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asciilifeform: trinque, douchebag : not nearly as permanent as proper tattoo , but low-tech enuff and good for year or 2 -- print a negative and expose under one of those uv lamps that idiots 'suntan' under
trinque: douchebag: if you're wondering for the girls, pubkey ass tattoo is totally feasible
asciilifeform: and somewhere after that i posted a demo
trinque: human-text-sized things
asciilifeform: spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664352 << thread ☝︎
trinque: douchebag: I forget the actual limit, but can always break it up into multiple
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 16:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796253 << if only. bitcoin would fail the exact same tests today. it's built out of windows basically.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796332 <-- but one can, by reading the orig. paper, decompose it into windowses that then can be replaced, e.g. http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ . granted, it took me years to peel off the layers of understanding and I'm still not quite there yet, but this is completely different from $formal_verification_devoid_of_meaning. ☝︎
douchebag: hey trinque
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:43 mircea_popescu: and do me a favour -- not in this lambasting tone!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 15:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796242 << this is a problem of how you phrase your questions. see, the fundamental, and apparently enduring, cockroach here is that you have an "in-control" mental model you won't diverge from, and it is disabling for your mental process in the following way : you judge "you can't contribute" arbitrarily, and damagingly, in the exact sense contemplated in http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796272 <-- I'ma examine this cockroach. but tbh, it may be that it's just difficult to be constructive in a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796086 way. for all I know, the thing could be modellable in a simpler way, only they never considered this. imho serious (yet not at all helpful) question if they ever tune in. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794067 << ave1 your FG went out (again!) today . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 15:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << the whole thing is phrased as "asking questions". one can never be in a rabbit hole so deep they can't ask questions. it's not your job to make any determination, so why stress.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796265 <-- hey, no stress at all, I (out of curiosity) explored the verification $thing down to the 2nd level of "rabbit hole" and found nothing there worth being scrutinized. going deeper might reveal some questions, but I'm not gonna go sharpen the machete for "crypto protocols" jungle just to get there. ☝︎
spyked: yeah, zappa is famous among others for having written some of the "most difficult to interpret songs ever". he then started arranging for sequenced instruments (e.g. synclavier), which rendered the whole idea of "difficult to interpret" useless. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAd6pC633A (late? baroque compositions arranged for synclavier)
shinohai: Ye fucked their asses all out the first 2 times I woulda have thought.
mircea_popescu: someone should do a complete zappa colection, incidentally. he's one of the few worthy of the naggum treatment.
spyked: the more civilized (i.e. fulla overeducated shitheads, to quote zappa) the country, the greater the fury.
mircea_popescu: saturn_ you just ready ? i'm about to take off.
mircea_popescu: ah the importance of civilised countries.
spyked: at some point I should write about how I stumbled upon Loper OS and got pissed off at all computing and started reading the (at the time #b-a) logs. spoiler alert: I was not in ro at the time, but stuck in "civilized" country, which made me even more furious.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-strange-case-of-the-red-stapler-and-other-related-stories/ << the year in question.
spyked: owow, that was 2016. took me a year to /join. :\
douchebag: mircea_popescu is the man who handles that
saturn_: im here to show my tits hehe
trinque: mircea_popescu: still doesn't want to talk to me on either
mircea_popescu: read the logs, too. a lot of better stuff than just hodling.
maximian: k thx
maximian: mpex.biz is the correct url?
mircea_popescu: well, proxies went away recently ; working on getting some back for teh ppls.
maximian: so what happened to mpex?
mircea_popescu: trinque try yet again ?
maximian: after S.DICE, I just went into HODL mode and have been mostly enjoying the runup in BTC price
maximian: so I’ve been out of the loop for a long time
a111: Logged on 2017-09-21 05:03 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.
lobbes: Ah here be relevant thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716536 ☝︎
lobbes: Re: process restarter, I ended up using a method trinque suggested (in logs somewhere but no time to dig): essentially the bot gets started as a child process to the parent proccess
mircea_popescu: no such thing can exist, on either score, and for the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: ely equivalent to "let an ultralarge integer be defined as that integer which is larger than all irrational numbers."
mircea_popescu: but since i've mentioned good, let it be stated that "Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,'" is a self-contradictory definition, entir
shinohai: I seem to have acquired a fan that likes pinging it to death or something. Got to read logs deeper
ben_vulpes: shinohai: why does it go down, typicallY/
shinohai: In fact, I was the one that recommended a solution to lobbes, re: process restarting.
shinohai: Don't want to use process restarter on this box ben_vulpes ... if it goes down I'd rather know why. I don't really trust atlantic anymore tbh
mircea_popescu: we spit on laptopism for some reason we spit on motherhood : to avoid naive heyleeecxen from getting stuck in the glue trap.
mircea_popescu: i have special electrics installed in cars to power laptops.
asciilifeform: and i will note , folx like to spit on laptopism, but it is a necessary evil, and asciilifeform for one would like to have a reasonably lappy one day that doesn't weigh 3kg and doesn't eat a 150bux battery erry 3months
shinohai: shinohai plans on doing same things he always does anyway, with or without here.
shinohai: I dont want to bring the old bot back tbh, new one isn't finished. But will log into shell and restart for the 500th time shortly
asciilifeform: shinohai: i like tl866 verymuch. yes it worx.
asciilifeform: shinohai: welcome back to the doing-things club btw
shinohai: got the Signstek TL866CS so I assume will work
asciilifeform: shinohai: then you'll need only coffee.
asciilifeform: shinohai: the box is readily available in shops in usa also.
mircea_popescu: obviously, the fiction wank is just the same item cycled. but there was a. .. science-fashionabilia in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: i was denoting that historical event, cca 1983 iirc
shinohai: Found those too: https://www.amazon.com/Chromebook-C101PA-DB02-Quad-Core-Lightweight-Touchscreen/dp/B075KFFMZS
asciilifeform: shinohai: and in coupla days there will be a ready gentoo image you can try an' download
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, the thing that got all the inept "science" press hot and bothered in the 80s, and nosnense such as hal 9000 / space odissey etc (ie, the first iteration of "lesswrong" wankery) was a demonstration by sussman & goode that "you can have artificial brains growing in the same way as real ones", ie, neural networks that algorithmically expand
asciilifeform: shinohai: try the c101pa
shinohai: ah kk, I have opportunity to purchase new equipment ... would like an arm device to gentoo
asciilifeform: how much the chipset differs, i do not know, i have neither one currently , simply no time
shinohai: While asciilifeform is here on subj of rockchips, is this the type of tablet you referred to a few days prior? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-C201-Chromebook-Rockchip-Lotus/dp/B01EGBAR4W
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone wrote a good post mortem for the self-replicating neural network ? i mean, hal 9000 and all that bs, iue fictional retellings. but the actual story ? no interest among the science-fiction set ?
asciilifeform: in principle there's no reason why every single board needs clock, so long as owner is friends with somebody who does have clock, in same rack
BingoBoingo: I see no need at present. I just imagine ways the board could be pimped. Since it lacks rtc clock, why not go for great rtc clock in Rockchip workstation spec.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have used minsky instead, sussman is a) still extant and b) kinda moved away from ai in the idyllic sense towards more practical applications IE SOLD OUT!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo it can be in the next crate , if you can describe why we need one
asciilifeform: tho to be fair , sussman also never ran apache.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hesitate to say 'epic', it suffers from slower-than-you-probably-used-to disk access , even with very spiffy usb3 flashes , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793523 see also ☝︎
asciilifeform: FG pricing, i am leaving to the biznis genius of ben_vulpes & mod6 currently
mircea_popescu: had sussman known how to make an ai in the first place.
mircea_popescu: by now this is an epic machine, are you kidding me, all sussman would have needed to make an ai
asciilifeform: (4) is perhaps worth expanding on : it is special 'headless' , reclaims the memory that would have been eaten by gpu; also disables keyboard/mouse/HID
asciilifeform: not only sniff test, but , may as well proclaim it here : 1) 6 rockchiptrons are to be installed at pizarro 2) each subscriber gets a clean , asciilifeform-recipe gentoo image to start with 3) 128GB flash by default , upgrades negotiable , talk to ben_vulpes & mod6 4) each machine comes with full kernel src for asciilifeform's custom rockchip kernel recipe
mircea_popescu: yeah this is pretty interesting. should prolly fg the set.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But unlike the rest, it managed to pass several rounds of the alf sniff test
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to be fair, this is true of almost all similar boards on the market
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other noose, asciilifeform found that FG connects to rockchiptron with 10cent straight cable, sans usb << Rockchip workstation just became a lot more interesting
BingoBoingo: If someone want's to write up the failure, may be publishable, but I've got no angle for it other than repeating "stop hitting yourself"
asciilifeform: ( thing has ttl-voltaged serial ports and a ready 5v out )
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that FG connects to rockchiptron with 10cent straight cable, sans usb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my thoughts exactly. the swarm of idiots use non-qntra "press", get reality winnings, non-nsa entropy, get etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey, who am i to complain, the folx who dun feel like paying for 'expensive' FG -- are more than welcome to pay the cost of using js prng etc
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how #trilema actually reads from the other side. "i'm a confused girly with adolescent tits and a pretty smile, did they just tell me to go hang naked by the highway ?!?!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These are blockchain.info style things where they market "all the crypto happens in your browser window"
heyleeecx: well thanks for all the advice but i have to run ttyl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typical 'gox' is moar of a plain paypal / sslism thing, rather than js
mircea_popescu: "* don't take the output of a CSPRNG and pass it through RC4" should have been "don't whiten, fucktard"
BingoBoingo: The lulz are all in that first sentence: "A significant number of past and current cryptocurrency products contain a JavaScript class named SecureRandom(), containing both entropy collection and a PRNG."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pastebin that ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, fear of going to jail is a sign of already being in jail
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's just enough time left before the middle class extinction event that by the time you're coming out, the mass rape of all your sisters that "knew better" would just be getting underway. maybe you can even help one or two.
mircea_popescu: at least then you'd know you're in jail.
heyleeecx: i dont want to go to jail for being a hooker
BingoBoingo: And in Javascript today: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2018-April/015873.html
mircea_popescu: no. i am saying get over yourself, be a truckstop hooker for a few years until the middle class is washed out of your hair, then do what can be done.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing, as there never was such a thing.
mircea_popescu: heyleeecx this whole "something i'm good at" is fairytale dust, they took the "prince charming" item and translated it for the "empowered, hear her roar" girly. now you gotta find a prince-charming-thingtodo ? gimme a break.