypto experts" opining importantly in
the comment section
there.
mircea_popescu: well,
they don't yet need it for anything. at least mentally. aanyways.
mircea_popescu: (nothing in crypto is useful, either, which severely limits
the rng uptake apparently -- if your crypto dun work anyway what need is rng item or somesuch)
mircea_popescu: evidently nothing in crypto is useful without rng ; what's
this
to do with anything ?
mircea_popescu: actually it was written with a view
to having
the bounty paid
to nsa. it's just nsa had
to actually do some
things.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the point re "it's unfortunate
that open ended
terms, such as one's own life, and other
things, end up quite closed
termed in
the end" is sound. yes it's quite unfortunate, and rather regrettable. nevertheless, it's how it goes ; if i knew better in feb 2016 i'd have said "this'll be open for a coupla years". as it happens, i didn't know any better in 2016.
mircea_popescu: but
that discussion was re absent submission
to cipher contest ; not re your work making
the ffa item you came
to
the conclusion is generally necessary.
mircea_popescu: in general i expect it is made for ~any purpose. be it rsa, c-s, or yes,
tetris.
mircea_popescu: or in better
terms :
the conversation could have been carried in 2016, in
the
terms of "here's what
the future looks like, wut do" rather
than end-of-2017 in
the
terms of "here's what i don't like about how
the past looks".
mircea_popescu: it does however not answer "where
the hell was
the discussion of s.nsa's march 2016 promise wrt february 2016 cipher contest".
mircea_popescu: or,
to state it conversely, waiting copulation upon
the perfect erection will result in a very old virgin bride, AT
THE MOST. generally it will result in divorce.
mircea_popescu: the item doesn't even exist implemented at all! still
today, as
then. lego blocks implementation would beat
this situation.
mircea_popescu: think of how proteins work in
the body, it's exactly
the same
thing.
mircea_popescu: otherwise
the result is
that you leave it unsignalled for a coupla years and it dies out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, because
they have
to attach
to
the item, so
the item can
then be followeds.
mircea_popescu: but
the specific sequence is required,
that's what communication is,
that's how signalling works. "actually... i was going
to do x for y, but can't, and won't before z".
that's gotta be -- either in
the comment section of
the linked march 2016 report, or in
the comment section of
the linked contest, or i guess unideally here. but explicitly.
mircea_popescu: the important parts in order of importance : 1) distress call ("god damned it") ; 2. failure discussion "i can't do
this c-s i was going
to do for
the cipher comp".
these must be present as
teh header.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:34 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 <<
timing can be 'ceilinged' and it solves problem. but i am still chewing on
the problem of enemy being able
to determine who is speaking
to whom by deriving
the public keys. (this is
trivial with rsa, and i've been working on answering
the q of whether is is also
true for c-s)