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phf: that's a platonist right there
mircea_popescu: and if it's a shitty analogy blame yourself - you brought it in!
asciilifeform: the butt plug has a down side. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a ludicrous analogy.
mircea_popescu: do you propose "not shit where yo ustand" should be a property of earth and standing ?
asciilifeform: there is no excuse for buffer overflows to be a thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say that basic hygiene is a ~stopping~ place, but a starting point.
mircea_popescu: hey. is it a thing or is it not a thing! stop giving me jam!
mircea_popescu: but there's a point here. it's not a bounded problem!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> [...] you can declare a variable, where, say, assigning a prime number to it is an error condition in the runtime. which means, yes, a check on EVERY assignment. <<< now imagine the converse type :D
asciilifeform: incidentally, i recommend the 'random walk' article to anyone with even a passive interest in the subj
asciilifeform: what we have is a great many rusty old pentiums.
phf: but if you start with scheme-81/cadr or greenarrays or whatever, could probably get more interesting results by a margin
asciilifeform: but there is also a STANDARD
phf: well, incremental improvement on ada doesn't seem like a particularly interesting problem, thing comes with a lineage, wirth's pascal, modula, oberon; ada fits into that ecosystem, so simply going over wirth's research you can find a lot of existing ideas for ada improvements
asciilifeform: but we haven't such a thing.
asciilifeform: a properly constructed computer would perform ALL of the same checks, and more, IN HARDWARE
mircea_popescu: liek that it's a pretty good q.
mircea_popescu: PeterL not in a lifetime.
asciilifeform: has, e.g., predicated types. (which means, you can declare a variable, where, say, assigning a prime number to it is an error condition in the runtime. which means, yes, a check on EVERY assignment.)
PeterL: asciilifeform could you make a "right thing" that is better than ada?
mircea_popescu: we'll be doing a lot of the 2nd willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: consider what i'm actually saying : it's one thing to solve correctly a well defined problem ; it is another thing to solve well a nebulous one.
mircea_popescu: and srsly, what, it's my job to tell the processor how to process ? that's why it's a processor, let it process!
mircea_popescu: phf fwiw i believe "threads" are a miserable kludge, so i can see the angle.
phf: lisp's attitude to threads for a decade now has been "now let's see how this whole `threading' thing plays out, and maybe come up with a solution in a decade or two"
mircea_popescu: brits had a very similar problem, "our tank is very well made" "how does it do in the sand ?" "WHAT?!?!?!"
phf: the web part is fine, but i want a bit more reliability out of a bot, maybe move it into a separate process even. this whole ascii's "does cmucl even has proper threads" is biting me in the ass
mircea_popescu: possibly might be an idea to eschew counting references to a log line made by the same author ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-28#774690 << ahh what a quote. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: did a woman you cared about ever manage to get a satisfyingly loud and wet quarrel witcha ?
phf: oh that old old log is not there yet, and will probably go in within a month or so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform about as much as mp in #b-a.
asciilifeform: did anyone actually give half a fuck what he thought ?
danielpbarron: mildly annoying that old log url and new log url have date in reverse order, but i guess a script can hack around this trivially
mircea_popescu: phf word. also, a way to go to arbitrary date should be... oh nm, i can just hack teh url.
mircea_popescu: we're actually building a sort of cyber-ai-implant here, it's obvious by now.
mircea_popescu: i want it to be a flag in the search, so as to search IN IT.
danielpbarron: nah i'm just doing it manually because it's only a month old ; but it'll be really easy for you to do it that way as the urls are virtually identical
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-top-refs << this is a splendidly useful tool, actually!
mircea_popescu: phf: incidentally there's a bug in ref counter, only finds one ref << thanks danielpbarron :D
mircea_popescu: how about we get a gentleman's agreement to piss on him and his "discovery" - i know a lot more actual gentlemen in banking and finance than in computing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf: adlai: i'm half expecting bot to fall over at any second, you want it to spew log lines, you crazy, mang << no, seriously, this is a must. deedbot must say the logline when it sees the reference, there's no way about it, because seeing the line reminds me of the log directly, but clicking links etc is such a high bar...
mircea_popescu: adlai: asciilifeform: would you argue that satoshi should've switched PoW each time a new optimized (ie, gpu, fpga, etc) miner was released, at least, before he sepukkud? <<< whatever he'd argue, it is a fact that YES, satoshi should have been a man rather than an herb, and once he knew things blew up should have called forth the dragon. ☟︎
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445594 <<< what i was thinking is "offer wires as an alternative to a cash settlement to people who presently hold x.eur and to whom i've committed to delivering upon request", and then close it, at least until i have another professionnal setup to handle it properly ☝︎☟︎
danielpbarron: same idea with deeds ; could submit same thing over over, but then get neg-rated out of a voice
phf: this also demonstrated for why "top refs" shouldn't remain a feature :p
danielpbarron: and by yeah, I mean yeah I had the same thought, that perhaps this is a less legit reference
BingoBoingo: Which is exactly how a proper public damning should work.
phf: incidentally there's a bug in ref counter, only finds one ref
danielpbarron: there's a four-way tie for 3rd most referenced log line : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-01#1418803 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-25#1144802 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090204 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#546880 ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎
adlai: asciilifeform: would you argue that satoshi should've switched PoW each time a new optimized (ie, gpu, fpga, etc) miner was released, at least, before he sepukkud?
asciilifeform: i find it difficult to imagine that mircea_popescu would not have known this. ergo on 'day x' he believed that he was connected directly to a mine.
adlai: recursing into inner links, across the log.b-a.chasm, left as an exercise to the industrious lisper
asciilifeform: adlai: there is a proper log now
asciilifeform: this is not a sin per se but makes it difficult to communicate
adlai: cf meta-#t-a
adlai: it's the other way around. haven't you ever realized everybody around you is communicating in front of your face in a language you can't parse?
asciilifeform: adlai: a few msec
mircea_popescu: adlai ie, two brailles, like they did a braille-ext or some shit
mod6: hell, sat there and talk to her for a good while, had no clue.
mircea_popescu: braille is a dead pursuit.
adlai loves the ads for SPOJ claiming "learn how to code" in a site that lets people who know math compete in who knows more math
asciilifeform: unless you're actually mathematicizing, you prolly don't need a b00k re dfa...
mod6: oh like [CTRL+V CTRL+M]? This will yield you a matchable '^M'
asciilifeform: it dun count as a lineend
mod6: this is neat-o. im gonna have to do some jars of those. i've got a lady who knows how to jar, is gonna show me this summer.
adlai don't want a pickle... just wanna ride on his motor sickle
mod6: have to give that a try
mod6: i'd go as far to say that I've never even had a salt pickle.
deedbot: $s "and the boys mircea mircea after me" is not a command.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ << lol check out the antique, from back when ben_vulpes was benkay
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah proper pickles are a must. but the salt kind
mircea_popescu: i introduced a foreign species into a new habitat!
mircea_popescu: "please drive over with a sandwich, i'm retarded and have no women."
mod6: i love a good sandwich
mircea_popescu: what in the ever loving fuck, i'm going to call someone to MAKE ME A FUCKING SANDWICH ?!
ben_vulpes: that was a very sneaky dodge.
mod6: did we find a bundle of the old logs?
mircea_popescu: shittily i presume :D searched for my stuff got a paltry 100 lines!!11
mircea_popescu: read a shooting script once, notice all the capitalised terms ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's much easier than you think, because the rigours of producing explained obliquely somewhere on trilema actually force a very strict and mechanical language.
mod6: holy shit there's a log
ben_vulpes: nono this is a /cynical/ play
ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
mircea_popescu: why not have a general purpose categorizer
ben_vulpes: mostly 'cause i want a movie index categorized by rape, violence, blood, misogyny...
ben_vulpes: trinque: no, more of a "is this movie going to hurt muh feelz?"
gribble: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: hanbot seems to have made a bundle out of selling bile and lemonade squirts to the eye!
mircea_popescu: well the foundation is mebbe worth a little mroe than its chest.
deedbot: $vwap s.qntr is not a command.
BingoBoingo: Ending at half a million not bad
mike_c: and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
mircea_popescu: mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
mod6: well, maybe not best thing, but ~a~ nice feature.
mod6: took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
mircea_popescu: ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
mike_c: Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
mod6: maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!