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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record this " the reason that source access is needed is the same as the cause of the problem: the inability to modify system behavior non-intrusively. if one could modify OPEN on any given system to acquire new behavior _without_ compiling a new OPEN or, even if you did, without re-linking the entire system (thus the need for dynamic linking and similar solutions, too), source code access would
mircea_popescu: he is correct in that foss is mostly a problem unto itself, making the previous situation worse rather than better.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the "solution" he contemplates is of the level of "because inept us-style corporatism displays all the sechelae you'd expect if you got a bunch of farmers to say how cars should look, let's everyone run in traffic!"
mircea_popescu: i do not WISH to run an "open" which may acquire unspecified powers in the future if the caller rubs its belly just right.
mircea_popescu: the principal specification of any machine, not JUST computers, not just software stacks, not just lines of code, is to specify what it can never do.
mircea_popescu: what he's talking about it is fractal they shall be delivered thing
mircea_popescu: how so. how the fuck are you EVER going to sign off on any code when it is not possible to say what function call will never do ?
mircea_popescu: currently our substance is drawn specifically from the fact that for the past 2-3 decades, these twerps approached the problem of functionality ("the software doesn't do enough") with nary a clue about the problem of feedback ("the software does too much")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sufficient and necessary concrete is readily available and of an abstract kind. i needn't any actual calcium carbonate to say various things about various bits of code.
mircea_popescu: that the concept is poorly implemented is a separable and in fact separate problem from that the concept is broken
mircea_popescu: we had a few threads about this. i suppose it's still an open q.
mircea_popescu: that may well be so. "with dirty hands no clean pages will be written".
gernika: mircea_popescu: I don't recall saying anything. Probably because I was pretending: "no big deal." or something.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
mircea_popescu: i kinda wonder if naggum had lived to see b-a, whethger it'd have been passionate love or some sort of weird hate thing.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't believe, eg, math, is "something created at mit"
mircea_popescu: even if he may or may not believe any particular building is the result of some people who did some calculations in private for money.
mircea_popescu: except if everyone had plutonium induced braindamage from the fashion of eating plutonium pills
mircea_popescu: and lest you think such a thing is "impossible" : ustards ate off lead plates for many years, and even blamed tomatoes for hallucinated poisonousness.
mircea_popescu: all this because they really wanted to be as cool as the euros and didn't comprehend that faking it till you make it just gives you saturnism
mircea_popescu: and wrote down that you're not supposed to flint, michigan.
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phf: right now it's a bit jury rigged though. most intrusive is the addition of "keywords" to scheme.c, i.e. :foo evaluates to :foo
phf: they have some package hack foo::bar (and not foo:bar), which mostly just breaks things
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assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 30.73 B (53%) on Yes, 27.63 B (47%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 1 day| weight: 61`697 (100`000 to 1) ... (
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mircea_popescu: amusingly bitbet is the largest pool on that topic on the whole internets, nobody seems to be aware of the situation.
mircea_popescu: even ended up in some slashdotty-like thing w/e it was
mircea_popescu: hey, history is written by a dude Ira and his studious.
phf: tinyscheme can't read strings longer then #define STRBUFFSIZE 256, hmm
trinque: <ben_vulpes> yo hey yo hey << looks like my bouncer took a crap while I was out for the weekend. sup!
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assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 02:30:15; assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
mod6: yah. i realized that lastnight. i think it also has to do with that i was using a derp version of gnupg too
trinque: mod6: good evening, and cool
mod6: anyway, not sure how i ever mixed that up.
mod6: anyway, i the latest, we just pulled that out for the time being.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 22:49:39; phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there
mircea_popescu: hey, were you running a russian bath thing or am i completely delusional ?
mircea_popescu: so... how about you pay the fine establishment a visit phf ?
JuliaTourianski_: my mother got a call the other day with some guy asking her if we have glory holes. she had no idea what he meant.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 19:08:14; phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome
mircea_popescu: eh girls get discounts everywhere nudity's even vaguely involved.
phf: of course, i'm always interested in new sauna places
phf: i prefer contrast baths, hot bath, cold plunge, but yeah i've been to all kinds
JuliaTourianski_: in turkey, we were walking round hoping to go to a hamam the next day..when we saw steam rising from one of the buildings...we inquired to find the oldest haman of turkey! it was amazing. they scrubbed me down so hard. and they giggled at my shyness.
phf: is that the one that's few blocks away from hagia sophia?
JuliaTourianski_: the general rule is...the more expensive a bathhouse is, the less authentic cuz only white tourists would pay that much to bathe...
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ did you get that gaming system made ?
mircea_popescu: the girl/boy ratio in eulora is starting to skew the wrong way!
phf: i've noticed that, there's a place right between the sophia and blue mosque, that's all turist.
JuliaTourianski_: am i masculine cuz i was addicted to minecraft or feminine because i built a kitchen
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i never played it, but is it inflationary ?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ nah atm noobs are making a pretty penny mining.
danielpbarron: i used to play on a hardcore pvp server that had a decent economy (for minecraft) and they would have to periodically reset the whole world
mircea_popescu: weren't ppls bitching that purse.io went scam or was that a different thing
phf: danielpbarron: wait, fullton street in nyc?
phf: interesting, i've not been to that one
danielpbarron: i pulled off some pretty cool raids on that minecraft server; the guy who made it coded this thing you could build out of expensive parts that would like you track down where people were if they stood in one place too long (usually building their big stupid elaborate base)
danielpbarron: got to the point i built a tracker so big i could scan the whole map using binary substitution, and just collected and sold coordinates to other people
phf: the one on second ave has pretty good food, but it's really just one guy cooking it. this wallstreetspa place seems like they might have a cook
mircea_popescu: i never cared, myself. nubbins` is the resident expert really.
assbot: You rated user JuliaTourianski_ on 22-Sep-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga..
danielpbarron: the thing with "load your own key" physicals is it defeats at least some of the purpose
danielpbarron: although i'm with nubbins` on the whole gpg chain of ownership method
danielpbarron: bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it
mircea_popescu: seems to me rather obvious these are intended as decorative accessories.
phf: seems like it would appeal to the same "commemorative" crowd as in fiat
mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: let's go at it this way : ever seen how much bums value cell phones ?
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punkman: danielpbarron: bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it << the keys are always stored on physical tokens. unless you have a brainwallet (and the mind-reading machine has not been invented yet).
ben_vulpes: this is an implementation detail, punkman
danielpbarron: yeah but you don't usually pass around private keys like bank notes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the value of the phone for the bum is unrelated to its utility.
mircea_popescu: for one thing - who the fuck is he going to call ? for the other - how is he going to even get it to work ? for yet another, it matters not so much if the thing even works in the first place.
danielpbarron: it sorta works with cacasius coins -- the ones that ~he~ loaded. But if each identical looking token is supposed to be loaded by a different entity, there can be no illusion of fungibility between them
mircea_popescu: note that i picked the bum specifically. for derps in "secure neighbourhoods", showing off to the neighbour is arguably a +ev move. who knows, maybe neighbour's daughter comes to do your house work in the nude or something. as faint as it may be - you're not going to get in fucking trouble for being an asshole. not so for bum. for bum, veblen goods are suicide goods.
mircea_popescu: look at "european cars", they've been selling the same damned thing for 30 years now. you ever watch one of their ads ?
mircea_popescu: there's a naked woman in a fur and a shot of some shiny cogs working together.
mircea_popescu: and they're not pitching to people who could buy the damned cars, but to twentysomething derps in college.
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and this is EXACTLY what elegance is. no fucking farmer in the midwest, building an empire and about to kick the fuherer's teeth in can POSSIBLY be elegant.
mircea_popescu: elegance is specifically the scent of early putrefaction.
mircea_popescu: hence new york was elegant in 1920, by the time it was just starting to no longer matter,
mircea_popescu: not in 1820 when it was kicking pensylvania's teeth in.
mircea_popescu: look at the item in question, it's faintly cog-like, and mysteriously made of parts bla bla. same exact play, for same exact reason.
mircea_popescu: all they need is some sluts in furs smoking out of hookas or some shit.
mircea_popescu: what's that, women that never queef and dudes that don't go bald ?
phf: andy warhol's gay entourage
JuliaTourianski_: regarding the kialaras... they're pretty pieces of art (which by wilde's definition is valuable in it of itself) plus they have the btc behind them, so they're an investment.
mircea_popescu: they're valuable in themselves plus they make a good investment. furs ftw.
mircea_popescu: splendid bit in there, right in the final sketch, de funes is this breton dude. "ils m'ont liquide!"
JuliaTourianski_: im writing a post called "It's not that there's no jobs, it's that your standards are too high. "
punkman: I like the Kialara coins, certainly different than all the other crap coins. but why would I buy one signed by Ricky Allman or JuliaTourianski? did you do the art on the back side?
punkman: ah, maybe tell the guy to put a note in the ads, I was confused
punkman: JuliaTourianski_: just the maxfield.me/blog/ link
ben_vulpes: and JuliaTourianski_ a great salesbabe
ben_vulpes: salesbabes don't wear spandex, boothbabes do.
phf: also great investment for those shtf preppers
phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
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mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 11:11:37; mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns. nevertheless it's
☟︎ mircea_popescu: baked in everywhere, to the level of fucking glibc (what fucking business does glibc have with offering a spurious aliasing service for ips AT ALL ?! that shit belongs three levels below glibc!)
mircea_popescu: very instructive example in how anglotardism works, imo.
mircea_popescu: the world, if you had the misfortune of being spawned by a dumbass with a drunkard, mostly consists of things "you couldn't possibily want", let alone need.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 05:16:47; phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 12:06:43; mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns
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assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:38:19; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ?
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ? << not offhand, can dig prolly december 2014
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2013 19:43:20; taub: Ulbricht posted on Stack Overflow using his real name, asking .How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in php?.. One minute later he changed his username to .frosty., but a subpoena shows the original name.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda wrote around it. but it turns out it was one gary alford
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it references cve 2015 7511, so it would be the one last year
mircea_popescu: apparently it's reported feb 12th reported as fixed 17th
mircea_popescu: apparently it was a leak of the ecdh keys, and there's an update libgrcyprt
mircea_popescu: ie they forgot to mention it works specifically on ec crypto. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no rule that you have to leak useful bits.
BingoBoingo relishes that moment seeing a headline with "CryptoFascist" and having no idea which way the story under it is going to go when read.
mircea_popescu: very specifically ecdsa problem with weierstrass curves.
mircea_popescu: but hey, why say this. why say dns is bs. why say any of the things that actually matter, when instead could just discuss convenient generalities.
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex withdrawal pls
mircea_popescu: "security hole found in gpg" vs "security hole found in ecdsa - rsa not affected, you should have not switched"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was iirc a flaw with chinese remainders, that was introduced much like the dns hole, for no reason, and then burned.
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BingoBoingo seriously wonders what universe ever particular break in various derp services matters
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BingoBoingo: White socialists have been trying to Uncle Tom southern blacks since the 1870's
BingoBoingo once took graduate classes where this was presented as some sort of "organic" phenomenon in black America even though the white evangalists of socialism (many of whom were influenced by the St Louis Hegelians) were prominently mentioned by the black authors in their literature.
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BingoBoingo: Seriously, but torts in TMSR are possibru in the future
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sharp piece on dns. looking forward to this being 'news' in 2019.
PeterL: regarding removing dns, is there a replacement mechanism for resolving hosts not on your short list?
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PeterL: what I mean is if you want to add a host to your list, where do you get the ip?
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mircea_popescu: PeterL you can put any website that checks dns on your short list if you wish
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trinque: PeterL: dig @8.8.8.8 arsebook.com
trinque: at that moment trinque was enlightened
pete_dushenski: assbot: show the courtz your enumerated goodness and that it doesn't include kiddy pr0n.
pete_dushenski: and start a 'safe the alf' bitcoin fund for your defense. you'll be fine.
jurov: have epitaph ready?
jurov: my guess is "At last."
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
pete_dushenski: what 50-100k. it costs 50x that much to spec a space pen.
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 01:03:43; mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
pete_dushenski: how many lazy retards to you have to employ with 'fairness policies' to capture a couple strong retards capable of torturing usg enemies
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~ << word.
mircea_popescu: the error there is to assume this was in any sense deliberate. was not, sop. except nobody cares what hitler does to anon derps.
mircea_popescu: i can show there's shoeboxes in the cryptologically hard cabinet under the drawer with bras and shit
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412957 << my reading of porsche for the 60s generation was a certain professional young man's (or well-heeled dilettante's) europhilic desire for post-war rennsport purity. the 90s/00s generation came to fetishise this, detaching it from reality, and in the process adding dildos of every unspeakable sort to the ak that was. in this sense, casascius coins are a necessary
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:23:22; mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
pete_dushenski: traction for those more interested in what their peers ~think~ they do than what they actually do.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's the big deal about being original ? that's not the talk to someone visiting a hotel. 'this living out of a suitcase thing is really most splendid, why doesn't everyone do this?'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for at least the next decade, i'll have to take your word on this
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:46:10; mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.
pete_dushenski: now you're confusing 'commute i'd want to drive' with 'car i'd want to drive'
pete_dushenski: there is no such thing as a pleasant commute. it's for slaves and sucks commensurately. as it should.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: drive to travel (ie. road trip), drive for sport (ie. track)
kakobrekla: care to elaborate to us noobs how is 'bitserial' better than 'multibit'?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: say you want to pop up to montreal for the week, so you rent something fast, enjoy yourself with pet. road trip chats are quite unlike anything else.
pete_dushenski: and wtf a 10 hour cab ride would cost a grand+. each way. you can fly to amsterdam for that. or rent porsche from rental company for drive.
pete_dushenski: this is fantasy trip to montreal, recall. you said cab man, not me.
pete_dushenski: well, don't drive in traffic. take scenic route. that's the whole point of car. the scenery. as well as the ability to stop here for lunch and there for coffee and over there for an ice cream, etc.
pete_dushenski: there's everything aristocratic about owning the means of production and transportation. why do you think 'car sharing' and 'sharing economy' are so in vogue with the impoverished masters degree set ?
pete_dushenski: hell, even owning your own hdd/sdd is becoming a Big Deal.
jurov: so where's the difference?
jurov: are you sayind driving own car and driving own hdd is different or it is not or?
jurov: you're seeing it with completely different angle
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's an apt analogy in that both car and hdd are superficially affordable, but not practically. old car costs hundreds if not thousands in unexpected maintenance EVERY YEAR. hdd costs time, space, troubleshooting, etcetc. a car you own outright (ie. no debt payments), like a desktop you own outright (ie. no winbloze avec nsa) are exceedingly high-end appointments. neither is 'accessible' in any way.
pete_dushenski: if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.
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