asciilifeform not read whole thing, but appears to be inspired by altshuller's 'triz' , which in fact not a crock of shit, and asciilifeform personally uses.
asciilifeform: oblog period sovjoak : buncha d00dz standing in queue, to buy vodka. ( 1985 'dry law', shortage nao of the 1 thing that there was never shortage of... ) finally one of'em had enuff, 'i'ma go off and kill gorby'. hour later comes back to end of queue. they ask 'so didja?' he : 'there was even longer queue there'
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, according to d00d , the 'trigger' was when he spent his last coin on a tape deck at flea market, and took home crate, opened -- bricks.
asciilifeform: ( 1 remaining lulzdetail -- fella's apparently a free man today, and 'activist businessman'(tm) )
asciilifeform: point being, no one gave half a shit re the leaflets.
asciilifeform: this aint the interesting part tho. prior to this fella went all around moscow and dropped anonlulz leaflets 'kill gorby now'. after printed a run of each, destroyed typewriter, filed off the pads, buried. went through 5 or 6.
asciilifeform: knew how to get within range, also a++ . but was just slightly too slow on the draw, missed 1st shot, flunkie fell on him during 2nd
asciilifeform: rehearsed pulling the sawoff under guise of drawing handkerchief (also succeeded) ;
asciilifeform: recently asciilifeform dug up ancient case: d00d tried to nail gorby, iirc circa '87. had a++ scheme, sawed off german double-barrel 12ga, overcoat, carried pro-gorby plaquard on metal rod to get past metalsweepers (succeeded) ;
asciilifeform: afaik 'anonymity' was never the hard part, the tricky bit is getting anyone to give a fuck re the anon spews
asciilifeform: ( iirc this was when mircea_popescu persuaded asciilifeform that oughta make an rng... )
asciilifeform: ( generally there's exactly 1 type of such obstacle.. )
asciilifeform: vertical rudder was found turned 20 degree left. i.e. suggested that vessel had attempted very sharp turn, to avoid obstacle.
asciilifeform: the sailors had done quite a few things, 1st 'standard', then 'nonstandard', e.g. bled air from torpedos to try an' dry out flooded compartments. did not simply sit.
asciilifeform: crew was dissected right in the dried boat, anatomists brought in tables.
asciilifeform: 1 interesting detail, when boat was raised, the brass split into factions, one of which went 'old torpedoes, too dangerous to unload, let's sink it again', arse-covering. but other side prevailed, and sappers volunteered to defuse. then the 'archaeology' took place.
asciilifeform: was the air intake valve , iirc. linked piece has detailed likbez ( there was >1 mistake, vessel could have been saved even after valve , in principle )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. most compartments not flooded )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if yer interested, boat was 'С-80' , sank in '61. raised and was found that all hands mummified, and was possible to say what each was doing.
asciilifeform: if i had somehow arrived at mircea_popescu's algo then, prolly would still use it today, it does work wellenuff.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform put in the ~old~ trap when found that he was spending 40min+ erry day, and ~all of it on nuking clearly autogenned crapola )
asciilifeform: fwiw i have also nonzero muscle in the loop, after all still have mod queue, for when inevitable idjit pumps in 10,000 copies of helloworld
asciilifeform: i dun have, sadly, so much of it to spare.
asciilifeform: evidently uses some muscle power tho.
asciilifeform: the old 'whack-a-mole' approach of filtration maybe was workable in '90s, but today 'fresh' ips cost, what, half a penny ea.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. sadly valid assumption, 99.999....% of load reqs are from simple robots.
asciilifeform: evidently people wrote elementary 'ai' to do arithmetics.
asciilifeform: to round out thread : interestingly, prior to adding the 'fg baud' q , i did see several spams.
asciilifeform: tho there people go imho to extremes, asking people to solve triple integrals etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform's approach is not original , it is lifted from ru world, where used quite successfully in number of places.
asciilifeform: since i put in the new booby, had two dozen or so comments from half that many people, who did find pressing, and 0 spam of any description..
asciilifeform: i have 0 objection to 'this aint pressing enuff to comment'
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu can't be arsed to xor 2 smallints, then comment surely was not pressing matter.
asciilifeform: prior to that iirc it was broken entirely for quite long time.
asciilifeform: i threw out the googlistic captcha thing only this yr.
asciilifeform: ip-banlist filtration imho sucks tho. puts burden on site operator, for no good reason. whereas if erry www keeper made commenters solve even ultra-simple 'reading comprehension' puzzler prior to comment entering queue, ~for so long as said puzzler aint standardized, a la idjit 'captcha'~ -- then spam, at least of the mass-scalable variety, evaporates.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform hasn't been there even as tourist. so many moar interesting places to tour, e.g. north kr...
asciilifeform: i half suspect that it exists simply to make east usa look livable in contrast.
asciilifeform: aaah the lolzpeople of lolifornia, land of 10k/mo 1room flats, double-digit sales tax, rolling blackouts...
asciilifeform: imho this is a mighty fine practice and oughta be adopted elsewhere.
asciilifeform: they also have a thing where the captain can point to anyone, 'you!' , and then point to any piece of gear, from reactor to toilet, and demand an account of what are all of the parts, and how it works, in detail. and the pointed man must pass the exam. if fails, has no moar 'r&r' time , must study, until passes.☟︎
asciilifeform does not know whether the amerinavy has an equiv., the sources are sparse.
asciilifeform: there is an interesting tradition in ru navy. they open a kingston and fill a lamp cover with sea water; the boat dives, and the green recruits are given to drink, and told : 'this salt water will be the last thing you taste if you fuck up' .
asciilifeform: ( this, only on nuke boat, naturally, where electrolyser can be had; on diesels air is taken only from atmosphere, when at snorkel depth )
asciilifeform: esp. re trade-offs. e.g., for many decades , air is given 19 % oxygen instead of the typical sea level 21 . reduced fire but at expense of making the men very slightly stupider.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't work in the sea. but finds these interesting, because they illustrate engineering fundamentals.
asciilifeform: ( iirc wasn't even thought newsworthy outside of ru. diesels 'not sexy', and besides, didn't sink, merely unloaded half the crew as corpses )
asciilifeform: in 1 recent case, in iirc '07, a diesel boat was sold to india and sailed to purchaser, crewed by ~builders and designers~ (is called 'factory crew'). and there was small fire, during which they ended up pumping halon into wrong compartment.
asciilifeform: lotsa material like this in the lit, for aficionados.
asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'pros' sometimes also made mistake. most of these mistakes are at the bottom of the sea still.
asciilifeform: nao the conscripts came, as people do, in degrees of stupid. and instead of idle chat they would sometimes do things like rewiring the 'did you check compartment x in 17 places' buttons to those of adjacent compartment, so that the 'yes checked' lamp would light and they could instead sleep. then would be caught, and disciplined the old-fashioned way, with beating.
asciilifeform: some of the former would go on to become the latter, most did not. a conscript sailed for 3y.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: classic sovok boat was different from the american one in at least 1 fundamental -- there would be ~twodozen 18yo conscripts on board, plus roughly 2x that number of professionals
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, happy to hear that you found it interesting
asciilifeform: in principle a useful os could consist simply of a lisp runtime and nic diddler (dun strictly need fs etc; could store bits on a nfs or the like)
asciilifeform: ( and yes needs interrupt handler to ~send~, as well as receive, a frame, go figure. )
asciilifeform: phf: i once sank good bit of time into attempt to bring up the ubiquitous 'crab nic' (realtek gb) from asm. broke teeth, it needs a working interrupt stack to run (i.e. 'spittoon in 1 strand', need entire os) . since then, found the 'seekrit' datashit, theoretically could do it, but not had time.☝︎
