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mircea_popescu: i need better indexing, and i don't know how
the fuck
to make it ;/
mircea_popescu: notrly.
that's kinda
the problem, lotta good stuff kinda-related, but
there was one specific fucking item.
mircea_popescu: and now i can't fucking find
the core reference of
this discussion, whether it was on
trilema or in
the log i don't remember, but it examined how would i have evaluated
the eventual utility of $item at early stage, and made
the point indeed very well.
BingoBoingo: The strongest cockcage is
the one
that lives in
the redditard hea
mircea_popescu: and in general,
the cockcages are optional, even if misrepresented as mandatory by mommy.
mircea_popescu: it is not written upon reality
that it must endure forever, let it mind it's own fucking affairs and endure if it has
the mettle ; nor was any penguin born with a certified license
to eternal life. let
them learn how
to forge and fire cannon or let
them get
the fuck off
the evolutionary
tree.
mircea_popescu: also, if nuclear weapons ended
the world in 1970 ~good for
them~, and if
the supercollider "ended reality" in
the 2010s (as various imbeciles proposed as a valid reason "not
to do it" all over
the oh-so-useful-and-valuable "science press"), GOOD FOR IT.
mircea_popescu: now, it's evident where
this misrepresentation of intellectual process comes from --
the inept notion of caregivers kid should be "responsible". kid shouldn't be nor is responsible in
that sense ; if one of my girls sets
the house on fire
through unforeseen effect of reasonable application of item, she may feel guilty as a residual side effect of
the sexual abuse her parents and broader society put her
through, but she won't
mircea_popescu: sense,
the sense whereby
the enemy can't rely on freinds within
the walls.
mircea_popescu: and
the issue repeats with questions, "i don't know what question
to ask such
that
the response puts me in full control of everything" is not a valid mapping for "i don't know what questions
to ask". you've seen me n
times ask questions ~about
the
thing~, ie,
to allow
the
thing
to be illuminated, irrespective of whether
they "help" me
to anything. cuz i don't care about myself ~in
this sense~. i care about myself in
the other
mircea_popescu: by forcing an answer
to a question you're not in a position
to answer ("is
this useful y/n") you end up baking incorrectness into your
tree, which
then can be relied on by further incorrectness coming down
the line for support.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various
things
that interest me on
the basis of reading
trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of
thge say your understanding of sbcl on
the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from
this kind of interaction, but here's what
that means :
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839 a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 14:26 spyked: but as it is, I could only ask stupid questions such as "what's wrong with modelling
this using petri nets". or any other simpler method.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:39 shinohai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796166 <<< I
think
the
time for grace has passed, and if it isn't clear enough already I won't be wasting anymore
time participating in Republican affairs since obviously I have nothing else
to contribute. I did, in fact, offer
to help you add
the gribble functions
to your bot or share my version of
the plugins (Which incidentally, don't require any of
the stuff you
mircea_popescu: trade wars, dood,
the first step of "governments" coming
to
terms with malthusian shock (also known as "when
the ideology of abundance runs ashore on
the jagged rocks of reality")
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack
too many includes
to engage in a proper discussion on
this. and sifting
through
the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine
tactics. and I've wandered
through such rabbit holes for
the last 4 years.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 08:11 avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as
the "i'm a good politician
that will enforce
the ---good--- policy but
to enforce
this i'll need
to
take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796214 << yes, except for
the part where "hashrate is gonna protect you".
the whole POINT of
taking some of
the information OUT of
the blockchain is
to
try and reduce
the protection of hashrate, and make everyone dependent on protection by non-hashrate. which is WHY
this is usg move against bitcoin. i don't need no stinking fuckwit
to "help me", and i don't care why he
thinks i do. i know wh
☝︎ spyked: anyway, I can see mircea_popescu's point re "but unlike gossipd,
this broken implementation exists!". but unlike, say, Bitcoin, which, broken implementations or not, I can understand by going
to
the sources,
this I can't, at least not without getting myself deep into
the slime pit.
☟︎ spyked: asciilifeform, indeed. I inevitably got reminded of
the noise
thread when stumbling upon: "WireGuard,
the secure network
tunnel, uses an interesting Diffie-Hellman authenticated key exchange protocol based on NoiseIK, [...]". so. yeah, "interesting" indeed.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:07 asciilifeform:
the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features
the classic leper's bell of nsa committee ,
the null-cipher
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:02 asciilifeform:
the other lul in
the 'noise protocol' is
the use of symmetric ciphers
spyked: but as it is, I could only ask stupid questions such as "what's wrong with modelling
this using petri nets". or any other simpler method.
☟︎ spyked: aha. I would add
that I for one would gladly read even informal, less rigorous proofs, provided
they helped me understand
the protocol and
the underlying knowledge. also am ok with "this automated
thing is
the mobility aid we use for
the brain, and it works
this way"; (and ftr, I looked over
the
tamarin and got stuck "symbolic model" and other obscure
terms).
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:14 spyked: etc. otherwise
this all looks like word salad.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:14 spyked: anyway, I'd be happy
to read a version of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series)
that explicitly references or otherwise explains all
the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model
this in
tamarin, gtfo, install it and read
the proof it generates". I want
to be able
to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in
their universe, wtf is a "message deduction
theory"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack
too many includes
to engage in a proper discussion on
this. and sifting
through
the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine
tactics. and I've wandered
through such rabbit holes for
the last 4 years.
mod6: Thanks for your patience with me
this past year, #trilema. It's been a long one.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 19:00 lobbes: I attempted
to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock
trying
to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without
tcl apparently)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 06:07 lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai?
There's a way
to step back gracefully
that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't
that way.
shinohai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796166 <<< I
think
the
time for grace has passed, and if it isn't clear enough already I won't be wasting anymore
time participating in Republican affairs since obviously I have nothing else
to contribute. I did, in fact, offer
to help you add
the gribble functions
to your bot or share my version of
the plugins (Which incidentally, don't require any of
the stuff you
☝︎☟︎ spyked: etc. otherwise
this all looks like word salad.
☟︎ spyked: anyway, I'd be happy
to read a version of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series)
that explicitly references or otherwise explains all
the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model
this in
tamarin, gtfo, install it and read
the proof it generates". I want
to be able
to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in
their universe, wtf is a "message deduction
theory"
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:16 mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> (on #wireguard) zx2c4 (the owner, j. donenfeld) : if you're willing
to set
two hours apart on any day of your choosing
to answer wireguard questions on #trilema, i'm willing
to donate 1 btc
to your project. let me know, i'm usually on freenode (this nick).
thanks & gl." << asciilifeform spyked whoever else might care.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack
too many includes
to engage in a proper discussion on
this. and sifting
through
the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine
tactics. and I've wandered
through such rabbit holes for
the last 4 years.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ avgjoe: sorry for
the english,
trying
to understand if i'm getting
the point correctly
avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as
the "i'm a good politician
that will enforce
the ---good--- policy but
to enforce
this i'll need
to
take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the substantial weakness segwit adds
to bitcoin chain security is
that witout it, one needs
the power
to unwind
the chain AND
the keys of old
txn
to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs
the hash power, as anyone can spend
the segwit shit.
avgjoe: thanks for
the segwit discussion, i have just looked in
the logs for "bech32" and it outputs very little
mircea_popescu: running
trb offers a firm guarantee
that you will have your coins perpetually. running
the various usg-sponsored "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" margerine offers a firm guarantee
that a) any
time you spend with
them will be wasted on a long enough
timeline and b) any resources you spend with
them will be worthless on a long enough
timeline. so bear
that in mind.
mircea_popescu: all segwit coins are going
to be eventually unwound.
this is again intentional, and not likely
to change.
mircea_popescu: do not expect
time/effort invested in usg-crap will yield anyhthing but
tears for you.
mircea_popescu: avgjoe
there already is a double standard : 1address bitcoin are bitcoin ; everything else is usg-crap.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
there's a lot for you
to read wrt
to why specifically segwit is a usg-driven attack against bitcoin, and not supported by
the bitcoin foundation. perhaps
the recent
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795944 is a good starting point ; but generally
the logs are your friends, search
them.
☝︎ avgjoe: so
there will never be a double standard with "tier 1 bitcoins" stored in legacy addresses and
tier 2 stored in bech addresses, correct?
avgjoe: i suppose
that is a noob question, but if someone send me btc from a bech32 address
to my
trb legacy address, does
the node ignore
the
tx?
avgjoe: bech32 addresses, how
the node behave?
avgjoe: no, just concerns about investing
time setup it and being able
to use it in
the future
avgjoe: interested in running
trb
lobbes: ssd, for example, is pretty much necessary for
trb nodes
to not fall behind.
lobbes: that also lines up with what I've learned
thus far: hdd - reliability, ssd - speed
ckang: but in
terms of reliablity i have had better luck with spinning rust
lobbes: yeah, I've heard it is
the best
ckang: ah its pretty much
the only brand ive stuck with
ckang: how are
the 860s over
the 850?
lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai?
There's a way
to step back gracefully
that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't
that way.
☟︎ lobbes: I certainly wasn't planning on it being a long-term solution, but I see what you mean. Plus, if I'm burning
time anyways on
this I may as well just learn some lisp and use
the
trinquebot. Have an actual republican item out of
the effort rather
than another pile of stapled dildos >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796013 ☝︎ mircea_popescu adds "Gwenhwyfar ferch Ogrfan Gawr drwg yn fechan, gwaeth yn fawr."
to
the public record, now we even have welsh rhyming slang in here!
mircea_popescu: this expectation
that "if i go out
to clubs enough, eventually i'll meet guyneviere" is fundamentally broken --
the slut's dead.
ckang: yea im not
thinking in absolutes
ckang: and with enough resources and
time (similar
to
the brute-forcing), anything can come up
ckang: but does in
terms of how many eyes and fingers are
trying
to break it
mircea_popescu: generally, more
thought is given
to
the design of airplane cockpits
than of women's shoes, notwithstanding more women wear shoes
than fly airplanes.
mircea_popescu: ckang why do you expect
the usercount makes a difference ?
ckang: which is also a blessing because
the government probably hasn't researched how
to break it either
ckang: im
talking about it from
that perspective
ckang: if you are a security researcher would your
time be better spent on something
that 1 person uses or 100million people use?
mircea_popescu: le
to claim, "we don't know how," since WireGuard makes it so easy. So,
they hired me for a day
to develop and open source a small solution for
their unique use case and odd scenario." for lulz.
mircea_popescu: "It
turns out
that
this strength might actually be a weakness for some. A small commercial VPN provider approached me recently about
the fact
they could see
the allowed IPs mapping easily with WireGuard, whereas with OpenVPN it was hidden deep inside a process
they didn't know how
to debug. "Great," I
thought. Not so fast.
They were concerned
that when compelled
to retrieve
this kind of information,
they would no longer be ab