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asciilifeform: however personally i count it as lucky break that he left some romanians, heh.
mircea_popescu: about as german as i'm gay. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the shoemaker's literal shoemaking skills, admirable as they might've been, fail to hold interest.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between when stupidity is a character flaw, such as in mongolia, and when stupidity is a social requirement, such as in san francisco.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was pretty evident. the end result of the societal changes driven by the roosevelt-socialist government (aptly summarized as "female is the only legitimate owner of property") is that 2nd generation consists of these innefectual males bound to the great mother through the simple fact that well, she owns the hut.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836594 << pretty great. but reminded me , 'As such, I'm just going to provide a pointer to the Quicklisp installation page and leave it at that' << at some point 'quicklisp' will have to be cured. right nao it's an open-ended heathen hole. ☝︎
lobbes: esthlos: now this is very true; if you're going to trust your coin to a 3rd party, it may as well be someone in-wot. anyways, whenever you want to set up an account hop on over to #pizarro. I'm sure BingoBoingo or mod6 can get you started
asciilifeform: crapple 'plz reboot for update!' is erry bit as infuriating the 9001st time as 1st.
mircea_popescu: actually i'd say they're a standard sui generis, "if you're going to distribute binaries, at least do them as well as nvidia"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is the death of moore bit them in the ass too. i am very happy with 10year old cards as it is. and even when i buy "new", i buy old ones.
mircea_popescu: but as you were typing that, i was thinking "We fucking need an expert gfx card wizard to debinary that shit already"
mircea_popescu: i cheat ; as per alf "is a toilet" magics, i just use nvidia's binaries.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:10 mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
mircea_popescu: i do not pose as expert gymnast in any sense ; and yes this caliber turd is somewhat common in unixworld altogether. but still, holy hell, fucking gymnastics.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item. ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: the upstream X is already a mess of libraries, substantial gymnastics are required to build it on any system without assistance of something like gentoo's portage. in case of apple things are typically distributed as a binary, which is what i linked above. xquartz.org also has the sources, that are patched versions of original freedesktop code. one could theoretically build that by hand, but typically one would use
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : should i double click that on an apple, i'd find a bundle so that a) if i exclude all non-text files i can then b) use at least one specified version of a compiler chain i can build in same manner so as to c) produce object files which then d) run on my system.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:47 asciilifeform: phf: in commercial work i use things that would turn the strongest stomach. now, as always, speaking of civilized work.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836372 << fyi, i appreciate the hackery, but the relevant code is already in the vtools http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vdiff_sha/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 as I mentioned in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830179 the problem is that byteswapping is non-standard. each libc implements its own. more importantly __bswap64 that PeterL is using is an internal inline function, that exists in ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, romanian "ratarea", french "c'est rate ( http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/#selection-87.1-89.14 )". it's a fucking category. to fail, not "at something", but as a biological attempt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's the fashionable thing, ever since "our brave boys in uniform" came back, erryone's permitted to go about pretending as if they have some kind of business.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836422 << he has exactly zero room to pretend to any kind of commercial knowledge, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459 ; if he was worth two shits in the supposed field of his choice, we'd have known this as a matter of fact in 2017. ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: And occasionally yellow fever crosses the border in the North as well
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: as far as I can tell the bee sting variety, but I have seen a couple people with sizeable welts returning to the hostel from there after day trips
mod6: Ah, alright. Just thought I'd bring it up as most "CHANGELOG"s that you see out there grow upwards.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836364 << i'm not even sure by now. honestly i don't seem to ever want to use it, myself, but i also see no problem in it per se. ratings are personal after all, and not all persons of the republic are necessarily just as public. ☝︎
asciilifeform: then nfi. plane ticket is one of those things that steadily climbs in cost as the printing press churns.
asciilifeform: copa, through panama as it always goes
asciilifeform: aha, same trick as ferrocement
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i associate korea with art of medieval gunnery -- motherland of the infamous 'leather cannon', as deadly to artillerist as to enemy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik korea if ever existed as nation, it was in 1300s. (today there's the usg colony and the open air injun reservation)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, discussed as in #eulora or #trilema?
asciilifeform: ( so long as the thing gets enuff stack segment on warmup , if it does not, bombs immediately )
mircea_popescu: if program includes this sort of thing, define stack as max mem.
mircea_popescu: so if the init were made so as to pass cmd line args as THAT, ie, proiper string, ie 3 part string, ie, x + y + z bytes, then...
mircea_popescu: but no, language-as-coprocessor does not imply any genetic linkage.
asciilifeform: right, these belong as annexes .
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 13:45 phf: as far as ada is concerned, the tmsr ada is a subset of standard, that only exists in your head, and can be somewhat inferred from ffa. that's no standard
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 14:16 asciilifeform: ave1: that'll be the gold medalist, as it will run on ice40 , i.e. 'tmsr cpu'.
mircea_popescu: sellign real estate, baking home cookies for faire sale, anything that's a real activity, as opposed to gardening. kids, plants, whatever.
mircea_popescu: as close to perfect as i've to date found.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you'rte going to use veterinarian's anesthetic, might as well go the whole way and fuck veals, no ?
asciilifeform: was being considered as component in field med kit
mircea_popescu: (evolutionarily, if anyone's curious, it's a key component of how they "fall in love", because there's need for some ample shutdown of higher cognitive function for the animal to permit such gross usage as childbearing entails.)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
ben_vulpes: the gist i get is that there's several physical regions that see high bloodflow when the mind is in an idle state that are correlated with "ruminantive"/"obsessive" thinking that are grouped by experts as "the default mode network"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834927 << i'd not distribute anything but trb patches to allcomers ~already~; if i made a useful thing i'd trivially share the source for it with l1 and rely on y'alls judgement as to whom to further share it with but i wouldn't concern myself with preventing leaks-to-kloinkers. beyond that, i share certain specific source with a subset of my own l1 and no further, with a ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:55 phf: well lispworks has capi, that doesn't have an non-proprietary equivalent, so if your work requires any kind of gui, you're stuck with some very dodgy solutions (in the early days i even used emacs/slime as a gui backed by ccl)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in re sw, there was some work in '70s re using ~trees~ as antennae, but afaik went nowhere (at least publicly)
mircea_popescu: phf i was talking about the "collected people who use lisp" as a roomful there. and i very much doubt you can't reproduce anything you effectually use. of course, couldn't vs wouldn't distinction.
BingoBoingo: I can't wait for the congress critter that start getting prosecuted as British and German agents by the Trumpreich
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: helmet, nazi goggles very convenient, can pass off beer buddy's photo as own
mircea_popescu: but anyway, seems to me evident that the ~only way something like that could have worked was as monastic order, ie, harem, not as "company" ie "nuclear family" takeoff. "prove to us you can use this compiler for anything and you can move at franz hq and hang out with us / party with the hussies."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 15:04 phf: but for all i know they have a traditional american sales approach, where you ask them for license, and they size you up as to how much they can get out of you, and there's pure winging it. i'm missing the "baseball in hands" part though, that's an indicator one way or another.
mircea_popescu: phf and the batshit insane situation of "x per y" doesn't strike as altogether broken ?
phf: but for all i know they have a traditional american sales approach, where you ask them for license, and they size you up as to how much they can get out of you, and there's pure winging it. i'm missing the "baseball in hands" part though, that's an indicator one way or another. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "fatted calf" that the inept father cut was fucking stolen, and if i sat in judgement over the matter he'd sure as dingleberries hang for it.
mircea_popescu: THEN bingoboingo would have the following dilemma before him : either tax the one or two products in that tree dozen that are actually smarter than him even, so with the proceeds to buy crutches and prosthetics for the half dozen mongoloids necessarily included by mother nature in the discount three dozen, so as to vaguely push them into a cvasi-semblance of normalcy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835829 << no but consider. 1) the guy who makes the least useful (as measured by -- usage) end product has to pay the LEAST in royalties. why ? 2) the guy who makes the most useful end product has to pay the most. why the fuck ? any correct model will have wta, the one guy who owes you most in "royalties" pays 0 because as per the hobbyst discussion etc, he's the guy actually driving your e ☝︎
asciilifeform: ave1: that'll be the gold medalist, as it will run on ice40 , i.e. 'tmsr cpu'. ☟︎
asciilifeform: observe that the standard specifically permits disabling secondary stack. but what it doesn't do, is to give you any means of using such things as cmdline args, if you do this.
asciilifeform: ( as well as fitting into microcontrollers and other non-x86 )
asciilifeform: but given as i do not expect most nontrivial c proggies to build with it, i suspect that the 2 compilers will remain in use in parallel for a while.
asciilifeform: ( though yes, eventually i would like to codify the subset as a standard in own right. )
phf: as far as ada is concerned, the tmsr ada is a subset of standard, that only exists in your head, and can be somewhat inferred from ffa. that's no standard ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( ~ffa_calc~ is not, as it uses a gnatism to grab the commandline args. )
asciilifeform: phf: as you can prolly tell, asciilifeform has an old-fashioned, ГОСТ-like view of standards. in that a standard really ~must~ specifically make vendor lock-in impossible. and if it fails to do this, it is broken and oughta be corrected ( or thrown out. )
asciilifeform: phf: i cannot show you, as it does not mention every possible abuse, lol
phf: asciilifeform: you can still add a feature without violating the standard, but there's tones of features like that that can only exist as part of compiler and also not violate a standard. lazy symbol is a particularly good example: the symbol behaves according to standard, but accessing its value "stops the world" for all practical purposes, calls some other machinery, "resumes the world" with the value provided by machinery.
phf: well, 100 ln patch to the compiler, because it can't be done as a user proggy (e.g. (symbol-value 'foo) triggers a mechanism of some sort, without an indirection)
asciilifeform: and as consequence you become its thrall 'for life' unless you feel like rewriting all yer coad
asciilifeform: as result it had own tcpip thing, db, etc yes
phf: well lispworks has capi, that doesn't have an non-proprietary equivalent, so if your work requires any kind of gui, you're stuck with some very dodgy solutions (in the early days i even used emacs/slime as a gui backed by ccl) ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: in commercial work i use things that would turn the strongest stomach. now, as always, speaking of civilized work. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn't 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 02:01 mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/07/17/discriminatory-code-sharing/ << i'd say this is broadly correct ; though i somewhat disagree with both ave1's take (as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835508 ) as well as diana_coman implict take here ( say in "hat they decide to do with it, if anything, is of course their own call entirely." ) in the following limited sense :
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/07/17/discriminatory-code-sharing/ << i'd say this is broadly correct ; though i somewhat disagree with both ave1's take (as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835508 ) as well as diana_coman implict take here ( say in "hat they decide to do with it, if anything, is of course their own call entirely." ) in the following limited sense : ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: h where "your results pay for your ineptitude using the platform as well as my costs providing it".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 17:13 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835608 << this was a key piece I was missing as well. For some reason I thought scheme was 'lock down production of binaries so as to allow authors to work out their own pay-for-client mechanism.' Whole thing makes way more sense to me nao
asciilifeform: my only disagreement was re the notion that this is necessarily The Right Thing for erry proggy, as some sort of counter to 'rmsism' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in the end, all living things are only as alive as their food filtering allows.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-16 21:01 ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand. 'You alone kept m
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834927 << one think i haven't seen mentioned yet is that this creates a potential security risk, inasmuch as there'd be a real incentive for bad actors to attempt working their way into l1 solely to gain access to source code. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there IS such a thing as "you're too fucking stupid and unread to participate in THIS class. go take remedial deheadshittery 101."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
asciilifeform: it very much pattern-matched in my head, what aol did with its chat client ( iirc also demanded 'client hash' as part of protocol )
asciilifeform: so hash could just as easily be an arbitrary client id string ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn't 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: all modern evil in the field flows from this original sin of the idiots involved, and no it shan't be passed in silence. had they done this right and equally flunked all other parts as they did flunk them, we'd still be mostly-right rather than thoroughly-broken today.
mircea_popescu: the ~fucking reason~ "anonimity" as understood by the "cipherpunk" bla bla idiots (ie, http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ item) even fucking exists is because of the whole "no identity needed to software".
mircea_popescu: it is NOT FUCKING PERMISSIBLE to "love all your sons equally". fuck you, there is no such thing, that's for their dumbass mother, because she's too stupid to distinguish cocks (and btw, if your "monogamous" "wife" "loves all her children equally", time to start looking carefully at the milkmen, they contributed to that brood as a foregone conclusion.)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835518 << linus is not immortal, and i expect that he will lose control of kernel -- just as he stupidly lost control of his trademark to 'linux foundation' (y'know, with gavin on staff) -- even before dies
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 09:53 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835039 <-- this imho doesn't make asciilifeform an idiot, it makes user responsible for whatever setup he runs the binary on. the same guarantee would be given for hypothetical linux kernel with changed abi as for mswindows kernel. as much as the word of heathens are not to be trusted, heathen did promise e.g. https://archive.is/KD183#selection-248.64-248.65 . so imho misbehaving kernel will just be
asciilifeform: ( given as avoiding said wall of idjicy inescapably requires 'structure of authority' (tm)(r) )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 18:54 lobbes: Lulzy "We have tested image transfers using Google's WebP format to try conserve bandwidth as much as possible, but the lack of support in several browsers has given us second thoughts."
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835616 << I first read this line as "negrated for itself" ☝︎
lobbes: Lulzy "We have tested image transfers using Google's WebP format to try conserve bandwidth as much as possible, but the lack of support in several browsers has given us second thoughts." ☟︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835608 << this was a key piece I was missing as well. For some reason I thought scheme was 'lock down production of binaries so as to allow authors to work out their own pay-for-client mechanism.' Whole thing makes way more sense to me nao ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 diana_coman: it can compile it as much as it wants, server won't answer for one thing