assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209064 @ 0.00075126 = 157.0614 BTC [-] {21}
mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 322982 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1593 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 51 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32500379787.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.23473
BingoBoingo: -Diff change?
ben_vulpes: pshaw
cazalla: what do you think, http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/about-me/ obvious troll too obvious?
assbot: About Me - Olukayode Tendai Bio
BingoBoingo: lol cazalla
mats_cd03: terrible.
cazalla: mats_cd03, i bet i can get andreas to retweet
mats_cd03: do it
BingoBoingo: You can try
cazalla: and then swap the content out heh
cazalla: like a cake, it's needs to stay in the oven a bit longer before i serve it to him
cazalla: it even
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe do a piece on how Chuck Tayor would have solved Liberia's Ebola with Dogecoin?
cazalla: that's an idea, next one i'm writing is "was satoshi a black man?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00074947 = 3.9347 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Interesting?
cazalla: pledge dogecoin to ebola-chan
danielpbarron: cazalla, what's your twitter handle?
cazalla: i don't have one but i will make one for this soon enough
cazalla: !up up-me-plz
cazalla: bah, not authenticated
BingoBoingo: !up up-me-plz
up-me-plz: cazalla: re, bitcoinprivilege.com I cannot wait for the changes due to bitcoin allow the re-introduction of whip & chain slavery...
up-me-plz: sadly, probably not a troll.
thestringpuller: very popescu-esque
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol what is this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00074852 = 32.2986 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i bought that domain months ago, figured may as well put it to some use
mircea_popescu: lol glwi.
up-me-plz: ;; ud glwi
gribble: Google found nothing.
cazalla: good luck with it
BingoBoingo: !up notsaks
asciilifeform: ebolacoin ?
TheNewDeal: If anyone knows http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-before-november/#b3 / 1sj8Mc28C3WZUxZbkqqcSFdUHeB7Jufyc please send them my way, looking to broker a bitbet deal with them
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November :: 1.66 B (15%) on Yes, 9.36 B (85%) on No | closing in 1 day 21 hours | weight: 6`826 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00074813 = 3.404 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: !up sellnow-crashing
SELLNOW-CRASHING: guys. sell now. price is crashing
SELLNOW-CRASHING: 266 next stop
TheNewDeal: sell to me
TheNewDeal: !down sellnow-crashing
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.72, Best ask: 383.26, Bid-ask spread: 1.54000, Last trade: 383.87, 24 hour volume: 17707.37377805, 24 hour low: 368.9, 24 hour high: 402.9, 24 hour vwap: 383.192779615
ben_vulpes: noice
TheNewDeal: coins so cheap they're almost free
ben_vulpes: matters not to me
ben_vulpes: a pauper forever i'll be
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3W42P6W.txt )
asciilifeform: !b 3
ben_vulpes wishes he'd considered the scansion
ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=264 << funny story re apple shit
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: everyone likes to laugh at apple. but there is no obvious alternative to some of their products.
asciilifeform: (other than 'stay in castle, don't use portable electronics at all')
ben_vulpes: an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
ben_vulpes: DURING the hacker fix process for this (which ultimately entailed deleting the iCloud account in question), my acquaintance and sometime colleague was browsing through the lady's photos to find...
ben_vulpes: pictures of *his* cat
ben_vulpes: from *his* nexus 1
ben_vulpes: that had never been mailed anywhere
ben_vulpes: his hypotheses: she'd plugged his phone into her computer at some point and "sure whatevere"'d all his photos onto her computer, and thence to apple
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: know how we like to laugh at our ancestors' hygiene ?
asciilifeform: well guess what.
asciilifeform: !up Diablo-D3
asciilifeform: !up Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: [10:44:37] <ben_vulpes> an acquaintance of mine was recently derping on his girl's phone, as there was a hilarious loop where her old phone had 16G of stuff and was utterly full, bought a new phone with...16G of storage, connected it to her 'iCloud' account, and watched as the thing immediately filled up and bricked itself
Diablo-D3: that sounds wrong
ben_vulpes: well "immediately" per the local pipe throughput
Diablo-D3: even if you restore a backup from icloud, it doesn't restore your photos into your local photo storage
Diablo-D3: it keeps them in the icloud storage
Diablo-D3: you have to manually go into the photo app and tell it to copy selected photos to local
ben_vulpes: there is also a "sync my data" thinger for new phones.
ben_vulpes: you got upped for this?
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: yeah, but iphones are locked down
Diablo-D3: you can only use apple's shit
ben_vulpes: it's apple's thinger.
Diablo-D3 just had to rescue someone's fucked up ios8 upgrade on an iphone 5c
Diablo-D3: I went from having 0 experience with iphones to fixing them
Diablo-D3: I want to go back, tbh
Diablo-D3: they're infuriatingly complex
Diablo-D3: as much as I hate android, dear god its so much better
ben_vulpes: > 2 days experience, Diablo-D3's an iOS expert
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized apparatus to read, say, email, you're more or less stuck choosing whether to live in 'singapore' (apple) or 'liberia' ('android')
ben_vulpes: you guys will dig this
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: I dunno, it was fucking bullshit
Diablo-D3: what fucked it up is all this icloud shit
Diablo-D3: and the fact you need 4.7gb of free storage on a 5c to upgrade to ios8
ben_vulpes: ...
Diablo-D3: and they sold 16gb phones
ben_vulpes: other amazing apple stuff
Diablo-D3: and theres only about 12.3gb of usable storage on said 16gb phone
ben_vulpes: the displays system preference gives one two radio buttons:
Diablo-D3: so you need 1/3rd of your ufcking phone
Diablo-D3: to upgrade
ben_vulpes: "best for displays"
Diablo-D3: to fix THEIR bugs
ben_vulpes: "scaled"
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: well, to upgrade without a connected computer, yes
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: best for display just selects the correct scaled for retina
ben_vulpes: selecting "scaled" gives you 4 options
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: it downloads a turd, needs space to decompress it
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: no, tried through the itunes usb shit too
ben_vulpes: "larger text"
ben_vulpes: jesus Diablo-D3 let a guy tell a story ffs
ben_vulpes: "Best (Retina)"
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and it gets even better
ben_vulpes: an unnamed option (WTF)
ben_vulpes: and "More Space"
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: the icloud storage was filled almost completely with an incomplete backup
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because the phone tried to backup to 5gb of storage
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and my neighbor just said icloud was broken and she never used it
Diablo-D3: it was broken because it was full with a backup that ios should have never tried making
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: I mean, thats even the bigger fucking problem
Diablo-D3: apple ships phones with icloud backup automatically enabled
Diablo-D3: and only gives you 5gb of space
Diablo-D3: unless you pay for more
Diablo-D3: so, out of the box, your phone is broken
asciilifeform: lulzies.
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: and itunes's UX is so insane that theres no way to backup the photos
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: they expect you to use icloud for it independently of the make backup thing in itunes
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: so I had to go and fucking copy them out of the DCIM folder on the phone
asciilifeform: yet can you picture a talking head, or newspaper, asking question 'should a new os always use more space?'
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: so what I did do is
Diablo-D3: convince her to just fucking pay
Diablo-D3: for the $2/mo option
ben_vulpes: there is iPhoto. it copies photos from the i* pretty trivially.
ben_vulpes: no wait
ben_vulpes: just trivially
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: no
Diablo-D3: only if you're on osx
Diablo-D3: said victim was on windows
Diablo-D3: why she has an iphone? no clue
ben_vulpes: don't try to leave the cage.
decimation: imagine if ios/osx/windows had a new release that was smaller than the previous turd
decimation: people would be outraged because "you are stealing our new features"
ben_vulpes: well she's on the right track. have you seen technical incompetents try to use android phones?
ben_vulpes: the android platform does a magical job of implementing software-accelerated phone aging.
ben_vulpes: apple's done a decent job on the software jailing, so the phone operating system doesn't rot quite as quickly as its counterparts, so they're forced to release new "operating systems" that consume ever more resources.
ben_vulpes: on android, the users saw their *own* feet off.
decimation: ben_vulpes: agreed, my android phone magically rots, even despite my attempts to trim shit
ben_vulpes: the only people happy with androids are those with the budget to replace them every 8 months
ben_vulpes: or the technical savvy to wipe the things, ibid
TomServo: Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know.
ben_vulpes: i was just pining for my n90
decimation: I have hardware keyboard on my android
ben_vulpes: i'd settle for a startac
TomServo: decimation: How old is it?
ben_vulpes: my father sent me out with his startac when i was a wee one, for 'supervision'.
ben_vulpes: i forgot i had any electronics on me, went romping through a fountain, fried a legendarily high quality phone.
ben_vulpes: i cannot atone for all my sins.
thestringpuller: software accelerated phone aging?
thestringpuller: you mean the phone's hardware can't keep up with the updates?
decimation: it was released in 2012 http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_relay_4g_t699-4914.php
assbot: Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G T699 - Full phone specifications
decimation: upgrade bell rang, didn't answer.
decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked
TomServo: decimation: Hey cool thanks, didn't know about that one.
decimation: you can still find them new old stock
ben_vulpes: hilarious haskell dot com:
ben_vulpes: succ 5.1 -> 6.1
ben_vulpes: hilarious emacs dot com:
ben_vulpes: (/ 47 3) -> 15
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25554 @ 0.00074853 = 19.1279 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: (succ being something along the lines of "next enum, plz")
decimation: ben_vulpes: I downloaded and played with some of the arrayforth devkit stuff
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 47 / 3
gribble: 15.6666666667
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/heel/
assbot: Heel
ben_vulpes: decimation: and?
decimation: I was sad when I found you couldn't just edit in text, you need to use the 'colorforth' gui tool
mircea_popescu: guyse price is crasheing!!1
ben_vulpes: old news, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: no i read it on ircs
ben_vulpes: the sellnow nicks have already paraded through
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
BingoBoingo: %v
decimation: nevertheless they are neat chips, I might buy a devkit soon
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 190
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 385.6, vol: 17963.54312387 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 376.956, vol: 5374.38134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.43, vol: 21785.85056788 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 382.731921, vol: 36269.37660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 10.77926916 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.7095, vol: 64.05676885 | Volume-weighted last average: 382.906644702
decimation: idiots are selling btc for cheap
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> know how we like to laugh at our ancestors' hygiene ? << quite this.
mircea_popescu: there's going to be little as amusing as "security practices" of the 2010s freeranged interderp.
mircea_popescu: TomServo> Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know. << africa and my vaults.
decimation: they exist, just not being marketed by sexy
decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/technology/personaltech/glum-sign-for-apple-in-china-smuggled-iphones-go-begging-.html?_r=0
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
mircea_popescu: run 12 instances of curl off a huge file with awk 'NR%12==n only to discover that the fucking thing keeps blocking itself.
mircea_popescu: what the shit obscure bug is this one ;/
decimation: At an electronics market in central Beijing, one retailer was recently selling the low-end iPhone 6 and 6 Plus for 6,500 renminbi to 8,800 renminbi ($1,060 to $1,436), down from 12,000 renminbi to 15,000 renminbi ($1,960 to $2,450) just after the release.
mircea_popescu: decimation the advantage of owning the factory.
mircea_popescu: work a third shift, make yourself a bunch of ipads too.
decimation: when everyone wants an ipad that works well, but it appears apple's sexy has worn off a bit
ben_vulpes: they still go for a decent markup in ars
decimation: !up Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: yay
Diablo-D3: so
Diablo-D3: did someone really class action bfl?
mircea_popescu: a year ago.
Diablo-D3: did it go anywhere?
decimation: lol http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/technology/exposing-hidden-biases-at-google-to-improve-diversity.html << I believe this was predicted here awhile ago
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
mircea_popescu: not yet.
Diablo-D3: because I find it hilarious that people are just NOW realizing
Diablo-D3: that they're a scam
Diablo-D3: evne though I knew it years ago
Diablo-D3: and nuked all the bfl threads
Diablo-D3: and lost my bitcointalk modship over it
Diablo-D3: because apparently bfl was a smart enough scammer to "donate" a lot of money to bitcointalk
Diablo-D3: lololol
Diablo-D3: in the end, I am right
Diablo-D3: I am always right
Diablo-D3: it is a universal constant
mircea_popescu: !down Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: eh shuttup
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3 was on dope...?
mircea_popescu: he has his moments.
decimation: it will be depressing to watch google slowly merge into usg
asciilifeform: slowly? lol
mircea_popescu: why depressing ?
decimation: it rings the bell labeled "no escape" for all to hear in us-land
mircea_popescu: http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/cazalla_forum_posts.html << gotta commend cazalla for his honesty lol.
assbot: Forum Posts
asciilifeform: as if it is possible to have independent existence from usg while being 'the #1 xxx' in u.s. media organs ever.
asciilifeform: no escape << what evidence they ever tried to 'escape'
decimation: none
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, ever seen the lives of others ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: a, maybe worth sometime.
decimation: in fact the evidence we have is that they have tried to merge with usg since it became thinkable
asciilifeform puts on list
mircea_popescu: very good rendition of east berlin life and times.
mircea_popescu: mid 80
mircea_popescu: s
asciilifeform: east berlin mid 80s << aha, where i live now but with better people.
asciilifeform: when this kind of thing comes up, for some reason all i can think of is a fellow who worked in a lab across the hall from my old place of work - who fessed up to playing 'call of duty: iraq' while... in iraq
mircea_popescu: it's gets enough very subtle things exactly right for me to call it an passible teaching substitute for actual experience
mircea_popescu: also check out what butchery i made of english in that phrase!
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
decimation: he was probably in some air conditioned bunker "in the field"
asciilifeform: likely.
decimation: asciilifeform: have you taken the CADR verilog design published by Mr. Parker and run them on your own chip?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm not really enamored of the cadr as such
decimation: no but it would be an interesting exercise in archaeology
asciilifeform: decimation: others have, if i recall, carried out this exercise. it isn't considerably more interesting than running the emulator.
decimation: yeah good point. I'm gonna work on getting my 'opengenera' vm working again
asciilifeform: decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg
assbot: talmud - Imgur
asciilifeform: (ignore blue backbreaker, that's 'xerox')
asciilifeform: and yes, technically these are all hypertext-accessible (yes, possibly first instance of hypertext used industrially) in og. but paper is nice.
asciilifeform: i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.)
decimation: asciilifeform: lol. Yeah when I saw demos of genera, I thought "wait, did they invent hypertext too"?
asciilifeform: hard to say who invented. but who used to greatest effect, earliest - yes, them.
decimation: it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: to you have a sister named deedee?
thestringpuller: did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company that would be the end all to mining datacenters?
ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3
ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: no
Diablo-D3: I refunded investors and pulled out
thestringpuller: hehe that's what she said
thestringpuller: well i guess that's what he said?
Diablo-D3: heh.
Diablo-D3: but yeah, the whole DMC thing was hilarious
Diablo-D3: people keep calling me scam over it
Diablo-D3: yet it paid out more than was originally invested
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Diablo-D3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
ben_vulpes: this is true?
dub: sure, just not to the people who bought at IPO
Diablo-D3: dub: actually a lot of them stuck until the end and got their money back
ben_vulpes: lol @ Luke-Jr's rating
Diablo-D3: the only people who "lost" were those who idiotically paniced
ben_vulpes: -1 "i dunno"
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: yeah, luke-jr is a scam
dub: I doubt that but it should have been a whorthwhile lesson
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: its why I dont care about wot, its not policed
dub: whorethwhile?
ben_vulpes: it's adequately policed
dub: anyway, you can't put a price on education, Diablo-D3 is no scammer
Diablo-D3: dub: yes, whorethwhile
ben_vulpes: i know danielpbarron vaguely, i know Luke-Jr vaguely, i know how to weight their ratings
ben_vulpes: dag - you have a 5 from nanotube?
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: no, you're a troll
Diablo-D3: lol
dub: a surprising retort
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: yes, Im a troll that wrote a very important piece of software that a lot of people donated a lot of money to help make happen
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: now only if you could do that.
ben_vulpes: aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: lol, so important that nobody uses it
Diablo-D3: not anymore they dont
Diablo-D3: mining at home is dead
Diablo-D3: no profit in it, even if you own asics
dub: they all use the software you plagiarised now Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: dub: you mean "maintain"
Luke-Jr: dub: I have always given full credit to all authors and contributors of BFGMiner
thestringpuller: nanotube needs to update his ratings
Diablo-D3: lol "maintain"
Diablo-D3: cgminer = C port of diablominer
dub: thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you wish
Luke-Jr: dub: it's not broken, it works well
thestringpuller: nanotube is also a ghost
Diablo-D3: bfgminer = cgminer fork that luke-jr did because ck wouldnt merge his shit patches
Diablo-D3: ergo
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
Luke-Jr: BFGMiner = cgminer-the-GPU-miner + FPGA and ASIC support
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: except ck added fpga and asic support himself
Luke-Jr: cgminer = BFGMiner fork because ck wanted free hardware for doing nothing
ben_vulpes: ;;seen joecool
gribble: joecool was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <joecool> do you really have to ask
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: liar
Diablo-D3: free hardware fo rdoing nothing? nope
Diablo-D3: he wanted the hardware on hand to actually test changes
Diablo-D3: and guess what? he got the hardware in the end.
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: you forget, I actually know ck, you dont
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: guess what? he successfully trolled. doesn't make it any less of a troll.
Diablo-D3: lol Luke-Jr is so goddamned butthurt
Luke-Jr: anyone who knows ck knows he's a pain
ben_vulpes: so what if troll? so what if pain?
Luke-Jr: ck has a very large reputation for being a difficult person to work with
ben_vulpes: surely the commit history shows ck's contribution or lack thereof.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: yep
Diablo-D3: oh bullshit
Diablo-D3: ck just doesnt take shit from people
Diablo-D3: if he was hard to work with, I wouldnt have been friends with him for the last decade
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: that's why he hasn't had kernel patches accepted since forever, eh
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: he hasnt?
Luke-Jr: concepts, yes, but only after someone else has to go basically rewrite them
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: nope, even I have more recent Linux commits
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: -ck is out for 3.16 or whatever the newest kernel is
Luke-Jr: -ck is not Linux itself
Luke-Jr: it's a fork
Luke-Jr: like cgminer
Diablo-D3: its not a fork you idiot
Diablo-D3: its a patchset.
Luke-Jr: that's another word for fork
Diablo-D3: its bfs plus a few other patches
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: no, it requires the linux source
Diablo-D3: you have to apply the patch
Luke-Jr: irrelevant
Luke-Jr: that's just a technical way of distributing code
Diablo-D3: can someone ban Luke-Jr?
Diablo-D3: the signal to noise ratio in this channel went to shit when he came in
ben_vulpes: needs one more negrate
Luke-Jr: all a git repo is, is a patch set
ben_vulpes: its a fascinating slapfight i gotta say
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: not much of a slapfight when I have written code, and so has ck, and Luke-Jr hasnt actually done anything.
ben_vulpes: eh, link me
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you're simply a liar, nothing more
Luke-Jr: if anyone should be banned, it's you
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: I have seen your "code"
Diablo-D3: it is lol.
Diablo-D3: theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches
Luke-Jr: Diablo-D3: you are lol
ben_vulpes: until i see commits (ideally signed, but i don't think people were into that sort of thing back then) it's all hot air as far as i can tell
ben_vulpes: hola nanotube
nanotube haunts thestringpuller ooooOOOOO
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: diablominer is on github
Diablo-D3: hey nanotube
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually
nanotube: howdy folks :)
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: oh and do explain why
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: plenty on https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer
assbot: luke-jr/bfgminer GitHub
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: lol i ain't digging through y'all's shitpile
ben_vulpes: link me to introducing commits tho and i'll start to care
xanthyos: someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores
xanthyos: i can't NOT buy though
ben_vulpes: yeah you can
ben_vulpes: just don't
nanotube: xanthyos: why not ask for a discount to spot
ben_vulpes: 20% is what - 80 bucks per right now?
xanthyos: i'll definitely round it in my favor
thestringpuller: oh wow nanotube speaks!
thestringpuller: you still feel the same about MagicalTux? ;)
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company << 1 mn BITCOIN. get it straight.,
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: IIRC it was related to signing implying you have audited the complete state of the code, not just the diff
ben_vulpes: well that's a load of malarkey.
ben_vulpes: the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys
ben_vulpes: a) lol
Luke-Jr: probably also because git maintainers like to rebase commits regularly
ben_vulpes: b) don't sign too often.
ben_vulpes: well then the sig goes bad and tough luck.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't know my history very well even though i lived it
thestringpuller: ewww rebase commits
thestringpuller: good way to lose your history
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: also, the sig can't prove who wrote the code anyway
ben_vulpes: da
ben_vulpes: fuq
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: it would be trivial for Con to take my commits and reauthor them with his own signature, for example
Luke-Jr: (although I doubt he'd go that far)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings
Luke-Jr: thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux << i don't think he ever revisits them or anytrhing
ben_vulpes: wouldn't really pass an inspection tbh
Luke-Jr: nanotube: wow, your new rating for Mark is harsh! :o
mircea_popescu: <dub> thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken << nah. if you know who people are you know what to discount. if you don't know, you can't use their ratings anyway.
BingoBoingo: nanotube ratings watch http://dpaste.com/05T9JSY
assbot: dpaste: 05T9JSY
Luke-Jr: nanotube: the news last I checked said the police don't buy the conspiracy theories
ben_vulpes: police? what is this.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: you know, the people investigating the MtGox incident
mircea_popescu: well this banstuff has been an amusing read.
Luke-Jr: who actually have access to information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20631 @ 0.00074823 = 15.4367 BTC [-] {3}
Luke-Jr: unlike me or most people
ben_vulpes: yes, the entirely honest and upright japanese police.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr you read some conspiracy theories about what the police is buying ?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: conspiracy theories being people saying Mark did it, with no evidence
mircea_popescu: <Luke-Jr> ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually << by idiots.
Luke-Jr: police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ?
Luke-Jr: lol
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL?
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy?
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: wat?
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: that's a point. XD
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 379.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 379.99, 24 hour volume: 18630.84954422, 24 hour low: 368.9, 24 hour high: 401.41, 24 hour vwap: 382.91805711
ben_vulpes: ;;rate luke-jr -1 tard, fud: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849440 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 04:59:01; Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user luke-jr has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well, BFL has only very recently been shutdown and taken into recievership for merely doing what they've been doing for their entire run.
ben_vulpes: !down Luke-Jr
nanotube: Luke-Jr: not implying culpability, simply that i wouldn't trade with him given all the stuff hanging over his head
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? << the notion that "the police" has "the information" is such lmao.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: what I said is true, even if you disagree with it
ben_vulpes: well, you've got fifteen minutes, Luke-Jr. make the best of 'em.
mircea_popescu: they've got what they finally managed to read on trilema, basically.
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: did the feds at some point say BFL was legit?
Luke-Jr: nanotube: ah, makes sense
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: your assertion of such doth not proof make.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Never, one judge commented that there wasn't enough in front of him at the time to revoke Sonny's parole, far from an endorsement
Luke-Jr: nanotube: btw, any idea why b-otc.com is broken?
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: my point exactly
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: Japanese police have stated they don't think Mark is involved in the crime
ben_vulpes: he was still at the helm.
mircea_popescu: no they didn't lol.
nanotube: Luke-Jr: seems to work for me, just checked.
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: yes, he screwed up big time
ben_vulpes: it happened on his watch.
Luke-Jr: nanotube: weird :/
mircea_popescu: what the fuck dorkhead do you have to be to believe sssomething like that. "o the police said this guy isn't involved". how'd they know and why'd they say that.
ben_vulpes: !up Diablo-D3
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: they're investigating the theft
mircea_popescu: right.
Luke-Jr: and have access to information we don't
mircea_popescu: no, they don't.
Luke-Jr: nanotube: try over IPv6?
BingoBoingo: No reason police aren't for sale like anyone else.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : that's the definition of "investigating" : they dion;t know who did what
mircea_popescu: and who's not involved.
mircea_popescu: just because the idiots you normally shill at can't read japanese doesn't mean you actually get to propose nonsense in here as fact.
Luke-Jr: I don't shill.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: too bad, I don't save every news article I read.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: because "news articles" are a source now.
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: amusingly, you can't even find them when the time comes.
ben_vulpes: not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: "news articles" was the topic
Dimsler: Luke-Jr, wtf are you talking about
mircea_popescu: but the very notion that "the police"'d have some sort of priviledged access to information...
mircea_popescu: holy shit, that takes the cake.
Luke-Jr: Dimsler: ?
Dimsler: i know
nanotube: mircea_popescu: they /should/ have the entire gox database, unlike the general public.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: they do
mircea_popescu: nanotube you mean that thing that was stolen off their servers 5x ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure they do o.o
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, maybe they have access to the "secret" server
mircea_popescu: yeah, right.
mircea_popescu: maybe they have access to their own behinds.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: it's pretty obvious MagicalTux isn't allowed to publicly say a lot of stuff
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely, giving what we know of public servants, but why not hoep.
Luke-Jr: that stuff, the police have access to
nanotube: mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions?
mircea_popescu: yeah because co-conspirator testimony is like the be all end all of truthsources.
mircea_popescu: nanotube now how would one know this ?
nanotube: i distinctly recall it didn't have some of my earliest transactions :P
mircea_popescu: which one of the leaked versions of which particular breach ?
nanotube: also, were there usd input/outputs? or just btc?
nanotube: haha i don't even know :P
mircea_popescu: i rest.
mircea_popescu: let's talk of something else, this can't not end up retarded.
nanotube: hehe me too! sleep time :)
Luke-Jr: XD
Luke-Jr goes back to code
mircea_popescu: don't forget to sign it.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which,
mircea_popescu: ;;seen molokodesk
gribble: molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.
RagnarDanneskjol: hes working on it hastily
mircea_popescu: aite
ben_vulpes: that's a poor way to work on things
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno
mircea_popescu: guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ?
ben_vulpes: let's see if this works yet
mircea_popescu: gotta work hygienically yo!
ben_vulpes: !down Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: !down ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: oddly, you're reg'd
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ben_vulpes
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
ben_vulpes: odd how?
mircea_popescu: well if you're reg'd why doesn't the down take
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla ?
ben_vulpes: caching somewhere.
[]bot: Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $80 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1052/
ben_vulpes: (just a guess)
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $80 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1052/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
ben_vulpes: for the record, signing not your own commits is anathema and will eventually be outed.
ben_vulpes: a signed tag is a different thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes eh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: explain signed tag pls
mircea_popescu: why, if you've read it ?
ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: you're familiar with tagging in git?
RagnarDanneskjol: sure
RagnarDanneskjol: why bettr or different
asciilifeform: why commits shouldn't be PGP signed... leaks keys << sorta like the idea that one shouldn't blow nose - leaks brains. yes, given some misconfigurations of the body - this can actually happen.
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: a commit is "i did this code"
mircea_popescu: splendid analogy
ben_vulpes: a tag is "this release bears my stamp"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can i commit code my slavegirl wrote on her offline abacus ?
RagnarDanneskjol: OH yea
ben_vulpes: tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch.
ben_vulpes: you can do anything you want
ben_vulpes: how your wot handles it is unresolved
mircea_popescu: so then if i sign a commit you made, what's the problem ?
ben_vulpes: why not encrypt messages to bitcoin private keys? it works, what's the problem?
mircea_popescu: can you stick to arguing your idea instead of arguing around ?
ben_vulpes: i'll try.
ben_vulpes: the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen.
ben_vulpes: and multiple people providing input into what precisely should be done. however, the buck must stop with the signer of the commit.
thestringpuller: diff of commit hash in blockchain?
ben_vulpes: also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective.
ben_vulpes: er, commit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but see, if what you mean to say is "signing actual commits may be taking on more responsibility than you realise", why say "anathema" ?
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, all signatories of a thing are joint and several responsible for it.
ben_vulpes: that's why the signatory of the commit can only be held responsible for changes introduced in that commit.
mircea_popescu: if that's what you're trying to do, it's not anathema, it's the right thing. if it's not what you're trying to do it's still not anathema, just, you're misguidedly using the tools
ben_vulpes: sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one.
ben_vulpes: what would it mean for it to be in something that someone signed?
ben_vulpes: that's the importance of signing the diff.
mircea_popescu: well up to the signer what he signs.
ben_vulpes: that's why the commit is the right thing for a contributor to sign.
ben_vulpes: "i changed these things, and i take responsibility for the content of the change."
ben_vulpes: now if you strip whitespace on a line that later turns out to have a mission-critical hole...
mircea_popescu: sure, if that's what he means that's what he should do.
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, don't dick around with lines you don't udnerstand.
mircea_popescu: "all i did was the space guise" psshhhh
ben_vulpes: d'accord.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of the exercise is to make people fucking affraid to write code.
asciilifeform: ^
ben_vulpes: now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase".
mircea_popescu: that' the only way they'll stop long enough to read something.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's nonsense. what's this, a badly specified bitbet bet ?
ben_vulpes: or, "this signed tag is my stamp on lines xx-yy in file thus.hs"
mircea_popescu: no dude, you include what you sign between --begin and end
ben_vulpes: i'm demonstrating the range of what's possible, not what i'd do.
mircea_popescu: no signature-by-reference. now THAT'
mircea_popescu: s anathema.
ben_vulpes: and you probably want to hash the lines and sign the hash to boot.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794835 << example of responsibility☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2014 20:08:25; asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: right.
ben_vulpes: what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own.
ben_vulpes: if i find commits like that without a "copied without permission from XXX" -- that's a demerit.
asciilifeform: (example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions)
asciilifeform: as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you could only make people terrified in this system if everyone was required to sign commits no?
asciilifeform: and yes, that means, e.g., linux kernel.
asciilifeform back to sleep
ben_vulpes: in 20 years, a bitcoin implementation may be software people's "masterpiece" work - eg the piece of work that grants one the title of "master" in the field.
ben_vulpes: if i see this day i will be a happy man.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5390 @ 0.00075234 = 4.0551 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: isn't linux kind of that to operating systems?
thestringpuller: ^ ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. << why ?
mircea_popescu: there's no permission to be had or sought. this is free software.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. girls aren't required to fuck anyone and yet they're well terrified of not doing a good job in bed.
Dimsler: what about rape
mircea_popescu: what abou it ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what if someone doesn't sign "heartbleed introduction" then no one is accountable and system is moot
mircea_popescu: don't use it if you don't like how it's signed.
thestringpuller: but this means software that is signed everywhere has more accountability than software that doesn't
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
thestringpuller: up for me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00074955 = 12.6674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00074928 = 10.9395 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 28,540.
RagnarDanneskjol: are there any time-bending' methods for proving a doc [notarized electronically*] is not added[forged] to db AFTER some point in time? like a 'carbondated' irrefutable binary marker [or tensor more like]. for instance, unique single use keypair for each new calendar day thats signed by [or a hash of] some other newly generated 'time-dependent' keypair + 'something else'[ie classified new
RagnarDanneskjol: sapr ad but more easily recoverable]. we'll presume the date record of keys published is unreliable/unavail/innacurate [including classifieds which could fall into all 3 categories] and placing aside the single use pair being vulnerable to forger obtaining historical key pairs in advance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074918 = 12.4738 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well how are you going to put the hash in a block retroactively ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this discussion can continue tomorrow, i'm off.
RagnarDanneskjol: assuming it is compromised (not thinking about btc here at all)
RagnarDanneskjol: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00074779 = 45.4656 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00074698 = 13.1528 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: re carbondating notary - some concepts here for consideration [PMCP, reducing model checking many to few, etc] http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~kahlon/papers/many-to-few.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation
assbot: Einstein notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074946 = 1.1991 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: bonjour davout
fluffypony: Ça va?
davout: bien le bonjour
davout: oui et toi-même ?
fluffypony: ça va comme ci, comme ça :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074757 = 12.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25267 @ 0.00075274 = 19.0195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075076 = 7.3574 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16439 @ 0.00075103 = 12.3462 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes nah, i just fucked around with the db while moving ass.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28807 @ 0.0007505 = 21.6197 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00075283 = 18.4443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00075043 = 12.7948 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: 03:06:03 decimation:before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked <<there's a 2013 model? whats the difference with 2012?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849231 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#848053 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 03:06:03; decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 19:41:17; kakobrekla: (first day i had it, it flew about 3m vertically on a concrete floor)
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.0, Best ask: 381.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 381.01, 24 hour volume: 22154.10823573, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 393.51, 24 hour vwap: 379.630123584
ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360s
assbot: 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s
ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360s
assbot: 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s
ThickAsThieves: !s thickasthieves 360
assbot: 2 results for 'thickasthieves 360' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360
ThickAsThieves: derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00075043 = 18.9108 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers."
ThickAsThieves: "The machines being tested were collectively hashing at a rate of 12 terrahashes per second (TH/s). At that time, this comprised approximately 3 percent of the hash rate of the entire bitcoin network."
ThickAsThieves: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-butterfly-labs-mined-bitcoins-on-customers-boxes-before-shipping/
assbot: Feds: Butterfly Labs mined bitcoins on customers boxes before shipping | Ars Technica
los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker
ThickAsThieves: Circle is open for business, that should halve Coinbase's lifespan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00074726 = 21.4837 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: their hamburger menu illustration is hilarious
ben_vulpes: er
ben_vulpes: animation
ThickAsThieves: "Create a password" "minimum 6 characters"
ThickAsThieves: lol Intuit just responded to a 2yr-old service request from a developer that used to work for me
ThickAsThieves: "Hi, I'm interested in developing integration apps with Quickbooks online. May I sign up for a one year developer account?" too late Intuit
ben_vulpes: why does everything suck, ThickAsThieves
ben_vulpes: one guy says to hire a whole payroll company
ben_vulpes: another guy says to just use quickbooks payroll
ben_vulpes: i don't know wtf to do
TomServo: Am I seeing this right? Lenovo is paying less for IBMs server division than M$ paid for Mojang?
TomServo: Is this bizarro world?
mats_cd03: minecraft is a big deal and i think that's often understated in this channel
chetty hasn't noticed anyone even talking about minecraft here ..
mats_cd03: !s mojang
assbot: 4 results for 'mojang' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mojang
chetty: ben_vulpes, if you have employees where you have to do withholding and stuff, hire an outfit, cheaper in the long run
ThickAsThieves: <+ben_vulpes> one guy says to hire a whole payroll company /// in my experience doing your own payroll via QBO is better than paying ADP or such, but only if your staff knows some amount of accounting and tax filing
ThickAsThieves: it does make it easy, but at the risk of not knowing wtf to do if you have a problem and no accounting support
chetty: all the assorted tax filings and stuff are real time eaters
ThickAsThieves: and QBO doesnt make it clear when/what you need to mail yourself, vs submit online
ThickAsThieves: i learned by doing and it took a couple years to clean up the mess
ben_vulpes: > couple years
ben_vulpes: nope
ben_vulpes: thanks chetty, ThickAsThieves
chetty: been a few years since I did that sort of stuff but back then giving up and hiring a company was best move I made
ThickAsThieves: being a loner is where it's at
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/fans-raise-cash-to-help-phone-phreaker-john-draper-aka-capn-crunch << had no idea he was alive
assbot: Fans raise cash to help phone phreaker John Draper, aka Capn Crunch | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/my-coworkers-made-me-use-mac-os-9-for-their-and-your-amusement
assbot: My coworkers made me use Mac OS 9 for their (and your) amusement | Ars Technica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00074597 = 36.0304 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00074764 = 6.6914 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: http://online.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-protests-swell-as-riot-police-withdraw-1411979074?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories << contrast w/ "occupy"
assbot: Hong Kong Protests Swell as Riot Police Withdraw - WSJ
mircea_popescu: ;;rated PeterL
gribble: You have not yet rated user PeterL
mircea_popescu: ;;rate PeterL 1 Guy fucked up his glbse assets 3 years ago. This is a fact. That fact may be explained as a smart guy failing in a soup of idiots, and the optimist in me is inclined towards it.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
justusranvier: morning
mircea_popescu: how goes ?
chetty: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170977/gov%E2%80%99t-works-on-criminal-law-reform-to-fight-%E2%80%98blue%E2%80%99-dollar-
assbot: Govt works on criminal law reform to fight blue dollar - BuenosAiresHerald.com
ThickAsThieves: lol now Intuit gave the 1yr dev subscription...
mircea_popescu: huh ?
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: FYI: https://plus.google.com/events/c3hmjaeivvnd6oj02hvdo1ca658
mircea_popescu: justusranvier what am i lookin' at ?
mircea_popescu: Michael Goldstein presentats a tutorial on GPG contracts and the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. < that ?
justusranvier: We started syndicating our weekly bitcoin meetups.
justusranvier: So now they'll be put on YouTube
justusranvier: Instead of just teaching classes to the people who show up in person it spreads the reach a bit
justusranvier: He'll be talking about your GPG Contracts article.
mircea_popescu: aite, how can i help ?
justusranvier: Maybe one of these days you could get on a Hangout with us for a Q&A.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-strategic-mission-list.pdf << mega-lol
mircea_popescu: what's a hangout ?
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/T0za6UsQ << deturdified
assbot: SECRET//COMINT//REL TO USA, AUS, CAN, GBR//20291123 United States SIGINT System - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i saw that.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Google's answer to Skype. Useful in that you can stream/record to YouTube
mircea_popescu: why must the format be bulky and impossible ? can't we do this ?
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/headlines-documents-ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining-case/
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Example: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8tHKJLkEYXX_C_yuDop1kC6UMozzCKXq
assbot: Austin Bitcoin Meetup Guest Speaker Series - YouTube
mircea_popescu: do this : hire a chick wherever your studio is located. i'll pay for her tiome, give her an xchat terminal and she can read my replies.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.0007459 = 11.4123 BTC [-] {2}
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Could work
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining/
mircea_popescu: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: Well howdy!
mircea_popescu: how goes
moldysnizz: It's pretty good so far. Slept in. No one around but a couple of dogs. Still breathing... Good shit right here.
moldysnizz: And I only fucked up my ;;bcverify once!
moldysnizz: I've been trying to wrap my head around rand().
moldysnizz: Computers making randome numbers? I don't think so.
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust moldysnizz
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moldysnizz!~moldysniz@unaffiliated/moldysnizz. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user moldysnizz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=moldysnizz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moldysnizz | Rated since: never
moldysnizz: I was formarly chatquack, but the computer with the creds is in storage.
jurov: govt storage?
moldysnizz: heh
moldysnizz: Parents garage. ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: moldysnizz you prolly need to read everything ascii ever said.
moldysnizz: In reguards to rand()?
kakobrekla: correct
moldysnizz: regards**
moldysnizz: *goes to the site*
kakobrekla: one star is enough
TheNewDeal: ***
kakobrekla: now fix it with "regards***"
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHz9wlBeLUa
assbot: Madonna - Lucky Star - YouTube
moldysnizz: regards! heh.
jurov: dunno, large part of that material is scattered around trilema
kakobrekla: !s from:asciilifeform
assbot: 26135 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform
jurov: related to cardano rng
kakobrekla: moldysnizz ^^
moldysnizz: ty
mircea_popescu: !s "state of sin"
assbot: 7 results for '"state of sin"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22state+of+sin%22
TheNewDeal: Randomly scattered around trilema?
kakobrekla: not so randomly!
kakobrekla: quasi randomly perhaps
jurov: where did i wrote randomly?
mircea_popescu: there is method to this random!
kakobrekla: where did i wrote you wrote?
jurov: not you, TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: jurov looks like your buffer got injected :D
kakobrekla: lel
jurov: kako's too
kakobrekla: we better sign irc lines
asciilifeform just saw, through window, an ornate 'sheriff' car, stopped. woman in police uniform emerges, tries to serve some kind of legal notice printed on large stiff paper to neighbour - who isn't home. she gets back in, drives off.
TheNewDeal: It was mostly a joke, on the topic of rand() ya know
kakobrekla: dud idk random jokes are so rand()
moldysnizz: wakka wakka
TheNewDeal: Ikr lol
jurov: dat my mind. just produced a thought "what if we measure trilema entropy? and what if it ends up being over-unity?"
bounce: txtspk, bringing humanity into easy AI territory from the other end
TheNewDeal: Makes me remember the markov chain trilema
mircea_popescu: jurov no wai
mircea_popescu: THESE INSULTS!!!1
jurov: ...
moldysnizz: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 17:19:21; asciilifeform: incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni
mircea_popescu: trilema entropy is 0
mircea_popescu: you just gotta know how to read it
mircea_popescu: unfortunately, it is a skill i seem to have mysplaced myself ;/
bounce: s/spl/sp/
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-witch-hunt/
jurov: trilema entropy is 0 << means 1 bit of trilema text contains 0 bits of information?
mircea_popescu: no, by way of 1 bit of trilema contsaining 1 bit of information and so no room for this entropy cheez
asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
kakobrekla: isnt that a bit fast
bounce: "security by lack of entropy" -- my, wouldn't that be useful
mircea_popescu: ;;google time is going by really slow i think we might be dead
gribble: I think we're dead - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U>; Police Officer steals Marijuana. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU>; What 3 things did you learn while you were in a near-death - TED.com: <http://www.ted.com/conversations/2306/what_3_things_did_you_learn_wh.html>
mircea_popescu: bounce it's basically asciilifeform's plan for computing.
asciilifeform: !s stone sword
assbot: 2 results for 'stone sword' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stone+sword
kakobrekla: !s hammer phone
assbot: 2 results for 'hammer phone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hammer+phone
mircea_popescu: !s biggus dickus
assbot: 0 results for 'biggus dickus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=biggus+dickus
mircea_popescu: fixed now.
moldysnizz: He has a wife you know
kakobrekla: lel
moldysnizz: http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/ intresting stuff!
assbot: Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz yeah!
jurov: !up moldysnizz
jurov: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: mircea_popescu, did you ever get a decent prototype of that RNG device working?
moldysnizz: thanks jurov!
kakobrekla: moldysnizz http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri1.jpg
moldysnizz: ooo fun!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074764 = 7.9997 BTC [+]
moldysnizz: Is this like a Arduino?
kakobrekla: exactly like except completely opposite.
asciilifeform not sure how item in question could have been confused for 'arduino' - other than in both being small electrical gizmos
kakobrekla: both pcbs are blue
asciilifeform digs
asciilifeform: yes indeed - apparently an 'arduino' - blue.
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz a prototype, yes.
asciilifeform never had one, didn't know
kakobrekla has a few
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're 'atmel'-something-or-others with a bunch of convenient plugs, yeah?
moldysnizz: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427 ahh I didn't relize it was it's own thing. Looks fun!
assbot: Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.
bounce: clearly, for production you must come up with an unique colour
kakobrekla: asciilifeform basically yea. you also have the arm editions in same package.
asciilifeform: moldysnizz: this particular item (trng) is a very simple but safety-critical (hence amount of effort spent on it) component of a larger apparatus.
moldysnizz: Right? Any decent crypto needs decent rng.
moldysnizz: I'm love'n it.
kakobrekla: i guess i expressed myself wrongly, as atmel indeed prints arm
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i thought 'arduino' used an 'atmega'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075066 = 8.7077 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: theres hundredths of versions and editions
kakobrekla: arm example http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/images/product/Taijiuino/
asciilifeform: i never really grasped the appeal
mircea_popescu: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?
asciilifeform: how hard is it to plant a micro in a breadboard or simple pcb ?
punkman: asciilifeform: the selling point is mostly the Arduino IDE
mircea_popescu: davout http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/#c4057 << you got a comment on this ?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.87 B (8%) on Yes, 10.09 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 36`753 (100`000 to 1)
asciilifeform: ide << what's in there? sdcc?
kakobrekla: ide sux balls.
punkman: and the "community"
asciilifeform: or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ?
kakobrekla: i use em for dicking around mostly
kakobrekla: and bobms.
mircea_popescu: !up vorandrew
kakobrekla: bombs
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> exactly like except completely opposite. << lmao
asciilifeform can't read word 'arduino' without immediately thinking 'aradruin' from j.r.r.t's 'silmarillion' (and ru. translation of 'lord of rings')
punkman: cardanduino
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
moldysnizz chuckles
moldysnizz: Well, I have a shit-ton of reading now. Thanks for the info.
moldysnizz: I'm going to make my own TRNG. With hookers, and blackjack!
mircea_popescu: since you're doing that might as well go the whole nine yards
jurov: mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF has no text
assbot: F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614
mircea_popescu: make your own grilfriend
mircea_popescu: jurov looking
asciilifeform: grilfriend << 'i'm cooked on that side, please turn me over' (st lawrence of rome?)
kakobrekla never watched lord of the rings
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: good book, but you need to be a kid to appreciate imho
asciilifeform: the film - depends if you go in for that kind of film
kakobrekla: wtf is with the round stones in the mpif fund, did you invest in that ?
asciilifeform: ;;google round stones beneath the earth
gribble: Neil Young - The Round Stones Beneath The Earth (Dead Man ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQk8fborG4>; Dead Man Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: <http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html>; The Round Stones Beneath the Earth... — Neil Young — Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/music/Neil+Young/_/The+Round+Stones+Beneath+the+Earth...>
mircea_popescu: jurov http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=F.MPIF <
assbot: F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait wut ?
jurov: gut :)
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849932 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 18:16:19; assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
mircea_popescu: that'd be mike's doing
kakobrekla: speaking of mike
kakobrekla: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
jurov: but the phrase is from assbot's fortune file?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20899 @ 0.00075138 = 15.7031 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. Have you got any tobacco?
kakobrekla: lel
kakobrekla: its prolly the fact i cant code
kakobrekla: will that keep me off the list btw?
chetty: news.yahoo.com/israeli-circumcision-device-provokes-union-outcry-south-africa-141537701.html
nubbins`: chetty, there's a die antwoord song featuring a xhosa guy talking about circumcision
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbW9JqM7vho
assbot: Die Antwoord - Evil Boy (Explicit Version) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.0007472 = 2.2259 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla NO!
kakobrekla: :(
Blazedout419: nubbins` got my poster!
fluffypony: please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins`
Blazedout419: Looks really nice...now to have it framed.
nubbins`: ah hahaha, fp is having an aneurysm no doubt
nubbins`: Blazedout419 great!
fluffypony: nubbins`: well the thing is, they're not even satirical or funny
fluffypony: they just take tidbits and snippets of red-neck society and then blow it completely out of proportion to try and make it "shocking"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony sounds like a decent recipe for humor neh ?
fluffypony: one would think so
fluffypony: but in doing so they mostly come across as "meh" instead of shocking
mircea_popescu: "Die Antwoord (pronounced [di'ɑnt.ʋoːrt], translation: "The Answer") is a South African rap-rave group formed in Cape Town in 2008."
mircea_popescu: ok nm lol.
mircea_popescu: rave. srsly ?
fluffypony: yeah, see my point?
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: i do actually.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00074646 = 10.9483 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: good afternoon homies
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu i have a quick question about the cardano
mircea_popescu: shoot
kakobrekla: is topace gone from irc for good?
xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuR-E1CcAICyNh.jpg << THIS GUY IS UNSKILLED AT SITTING ON AN AIR MATTRESS
mircea_popescu: xanthyos got a problem down there ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00074936 = 7.6809 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if your question relates to design or manufacture, it is possible that i can help you
Apocalyptic: xanthyos, less caps ?
xanthyos: ya
nubbins`: o wow, just signed up for a circle account and used it for the first time
kakobrekla: thestringpuller yes, the pcb is blue.
nubbins`: such easy
mircea_popescu: can we be friends anymoar ?
nubbins`: imagine, buying btc with a credit card
kakobrekla: nubbins` did you encounter any amount of jerk with that?
nubbins`: kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit
nubbins`: transferred $50 from my credit card, immediately withdrew to cold storage address
Dimsler: lol circled
nubbins`: gonna wait a few days to verify cc fees and do the same in reverse
Dimsler: wait
Dimsler: circle will take CC and convert to btc?
nubbins`: yes
Dimsler: has anyone fed it hacked lines yet?
nubbins`: warning: cash advance fees may apply
Dimsler: whats the approval process?
nubbins`: no approval process, you just enter your billing details
Dimsler: no shit
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit << ouch :D
mircea_popescu: so basically... just as long as wasn't a big shit.
nubbins`: mp eat more fibre ;)
kakobrekla: or bricks
Dimsler: too much steak
mircea_popescu: Dimsler> has anyone fed it hacked lines yet? << i imagine not really so far.
nubbins`: what amazes me is that they managed to insure this whole process somehow
mircea_popescu: yet.
Dimsler: circle is going down
Dimsler: once the nigerians hear about it taking cc
Dimsler: for btc
Duffer1: that all sounds ripe for abuse
Dimsler: i know
Dimsler: sitting there feeding cvvs
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it relates to "intended use". I want to know if a certain scenario is in scope.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ideally, ask here, but if you must - pgp
asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason not to ask publiclyh
thestringpuller: We are talking publicly?
thestringpuller: I was just wondering if you were in the mood to take questions :P
Dimsler: who the fuck is stringpuller
kakobrekla: is in scope if you hook it up to one
thestringpuller: :D
asciilifeform: i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum
nubbins`: oh lel, my visa-enabled debit card works, too
Dimsler: lol wow
Dimsler: no idea verification?
kakobrekla: see nubbins` try out his 584 cards going broke
Dimsler: er
Dimsler: ID
nubbins`: Dimsler nope just cvv
Dimsler: whats the limit to load in?
nubbins`: $500 per week, it seems
mircea_popescu: Dimsler what a stupid q lol. how would they enforce a limit ?
mircea_popescu: 10k ips, 10k stolen cards, 10k bitcoins and womenz ain't one.
Dimsler: LOL
Duffer1: yep
Dimsler: 10k bitcoin = womenz
mircea_popescu: ;;got 99 problems womenz ain't one
gribble: Error: "got" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: let's have your scenario.
mircea_popescu: ;;google got 99 problems womenz ain't one
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: could the cardano be used as a blackbox key generator? for instance someone once escrow keys that are one time use, the device can sign a message utilizing these generated keys, but they are inevitably destroyed, and no one has true record of the private keys used to sign said message
gribble: I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one>; I swear to God I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one /.. – All Me: <http://rap.genius.com/2053385/Drake-all-me/I-swear-to-god-i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one-i-got-99-problems-getting-rich-aint-one>; Spreadshirt Women's 99 Problems But My (1 more message)
thestringpuller: i apologize for the disarray of thoughts. a dpaste more flushed out maybe more beneficial in terms of relating the scenario
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how do you (operator of device) intend to prove to your counterparty that you destroyed key ?
Dimsler: rm -rf
Dimsler: duh
thestringpuller: the counterparty is in the room and takes the cardano as part of the deal
thestringpuller: however the person generating the keys flips the switch
Dimsler: seriously anytype of scenario where a private key has to be trusted leaves room for malice
thestringpuller: to delete them
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how does your counterparty know that your cardano behaves as printed on the tin, and is not a substitute of identical appearance which you built in evil lab ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: or that you have not replaced firmware with your own, that spits out a predestined set of keys cyclically ever time zap is thrown ?
thestringpuller: how do people know the cardano came from you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu 's "good lab" in the first place?
Dimsler: signed
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you have concerns about solidity of design - you will have to study the published specs (upcoming) before considering purchasing device.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14616 @ 0.00075199 = 10.9911 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt
thestringpuller: no concerns just trying to see if use case i possible
asciilifeform: if you have concerns about supply chain - there is no choice, assuming you wish to use device, other than to examine your particular unit.
thestringpuller: is*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get the logic in your last two
mircea_popescu: so the guy is supposed to study the design, to find out if it comes fro mevil lab ?
asciilifeform: no
asciilifeform: this is the #1 most asked question
thickasthieves: to learn how to audit
asciilifeform: 'why should i believe you'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bt YOU asked HIM
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: yes.
thickasthieves: i recall you stating buyer can replace parts
Dimsler: what a silly conversation
mircea_popescu: ikr.
Dimsler: honestly there still a certain level of trust
Dimsler: that has to occur
asciilifeform: i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel.
Dimsler: i mean what are you nit picking at?
asciilifeform: that will broker transactions for him, be instantly recognizable as angelic on sight by a counterparty, etc.
thickasthieves: you cannot remove trust from human dealing
Dimsler: i know
Dimsler: thestringpuller, quit trolling
asciilifeform: let's rephrase. why, in just about any army in the world, soldier must carry and care for his own rifle?
asciilifeform: why not a barrel full of rifles, handed out before attack.
nubbins`: ooh i know
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually this is how it was done during romanian revolution
asciilifeform: well if only source for rifles is plundered arsenal - yes
mircea_popescu: coupla guys showed up at state tel;evsion building, dumped a sack of machine guns on floor
mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants
mircea_popescu: "get one, might be handy"
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: true story.
Dimsler: lol
asciilifeform: what were they? kalash clones ?
mircea_popescu: (not really machine guns as in, three person platform fired band fed. shitty mps)
mircea_popescu: ;;google pistolul automat carpati
gribble: Pistoale | Comparison tables - SocialCompare: <http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/arme-1bce5qox>; Infanteria Română – 180 de ani - Revista Forţelor Terestre: <http://www.rft.forter.ro/_wsn/01_biblioteca/pdf/c-006-infanteria-romana-180-de-ani.pdf>; teroristii din decembrie 1989 « The Romanian Revolution of ...: <http://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.com/tag (1 more message)
xanthyos: capslock on the internet is the death throe of the loud poor man
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: mechanical angel << well cardano is resistant to DPA, isn't this an angelic property?
thickasthieves: caps lock key shouldnt even exist imo
xanthyos: it made sense on mechanical typewriters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Md._1986 < that thing
assbot: PA Md. 1986 - Wikipedia
thickasthieves: back when typing in all caps was okay?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try to understand the idea. your particular unit, which you unpack, (optionally) study under microscope, replace various parts (optionally) with old stock, etc. - you can vouch for the properties of.
xanthyos: back when people used to troll with paper
asciilifeform: another fellow who pulls out a visually-similar apparatus - what can you say about his.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like ordinary kalash
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh now i see. i was once blind. thanks for giving me eyes.
mircea_popescu: "România, membră a Tratatului de la Varșovia, a decis trecerea la noul calibru la începutul anilor 1980. În loc să fabrice direct o copie a automatului AK-74, conducerea de la București a decis dezvoltarea unei arme independent de cea sovietică. Rezultatul, Pușca Automată Model 1986, deși similară familiei AK-74, avea unele elemente constructive proprii. "
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, they used to sell them - here! a few hundred usd.
mircea_popescu: moved to the m16-inspired vietnam 5.56, in 1980, but decided to make own gun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how they ended up in america - who knows!
nubbins`: thickasthieves: you obviously grew up in the age of varying-case fonts
mircea_popescu: ended up with clone with "some own elements"
mircea_popescu: it's really not a very good gun
nubbins`: should be a lower-case lock key IMO.
Dimsler: well romanian aks are pretty nice
Dimsler: probably the best one vs an original russian one
asciilifeform: goes 'bang' when pull trigger, that's generally all people ask for around here
Dimsler: what year did romanian aks go to mild receivers?
Dimsler: er milled
asciilifeform: american aficionados grumble about ro. metallurgy
kakobrekla: asciilifeform also 'not in the face' ?
asciilifeform: but i can't say specifically why
mircea_popescu: Dimsler not an expert, but prolly the 70s.
asciilifeform: not in the face << obligatory:
asciilifeform: ;;google project eldest son
gribble: Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son>; Project Eldest Son – The U.S. Scheme to Sabotage Charlie's Rifles |: <http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/11/15/project-eldest-son-the-secret-u-s-scheme-to-sabotage-charlies-ammo/>; Project Eldest Son: Covert Ammo Sabotage in Vietnam | Field ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ^ where the ubiquitous image of 'kalash that fires backwards' came from
thickasthieves: i think mp or someone already shared something like this, but http://dpaste.com/1ACV2MC
assbot: dpaste: 1ACV2MC: You Have a New Comment, by tat
Dimsler: lol
asciilifeform: broken spamatron.
Dimsler: the ak is pretty decent for back fires
asciilifeform: the 'eldest son' trick would work on almost any small arm
asciilifeform: or hell, even artillery piece
kakobrekla: cool
thickasthieves: bfl made these http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/M4J11vT.jpg
nubbins`: lel I KNOW RIGHT
Dimsler: LOL
asciilifeform: (americans simply replaced one or two shells' powder with tetryl, resealed container, and left it for enemy to find as a trophy)
kakobrekla: Y I NO SHIP? I R AIRPLANE.
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, q for the aficionados: is there any mining hw vendor that is innocent of the scam 'bfl' is known to have carried out ?
thickasthieves: i'd say no
kakobrekla: fury?
thickasthieves: ah maybe them
thickasthieves: asicminer did technically IPO before they had a thing
thickasthieves: though they never took customer money w/o shipping
asciilifeform: but is there even one asic vendor that didn't mine with customer-paid chips before shipping ?
kakobrekla: fury
thickasthieves: they also have the best logo
thickasthieves: amazing
asciilifeform: not even 'testing' ?
kakobrekla got his chips before he managed to get em running
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7724 @ 0.00075288 = 5.8152 BTC [+]
The20YearIRCloud: Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it.
The20YearIRCloud: Very much so , i have several
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah mostly
The20YearIRCloud: Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it.
punkman: this circle thing works, just grabbed a cheap coin
The20YearIRCloud: And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number
nubbins`: punkman +1 amirite
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: afaik there's some national list of prohibited features
The20YearIRCloud: So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip.
punkman: nubbins`: almost +1
The20YearIRCloud: It's a limited group asciilifeform : No barrels under 16" , gun must be 26" or longer, no fully auto/burst. No shotguns under 18" barrel.
punkman: surprised it worked in this shithole
asciilifeform wonders if small arms makers in usa spend more on metals, machining, or lawyers
The20YearIRCloud: Labor
The20YearIRCloud: The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker
asciilifeform: sue (civil action) or prosecute ?
The20YearIRCloud: Correct
punkman: nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them?
The20YearIRCloud: Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s
asciilifeform: let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long.
asciilifeform: how you prove it was 18 when left your shop ?
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on what kind of inspection you're talking about
nubbins`: punkman any major action required a SMS verification code
asciilifeform: whatever kind of inspection (ianal)
The20YearIRCloud: Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification
asciilifeform: yes - of design
The20YearIRCloud: If it's a prototype, and you have a commercial manufacture license, you can fix that
asciilifeform: but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item
The20YearIRCloud: If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length
The20YearIRCloud: It's very, very difficult
asciilifeform: no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.'
The20YearIRCloud: SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit
asciilifeform: you: 'it was 18. you sawed it off at fbi headquarters.'
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on commercial manufacture or doing it yourself
Duffer1: welding a muzzle device counts too
asciilifeform: inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!'
The20YearIRCloud: Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform
The20YearIRCloud: becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it
asciilifeform: that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'
The20YearIRCloud: Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family
asciilifeform: but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office.
The20YearIRCloud: law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker
Duffer1: forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity
The20YearIRCloud: where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun.
asciilifeform: just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business.
asciilifeform: since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor,
asciilifeform: they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot.
nubbins`: ;;tslb
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: no kidding
asciilifeform: in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets
The20YearIRCloud: or legal ones
asciilifeform: this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years
penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-internal-log/
asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)
asciilifeform: you: 'i wanted a belousov–zhabotinsky reaction.' judge: 'you want chemisty - go to a store.' you: 'can't buy in a store' judge:
asciilifeform: 'then illegal'
nubbins`: !up PeterL
nubbins`: use it wisely
PeterL: asciilifeform: presumably the gun manufactureres keep records of what they produce
asciilifeform: PeterL: you don't get it, do you
PeterL: signed by the techs certifiying they meet specs
PeterL: then they can use those docs in court
asciilifeform: PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this'
PeterL: then they would have to prove records were falsified
asciilifeform: really.
asciilifeform: this is the basic 'kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem
asciilifeform: any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem
asciilifeform: in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases.
asciilifeform: because in as far as prosecutor goes - he has easy life. i.e. an illegal $item with your name on it
asciilifeform: 'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.'
PeterL: I wonder if this has been tried in court yet?
asciilifeform: depends on what you mean by 'this'
PeterL: your example, modified gun used to prosecute manufacturer of record?
asciilifeform: PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun.
asciilifeform: gun is just one example.
PeterL: could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"?
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> use it wisely << actually he can selfvoice nao.
asciilifeform: (ask lawyer, see if agrees. as i understand - yes.)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the
PeterL: but any organic lab will have those ingredients
mircea_popescu: 'why can't miracles be accepted in science"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.
mircea_popescu: any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but.
asciilifeform: ^
Duffer1: i believe it would be enough for an arrest, prosecution would be more difficult
asciilifeform: exactly what i was trying to explain here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?!
nubbins`: !down PeterL
Duffer1: arrest if an officer wanted to fuck with you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` perhaps he doesn't know it yet ?
nubbins`: i guess he does now
mircea_popescu: PeterL ident with gribble and voice yerself.
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot PeterL
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PeterL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PeterL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PeterL | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075288 = 5.0443 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: another ghost graces us with her presence :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23584 @ 0.00075288 = 17.7559 BTC [+] {2}
xanthyos: http://theantimedia.org/max-keiser-to-join-russell-brand-on-the-trews-for-one-week/
assbot: Max Keiser to Join Russell Brand on The Trews for One Week | The Anti-Media
xanthyos: ^ two men both of whom i have trusted and have let me down. "but i love him and maybe this time he won't beat me."
xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam
Duffer1: how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00075286 = 21.6824 BTC [-]
xanthyos: i don't even track the prices of any alts
xanthyos: russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet
mircea_popescu: * xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam << should prolly blog about it
mircea_popescu: few do.
xanthyos: i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48
asciilifeform remembers
asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm'
mircea_popescu: lol
punkman: how many times did Kodak go bankrupt?
mircea_popescu: ahhh it's so great to see blogger.com die
xanthyos: i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose
Dimsler: the two biggest idiots
xanthyos: when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs
Dimsler: pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks
Dimsler: that are easy to convince into a wearing a tin foil hat
xanthyos: his gravelly voice puts me to sleep
thestringpuller: lets all buy caves property
mircea_popescu: shit guise, drop everything.
mircea_popescu: the future of payments is here.
mircea_popescu: http://billdesk.com/
Dimsler: lol
thestringpuller: ah the 90's
Dimsler: lol are you still here
mircea_popescu: http://wmtransfer.com/ check that out.
assbot: WebMoney — Universal Payment System
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00075301 = 24.774 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: probably older than paypal
mircea_popescu: yup
The20YearIRCloud: I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it
nubbins`: i know a hippie that put every cent he had into silver in 2008
The20YearIRCloud: at what price?
nubbins`: around 10-12 iirc
The20YearIRCloud: He sell when it was $20-$48?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/early-sign-pancreatic-cancer-0928
assbot: Biologists find an early sign of cancer | MIT News Office
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye#Death_of_Officer_Jones
assbot: Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/104678/
assbot: Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon
assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0
assbot: How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_
jborkl_: wtf is up with assbot, shithead
jborkl_: thank you for the up BingoBoingo
assbot: jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jborkl_: is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of?
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Nice
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot jborkl_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012
jurov: assbot doesn't know you
chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/argentina-debt-contempt-idUSL2N0RU1XB20140929
assbot: US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case| Reuters
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: how does that work.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display)
asciilifeform not mac expert
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it
BingoBoingo: Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware...
asciilifeform: afaik - 8 did
BingoBoingo: 8 does, but requires... greasing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture
BingoBoingo: No, but I've looked at some
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?
cazalla: cyber lashing for being lazy previous week?
asciilifeform: http://wnep.com/2014/09/29/search-for-eric-frein-shifts << lol, own goals: 1
assbot: Search For Eric Frein Shifts | WNEP.com
xanthyos: heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more
cazalla: asciilifeform, reads like First Blood
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up.
asciilifeform: cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'.
asciilifeform: cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city.
asciilifeform: but, as in 'wasp', one suffices.
asciilifeform: or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms.
asciilifeform: !s clever poor
assbot: 2 results for 'clever poor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+poor
mats_cd03: 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_
mats_cd03: oh wait, he quit.
mircea_popescu: this minimum effort bs, meh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently i can't zero.
mircea_popescu: fixing sorry.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.
cazalla: midnightmagic, np ty
mircea_popescu: but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp.
mircea_popescu: getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810.
peterl_: why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo
BingoBoingo: ;;google Ienovo
gribble: ‪#‎ienovo‬ - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ienovo>; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: <http://www.mudah.my/Ienovo+A680-28977948.htm>; Ienovo - Lenovo: <http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/EC-DoC_Lenovo_G480.pdf>
BingoBoingo: ;;google 1enovo
gribble: .minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmHQ0JGlWM>; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: <http://www.partnerinfo.lenovo.com/partners/weref/resources/downloads/brand/think-range/Poster_Channel_Think_Range_HighRes_UK.pdf>; details - Lenovo: (1 more message)
dub: yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/drug-case-that-won-darren-wilson-an-award-at-risk/article_8d962d61-543f-5305-94dc-d36700fda9ef.html << Dominoes
assbot: Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News
thickasthieves: cheap coins will be over soon methinks
thickasthieves: maybe last hoorah tonight
RagnarDanneskjol: why?
dub: solid TA there
thickasthieves: well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately
TheNewDeal: Please explain
thickasthieves: but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves
thickasthieves: doesnt mean it's gonna happen
dub: whats your traderview again
dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history
thickasthieves: https://www.tradingview.com/v/mwf4pGBm/
assbot: BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView
BingoBoingo: http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT blog
assbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.
cazalla: cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price
thickasthieves: my outlook hasnt really changed for a while
dub: 3rd world problems
thickasthieves: just took longer than i initially figured
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html
assbot: White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room.
mircea_popescu: http://pluss.vg.no/2014/09/27/1774/1774_23304090#xtor=CS1-1-23304090%5BHitlers+unge+d%C3%B8dsgud%5D
assbot: Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+
mircea_popescu: heh
dub: is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh
mircea_popescu: dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog
TheNewDeal: ;;Bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 323110 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175
xanthyos: what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport
mircea_popescu: well that takes time
peterl_: white house weed?
xanthyos: mushrooms pop up overnite
thickasthieves: i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation
dub: parts of china are like that apparently
thickasthieves: just make the thing a weed
dub: grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is
peterl_: are seeds expensive?
thickasthieves: dunno
xanthyos: only if feminized
mircea_popescu: dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution
thickasthieves: perfect
peterl_: the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product?
dub: eys
dub: yes
xanthyos: it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick
thickasthieves: well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that
peterl_: quantity makes up for low quality?
thickasthieves: cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere
thickasthieves: same for bitcoin really
dub: isnt it already heading that way?
dub: weed not btc
thickasthieves: well its changing quickly
xanthyos: dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain
thickasthieves: i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way
thickasthieves: i doubt she'd disagree today
dub: yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true
peterl_: but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list?
mircea_popescu: !up AMDCeleron
AMDCeleron: whats up everyone
AMDCeleron: i love the name assbot
mircea_popescu: dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough
AMDCeleron: who made assbot?
mircea_popescu: AMDCeleron who're you ?
AMDCeleron: a celeron processor made by amd
peterl_: are you a bot?
AMDCeleron: no
AMDCeleron: i am a loser
AMDCeleron: what are you
AMDCeleron: what are you?
peterl_: I'm a chemist
mircea_popescu: mkay this is not going so well.
AMDCeleron: ?
AMDCeleron: intel inside celeron n2830
mircea_popescu: !down AMDCeleron
mircea_popescu: gimme my voice back.
peterl_: lol
xanthyos: ;;gettrust AMDCeleron
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=AMDCeleron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AMDCeleron | Rated since: never
peterl_: that was quick, usually you let them play longer
mircea_popescu: i guess im growing old.
BingoBoingo: !up meowmix
mircea_popescu: fucking noobs, check this guy out.
meowmix: hey everyone
meowmix: <3
mircea_popescu: meowmix at least get a cloak, derp.
meowmix: whats a cloak?
mircea_popescu: * AMDCeleron (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: * meowmix (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
meowmix: whatever
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VYZ4EP.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
meowmix: who likes hurricane?
assbot: Last 5000 lines bashed and pending review. ( error )
meowmix: !b 5000
jurov: thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150
assbot: Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DAV6Y0.txt )
meowmix: !b 50
BingoBoingo: wait for it...
jurov: and then rbounce
BingoBoingo: !down meowmix
kakobrekla: yeah buttcoins are getting expensive
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck omfg
mircea_popescu: dragonfly flew right throug window into my head
mircea_popescu: i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/
mircea_popescu: shot*
BingoBoingo: Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering?
Peter_Lambert: one of those micro drones?
mircea_popescu: its an actual dragonfly.
mircea_popescu: that was trippy.
BingoBoingo: Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night
RagnarDanneskjol: http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-surprisingly-brutal-facts-about-dragonflies/
assbot: 10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: We have an insect gap.
mircea_popescu: "hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?"
thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
assbot: The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDPgd1V5Y << kickass
assbot: Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: pretty cool article