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mircea_popescu: as that expression goes, "the smartest tools in the world aren'
t worth diddly squat when applied to a faulty premise"
mircea_popescu: "what sort of foot is this, doesn'
t even crush 100 tons of wood trunks!!!"
mircea_popescu: "wouldn'
t it be cheaper to do it the normal way ?" "what then of all this wood ?" "i dunno, make tootpicks or something"
mircea_popescu: i can'
t be the first person to run gdb over multi-week stretches.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of
http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn'
t even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
phf: i haven'
t, i haven'
t built it in about 2 years, but then i haven'
t installed it on macs in about two years either
phf: i don'
t know where you're getting this info.
phf: yeah, if that ifdef wasn'
t there, the code would've just worked out of the box
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 21:33 asciilifeform: but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won'
t bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won'
t be worth much if you don'
t regularly inhabit that platform
phf: some libc's (specifically in glibc, musl, there's also a custom one in busybox. presumably cygwin/mingw comes with a glibc derivative), but that shouldn'
t be used directly. PeterL's patch is not needed on linux/freebsd/apple.
mircea_popescu: and also the "oh but mp, that's not the EXACT specific narrowly defined line" isn'
t permissible either. a "doctor" who can'
t equalize a molar transform is no fuckinfg doctor, i don'
t care how he thinks chemistry "is not properly part of doctorhood"
BingoBoingo: I am unsure if I have been mosquito bit here. I don'
t think they like the bus fumes
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:18 BingoBoingo: Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren'
t pete_dushenski
BingoBoingo: Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren'
t pete_dushenski
☟︎ mod6: After looking at PeterL's blogpost, was curious if there had been any consideration into if a manifest file should grow up or down (i.e. newest change first, or newest change last in the file). This is purely a cosmetic thing, I suppose it would be up to the author too. Probably why trinque didn'
t touch on this in the post either
http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn'
t be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn'
t be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
☟︎ Mocky: phf, good info, thanks. looks like cheapest flight in august is bouncing around $1250 to $1350, haven'
t seen the $1150 sighting again. If I push it out past labor day looks like $950
Mocky: really? i guess I shouldn'
t be surprised
mircea_popescu: if you don'
t like that behaviour, don'
t use that thing which necessitates it.
mircea_popescu: no, because machine memory is alwayus the limit. all compiler has to do is simply say the (correct) "sorry, i can;
t help you here", and allocate all available memory for stack.
mircea_popescu: no, i understand that part. what i don'
t understand is why is it a problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 13:53 phf: interfaces.c is not a libc concern, it's an ffi. the situation is that C can'
t be linked to an Ada, even if the C part has _no libc_ in it
mircea_popescu: well, evidently you won'
t get a software disk out of a diskless system.
mircea_popescu: this isn'
t even gendered in any sense. thousand mile stare etc.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot don'
t these sound like some epic hats ? << lol, that they do. the question is, wtf is a "puttplug"?
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834927 << i'd not distribute anything but trb patches to allcomers ~already~; if i made a useful thing i'd trivially share the source for it with l1 and rely on y'alls judgement as to whom to further share it with but i wouldn'
t concern myself with preventing leaks-to-kloinkers. beyond that, i share certain specific source with a subset of my own l1 and no further, with a
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:55 phf: well lispworks has capi, that doesn'
t have an non-proprietary equivalent, so if your work requires any kind of gui, you're stuck with some very dodgy solutions (in the early days i even used emacs/slime as a gui backed by ccl)
mircea_popescu: phf i was talking about the "collected people who use lisp" as a roomful there. and i very much doubt you can'
t reproduce anything you effectually use. of course, couldn'
t vs wouldn'
t distinction.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1836056 << i also don'
t have means of reproducing the majority of physical objects i use, including the machine my tools run on. i have to ask is that a hypothetical roomfull or we're talking #trilema specifically?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:46 phf: are you talking in the context of tmsr, or your commercial work? i had both of them bought at some point, back in my common lisp consulting days it was a no brainer, the cost was always a small fraction of the contract, but the technical advantage immense. but then i don'
t have the source code for many things that i make my food with
BingoBoingo: I can'
t wait for the congress critter that start getting prosecuted as British and German agents by the Trumpreich
mircea_popescu: "how come these doods my age don'
t need to carry 50lbs of shit to be here?"
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact that they gotta go to a market exactly like the women, under heavy guard and always letting daddy know where they are doesn'
t AT ALL percolate through brain.
mircea_popescu: somehow the point where some people are regularly handing them their ass with a handful of camel shit doesn'
t at all raise.
mircea_popescu: anyway. sorta thing used to be a lot more of a problem back in ye olde days before democracy (ie, fifty or so years ago). "what do you mean in spite of all this equipment wasted on my stupid ass i still aren'
t all that cool ?!" used to be the jew boy lament.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 14:23 mircea_popescu: "oh, evidently our model doesn'
t work, so let's make it % rather than absolute". "yes fuckwit, because these aren'
t tools, and their use need no justification. they're just toys, for you to play with, oh don'
t use the scalpel, use the tweezer like thing, looks like this is more of a pull together than a cut apart thingee".
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, how washington dc scam peddles its sad oils, isn'
t it ?
mircea_popescu: "programming computers" also doesn'
t work "in a straightforward way". man with wooden stick gets nowhere.
phf: well, that's where the parallel breaks down, because renting software doesn'
t work in a straightforward way. hence all the secrecy with source code and nda's
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 17:27 mircea_popescu: of course, most of this "money" isn'
t much more substantial than the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling through their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-17 00:02:23: <mircea_popescu> i can'
t believe income tax for 100k a year is <20%.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:27:14: <mircea_popescu> what would you need to quit that dumb shit and dedicate yourself full time to making eulora client that doesn'
t suck ass ?
mircea_popescu: phf and the batshit insane situation of "x per y" doesn'
t strike as altogether broken ?
phf: you can request and get an explicit price list, with some sort of all comer common options that worked in the past. all of this is hearsay though, because i wasn'
t the one talking to them when the license was acquired (i was doing mere programming work)
diana_coman: I think it was mentioned at other times too but I don'
t quite recall something else focusing on this or fleshing it out more
phf: my understanding of how they work is that they have some kind of financial goal (say $100k per engagement), they know that usually they can'
t get it upfront, because nobody expects to pay for software, particularly this kind of outlandish numbers. so they have a sit down with you and figure out how you can pay them $100k by other means. taking royalties is one of the possible solutions. of course you can always just meet their price
mircea_popescu: you wouldn'
t credit a maid with a baseball bat in hand that she's "trying to dust the porcelain" and all the shattered fragments about are "accidents", would you ?
phf: i don'
t understand how that's the conclusion, i don'
t see how if it's done badly (which is not quite clear from even what i know, certainly not from log hearsay) it means that it wasn'
t done at all
phf: they don'
t have a pure royalties approach, it's not "well, you'll be making $1mil so you gotta pay us $100k" or similar
phf: vaguely, but i don'
t know how their real model maps into the failure model we're considering
mircea_popescu: "oh, evidently our model doesn'
t work, so let's make it % rather than absolute". "yes fuckwit, because these aren'
t tools, and their use need no justification. they're just toys, for you to play with, oh don'
t use the scalpel, use the tweezer like thing, looks like this is more of a pull together than a cut apart thingee".
☟︎ phf: i suspect spaceprobes people don'
t ever need to start a fresh program either, in a conventional sense
phf: i'm starting to think that maybe it doesn'
t (my memory of logs are hazy on that point, perhaps ave1 mentioned that he's working on getting ffa_calc working), because i believe you're also using interfaces.c at least to declare the types that you get in/out of c system calls
phf: interfaces.c is not a libc concern, it's an ffi. the situation is that C can'
t be linked to an Ada, even if the C part has _no libc_ in it
☟︎ phf: no why? they don'
t have to
phf: well, 100 ln patch to the compiler, because it can'
t be done as a user proggy (e.g. (symbol-value 'foo) triggers a mechanism of some sort, without an indirection)
phf: allegro is batteries included, and if they're not they'll add the batteries for you, so for most practical purposes you don'
t need to fuck with quicklisp and the variety of dodgy quicklisp packages. but allegro generally made a lot of, i don'
t know how to put it, old skill lisp-machine-y decisions to make sure your development experience is superior. instead of being sticklers for the standard, and not venturing outside of it, they kept adding nooks an
phf: well lispworks has capi, that doesn'
t have an non-proprietary equivalent, so if your work requires any kind of gui, you're stuck with some very dodgy solutions (in the early days i even used emacs/slime as a gui backed by ccl)
☟︎ phf: are you talking in the context of tmsr, or your commercial work? i had both of them bought at some point, back in my common lisp consulting days it was a no brainer, the cost was always a small fraction of the contract, but the technical advantage immense. but then i don'
t have the source code for many things that i make my food with
☟︎ phf: but i also don'
t know how you get the source from lispworks, if at all. they have a fixed price list though.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:33 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn'
t 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835681 << in allegro's case the model was (is?) a vendor partnership, they don'
t sell to all comers. you have to have a sit down where you essentially pitch your project to them and work out a payment structure, some combination of buy in, royalties, etc. similar to some of the banking vendors i worked with, like kx
☝︎ diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835801 -> right, I can see that reading although it wasn'
t my point; by "their call" I mean that they get to evaluate (through whatever process, possibly including "what is wrong with you" or anything else) and decide, not that they ignore upfront ; how would ignoring of author even make sense if code is not ignored ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: for which reason i don'
t think we're to take lightly the author.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 03:01 mircea_popescu: it is however not the customer's problem that the fair price point for borland whatever is 0.0006 except borland can';
t chage that because must be 9.95 or else visa monopoly throws a fit.