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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
that visual is
the more amusing if one actually ever rode a camel.
the animal is large.
mircea_popescu: some people, given
the choice of eating shit and being lied about it or eating shit and being
told
they're eating shit prefer
the latter.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, anyway ; his argument is principally
that
they were straight
talking. which is
true,
the difference between stalin-socialism and roosevelt-socialism is strictly
that
the cripple shunned straight
talk ; whereas
the bank robber reveled in it.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, why don't you realise b was better
than a when your experience of b is mediated by
the items
that produced a ?
zx2c4: im surprised, by
the way,
to see asciilifeform's claim
that communist romania was a picnic compared
to modern america. why havent i ever experenced
this?
phf: the mines are consistent: when left
to
their own devices,
they slowly crumble, supports go, and men "unexpectedly!!1" die in a periodic collapse. i come back, i bark,
triage
the victims, assign a
team on rebuilding
the supports
mircea_popescu: alright. so let's just say
there's a lot of history you do not know.
zx2c4: oh
that what you meant
to say
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "there are no new
things in
this world besides
the history you do not know" is a somewhat famous quip.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: okay lets say
there's a lot of history i dont know and
that
there are only new
things in
the world?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dun imagine he was much following bitcoin prior
to his sudden realisation
that it can do
things.
zx2c4: (zx2c4 is a sophisticated chatbot but sometimes his neural network
trainings are constrained)
mircea_popescu: ok, well, let's just say
there's a lot of history you don't know.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: im really not parsing
that sentence
mircea_popescu: (made, in case you also weren't
there for
the berlin games, means
to have been spotted.)
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: wait what? an mit dude had satoshi's bitcoins but you
told him
to get lost and now he's disappeared?
mircea_popescu: but yes, zx2c4 :
there are heuristics which do make human work easier. and it is
the
tell
tale of a made agent,
that he gets sent on garbage missions.
mircea_popescu: well, "the world" didn't hear "just
the facts" about
that, either. so...
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, are you aware some mit schmuck was "in charge of bitcoin" "left by satoshi" and
then i said he'd better get lost and
then he was kicked off like so much flotsam ?
zx2c4: asciilifeform:
that quote from mircea_popescu you just pasted is interesting. i didnt know ceausescu did so much "political policing". i dont
think i have any experience living in a society like
that
mircea_popescu: i suppose he wasn't here for
the gavin beheading, imagines
the usg can even protect its agents or something like
that.
mircea_popescu: this is why i'm somebody and
ten
thousand fake media shills are essentially gloves.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, not a matter of
trivially. what i say has a lot of power, such as
to end careers, research lines etcetera.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah,
the experience of
the bitter fruits of socialism is always so inadherent
to
they inebriated by
the flowers.
zx2c4: anyway,
the only point im making with
this extended debian example is
that it's one
thing
to point
to systemic societal shifts and
tendencies. its quite another
to make a claim about a particular individual and
their deceptions. some people are deceptive. others aren't. but it's not a conclusion you can ever jump
to
trivially
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 00:42 mircea_popescu: so while pretty much every adult romanian saw at least one (often enough in
the shape of, hey, do you know
this guy you've been frioends for 30 years with, since chiuldhood ? well he was
trying
to fuck your wife and get you imprisoned), apparently
there's a NOFORN clause implicit or something, 0 internets.
zx2c4: you still believe he's lying. in
that case, you're really asserting something quite big
zx2c4: "NSA
tell you
to plant
that bug?"
mircea_popescu: jesus christ. re-do
this conversation with a six year old girl instead of dkg. "she either enjoyed it or she lied." motherfucker! SHE IS NOT ABLE
TO SPEAK.
zx2c4: godfather
to your first born child
zx2c4: then you get
to know
the guy,
zx2c4: [ftr, i have no idea who committed
the bug or if
theres even a commit log]
zx2c4: or you can believe
that he's covering
things up
mircea_popescu: you understand
this, dkg is ~not capable~ of saying
things.
zx2c4: now you can either believe
that it was an honest mistake
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking plebs anything. other
than perhaps
to get in
the wot and do
their log reading.
zx2c4: so
then we go and ask dkg
zx2c4: lets say you pull
the commit log and you see
that dkg@debian.org committed it
mircea_popescu: zx2c4,
the debian bug was a nsa plant is neitehr controversial nor requires any conspiracy.
zx2c4: re:null - its one
thing
to make claims about how systemic shifts happen.
these are usually compelling arguments and interesting, and usually not conspiratorial but still relevant. but when you argue about a *particular* *conspiracy* -- "the debian bug was nsa sabotage" -- now
there's a much harder argument
to make, because you're
talking about some individual @debian.org guy being complicit in one way or another, and he's a human
mircea_popescu: what exactly is prestigious outside of my rating it, i don't get it ? you imagine i even for a second see
the people eating rubber chicken at conferences above
the prostitutes i don't bother
to
talk
to at strip clubs ? why
the fuck would i roflmao.
mircea_popescu: what world is
this, iyo,
that's not me and of me ?
the squalor of shard dorms ?
the plastic cubical farms ? what exactly ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, a) it is not a complaint b) seeing how i'm
the one with all
the money and all
the rapes, i can scarcely conceive what "the world" even is.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about
the cool hackers on
the internet, but only
the assholes with prestigious positions."
this has been a widely known complaint for a long
time
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: zx2c4, in statistics, it's
the universal "no relevance" ; in practice,
this must be
translated
to meaning.
zx2c4: where resources funnel
to
those who do
things most benignly?
zx2c4: or do you
think it's not actually directly
targeted at you but rather a systemic
thing
zx2c4: doesnt it seem like an awful amount of work an effort just
to make your work disappear and have people not
talk
to you?
mircea_popescu: there's very limited capacity for understanding
the world in complex systems. kinda why
they fail.
zx2c4: asciilifeform: arent
there some commit logs
that show where
the debian bug comes from? i honestly cant remember
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don't
think
the usg is capable of representing me at all.
zx2c4: and you
think
that since you've "thought your way out" of
the paradigm, you're a
threat and so
the government has an interest in having people avoid you? kill socrates because he corrupts
the young?
mircea_popescu: the more you need
to be "protected" and "be given just
the facts" and so on,
the more need for socialism.
mircea_popescu: your government basically exists out of, and depends upon, you needing it
to interface
the world for you.
zx2c4: "theyre
trying
to cover up
the divisors!" isnt really a compelling reason
mircea_popescu: in general your government has an interest in you not
talking
to me, yes. or
to anyone else, if at all possible ; and if not possible
then ~not in any meaningful way~.
zx2c4: why does
the government have an interest in me hearing about nadia's work rather
than your work?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: they're not "drawing
the same conclusions".
they're simply
trying
the equivalent of google keyword stuffing. "hey, maybe if i publish machine-generated pages with words people search for i'll be able
to sell
traffic"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of
this, whether we idly decide
that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in
the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts
to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: every empire is invested principally in a maintenance of
the statu quo.
zx2c4: alright so im just wondering why you
think nadia and alex's research falls into a category like
that, when
they're essentially drawing
the same conclusions as your own work (even if
they didnt release rawdata as you say etc)
mircea_popescu: what
the fuck do you expect going
to work for nsa is, other
than "sit here and waste
the rest of your life quietly lest
the
terorists get hold of you and give you something actually useful
to do" ?
zx2c4: the conspiratorial element in all
this would be if, like,
the NSA secretly funds academic research in fields it knows
to be nonsense, so as
to waste
the
time of otherwise productive people?
mircea_popescu: i am not limiting
the discussion
to "Trendy". some items are useful
to special-interest-group-women-are-people ; some other items are useful
to special-interest-group-no-research-in-nsa-subersions-plox and so on
zx2c4: and certain
topics lead
to getitng large grants
zx2c4: and certain
topics help you keep academic positions
zx2c4: yes, certain
topics are
trendy
mircea_popescu: there's no need of conspiracy ; just
the normal working of ambitious stupidity.
mircea_popescu: and once it's political, everyone wants in. "publish
this because special-interest-group-x wants more stuff like it".
mircea_popescu: since
there is no ~possibility~ of rational merit in
the deluge of proposals coming his way and no method allowing him
to distinguish between sokal items and science, would it
take much for his decision process
to become political ?
mircea_popescu: 4. at some juncture, some dood is sitting on a bale of freshly printed newspaper clippings ^H^H moeny, and has
to distribute it.