mats: >there are more than 18,000 classses in the application
punkman: I don't think I've written 18k classes total so far
mats: if only 'satoshi' went to the effort of signing a message with an addr from his hoard
midnightmagic: Nobody actually knows whether there is any hoard or not. It would not be possible to attribute it to him.
mats: i would be convinced it was him if he used coins from the first day of mining
mats: and would have the interesting effect of perhaps moving the market
mats: but yes, whether he has the keys at all -- an open question.
Adlai: satoshi should spend to the mpex address, move two markets with one stone
mats: i can't imagine how many redditor brains would explode at the notion
BingoBoingo: "This version is indistinguishable from Bitcoin XT 0.11A except that it will not actually hard fork to BIP101, yet appears on the p2p network as Bitcoin XT 0.11A replete with features, yet at a consensus level behaves just like Bitcoin Core 0.11. If it is used to mine, it will produce XT block versions without actually supporting >1MB blocks."
midnightmagic: more ideally the instant the fork condition is met it would invisibly switch the miner back to making normal -core blocks., and the miner should be stripping all identifying marks from coinbase etc and submitting via e.g. eligius block submission port.
BingoBoingo: Well this looks like someone's first draft. I'm sure more things will emerge later for great justice. Still no XT block yet.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol 2 votes, 100% upvoted, yet it's not in new not in rising etc.
trinque: hory shit! the day I pick to go to the river!
trinque: shinohai | ;;later tell trinque got the script to tun, fails to compile BxImage:
https://transfer.sh/rkCI7/genkernel.log << that oddly is a failure building the kernel, which is unexpected and should not be gentoo-specific
shinohai: trinque: I finally got it to run, added genkernel --menuconfig all to line 185
shinohai: but still have no idea how to run it inside qemu
trinque: shinohai: may I have your .config ?
trinque: and I'll diff it with the one I produced
trinque: or rather, do you know what you kicked on in menuconfig?
trinque: and the qemu commands is... qemu-system-x86_64 -hda root.img -vnc :0 -redir tcp:2222::22
shinohai: I'll get config asap. I tried starting it that same way (minus vnc, don't use it)
trinque: I had that in there to see the lilo screen
trinque: but not necessary long as it boots
trinque: shinohai: are you on an amd something something?
trinque: shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
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mircea_popescu: weird that he didn't choose to take that stand three years ago on his own damned forum, but instead goes to break his neck on someone else's shit platform.
ben_vulpes: bitcointalk was ppulling in what, tens of btc/wk?
mircea_popescu: certainly more than reddit modertatorship's paying hjim
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ben_vulpes: i'd dearly love a css pass on logs.bitcoin-assets to colorize by speaker and with a mobile breakpoint
phf: ben_vulpes: mobile breakpoint?
hanbot: ben_vulpes> did this clear up your abortive attempt? >> mhm
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mats: what is this @member: business
ShawnLeary: i dunno, i copy pasted my previous post that didn't go through
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punkman: "A mischievous fellow who counts among his friends the queen of Bhutan and Catherine Deneuve, Louboutin has perfected the art of the glacial smile when faced with awkward ethical questions. What does he make, for instance, of the fact that in India, a market into which he is expanding, there are lots of people who own no shoes at all?"
punkman: "“Not everything is for everyone and that’s the way it is,” he said, teeth gleaming indifferently. His theories about shoes were tinged, predictably, with a seeming misogyny. They come, he insisted, with a great deal of “sexual energy” – which is perhaps just as well, as the only thing it’s possible to do in a pair of his heels is lie down."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00076052 = 19.2412 BTC [+]
punkman: why can't bums in india have louboutins? not fair!
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mircea_popescu: mostly for "Bitcoin's advantage over other systems does not lie in scalability. Well-designed centralized systems can trivially compete with Bitcoin's on-chain transactions in terms of cost, speed, reliability, convenience, and scale. Its power lies in transparency, lack of need for trust in network peers, miners, and those who influence or control the system. Wanting to increase the scale of the system is in conflict
punkman: "It implements a series of block size steps, one every ~97 days, between January 2017 and July 2063, each increasing the maximum block size by 4.4%. This allows an overall growth of 17.7% per year. "
mircea_popescu: "Attempting to buy time with a fast increase is not wanting to face that reality, and treating the system as something whose scale trumps all other concerns. A long term scalability plan should aim on decreasing the need for trust required in off-chain systems, rather than increasing the need for trust in Bitcoin." etc
Adlai has realized from 'notbitcoinxt' that ultimately the only thing that matters is what enters the blockchain. text, including that inside textual protocol fields, is just text.
Adlai: miner's chicken. they may all support 42TB blocks, as long as the other guy mines them first
mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gives everyone some leverage - miners that want to keep blocks smaller can mine empty blocks. miners that mine large blocks have the usual disadvantage due to speed. the thing itself allows very limited growth, in the sense of 1% growth if the previous two weeks were all full blocks.
mircea_popescu: actual bitcoin users can actually force the miners, by paying enough to make their transactions not-non-mineable, even if it fills blocks
mircea_popescu: that's the difference : i have no need for an arbitrary 18% no matter what.
punkman: but yes this might be a sort of sane way to handle block size
mircea_popescu: maintaining full blocks for two weeks straight has not happened yet nor would it be trivial
mircea_popescu: 20 empty blocks in the two weeks interval nullify the growth.
punkman: I'd still want the fee market to develop further before any increase.
mircea_popescu: it necessarily would. because unless two weeks worth of filled blocks, it does nothing.
mircea_popescu: if the fee market has not developed by the time the blocks are filled like that, it;s not happening.
punkman: right now it appears that fees are increasing, but only because of the derps doing "stress tests"
mircea_popescu: there has not yet been as much as a signle day of straight full blocks.
mircea_popescu: (ie, 1mb exactly. because 990 mb blocks fails to allow for an increase by the above proposal)
punkman: depends if these kb are base10
mircea_popescu: (in case it wasn't obvious - this wouldn't allow a decrease of blocksize. increase only)
Adlai: eh? if the average of the 2kb batch is under x/1.01, wouldn't that reduce the cap?
Adlai: or does this have a "memory"
mircea_popescu: that's the biggest problem with it, it introduces a state.
mircea_popescu: you can't allow it to reduce block size, because the noise will make the system unbound and it'll collapse.
mircea_popescu: but it horribru or not horribru - a) we are currently keeping state, just, as a constant and b) there is no way to make pie-in-the-sky arbitrary values work.
punkman: 1mb has wroked splendidly so far
Adlai: a constant is a lot less state that max(constant * average, variable)
punkman: maybe just go to 2mb at some point?
mircea_popescu: but, if a solution to this problem, admitting it is a problem, and admitting a solution can be had, is to be had,
mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: punkman you'll never get consensus behind "random number".
punkman: 2mb is how I always imagined an increase, but yeah I guess that unworkability is becoming apparent these days
punkman: could just have blocksize next to diff target in block header I suppose
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "the very talented" "core developers" think, this will not be a simple or easy change. it will require a lot of touching,
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, if we're to keep state the only sane way is to put it in the block headers.
mircea_popescu: (why the blocks were designed to not contain a summary bytecount of their own variable content i nthe first place is yet another example of the "satoshi was not much of a designer" thing)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck looks at a list and goes "a it's ok, don't need header referencing the size, why would you."
punkman: why have a bytecount in the block?
mircea_popescu: and when you allocate memory, same ? you just count the bytes you used ? AFTER YOU DID ?
Adlai: why have difficulty in the headers? you just count the hashes
punkman: lemme explain, if we have the size of each block included in headers, that's not the state we need
mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a noob saved a word ("who would need 1000000 repeated each block!!!") and in the process made the design much dumber.
punkman: oh ok then, I read it wrong
mircea_popescu: but anyway - the fucking magic number should have been in block headers not in a c file.
mircea_popescu: and back in the day you'd get flunked in undergrad sys design for shit like this.
Adlai searches memory/google for that altcoin that commits to its own source code
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone got a github account, leave a link to this convo on there, curious if sipa/anyone groks wtf's going on.
mircea_popescu: of course this would also trash the fixed size blocks-powered bitcoinfs
cazalla: blem-for-entrepreneur-living-in-a-van/article25982115/
cazalla: pretty much, but what is the attraction to creating an embassy, shared space, etc etc?
punkman: cazalla: what you don't like our shared space here?
cazalla: punkman, i imagine they only discuss bitcoin as the embassy whereas here, it is a little different.. gentleman's club as one article states
cazalla: ;;later tell fluffypony ^^ might be worth checking out, eh? :P
fluffypony: she's the one that banned me from attending future Bitcoin Africa conferences
fluffypony: I ridiculed one of the presenters because he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine generals problem
fluffypony: so she came up to me in the middle of the conference, during someone's talk
fluffypony: and asked me if I was @fluffyponyza, which I said I wa
fluffypony: and then she's like "you've been Tweeting out some mean things about Gareth"
fluffypony: so I go "who?", because I'd been tweeting out mean things about a lot of idiots that were presenting
fluffypony: so then she says "well I think you shouldn't tweet that"
Adlai: blocks and hacks may break our backs but words should never hurt us
fluffypony: so I go "well then he can man up and come and talk to me himself, else he must fuck off"
fluffypony: so then she goes "well I'm just the messenger"
fluffypony: so I go "well then you can fuck off too"
fluffypony: then they tweeted a few hours later about how I wasn't welcome at future Bitcoin Africa conferences because I was disrespectful
mircea_popescu: "Sonya is an entrepreneur and founder of Bitcoin Payments."
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well I wanted to hear the speaker so I could mock him on Twitter as well, so I didn't have time for a protracted conversation with the stupid cow
mircea_popescu: so tell her "listen, i want to hear the speaker to i can mock him as well."
mircea_popescu: "Sonya is also Founder and Director of two Hats a design and development company that specializes in corporate branding, print design, web design, web development, mobile/responsive web development, e-commerce services, business analysis, search engine optimization, social media, Google Analytics, Google Ads and E-Marketing."
mircea_popescu: "specializes" seems to have lost a meaning sometime in 2004.
fluffypony: "Riccardo is the founder and director of fluffypony inc., a company that specialises in *.* "
mircea_popescu: nah, riccardo is a suspicious guy sending paypal donations in clear violation of maritime law.
fluffypony: dodgy PayPal donations from darkest Africa
fluffypony: it's like a bunch of retards sat around a table and said "we missed out on buying Bitcoin at $0.50, so how do we make money from it now?"
mircea_popescu: lol. it is kinda the retard path. prolly come up with some fixes first tho.
fluffypony: what do you teach in a Bitcoin "developer" course anyway
mircea_popescu: you know i have trouble picturing you telling some random woman to fuck off ?
fluffypony: I know, it was a little out of character, but I was extremely pissed off that the guy didn't have the balls to come talk to me himself
fluffypony: and instead some random comes to do it, like she's his mother
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 02:26:52; trinque: shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
shinohai: Bitcoin on any windows is kind of lulzy to me.
jurov: shinohai: "craving" happens usually when nobody calls :)
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fluffypony: the slide is hard to see in its glory, pity
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
ascii_field: speed of light will not increase just because ten trillion schmucks think they would like it to;
ascii_field: nor will the permeativity constant change;
punkman: there were a couple threads discussing the increase in regards to fees
punkman: it might be that miners won't get enough fees in 1MB blocks
ascii_field: they get 'not enough' - they ~die~ and are replaced by folks who don't need as much.
ascii_field: but noooo, the maggots want ~me~ - the relay operators - to pay
punkman: so you die and someone else relays?
ascii_field: nah i can die so usg becomes sole relayer.
ascii_field: notice that mining scales down ad infinitum - bitcoin worked fine when mining consisted of spare cpu cycles
jurov: they can switch to litecoin, monero, etc.
punkman: it worked then with spare cpu cycles, I don't think you can have that again
ascii_field: punkman: not literally. but can easily have bitcoin and 99.999% of extant miners starving
ascii_field: and their equipment repurchased for pennies on the dollar by new folks.
ascii_field: but imho, even having this conversation at all is a kind of surrender to usg
ascii_field: the only reason why the block size 'conversation' is even happening at all is that they have 'taught the controversy'
punkman: pretty sure we've been discussing this even before the controversy
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:31; asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:23:26; Pierre_Rochard: my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.”
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
☟︎ thestringpuller: also there is some d00d offering a 25 BTC bounty to the first miner to mine an XT block with the version header.
punkman: someone should definitely take the idiots 25btc
kakobrekla: just merge mine your derp coin and done.
shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
☟︎ jurov: !s hookers microphone
jurov: ^ idea already considered by serenissima the almighty :DDD
jurov: but to 2FA.. you'd have to keep reusing the same hookers, i spose
shinohai: There is nothing new under the sun, it has likely already been proposed in these hallowed forums.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072771 = 14.2631 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: It *is* a court for sure. I should like to see more trial by combat though.
shinohai: I got to stop being lazy and find me a shitty old desktop so I can try eulora again.
jurov: mike_c: you actually run eu in it?
mike_c: I used to, yeah. before you did the thing with the binaries
jurov: and it's usable at all?
mike_c: yup, worked fine. no sound :)
mike_c: from what I remember the framerate wasn't awesome, but entirely usable.
ascii_field: 'Orway does not condone the use of malware.' << mega-l0l, they ~sell~ crapware and nothing else
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kakobrekla: anyway, since the switches are only binary i dont actually check for values cause its more work and im lazy
kakobrekla: to trigger the kindergarten (and other) modes.
jurov: you will sooner explain to some people your faith than "why not dropbox"
chetty: well nothing wrong with dropbox for most people, usg and any hacker that wants it already owns it
jurov: i did convert one dude to self-hosted seafile, but otherwise, meh.
chetty: the mystery is why the irs wants yu to provide documents it already has
trinque: chetty: I've long lamented that they don't just "file your taxes" for you
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:45:48; mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.
jurov: that's sop for every bureaucracy ever.
trinque: but as ascii_field observed a while back, they do that so you have the opportunity to fuck up before them
ascii_field: 'and your exchange rate isn't determined until after confirmation happens' << mega-win
thestringpuller: trinque: says rsync as I'm installing it and conetmplating it for take unrelated to channel
chetty fondly recalls filing taxes on a postcard
trinque: I use cron-job rsync wherever other folks might use dropbox or the like
jurov: mostly. but rsync won't keep file history
jurov: nor it allows for sharing with n00bs
thestringpuller: "file history" << then slap git ontop of it and call it day?
trinque: in which case you don't need rsync
ascii_field: 'That we the people have final say on any and all matters that concern bitcoin the protocol and bitcoin the community.' << mega-l0l
trinque: "try and write a sort of constitution"
trinque: I got your sort of constitution right here
jurov: maybe it's just buttcoiners trolling. but only maybe
chetty: * trinque wipes his ass// just like a real one
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shinohai: This is the most entertaining Monday on reddit in some time.
ascii_field: punkman: why go far? the ubiquitous 'RAR' does something quite like this
ascii_field: and like just about all interpreters written by muppets and esp. for shitblowz - at least one known exploit.
danielpbarron: jurov, that thing i linked about taxes and dropbox is by someone in here: wilbns
danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
☟︎ ascii_field: danielpbarron: what did you expect it to be? a magical recipe for escaping the cattle corral ?
nubbins`: wonder who made the header logo, hearn?
nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
☟︎ punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these assets. " heh
☟︎ nubbins`: it's a PNG with a non-transparent background.
punkman: kakobrekla: plz to remove assbot, the people have spoken
nubbins`: "we need to make this new subreddit STAT. we literally do not have 3 minutes to make a new header. take the old one and ph0t05h0p it"
nubbins`: if you didn't already realize xt was DOA
nubbins`: this is akin to the declaration of independence being written in 18pt comic sans
nubbins`: complete with wrapping <blink></blink>
nubbins`: btc <-> xtc forex should open some interesting opportunities
nubbins`: [16:24:31] <nubbins`> bounce: the idea is you'd create a 10mb transaction sending out xtc to your buyers, in return they push small tx sending you same amount in btc
nubbins`: ^ any troo beeleevers wanna take me up on it?
nubbins`: fair trade if xtc is the future.
jurov: nubbins`: i think the derps will try to spam btc to make people switch to xtc,
jurov: thus mightily enabling the trade
shinohai: Careful, they might spend all the 0.05 BTC they hold per person.
ascii_field: learn to love the spam. how else is the paid relay thing supposed to happen.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field as to the later, no reason. as to the former, no idea. i suffer from the disease of all cerebral beings, of enjoying the consideration of abstract problems in no direct relation to their practical utility.
williamdunne: What we need is an exchange that will enable margin trading of btc/gbtc
williamdunne: Sorry, I meant they've been doing it previously
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:12:53; mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
jurov runs to snatch bitcoinica sources
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: imho the algo as written here is disastrously bad
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: enemy can ratchet block mass without continuously spending
mircea_popescu: my position being very much like ascii_field's : not clear this is needed and dubious it's a good idea before the two get hanged. but op may disagree ? i dunno.
mircea_popescu: if "enemy" holds a significant portion of the last 1% of blocks mined, how is he the enemy.
ascii_field: but the fact of the ratcheting means that $largeint (which enemy can print) can be used to shoot the storage difficulty (let's call block size this!) to the sky
williamdunne: ;;later tell pete_dushenski would you mind telling me which posts? Sorry I've not been keeping on top of scoop so much. Tryna find someone who can put up some money to get my time-sink launched
ascii_field: same problem as a hypothetical monotonically growing mining difficulty.
ascii_field: aha but he only has to fill the blocks to the brim for a finite timespan, to result in forever heavier max size
ascii_field: because now i can't use 1MB antifuse roms, etc.
mircea_popescu: well, it only costs you if not filled onlyt if tyou biutcoinfs
mircea_popescu: otherwise it costs you like the first blk0001 cost you 500gb
jurov: i had an idea based on fees/volume (increase only when that ratio gets outrageous) but first waiting to see what actually happens
ascii_field: but overall i just don't see this future where mega-blocks are a necessary thing
ascii_field: all the world's bullion transfers, if written out as a log, would they even fill 1MB in a year?
mircea_popescu: it IS technically possible we still see technological progress.
mircea_popescu: do you imagine this bullion thing as it "Should be" or do you have direct experience ?
mircea_popescu: because one hour i spent in the ro vault, which is a tiny affair, saw three transfers underway.
mircea_popescu: i would guess there's to the tune of 1mn interbank PM physical transfers a year worldwide. i don't think i'm qualified to answer either, but i will swear to your benefit the real figuree's closer to 1mn than 1k no prob.
ascii_field: how many such vaults on planet 3? how many unique users? how often transact?
ascii_field: hence user id ('address') is less than 7 bits !
mircea_popescu: sometimes they sell and sometimes they buy on mkt tho. with delivery.
ascii_field: ah if tx is arbitrary knapsacking of n bar types, then yes
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ascii_field: and of course i was thinking only of transactions where physical motion of bars takes place
mircea_popescu: it's not called settlement, it's called delivery. settlement is sitting down and agreeing the paperwork.
ascii_field thought it was called 'settlement' when two hawaladars or equiv. zero out their tally by finally moving the gold (plutonium, etc)
mircea_popescu: irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: delivery and washing dishes are in about the same esteem.
mircea_popescu: "stupid things stupid people tend to be preoccupied with".
mircea_popescu: "they're not smart, like us, to let their cognitive wings spread free in the intergalactic voids of abstraction"
ascii_field: until deliverocalypse like stalin's 'spain will see the gold like it will see own ears without mirror' or usg's equiv. for de, etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was ro's gold. whence did spain even have an ygold.
ascii_field: 'Stalin had his eye on the Spanish gold because Spain had a mother lode of it. This was owing to the fact that twenty years prior, Spain had been neutral in World War I. During that war, Spain exported so much to the belligerents, without being able to buy in return, that it stacked up foreign exchange and turned it in for gold. The same thing had happened across the neutral nations, from Argentina to Holland to the
mircea_popescu: that explains it anyway, spain's got no gold in the ground.
mircea_popescu: but to get back to the ratchet thing : it is both impossible and a very stupid idea to have freefixing for bitcoin block size. because the network is trivial to disrupt when it comes to mining difficulty (by design and deliberately), it will guaranteedly be moved down to 0 over time and the defense's necessarily too expensive.
mircea_popescu: having a freefloating system is in fact breaking a fundamental design promise bitcoin made when it introduced mining,
mircea_popescu: so a ratchet is necessarily, and indisputably, and by unfixable design the only way to do that.
mircea_popescu: this given, the design proposed is a) expensive to abuse and b) self-limiting, in that the larger you make the blocks, the more you have to fill.
ascii_field: what the hell is wrong with 1MB-until-heat-death-of-universe ?
ascii_field: not like you could maintain a single blockchain over astronomical distances, either
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing that point, i already conceded i have nfi.
ascii_field: but it brings interesting gedankenexperiment: picture the usual mars colony
mircea_popescu: yes each planet must have its own local bitcoin necessarily.
mircea_popescu: and yes it makes the future worth seeing now. /me hopes to oneday trade marscoin for venuscoin.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2013 12:53:47; assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04643 = 0.0929 BTC [-]
ascii_field: kakobrekla: see thread. it was a monotonic-grow ratchet thing
mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the reason i consider ratcheting (and, ergo, growing at all) blocks to be a situation of 'enemy can deal more damage than he has to pay for' is that even if people pay per kB, ~actual machines are pots of finite depth~
ascii_field: which means, he can spend $fixint and now ~no pogo is guaranteed to work~
mircea_popescu: i can certainly see the argument in this structural sense.
mircea_popescu: just... whence will they scare up enough txn to keep filling up thousdands of large blocks ?
kakobrekla: so the load Atlas has to carry will be determined by miners instead of code.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification.
kakobrekla: yes i understand this is a play on diff algo.
mircea_popescu: let's start with some assumptions : that as is, pogos can survive for 2 years before they fill. that if blocks were to be made 2mb, they'd survive 1 year instead.
mircea_popescu: whoops... takes more than two years to make it 2mb anyway. problem solved.
ascii_field: it is already close to the edge of keeps-up-in-realtime
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla in that sense iot's a step above the "magic number" stuff. not much, admittedly.
ascii_field: so no parallelization (which we don't even have yet) helps
mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us.
mircea_popescu: if you end up with 2k actually full bloicks and the state is now 1010000 bytes, you still can have blocks 50kb
ascii_field: if it becomes possible to have blocks that selectively disable, e.g., pogo, enemy has a useful new capability.
mircea_popescu: looky, a fixed cpu situation will always yield this problem
ascii_field: not if the capacity exceeds any legal block's weight.
williamdunne: Do you have any advice you would be willing to share on raising small amounts of money for bitcoin projects, that doesn't come from VCs?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i suppose it doesn't JUST pose problems for bitcoinfs.
jurov: williamdunne: advertise them here?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne write something about puppies make a post on social media with links to your "campaign" ? offer things on bitcointalk ? convince me to list on mpex ? i dunno dood, you're too vague to be helped yet.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: step 1) create small side project that takes user funds, step 2) advertise on bitcointalk, step 3) steal monies for actual project?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field still, i tell you i don't see it. if the bitcoin userbase legitimately makes > 1mb of txn every 10 minutes, and if the miners are willing to indulge them and mine to the degree the ratchet kicks in, seems at best disingenuous to say "you can't do that because pogos".
mircea_popescu: the whole pogo thing was a few k's. this thing is k's of btc
mircea_popescu: williamdunne uh. mno ? what IS the project, that's where it starts.
trinque: williamdunne: write it up, and rewrite for a damned long time.. or if it's code prototype it so you aren't just selling handjobs and smiles
jurov: williamdunne: you remember indiancandy? "but i want money!!!!"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: basic problem is that the beneficiaries of bigger-block are not paying for the cost of cannot-have-buried-node
mircea_popescu: generally it's "the proof i am smart enough to have small projects is i nthe pudding of how i have enough money laying around to invest in them". it's how people get redecoration done and their hobbies financed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hence it is fundamentally a socialistatron
mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course they are ? they're after all teh bitcoin users.
williamdunne: An exchange, as per previous mentions. Unfortunately though it will have KYC so mabbeh less interesting for people on #b-a, ofc that's for ya'll to decide
mircea_popescu: williamdunne so call up nsa, tell them "hey, i'm another derpy kid trying to suck of your tit, send me 10k ?"
ascii_field: williamdunne: if i want to send money to usg, i can send it straight to usg
mircea_popescu: they'll refuse, and in that you'll know what the demand for more kyc bitcoin "Exchanges" is.
mircea_popescu: they're currently at a loss keeping all the ones they already have fed.
jurov: ;;seen indiancandy
gribble: indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver
gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> erm
trinque: chick can't keep it together
gribble: I have not seen indiancandy2.
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jurov: williamdunne: where you got the idea another KYC exchange will make any profit?
williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
☟︎ punkman: and why work on it before you have your own funding or someone else's
mircea_popescu: women also miss tits on their shoulderblades. it impedes proper tango, but it might have good reasons behind it.
mircea_popescu: punkman he's young, gotta work or something or go nuts.
jurov: punkman: that's actually the only way
trinque: if it's software wtf do you need funding for?
jurov: lol let him talk about the missing tits
williamdunne: punkman: Had funding, one of the other companies they invested in when tits up and so they decided to withdraw support from all financial services companies they invested in. 10/10. My fault for not securing a deal where that wouldn't happen
trinque: mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part
mircea_popescu: williamdunne don't be too hard on self. it's unlikley they'd have signed for actual deal.
trinque: but if he doesn't have the money to provide for the financial aspects, kinda leads to "why bother"
mircea_popescu: trinque there's tons of people who coudl demo a trade engine. including a bunch of people actually in the business, providing all the fx doods etc.
mircea_popescu: heck, someone came to 1st conference to demo an engine.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger
williamdunne: trinque: Engine isn't too complicated, that'd be pointless
mircea_popescu: williamdunne 80% of deals work out exactly like that irl.
mircea_popescu: you get some backup, they die out, end up with some money invested in you written off.
mircea_popescu: (if you're an engineer trying to solve an engineering problem of some kind, i mean)
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:07:29; williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
williamdunne: ascii_field: Why would you assume that the difference is in the KYC methods used?
mircea_popescu: he has an inflammatory reaction to particular three letter strings.
trinque: williamdunne: my point was simply that "I could X as long as I find a rich guy that wants to help" isn't much of a strategy, much less so if you can't demonstrate upon meeting said rich guy that you can execute
jurov: the rape can be KYC-unrelated
punkman: williamdunne: well tell us what it is then
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.
williamdunne: punkman: Primarily targeting margin in non-USD, and larger bucket of currencies to trade in
mircea_popescu: "i have an idea for a us tv network - primarily targetting spanish daytime soaps and more languages programming".
ascii_field: mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'
mircea_popescu: the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo.
ascii_field: being-able-to-accept-bigger-block COSTS ME
mircea_popescu: like, your gf can suck your cock to stick you with her offspring * forever ?
trinque: life's doing pretty well, on balance
relaxedman: Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much
mircea_popescu: williamdunne any of them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other than people you met at a conference that hadn't got there on a first class ticket they bought and with two personal cocksuckers and a chef ?
punkman: relaxedman: you know, there are linux channels/forums for such questions
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun have any objective whatsoever here. i am merely surveying a field.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'
mircea_popescu: williamdunne your main enemy is this crowd of people who agree and encourage to make friends. they can be very damaging.
relaxedman: nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed.
williamdunne: Ofc.. but none of them were looking to make friends afaik. There was one person from #b-a interested but that's from a different angle
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you tried pitching at one of the incubators you got there ?
mircea_popescu: must be at least a dozen in london by now, i lost count.
williamdunne: Probably more. It was at one of the incubators we got our last investor.. sour taste in my mouth
nubbins`: williamdunne understand this is like "i have a new business idea: an e-business!" in 1992
mircea_popescu: then write a blogpost to defray your mental costs with it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future
ascii_field: removing this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit to them.
mircea_popescu: mno, iot' a cost inflicted on the network, at a possible benefit to it
ascii_field: where 'gimme value' 'why' 'because fuckyou'
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
mircea_popescu: you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a theory to test. you go test it. systematically. you either come to a conclusion which precludes further testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going.
punkman: williamdunne: you could probably drive around europe pitching to 100 different incubators
punkman: bang some sluts along the way
mircea_popescu: intellectual discipline is not an academic ideal. it's a way of life.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of this gedankenbenefit that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "you can have more paying txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ?
nubbins`: i don't think that banging sluts is a thing that someone who is driving around europe going to /incubators/ is doing
nubbins`: because before you know it he's taking another look at the intubators
mircea_popescu: the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is the following :
mircea_popescu: if you have a shop, which is your own, which holds a merchandise, which is your own, which is in demand, which is not your own,
mircea_popescu: you run into the following (purely saccounting, and thus purely psychogenic) problem :
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and the remainder 90 will be worth 9k.
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and the remaindert will be worth 20k.
ascii_field might be thick, isn't certain how this theorem applies here
mircea_popescu: but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely, that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte.
mircea_popescu: because of the network effects it can in point of fact be the case that each byte in the 1.3 thing is worth more than in the 1.0 thing.
ascii_field: my contention was that just having this creates a demolition button for the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: this is the balance of the sane part of the "increase block size" side.
nubbins`: just as likely it'll push smallies out of the picture
mircea_popescu: and the sum total of what i said is, of all the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over that button.
mircea_popescu: like a bit of plastic to prevent falling cows from pushing it
ascii_field: what is a byte in a demolished (perma-usgized) blockchain worth ?
mircea_popescu: this is a meaningless question. it can no longer be valued.
mircea_popescu: you will note howevere, that while any particular political organisation may be opposed,
ascii_field: ergo a blockchain without the button is inescapably worth more than one with
nubbins`: a few people stand around a sack on the ground, figuring out what to do with it. one fatso says "i want to put so many things inside that only i can carry it around!"
mircea_popescu: if this were the case, trains without an emergency brake would be worth more than trains with.
mircea_popescu: they are not, and i can't stand the us trend of taking out the brake in question.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trains without bomb are worth more
mircea_popescu: if your train goes through "brain worm" alien land, you want the bomb.
ascii_field: thing is, i don't get the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making this argument is either usg shill or their useful idiots
jurov: btw, if pouring pogos to concrete, any hard drive you'll use will wear down in few years
mircea_popescu: i don't either. was not discussing the present day politics of it at all. merely, the principle of the matter.
jurov: there's gigabyte antifuse prom?
ascii_field: jurov: not afaik. but nothing prevents it from being constructed
mircea_popescu: but sure, could be. just like there could be useful cpu that's passive cooled. sometime.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'zoolag' is passively cooled
mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
☟︎ trinque: I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity: the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT TO BE READ AND EDITED*
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision.
ascii_field: though would work fine if buried ~4 metres
nubbins`: trinque consider it posteriorized?
trinque: sorry I ever linked the thing, christ
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
shinohai: trinque: no worries, I had to edit it to get it to run xD
trinque: look at how it's written; that was intentional
trinque: you're supposed to open the thing and say oh, I want to change the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool.
mircea_popescu: ianae, but i think the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert.
shinohai: well, most people will just blindly execute scripts they download from teh interwebz
ascii_field: BUT you still gotta verify that it is the same!
ascii_field: using hash where it was not used before also creates incentive to collide
mircea_popescu: but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add the hash.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am not prepared to defend this technically. i just have a manager's eye is all.
thestringpuller: make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc'
ascii_field: but the overall theme of thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero'
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:21; shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57; thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
☟︎ shinohai: Somewhere today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app?
ascii_field: which is to say, either it is so 'fuzzy' that bruteforce is trivial, or it is narrow enough to make it non-repeatable
ascii_field: (you will ~never~ get exactly same waveform into the microphone, etc)
mircea_popescu: the fact that life exists on earth is, to me, proof that "fuzzy passwords" are a crock.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that life exists continually proves they're really very bad passwords.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning.
ascii_field: there is this whole fiction called 'n-factor authentication' (various values of n, typically 2)
BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
☟︎ ascii_field: thestringpuller: looks like an oomkill to me
ascii_field: thestringpuller: what were you building ~on~ ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:32:48; punkman: oh it does? didn't know that
trinque: hey, btw. if someone cnames deeds.bitcoin-assets.com to deedbot.org I'll make that link in the declaration work again.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: building on AWS should I increase memory footprint size?
mircea_popescu: it never found any utility, whcih is why you've not heard of either except in the way one hears of the once great hittite empire
ascii_field: thestringpuller: try building on a computer ..?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:37:20; danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
mircea_popescu: given that the alternative is "raise an army", and given that "iof you raise an army, might as well sell the captured women into slavery and cultivate poppies", people who don't particularly like the sight of moaning, chained women and heroin addicts have little choice.
trinque: kakobrekla: pls to cname deeds.bitcoin-assets.org to deedbot.org ?
wilbns: ...in the event anyone would like to read.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i did and it worked. lemme try with more memory
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:12; nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
mircea_popescu will temporarily suspend his disdain for medium to read this one. lettuce see.
BingoBoingo: At least Heroin addicts are, or at least before Narcan were a self cleaning problem.
mircea_popescu: wilbns on what is this einstein reference based, other than "it'd be cool" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they don't drag their lifeless, smelly corpses to a hole and pour anhudrous calcium carbonate on themselves. do they.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn"
BingoBoingo: Heroin addicts isn't a plural of things. It is a singular system
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive
mats: rar is still in use today
trinque: they're going to get plenty of reuse out of that headline
danielpbarron: >> For anyone residing in the United States, Ether tokens, since they have an implied fiat value and can be bought or sold with digital assets, like Bitcoin, fall under IRS 2014-21.
wilbns: thinking about how 15 million in crowdfunding could get irradiated if not careful in determing market fit w/ ethereum
mircea_popescu: wilbns so outright i see the following problem : you discuss ethereum at the maximal outskirts of what its proponents presnet it as. this is not unlike taking a ponzi schemer's "idea" and pretending it would be a central bank, then discussing how "it regulates financial flows". rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: might as well take a discussion of "dilution is medicine" and write a sci-fi work about how a universe with this would look like.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is exactly what the scammers involved want.
mircea_popescu: "The first dimension of this complexity is that the area of law, in itself, is generally based on legal precedence" << no. it is based on precedent.
wilbns: punkman: thanks, missed that one
mircea_popescu: precedence is when one thing goes above another. precedent is when one thing goes before another. do not mix.
wilbns: mircea_popescu: thanks, i missed that, too
BingoBoingo: If ethereum ever entirely works as promised plan on x86 ring-0 exploits routinely becoming parts of "contracts"
wilbns: cool, i will - and check out the gpg contracts article
mircea_popescu: it is the exact example case you wish for your argument, and it's a pity to not reference it (especially because it connotes not-done-homework for they in the actual know as to the topics you discuss re law and precedent etc)
mircea_popescu concludes that medium articles with b-a present authors, while not necessarily better, at least provide one the perhaps void feeling of having done something for the future.
wilbns: ah, yes - that's a good link
wilbns: that's what i was thinking
BingoBoingo: <gribble> New rating | rg > -10 > maidak | owes me $10k << from the other WoT's scroll
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:44:13; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
wilbns: re: medium, the reason i use that space is because hopefully something i write will be of some use to somehow who can do something positive with it later - if i just stick it on my blog it then i doubt anyone will ever seen it, barring a contextual keyword phrase match
kakobrekla: right now it picks colors randomly each time, had also a variant of making color from hash of the nick. if that is preferred.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta remember MP only sees about a third of all colors, but the colors he sees are pink
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually 6 btes from the nick hash -> color seems ideal to me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side
wilbns: wow i'm really having a problem typing. i think the word and type something else.
mircea_popescu: i am just differently able colorwise BingoBoingo ! check your privilege!
jurov: kakobrekla: consider using few other bits to color a text slightly, too
BingoBoingo: Hey, I just observate. Now nubbins' is an actual color shitlord.
mircea_popescu: wilbns the plantform choiuce is not a crime, i just am a very hateful soul.
mike_c: williamdunne: whether or not you can find an investor shouldn't be the determining factor of whether or not you start the business.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, you can just add your link to the scoopbot here.
mike_c: do you have any reasonable plan for beating the umpteen existing exchanges? or any idea of what their problems are?
mircea_popescu: which, i wager, is 90% of the useful reaction you've received on it anyway
mike_c: of course you can find someone to give you some money. doesn't mean you should waste your time doing it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is this in the line of "whether you can find a woman or not shoul;d nopt be the determining factor in whether you start a family" ?
mike_c: no! just because you can find a woman doesn't mean you should start popping out babies.
trinque: wat; it was the other way round
mike_c: you're all telling him how to get money when you should be telling him to stop trying.
mike_c: and come up with a better idea.
mike_c: not like you're responsible for him.
mircea_popescu: i just told him how to approach a problem correectly is all
mike_c: yeah, I just wanted to add the additional advice of - just because you *can* find an investor doesn't mean you should.
mike_c: if your time is worth anything.
mike_c: that is probably true.
mircea_popescu: (which also means "a 20yos time is NOT worth anything")
jurov: mike_c it was clear he did not want input on the idea, but only on the investor
jurov: kakobrekla: plz to use perceptually uniform color space instead
mircea_popescu: jurov stop trying to get people to tell you their ideas to steal them then!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38240 @ 0.00075618 = 28.9163 BTC [+]
mike_c: yes, he is misguided. I didn't mean to criticize the room, just try to offer him an additional viewpoint.
trinque: kakobrekla: thank you sir; I'll change the URL generation on my end to match the previous links
mike_c: kakobrekla: please change all the colors again, they aren't my favorite.
mike_c: i hatez all the colors
punkman: trinque should make deedbot accept signed colours which assbot will use to colour the logs!
trinque: kakobrekla: I would like to invest all my doge in your logs hosting shartup
jurov: kakobrekla: realy, it's okay, i like ;)
mike_c: kakobrekla: j/k :) the pastels are beautiful.
mike_c: and actually, looks better now, more contrast.
jurov: riiight, i dream of KYC-enablement all the time
mike_c: somebody gotta get mircea enchroma for xmas
shinohai: Does this make me look gaaaaaaaaaay?
jurov: just a check: what colors are peanuts? a) brown b) green c) other color
punkman: I think it'd be easier on the eyes if it only coloured the names
ascii_field: idk about this 'enchroma', but i got the opposite: my 'eizo' lcd panels have a button that selectably simulates two types of colour blindness...
BingoBoingo: jurov: If fried they better be green. If roasted, brown.
jurov: BingoBoingo: what?
BingoBoingo: jurov: You've never had fried or stewed peanuts as an accompanyment to catfish?
punkman: mircea_popescu: and pistachios?
mircea_popescu: i am colorblind, but it's not exactly the common version.
mircea_popescu: ever since kindergarten ppl thought i'm jus fucking with them
BingoBoingo: jurov: You are missing out. Great "Southern" dish. Pull up the peanut plant before the nuts brown and they cook delicious. Just don't keep well green so it a sort of necessarily local delicacy to places that can grow peanuts.
ascii_field took the test, is pretty sure he hallucinated digits where there were none, but the only output was 'normal'
trinque: ascii_field: heh, and yet they still tell you to buy the glasses
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if alf was the incredibly rate tetrochromat
ascii_field: but i do suffer from sensory strange - e.g., can see flicker at 120hz display, dithering, etc
BingoBoingo: Who truly would without giving Satan you precious SNPs
ascii_field: these 'muscles' are good for very little, sadly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00075618 = 54.8987 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> (and hear far past 22khz) << Could be useful for steganography targeted to dogs
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: ever use a heterodyne headphone ?
ascii_field: tool for listening beyond normal auditory range
ascii_field: rattling keys sounds like church bells, etc.
ascii_field: used to be a common n00b electronics project
BingoBoingo doesn't have the greatest hearing. Pretty sure tuba is too blame.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> by 'expert in neuromarketing' << It's been trendy is USia for about 6 years now. Basically Psychologist who took a couple bsns classes
assbot: Mike owns a little more than 100 BTC. What incentive do the other Bitcoin Core developers have to improve the system? : bitcoinxt ... (
http://bit.ly/1NoN4Nl )
jurov: dunno why it evoked imagery of a wallet with public key outside, private key inside of foreskin
BingoBoingo: " This post is Michael Larabel's greatest contribution to Linux. "
mircea_popescu: well the enchroma website test does not work, becausew being "made in the usa" they gotta be all fucktarded and wrap it all in js and whatnot
mircea_popescu: couldn't just fucking put a bunch of pics up and go "this one is 9 thius one is 5"
ascii_field: 'how will we keep folks from lifting this test'
mircea_popescu: " We thank everybody for sharing their perception as together we will make new findings."
kakobrekla: that womans text is downright insulting.
ascii_field: 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived have a website aggregator?
pete_dushenski: but petey when and knocked up his wife and forget to maintain dat shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it's not theirs, they prolly lifted it from one of the military texts of the 40s, and if you're a company selling colorizer glasses why the fuck would you want people NOT to "steal" your dumb diagnosios shit
pete_dushenski: used to be bablogs.btcscoop.net or something to that effect
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes knocked up his wife and he still maintains thefoundation
pete_dushenski: back in the days before gender-fair pronouns were all the rage
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea it was OOM. Added a swap file based on mod6 advice and it's building now.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ? << Have you ever seen 'Tusk' by Kevin Smith.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: sounds like human centipede but with walruses...
mircea_popescu: "high tech smoke detectors" << imagine my surprise when i discover he was being literal.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. WHat's so complicated about a dot of Ameracium.
pete_dushenski: imagine my surprise when i picked up a new '27 inch' monitor last night at it was 30 inches
BingoBoingo: Still, this is his biggest contribution to any Unix-liek system evar
mircea_popescu remembers the early dasys past dot-com bubble, when people were like, genuinelky trying to get linux to work.
mircea_popescu: "Our Dozens Of #Linux #Benchmark #Systems Still Burning Around 3000 kWh A Month"
mircea_popescu: o hey, check out all the things that matter according to people who don't.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. OH HAI NO QNTRA WITH TRANSPARENT CONTROLLING OWNERSHIP EXISTS. COntinue to Derpograph.
mircea_popescu: going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra << Depends on the subject they try to tackle, but questions abound.
mircea_popescu: the solution to "We're stupid" is to make .... A NEW COUNTRY!!!!
mircea_popescu: because clearly, the problem of coingraph or w/e wasn't the idiots manning it.
mircea_popescu: but something else. dark and nefarious, outside of "the people"./
mircea_popescu: who, very far from being unrepentant shitsacks, are really nice and good and everything. just, whenevere they leav to make a new one, SOMEONE keeps bringing some sacked shit and throwing it everywhere.
BingoBoingo: Like a taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the coinfire people who started a "premium" subscription deal and stopped posting
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:25; punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these a
mircea_popescu: really, "owned by all" ? so what, i go in there and edit stuff now ?
mircea_popescu: oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ?
mircea_popescu: that the stupidity discounted as broken a century ago is still the state of the art for these people should concern them.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't, obviously, because i guess it must be really pleasant to be retarded.
pete_dushenski:
https://twitter.com/KevTs/status/626468523930468352 << british vs. russian engineering today. at least in f1. needless to say, the british team is out of business and the russian team, which killed driver jules bianchi in 2014, the first driver to die in the sport since ayrton senna in '94, continues under the 'manor marrusia' brand.
mircea_popescu: should be a biannual casualty. the russians did more to make f1 respectable than any english speaker since 1994.
pete_dushenski: the benefits of having 1/10 the budget of the boring ass leaders of the pack
mircea_popescu: and yes, senna was maybe the best driver f1 ever had. top 10 for sure. it is bad that he died, it is WORSE that schumacher couldn't have died if he wanted to.
pete_dushenski: montaigne had a bit about this in his essay 'of cruelty'
mircea_popescu: "And so it is and so it comes and so he every time succumbs :
mircea_popescu: Half hour after wardrums beat, five minutes after warlike heat,
mircea_popescu: About a subjugated plain, among its desperate copies slain,
mircea_popescu: The Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00071946 = 48.9952 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: "Saucius at quadrupes nota intra tecta refugit, successitgue gemens stabulis; questuque cruentus atque imploranti similis, tectum omne replevit."
trinque: damn, I need to start using progre as a slur
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Why is scoopbot_revived So slow to IRC while tweeting?
trinque: would've been useful in yesterday's conversation with a female about how no, Hillary getting in (aside from anything she might do) would itself be a glorious step forward
trinque: incidentally I'm moving the fuck back to texas in a couple weeks :D
BingoBoingo: If I get this jerb I'll be moving back to Little Egypt
trinque: I'm going to live among the lovers of capitalism for a while again, and I'll see whether the weather here was actually worth it
pete_dushenski: "Cryptographer and digital currency researcher Nick Szabo, who many believe to be the real identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto, has stated that a rapid block size increase is “a huge security risk” and “a reckless act to be performing on a $4 billion system.” Szabo made the remarks as part of the ongoing debate over the Bitcoin block size, which continues to draw in major players from across the community. As
pete_dushenski: explained by Pete Dushenski, an author at Qntra and Contravex, the Bitcoin blockchain is like a city and the height of its walls is the network’s hashrate."
pete_dushenski: "Ultimately, Szabo, Dushenski, Mircea Popescu and Garzik agree that tampering with the block size will only make the blockchain heavy and insecure. “The biggest challenge ahead isn’t “bringing Bitcoin to the people” or some such nonsense, it’s in maintaining a sufficient number of nodes to relay and verify transactions. This is challenging issue that has yet to be fully addressed,” explained Dushenski."
pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: incidentally, today's discussion of the 1% ratchet should, if nothing else, serve as a burning icon of how exactly consensus is sought.
pete_dushenski: and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october
BingoBoingo: Wouldn't surprise me in the least Virtual Mining News people could become qntra contributors before the Torpeys and other CoinTelophone people do.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october << This is what the pros do
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ya, they're not ear-bitingly stupid, which is a non-qntra first
BingoBoingo: Nah there were non stupids earlier. I read this Trilema thing a few times.
mircea_popescu: trinque if nbothing else, autumn's a great time to go tyhere.
BingoBoingo: Though if in texas this fall it may make sense for you trinque to sell pecans you find to Chinese Bitcoin miners to build good will and a full wallet
trinque: BingoBoingo: haha, perhaps I still suffer under the delusion that Texas has a future
trinque: though the chinese may eat the rest of usistan
mircea_popescu: tho it'll prolly be part of the mexican cartel federation.
BingoBoingo: Seriously last few years Chicoms have been spiking pecan prices
trinque: mircea_popescu: could be, and if it survives the fight with them, maybe that experience helps it on the path to being an actual country
trinque: dunno, depends on what the federation's like, I guess
mircea_popescu: sell oil and dope to california, buy chained 20something yo ohioites in exchange. hard to resist.
assbot: Wouldn't it be great if the Bitcoin Community around the world were the source of "consensus" ? : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1LgnRTb )
mircea_popescu: in fact they're just doing what they've always done : agreeing over their stale beer + pizza that the boss is dumb and the company doubleplusungood.
BingoBoingo: Fuck world wide. Phillipines forfeited its vote. Africa (sorry flufferpony) forfeited its vote. Only Aztlan and Babylon have Voats
mircea_popescu: lol the sad stories of previous usians with pinoy sluts touched you huh
BingoBoingo: Aztlan loves white people, tis their sole source of income
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager. << Meztizos want to be the new white race
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but quetzalkoatl has to eat! << Black man.
mircea_popescu: and cointrary to all the "hic sunt leones" anglo propaganda, the worst arabs are gonna do to you is in all likelyhood ask you to go further in, because you're too fairskinned to be this back in the mosq.