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ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 12:41:13 mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, sadly i do not currently believe anyone whose name is going to be worth knowing in ten years is older than about fifteen today. with maybe a dozen exceptions.
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save.
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, the problem with the foregoing is that i can kinda ballpark the COST of maintaining all the infrastructure for monkeys to typewrite at their leisure. so can you, i expect.
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, let's restate this, so currently work on nailing down the comms protocol is stalled on a definitive universal data model, which is stalled on graphical use in the client, that about it ?
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, motherfucker, they force-inherited us with their idiotic everything-depends-on-everything-else model, did they!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:19:37 whaack:
diana_coman: if i search for a piece of lisp code to do something, I have a (perhaps naive) belief that I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:13:10
diana_coman: re paster though tbh this attempt (coming as it does on top of the previous mess with
python and its flask) left me looking again for not using either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:11:26
diana_coman: ahaha, by now I see that trinque will measure everything in multiples of busybox.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 17:38:31 whaack:
diana_coman: From my experience, for most packages from quicklisp you're going to have problems if you don't have asdf 3+, which comes with sbcl 1.4.14 (not sure what the first version of sbcl with asdf 3+ was)
mircea_popescu:
diana_coman, i didn't imagine you had, no. just... you know, my own amusements, what can i say. tara mica da' vesela.
mircea_popescu: btw
diana_coman there's no ossasepia on the original "holy shit, ints!!" or am i just not finding it ?
whaack:
diana_coman: if i search for a piece of lisp code to do something, I have a (perhaps naive) belief that I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
whaack:
diana_coman: I tried and failed to upgrade to asdf 3+ while keeping my sbcl 1.something . That is one reason why I switched my sbcl to 1.4.14
whaack:
diana_coman: i'm using asdf 3.3.1
whaack:
diana_coman: From my experience, for most packages from quicklisp you're going to have problems if you don't have asdf 3+, which comes with sbcl 1.4.14 (not sure what the first version of sbcl with asdf 3+ was)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 05:44:04
diana_coman: trinque: is the select thing not working on your blog? I'm trying to select that great "fits in hand" and I can't seem to,
this doesn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: or to put it another way, i do not believe it is either intelligent or even tolerable to try and carry forward the "install" paradigm from derpworld. something much more akin to
diana_coman 's work on eulora is what "get installed" will have to mean.
trinque:
diana_coman: me too, actually! enjoying myself over here.
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of asciilifeform from 9 to 1 << Tech outputs brilliant when available; talk outputs and people "evaluations" entirely unreliable.
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of Metronix from 2 to 1 << Indonesian ISP; has key, won't use it.
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of crowncloud_ from 2 to 1 << Australian ISP with US dc-partner; has key, won't use it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-26 06:08:34 mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, imo all the rest can stay. also imo it is more important to be right than principled. the principles can be written in afterwards, for as long as you're right ; if you're wrong no writ will save you anyway.
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of
diana_coman from 5 to 9 << Master of the Serene Republic's University, S.MG, etc
BingoBoingo: !!rate
diana_coman 9 Master of the Serene Republic's University, S.MG, etc
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated
diana_coman 5 at 2018/03/19 15:39:55 << S.MG, Republic Tech development, Reliable
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-26 09:52:57 mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey
diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of shrysr from 2 to -8 << fuck off granted, as he clearly prefers.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, this is a great beautiful mirror to that "in theory, there's no difference between theory and craptice" ditty : "in principle, there's no difference between right and principled".
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, imo all the rest can stay. also imo it is more important to be right than principled. the principles can be written in afterwards, for as long as you're right ; if you're wrong no writ will save you anyway.
mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey
diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: I apologize for addressing points for the record in a manner that appears to be addressing them to you specifically.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: I don't think anyone present here in is hallucinating that, but not all log readers are here.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: GPG contracts are such that a case can only be so strong without hallucinating a denial of the fundamental difference between GPG contracts and fiat contracts.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: MPEx is built on
GPG contracts upheld voluntarily. Introducing "these GPG contracts must be upheld always and forever no matter the cost as if they were fiat contracts" would be subversion. For that, in representing the claim I can't say "This must be paid no matter what" or other constructions along that line without attacking a
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: If mike_c doesn't get paid it sends the signal that TMSR doesn't ever deal, following this external relations is difficult because of the "What the hell can a lord do for me" objection. If mike_c gets paid, TMSR matters, WoT matters, and voice has value as can be demonstrated through the outcome of the case... but the precedent is not sufficiently restrictive so as to prevent future tightening, refusals, etc.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: If someone comes on a day after mike_c is paid out by MPEx, I can't imagine this hypothetical next person would receive any offer for voice nearly as cheap as 30 BTC.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: Note also what mike_c did not do. He did not go shopping around for a lower bidding lord after I gave him the strategy and then clarified the strategy, catching him up on where the Republic has advanced during his absence.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: Right. As asciilifeform is still politically alligned with the Republic, I find the proposal agreeable in creating a second opportunity to demonstrate continuing submission.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: Well, certainly both options had dimensions in which they are cheaper than the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10
diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of juliankunkel from 2 to 1 << busy being a CS lecturer at Reading Uni.
deedbot:
diana_coman updated rating of alex__c from 1 to -2 << chose to do nothing with all the time in the world.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35
diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: In mike_c's case, I am very confident I can make the case that gets his coin back. The argument is grounded in Republican doctrine as I understand it, proceeds from cause, does not import Pantsuitisms, and is incredibly removed from the late ROTA's derpitude.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: Ah, I thought maybe you were taking the infuriating nature of the things encountered during the research as informative of the price/shape of my proposal.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: It's a nuanced thing. There is very good reason the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly* the way it is.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, truth be told there's this immense, but i do mean IMMENSE pile of accumulated tech debt via "i'll do it tomorrow"
device ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-12-14
diana_coman: jfw: I went through your keksum proggy and it's been quite a pleasure really; a few nitpicks on top of
those: 1. why default/fallthrough on "bad option" instead of the more useful help option? 2. you have nicely \t everywhere except in usage_err in main.c where it's \s 3. just out of curiosity re
dorion_road: trinque I'll circle back to that in a bit, talking with
diana_coman in #o
trinque:
diana_coman: did the point of comparing open source to protestantism not make sense, or what
trinque:
diana_coman: I'm not going to do the "hurr, be a man and toil in this mountain of boy's cumsocks" thread again.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, well yeah but i mean, before it fails all pig iron's perfectly respectable. after, you find out it had a bubble.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:40 mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:53:10 trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to
diana_coman's bunch?
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: Not a single action on his part suggested anything informed by theory. Strict application of method as informed by practice.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje,
diana_coman thanks, apologies for miwording.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:53:10 trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to
diana_coman's bunch?
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, i thought the model was that those rated by my as 9 are on the list of ratings deedbot looks at to establish l2
deedbot: jfw rated
diana_coman 5 << ossasepia.com, long-time Trilema scholar, develops Eulora, knowledgeable on computing, writing & other topics; committed to seeing things for what they are & solving the right problems. My mentor & Master at Young Hands Club.
trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to
diana_coman's bunch?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:14:38 BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
BingoBoingo:
diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15
diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, and she's gonna accept that, too, cuz that's how people are built from nature : sensible. women especially.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, right ? boys who never ~could~ have >50yo girlfriends.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, he's not entirely wrong, either. his diagnosis is correct in at least that juncture : that radical pantsuits never got anywhere, 1960 - 2020, through the exact same mechanism : just as soon as they had two sticks to rub together, they'd get baited into confrontation with the establishment, cuz they're such great heroes &
ilya muromets' their name.
deedbot:
diana_coman rated dorion_road 1 << talking while travelling.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:43:30
diana_coman: or it gets pushed first and it becomes the new fashion, "was there any other way??"
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, i suppose "he should've retired broadly construed".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:58:04
diana_coman: hm, the bridge was his folly in that he should have retired while not yet "the old one, it's time for us"?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:58:58
diana_coman: but yes, essentially not being surprised, indeed.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, the queen didn't take it back anwyays, iirc.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, a yes, that. but by the time someone would venture money in 71, they had been extremely successful for 20 years.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, from young to old in the thirty years between 20 and 50, actually.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, nope, involved no flooding. just dragged the damned things over specially made, elevated... rail.
mp_en_viaje:
diana_coman, no, the isthmus is landmass. it was basically wooden railroad.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:10:17
diana_coman: ... too much silence.