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mircea_popescu: trinque, do me a favour and also encrypt to http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc so i don't have to wake up the girls to do ahlf hour of typing for me again
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true break here, is that portage system actually excepts to build and link by bits. "out of the codemass intended to be used, arbitrarily selected portion A is built and linked first, producing object files, then B is built and linked against those binaries"
trinque: this is a "forward-looking statement" eh? I don't disagree with it
mircea_popescu: is there something mroe to this i'm missing ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 22:00 mircea_popescu: i mitigate this problem by very pointedly only buying certain kinds / classes.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, because he laughed at me earlier when i http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919502 ☝︎
trinque: this is why I packed every dep tarball into my snapshot
mircea_popescu: i mean, maybe all local wot failed to sign a patch portage deemed essential so it downloaded it from power-rangers.net. yes ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: end up with a working trb-running server more quickly than I do today
mircea_popescu: i evidently have, the damned story's in the recent logs.
asciilifeform: what can i say, i cannot speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never bought a 'mystery pc' where i have nfi apriori what os to even attempt on it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if pc were a small arm, i'd say would be 'zip gun' made from old brass pipe and paperclip, at this pt in time
mircea_popescu: i often take shits i do not know the mass of.
asciilifeform: 'i'ma buy 9000 types of shell and try each' ?!
mircea_popescu: but it's a mitigation, if i wanna know i gotta look.
mircea_popescu: i mitigate this problem by very pointedly only buying certain kinds / classes. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here is the implicit dwim-ism involved in "i don't have a vax/dec/cuisinart, i have a COMPUTER, as in the abstract"
asciilifeform: so i tell the fella with the vax, 'go and make this its own tree, give it to fellow vaxers to sign, not to me'.
asciilifeform: the problem of 'ifdef' is the clusterfuck where i am given to sign a patch that includes '#ifdef vax' but i dun have a vax. and dun intend to.
asciilifeform: could argue that this is 'ifdef by hand', i suppose
asciilifeform: when i pull disk out of binder to install os, already pick the 1 where wrote down the type of cpu for which it was, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i described this in the orig ifdefism thread. the solution is to stop pretending that coad worx on boxen where no one in living memory had ever tested it and signed. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 03:43 mircea_popescu: all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy virtual cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
asciilifeform: i.e. specifically what vtronics was designed to abolish
mircea_popescu: i've not looked in a long time, myself.
asciilifeform: i've seen it, this imperative coad, it consists of 'probe for bug xxxxxx'
asciilifeform: trinque: i gotta say, i cannot picture any legit reason why an ebuild would contain imperative code
trinque: last dive I took into the portage code, it appeared to be filled with steps around either bugs in linux or packages
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919415 << i must point out, this item imho is orthogonal to the problem of this thrd, a standard 'machine' does not remove the need for proper 'systemwide vtron'-aka-portage-replacement ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but yes, i wanna hear trinque
asciilifeform: there is even a (sad, disused, esthlos went to bottom of sea) but last i saw -- working -- cl vtron
mircea_popescu: i can't explain it. hence "personally"
mircea_popescu: i personally doubt such a thing as a lisp portage can be made. but then again i have no coding experience.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i meant the problem from this other side.
diana_coman: I expect exactly that, yes.
diana_coman: fwiw re gprbuild and legacy c/cpp-ism: cal3d lib builds with gprbuild absolutely fine; CS however not at all and it's not a trivial thing to port it either as far as I could tell at a quick look.
mircea_popescu: if gotta-have-python anyway, why am i wasting spyked's time with hutch&hoot, might as well use python for scripting.
asciilifeform: i have not tried it with megafauna like trb
mircea_popescu: and yes indeedy, i'd much rather mandate a "your project must buuld on gprbuild" than a "your project must include ebuild", if there's mandatin'.
mircea_popescu: all this said, i don't believe if someone wrote an ebuilds for say ffa they'd thereby degrade ffa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'ebuilds', as i understand trinque's angle was/is to organically replace gentoo's ebuild duct tape with vtron
asciilifeform: and yes legacy crapola that nobody got around to deautoconfing yet, do use, there's 9000 on my boxen. but what i touch with own hands , away it goes
mircea_popescu: much, i suspect, like why and wherefore trinque 's stuck with ebuilds. "wtf do you want me to do, make sense of gentoo in my spare time !?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i am not even disputing that. i think large projects (ie, again, eulora) used it as a ... well, default evil. "gotta use something, wtf can do".
mircea_popescu: if we wanted fucking portage we could have just imported portage. but i think we just as deliberately did NOT want it ; we wanted v.
trinque: I can see the continuous symbolic space mircea_popescu wants, but the cuntoo thing was exactly "capture these packages before they can't even be built anymore" plus a snapshot of a working build toolchain to do so.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it permits the notion of "package". but it will press to your intended destination, all leaves up to it.
trinque: I don't see how v denotes "build A, then B, then C package"
mod6: There will be a blog post I make about how I want through the ebuild process, but probably closer to month-end.
mod6: I still consider them "in-progress", but will forward what I have along to you here by Monday. (I wanted to get these ones built before the trb one - which I'm just starting on now.)
mod6: trinque: Speaking of an ebuild for ave1's musltronic tools, I've got one that works. I've also got one for diana_coman's keccak V tools package.
trinque: build process automation, recall what I wrote produces a v-tree of ebuilds sufficient to have a booting linux
trinque: yep, I think I need to demonstrate this a few times before it takes with others
mircea_popescu: bvt i don't think it's wasted either ; and for that matter came off too strong on the side of whatever my point was there.
trinque: speaking of which, if ave1 is not going to produce an ebuild for his gcc, I imagine that's next priority on my end.
trinque: Mocky: can I encourage you to produce an ebuild for your gns item when done?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 15:18 Mocky: my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 15:08 Mocky: mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
trinque: I don't know of any minorityreportronic extension to the thing
asciilifeform: i.e. connect to one, its state changes, and it sends message to others, which majoritate ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if when i get up find it, will post. loox like might be deep in a hedge.
trinque: ah yes, I saw this thread.
trinque: i.e. target a qemu arch or the like?
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think anyone expects 'ubuntu-like installer' (at least not i)
trinque: this is not a circumstance to which I'm resigned, but is what it is.
trinque: as for me, I will still have to batch my efforts since I am not independently wealthy
trinque: I noticed that not a soul read the scripts that bootstrap cuntoo ☟︎☟︎
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919226 << where I left it is "operator still has to understand linux to use the thing" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:41 bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919279 << ftr i do not think it is waste. i expect that most 'realtime' applications (e.g. 'gossip') will want the asmistic ffa. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( 13kB executable, fwiw, uses no libc (no libs at all), and no linux syscalls beyond mmap & console i/o )
bvt: the hard part is 'fiat overlord' and being able to dedicate stable amounts of time to republican work, for this i don't have an acceptable answer.
bvt: after ffa I will have a look at other things (like ripping out kernel rng, having another look at gnat-arm64 internals, as it seems there is no ongoing work on this front atm). i expect to get something useful as a result, and maintain it in long term.
bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suppose taking day job as astrologer went ok for kepler. but he was after all kepler. did not go well for asciilifeform .
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 03:07 asciilifeform: zx2c4: you may find it interesting to learn that i once worked in a dour 'salt mine' where shat out 'correctness proof' all day. in 'sage.'
Mocky: I need to figure out how I can log into #trilema from my work computer during the day
Mocky: my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it ☟︎
Mocky: I got my blob migrated over to mp_wp, but got hung up on theme changes. I'm going to go live with it and fix the theme later. I need to have a functional blog
Mocky: mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expected that finally making it to ru would be morale booster for phf. ( evidently not? wai not ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
asciilifeform: admittedly asciilifeform not had time to follow pantsuit press. last i knew they helpfully assembled the old carrier fleet into a convenient shooting gallery for iran. (who for some reason not taken advantage yet)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect this will be next 'diet trend' -- arse-mouth hose.
asciilifeform: admittedly i've never seen the ameri-otp
mircea_popescu: and since i've been stuck doing a shitload of these by [slave]hand : the gpg format is fucking TERRIBLE, the small/caps duality is sheer idiocy (90+% of all errors and general slowdown on top of it because of shift) ;
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:47 mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919166 << trinque sweated out a draft cuntoo, which sadly i have not had chance to test in anger. i have a physical box that is destined for it , when get chance, and also will be porting it to the sim-mips, ditto. but i promised to mircea_popescu not to undertake any elaborate works until ffa suitable for 'discard gpg' and extension to other (gossipd, trbi, what else is waiting on it) paths ☝︎
diana_coman: fwiw I can add from experience that no amount of making sure is actually...making sure.
mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'd luvv to grow 6 or 7 additional hands.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 07:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919159 << i'm burned out from my recent misadventures, i've taken several approaches to both republican and secural work, and i'm failing to load it in my brain, or make any kind of dent
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 07:09 bvt: i do expect that 'saltmine season' is over now -- i've been working on asming karatsuba squaring (ffa ch.12b) over this week, post expected tomorrow.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919174 << ftr i find bvt's asm work quite useful, and it will be incorporated into the flagship vtree when i get a chance. ☝︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I did and I even found it easier than previous material though I'm not sure why; ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919157 <-- apologies for the lack of an update, I'm still neck-deep in hunchentoot study; I have a full draft of the monster ready in the workroom, but before publishing, I'm making sure I have a good understanding of the item, to avoid getting my ass bitten by unknown unknowns in the future ☝︎
danielpbarron: i'm sorry for the disruption, and for now i will refrain from connecting to efnet (where there is no host masking)