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BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes << Living in the hostel, you observe this a lot.
lobbes: right. right. bah okay. I got work to do on my archive-related shit anyway
trinque: this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform .
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 << I still think that this assumption, which you seem to be basing your current actions on, is a flawed assumption. But whatever, I'll still tune in to (and try to assist with, if assistance wanted) whatever asciilifeform (and ben_vuples mod6 and co.) produce. A split republic is still better than none as far as my individual fitness is concerned. Just... dumb. ☝︎
lobbes: Dick-pulling aside, it seems there is Schism 2.0 happening (which I think is fucking retarded but okay). Are there going to be two republics now or wat? This goes beyond a mere ISP, hence hard to enumerate the future.
mod6: Stand-by, we're trying to get that communicaiton out now. I'm reading the things.
asciilifeform: indeed it would be strange for anyone to subscribe, without knowing what is offered, for howmuch.
diana_coman: mod6 I support tmsr isp but atm I am at a loss as to what it is and how to actually support it
mod6: This is the moment when you affirm your support, or you do not, and throw your hat in the ring to take the reigns from mod6. ☟︎
mod6: But I'll not sit by and watch a bunch of in-fighting embarrass all the hardwork and effort we've put in. I'd rather burn out, than fade away.
mod6: I'll repeat myself: If you want a republic to exist, and you believe the foundation to be a good thing, support us. I've given seven years. Maybe it's time for someone who knows better than ole mod6.
diana_coman: I for one will certainly wait patiently for the bbisp communications when they come
diana_coman: mod6, don't take this the wrong way
mod6: diana_coman, hanbot, same offer stands to you as well.
trinque: asciilifeform: so then read the last 10-15 lines and try to see what trinque's gesturing at
mod6: <+trinque> I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. << Ok, well let me know if you want to. I'm ready to step down and take my leave of all of this.
asciilifeform: trinque: i must confess that -- nope
trinque: how do you rub the dog's nose in the shit?
trinque: asciilifeform: see how I told you one thing, and you tried to misdirect me with another? or no?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender. ☟︎
trinque: holy shit, the sudden influx of offers
asciilifeform: ( then possibly mp&friends would be more interested in a subscription..)
asciilifeform: trinque: to crib of mod6's idea earlier, you could additionally (or alternatively) buy my share of isp.
trinque: I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more.
mod6: trinque: I think you'd be a suitable replacement for me.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i cannot offer anything with which to disagree.
trinque: so reform. take your texan short fuse and lengthen, or what, wrong file, sorry. ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the only way I can follow that is as purely ideal "republic as a notion" etc. perhaps true but not particularly... effective let's say
asciilifeform: trinque: the flavour of 'emo' is unfortunate, but i for instance have an oath to mp that i have not been released from. and is the only reason i am still tuned in. the disposition of snsa after asciilifeform's pending anathemization , is a strictly practical matter, rather than 'pulled dick' thread.
diana_coman: mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked? ☟︎
trinque: asciilifeform got thonked on his head because he has emotional walls which repel certain categories of correction
mod6: trinque: would you like to take over my spot as Co-Chairman to the Bitcoin Foundation?
trinque: gotta say this dick-pulling soup, sharing of our feelings, and etc., is tiresome.
lobbes: perhaps, but why not delay the death part of the death-rebirth cycle
asciilifeform: lobbes: but do they ? the old serene republic, of venice, died to a man. and here we are, picking up the weapons ☟︎
lobbes: as no one will understand how to use; "hammer in nails with mircoscope"-ism
lobbes: without the ideology to teach future generations, what good are the tools
trinque: republic's a social mechanism. kid with his toys by himself is not a republic
trinque: I don't see that at all
asciilifeform: shinohai: one strength of the republic is that it will continue to exist even if there is only 1 d00d left, even in a burning tank where only the gun still worx.
mod6: diana_coman: I don't see how a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs a fresh start.
shinohai: I admit to have suffered dejection in past couple of days which had me questioning the future of Republic, but honestly, what else is there?
asciilifeform: lobbes: my work will continue to be published in the familiar place where it was published previously. not very hard to find. and folx who wish to discuss it, will be able to do so in my 'castle' ( #loper-os if mp amicably un-squats the fleanode login; otherwise a new one, to-be-announced )
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it.
diana_coman: fwiw mod6 how do you then square "could not be bothered with" with -> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 ;it's one thing to say "I don't want to hold your hand" and another thing to say "I don't want to have anything to do with you" ☝︎
lobbes: diana_coman has it I think; why "split" resources when moar brains = stronger republic
lobbes: can regain again, what! You contribute a lot, that does not evaporate
lobbes: asciilifeform: did he ask, though? Your work doesn't need to -end- just because delorded, or excluded from specific flight etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: a painfully pedantic description of the new isp will be published. and available for commentary.
diana_coman: mod6, yes, mommy is one thing but not the only thing
mod6: diana_coman: All of this is in the logs, and on trilema "Don't have time to be a mommy", et. al.
diana_coman: as lobbes points out there are valuable resources in the forum, even if now reduced; not using them looks weird let's say
asciilifeform: lobbes: i have enough respect for mircea_popescu to respect his decisions; when he does not want to coauthor with somebody, there is no reason why he oughta have to. and so when he asks for asciilifeform's resignation as snsa cto, i will give it to him.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160
mod6: If the notion, ``there is no future for the republic without an isp'' (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471) holds true, and mircea_popescu, hanbot, and diana_coman wish to see the Republic continue, we should all be putting aside differences to further the Republic. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:17 mod6: The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784451 <- I fail to quite follow this reading of events tbh; and in any case "running it ourselves" does not mean nor does it have to be "in isolation" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:51 lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
lobbes: Not just ISP venture, but Republic as a whole. A mind with experience like mircea_popescu's comes along very infrequently. I.e. "resources" in my earlier comment refer to moar than just capital >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784360 ☝︎
mod6: On a personal note, regarding "patience and support", I want to let it be known that it will be very hard if not impossible to make the ISP venture a success without the support of specficially, mircea_popescu, hanbot, diana_coman - and ``Minigame''. We need your business here.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along. ☟︎
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu i would like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552625 << these -- back plox. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: if that's not enough time, please to speak up asap
trinque: ben_vulpes: I can comform my shopping to your schedule. When does it need to arrive?
ben_vulpes: great. here's my address http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/couvJ/?raw=true when can you get the box to me?
mod6: Our plan is to publish what are plan is, we're working on that literally, right now. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: trinque: do you still want that slot?
trinque has spoken to ben_vulpes about having a box on the first provisioning run
asciilifeform: trinque: might you be interested in becoming the first subscriber ?
mod6: Are you speaking to me, trinque?
trinque thinks this is a fine thing
mod6: So, we're working on it. And I am seriously discouraged by the line of commentary in here, as opposed to support.
mod6: We don't have all of the details sorted out as of yet -- and keep in mind it has been TWO DAYS, since we even contemplated this. TWO DAYS.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, at the same time, took it upon himself to go and repair the item mp has proclaimed that he had broken, at own labour and (considerable) expense.
mod6: The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 06:48 hanbot: speaking of that wednesday, it's rather incredible how little discussion there is on the matter, especially considering http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160
mod6: Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: he's the executed kind.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral.
asciilifeform: don't feel sad, trinque , remember that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570104 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570105 . ☝︎☝︎
trinque: doubtful that also, or wouldn't be asked of so much.
mod6: <+hanbot> meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs? << Hi hanbot. Let me try to answer here.
asciilifeform: if you ask the d00d, i fail at moar or less errything, lol
trinque: I don't know, don't like to speak for people either.
asciilifeform: trinque: i enjoyed having mp as a coauthor, making phuctor, FG, various other pieces. but i cannot give the man what he wants, at the rate at which he wants it, this is unfortunate but fact.
trinque: hopefully you and mircea_popescu can resolve this one
trinque: don't want to repeat past mistakes
trinque: I recall one time I got pissy and tripled down on political strife over nothing.
asciilifeform: ready to be anathemized with asciilifeform , trinque ?
trinque: I am not tarnishing my reputation by the wallet operating as anything other than a mechanism.
asciilifeform: what will trinque do ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and suppose mp specifically orders trinque to modify it.
trinque: the thing works here, in pm, w/e
asciilifeform: hanbot: i do not enjoy to overstay my welcome where not wanted. mp and you invited me in 2013 to the party, can just as rightfully uninvite .
asciilifeform: with this in mind : ben_vulpes + mod6 : when you reimburse me this week please do not make use of trinque's walletron. trinque is quite dear to me but it is my current understanding that my trinquewallet will cease to function when i am formally anathemized , and i do not want any coin to become trapped in it.
asciilifeform: hanbot: understand that one of the things i ~like~ about mp, is that he doesn't slide back on things. so hole or no hole , it is what it is.
hanbot: meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs?
hanbot: sten. it's not a pretty place, and i have no idea why you'd want to live there.