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deedbot: diana_coman rated dorion 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://dorion-mode.com/
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i do not know what i want you to do, hence this convo.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, 1sec.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, ^
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you about ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, your expression of interest was when the thing went from an idea bouncing around in my headcase to a suspected good idea.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Having seen the folks diana_coman is catching in her school house and the issues they have with tight writing, I am inclined to draft an offering for a journalism short course. Maybe I catch some of my own students, maybe I get some referrals from diana_coman and others looking to tighten up the prose of their catches.
mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-29 06:08:11 diana_coman: heavy reading.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I suspect the lack of pings is a shortcoming of the way I set up the LAMP on the lifeboat. I will investigate it, probably later this week.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-28 06:44:58 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, why is it just so hard for theses folks ? check this shit out : http://younghands.club/2019/10/28/jfw-plan-week-of-oct-28/?b=Inves&e=#comment-59
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm hosting a demo box for diana_coman , so it aint purely 'your' .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you intend to fatwa all properly orthodox folx from subscribing, plox to let diana_coman know, give her time to find new blog host.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: might want to let diana_coman know, to 'stop follow the amateur exertions', she's been assigning e.g. 'v.py' as homework.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, why is it just so hard for theses folks ? check this shit out : http://younghands.club/2019/10/28/jfw-plan-week-of-oct-28/?b=Inves&e=#comment-59
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my focus to date has been 1) obtain and assemble the basic physical plant; 2) offer service to l1.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: presently i look among the l1. (unsurprisingly no one yet hurried to buy 20u or 2kwatt).
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i do not currently have a concrete scheme for 'expand l1, l2' that would rise to the level of a plan. (and i've permanently 0 interest in servicing heathens, i.e. those not in wot at all.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is strictly re the ~number~ of subscribers. if you were speaking of ~physical~ expansion, the plant could be doubled in size overnight if someone were to put in an order for such a thing.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of the expansion plans for which i have concrete #s, rather than 'wishes', are summarized. but 1st priorities are 1) service asciilifeform 2) service l1 (such that want in) followed by 3) all other forms of expansion.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It hard for me to tell at this point if that is because the sort of work in this environment is new. There may also be an element of "these derps went from freely spreading their derpligion to forming a crowd and hiding in a glass box.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, but mp_en_viaje is also right, i dun have a heavy-industry grade operation atm. possibly after successfully serving blog-grade rk's etc such as yours, for a while, can build 'tower of go-for-broke'.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 16:39:24 diana_coman: works; for now I'd say the main focus is on that business plan ; fwiw I would totally pay asciilifeform for the hosting right from the start, can calc what it amounts too once the data is published and plan is made.
asciilifeform: the 2nd ed. of 'costs' piece is still on track for oct 27. but currently asciilifeform's conscience torments him, feels wrong to actually charge anyffin until i know whatthefuck it is that the upstream is worth. would like to persuade folx to test, like diana_coman .
asciilifeform: ( there's diana_coman , ersatz-dulap hosting http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log + bot, and a trb . )
mp_en_viaje: the things diana_coman was saying re dc isn't JUST dc
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, eh, i don't think they have it any season tbh.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i rewrote comment and posted where belongs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty. ( further re traps, imho e.g. python -c "print 11 ^ 77" aint much of hurdle )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: noted, henceforth will comment there. ( in asciilifeform's pov is easier to follow comments in log, but really decision of author )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you have feedbot-comments set up ? ( i for instance do not, yet, tho afaik after recent fix my www supports comment-rss )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 03:59:17 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'
asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how which relevant ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 06:52:51 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten.
asciilifeform: the os is the current draft of 'asciilifeform-dulap' as earlier provided to diana_coman .
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Holding company shennanigans, these folks failed to put Latecho out of business 4 years ago.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:22:51 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << while all the other chicks from her hometown were busy mommyblogging... diana_coman 's been... doing other things, check her out lol.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i promise -- not to.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i did not get chance to actually read any of it, and dun know when will, atm. comment strictly re interesting titles..
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:18:47 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-23 asciilifeform: guten tag diana_coman . you may have noticed, i put back the bot . it was synced with the new autosyncer that was to get deployed right before piz burned down. i'ma put it as vpatch, but prolly wont get chance this wk, hands full w/ 2nd draft of ispism.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 12:36:29 diana_coman: spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947784 << will say this : several folx expressed interest. but presently i do not know if will have ~any~ takers: for instance mp & diana_coman have very specific reqs that i dunno if can in fact fill. they might have to make own, heavy-industrial hosting system. all depends there on outcome of the costs-draft-then-flame process. i do not want to somehow bamboozle folx into buying pr
deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 15:03:50 asciilifeform: for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:39:48 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 05:46:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")?
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947554 << and ty, mircea_popescu, diana_coman!
bvt: ftr diana_coman's keccak is 1.7 MB/s on my machine @ 100% CPU utilization.
asciilifeform: for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: moar in brief re expansions (will address pedantically in draft 2) -- they will have to be financed by actual revenue, and BingoBoingo-style auctions, i do not have massive capital (and what i have, is earmarked for physical irons, already ordered 'dulaps' and will be purchasing yet-moar of'em once it becomes clear that asciilifeform won't live alone in the rack)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re rk -- i included rk plant from the following logic : 1) it was best-selling product in era of piz 2) i am sitting on a crate of brand-new rk that did not get invoiced to piz or get to fly 3) pre-existing interest ( e.g. diana_coman's ) in inexpensive www mirrors.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'fully populate' i expect will happen quickly when l1 finds prospectus satisfactory. e.g. 4 'dulap'-type boxen and 1 shared-www per BingoBoingo's schematic already exhausts the energy supply. at which pt i'ma expand to full tower. and diana_coman is right imho, this oughta be detailed in 2nd draft.
asciilifeform: 'this is rubbish, not a proper plan' is not an eggog that i can work from, diana_coman . need detailed 'why, idjit, didntcha explain x?'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if it wasn't clear from thrd, i intend to give the askers what they are asking.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's simple logical consistency. why apply 1 standard for rack where park 0.1btc of box, and an entirely diff for wallet where park dozens of btc ?
asciilifeform: that being said, if diana_coman has specific 'what about x', plox to comment, i'ma address in 2nd draft along w/ mp_en_viaje's crit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:11:38 diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not a business plan
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947559 << diana_coman what, in your pov, is missing, that mp_en_viaje did not mention ? ( and incidentally did e.g. trinque ever publish biz plan / expense sheet for walletron? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:10:10 diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:06:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 06:24:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 16:34:01 asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box looks like this. it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails.
asciilifeform: ( earlier was wondering, how the moldavian d00d charges 35eu per 1u. but diana_coman's bandwidth tests seem to suggest the answer.
asciilifeform: ^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung!
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, myeah. it's funny how universal, and how hard-core, if "subtle" the political choices one makes shape the output.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 10:25:23 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: should I set her up with a ftp account on logs.ossasepia.com?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: presently occupied with ^ .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that thing is on insulator pedestal, under it is a 3mm steel sliding plinth. the temp in the dc is a comfortable ~20C when i last measured. (surprisingly, very quiet vs latech's, they have civilized freon cooling, entire back lot fulla chiller towers. and, interestingly, coupla thou. litres of genuine pre-ban halon 1301 for fire suppression.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the move will involve ~30 seconds of down time, we will schedule it together prior to any movement.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box looks like this. it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: didja ever make a note of what sorta throughput same item had at piz ?
asciilifeform: danke schon diana_coman
asciilifeform: diana_coman: before you go back to these -- is there a large file i can wget-test with from here , in ossasepia ? i'm curious re whether oceanic pipe is limit, or the speed of the rk ssd
asciilifeform: diana_coman: verily
asciilifeform: unrelated q for iptronix gurus : wai does traceroute to diana_coman's www , show a long-dead rubbish domain on last hop ? ( netsideproductions.com ) ? is this config issue somewhere ? (afaik harmless, but i'd like to know why it happens)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma publish plans and put to criticism. ( also have buncha photographies in queue for likbez promised to diana_coman , 'how to rack' . )
asciilifeform: mod6: if you send it in nao, i'ma emplace it on same arrangement as w/ diana_coman . (if want it back later, costs -- postage strictly.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman presently has 100m pipe all to own self.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 04:03:16 diana_coman: in more productive news: ossasepia.com is back at new IP 205.134.172.6 ; many thanks to asciilifeform for setting it up and to BingoBoingo for making the very smooth transfer possible!
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946750 << wb ossasepia ! btw. and yw diana_coman . service is phree until 1month after : cost sheet posted (i expect mon. 21 oct) and passes rigorous mp_en_viaje crit .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 03:56:17 diana_coman: trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946
trinque: diana_coman: I don't dispute that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 05:25:24 diana_coman: I hope it's 50k btc / yr at least .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 04:24:12 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 - you also expect everyone else to hunt you in the dark and come all the way to texas just for the pleasure of finally seeing those delicious flaws, or what?