decimation: Rule by permanant bureaucracy is actually pretty stable historically
decimation: look at the Eastern Roman empire, and China
decimation: The trick that the us government must navigate is to make the people still think they matter while making all the real decisions for them
mircea_popescu: it's only stable for as long as there's no new technology.
davout: mircea_popescu: nice article, preaching to the converted :-)
mircea_popescu: this is why attacking the currency is so paramountly important.
mircea_popescu: davout i like preaching to the converted, they have the best cleavage.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'll need to ask pankkake to explain this one to me
davout: i don't know what you mean by cleavage
davout: pankkake: your english is better than mine
decimation: I'm certainly a fan of peaceful transitions
decimation: hopefully there will be no Committee for Public Safety in the us
davout: haha i still don't get it ><
mircea_popescu: decimation peaceful transition is experimentally a function of ethnic and cultural homogenity and size.
mircea_popescu: the us is a large, federal (as opposed to national) construct.
davout: mircea_popescu: this i get
decimation: yeah, there are many possibilities but the most likely seems to be falling back to individual soviergnty of the states
decimation: especially the ones that haven't been demographically ruined
decimation: some states are fairly homogeneous, and the idea of a 'state' is a sufficient Schelling point around which militia can rally
mircea_popescu: except the only point of history n the us is the defeating of such a construct.
mircea_popescu: or review the legal history of the concept of nullification
mircea_popescu: no argument that it will probably get bloody around this argument rather than any other,
decimation: the trouble is that the collapse of the US will engulf the entire world in instability
KRS-One: decimation is correct, unfortunately
KRS-One: not sure about the stability part, but it will be felt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025498 = 0.255 BTC [+]
decimation: Well, almost all "sovereign" nations today define themselves in relation to US power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00025498 = 0.3825 BTC [+]
decimation: at the very least, there will be a hunt for collaborators
mircea_popescu: that's how medieval italy played out, except everyone inside blamed everyone for doing it
decimation: I guess if everyone is at fault then nobody is at fault
mircea_popescu: i doubt us people will actually want russian boots in pennsylvania
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2785 @ 0.000255 = 0.7102 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: obviously should the russians, chinese, saudi, israelis etc etc actually want to set foot
mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, you know how late venice resolved the problem of french invaders ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe north korea will invade the south once us troops go home
jurov: china joins the fray, then japan,...
mircea_popescu: jurov famished as they are, they'll be prolly beaten off with a stick
decimation: We are talking 1600's or so? no I don't
jurov: hopfully and dumbed by meth.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000255 = 0.255 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: including a certain high ranking chick the french king.
mircea_popescu: so i can totally see arizona liberated by the las vegas cocksucker tribe.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids war lite. people shooting each other with small arms as if it were burbank.
decimation: interesting. the trouble with a turbulant future for the US (or other nuclear powers) is: what happens to the nukes?
jurov: the us bought them
pankkake: does S.MPOE intend to buy nukes?
mircea_popescu: a sovereign is a sovereign, it will do anything it may deem worth doing.
decimation: indeed, and once a 'bitcoin sovereign' acquires nukes, the foothold will be forever established
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086745 = 10.4961 BTC [-]
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decimation: The Russian nukes were managed by the civil service who wrought them
mircea_popescu: decimation not really, it's an expensive and dirty foothold.
decimation: Well, if there is a major collapse of the US dollar for instance
decimation: the aircraft carriers will rot in their docks
mircea_popescu: one of the reason this sovereign beats that sovereign is that it has a better definition of sovereignity.
mircea_popescu: one that's not tailored to the last lost war and its constraints.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in 2013 nuclear warheads are about as useful as DTT bombs in an apple model store.
mircea_popescu: really, they'll kill a fly ? and douse everyone in there in carcinogenics ?
jurov: they will prolly sell them at thinkgeek
decimation: well, the ultimate argument against nukes today is that wealth is not held physically anymore
decimation: the value of a city is the sum of all the services its brains can provide
decimation: nuking the place ruins the value, making it a foolish proposition for any rational actor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: moreover, practically : tokyo was hit worse than if the us had actually detonated a large nuclear warhead.
mircea_popescu: according to tokio administration, everything is and has been ok.
jurov: there are irrational actors. religious nuttery is actually on the rise.
mircea_popescu: jurov the guarantee isn't that no city will be hit. in fact as i say above, at least one already has.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.000255 = 0.9945 BTC [+]
decimation: even in the red zone you would likely survive the immediate radiation if you were in a simple bunker
decimation: the pressure and fire, not so much perhaps
mircea_popescu: this is in fact the laser pointer argument all over again. the earth is very large. nukes are rather limited. see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000255 = 1.53 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: from Cryptsy "We pick coins based on what we perceive the volume will be not based on any criteria you can just meet."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1618 @ 0.00087094 = 1.4092 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o looky, wikipedia finally running out of bandwidth ?!
pankkake: I thought you just had to bribe them
decimation: indeed, and any attack against a nuclear state with nukes must always be considered suicidal because of the uncertainty about counter-strikes
mircea_popescu: "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3920 @ 0.000255 = 0.9996 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: decimation not quite. the russians would retaliate against the us and eu, the us would probably retaliate against china,
mircea_popescu: china likely won't retaliate and that's the whole story.
Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi // you're aware of the fees right ?
herbijudlestoids: i am aware that there is a commission, yes...what does that have to do with the bid/ask spread?
herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: im trying to build a microstructure and get paid appropriately for it
herbijudlestoids: i am not the only one with this game in mind it seems, someone has an algo waiting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07166666 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: your spread has to be higher than the commission in order to make it profitable disregarding price movement
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.97, Best ask: 606.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 603.06, 24 hour volume: 28763.64056223, 24 hour low: 601.54, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.853465711
benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.0, Best ask: 444.47083, Bid-ask spread: 0.47083, Last trade: 444.0, 24 hour volume: 29456.16303645, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 549.0, 24 hour vwap: 492.42453
herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: if i can convince some other fuckers to be doing the same thing then it starts to roll
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe so. even if he had tho... he'd still be underwater atm
Apocalyptic: the guy running it is a nobody with shady past history afaik, UI is shit, the engine is PHP and looks like shit too
pankkake: so are the other altcoin trading places
BingoBoingo: Their order matching seems to be shit as well.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching?
mircea_popescu: i think we should ban kakobrekla because he is slanderous.
Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? // try to sell for a price of 0.00001
kakobrekla: not this again, whats next, you gonna ask me to fix and run mpex?
Apocalyptic: order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: i tried to wipe out your bids with one limit order down to 111 satoshis and it skipped your bids and sold cheap
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids << ahahaha WHAT
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so it puts unfunded bids on the book ?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, I just manually sniped your bids after that fail.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They were executed after the sale at 110 satoshis. Because I had to target them at the exact price
B007: everyone likes girls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: check the ATC trade history
pankkake: well, I updated the makefile, older boost versions don't need that change
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just waiting for the next challenger to try to close the bid-ask spread
pankkake: openex considers a 30 char password is only "good"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12471428 = 0.873 BTC [+] {5}
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mircea_popescu: basically the concept of altcoin matched just perfectly on the preexisting pump and dump thing.
Duffer1: "Will be doing huge pumps in the future. Honest, safe, never pre-pump."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
B007: I made some dosh doing pump & dump
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 2011 tho. you gotta understand, it was sort-of like atc.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu wheres that personal responsibility url
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: if you want the market to be liquid at ~100 so be it :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00025437 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are the one who keeps Buying high and selling low
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as rickles once said, he's making a loss on every trade but hopes to make it up on volume.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My favorite part of this exercise is the one where I nao have moar ATC and BTC
BingoBoingo: Except for that mistake in their order matching left me down some ATC, because string and cans
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the goal was to seed a microstructure, but if you dont want one, thats coo :) i can just lift the offers
Vexual: im coming to the party
pankkake: should fake volumes be a feature of altcoingen.io? :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I believe this point came up in the -assets log earlier. You didn't need someone with 100 BTC to beat your efforts at Market Marking. All it took as someone with 0.015 BTC and some ATC.
kakobrekla: i dont know what is happening. so ill leave.
herbijudlestoids: and if im not capitalised correctly then the best i can do is the best i can do
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Or you could simply try to not become less capitalized?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yer, in which case the spread stays at 300 and nobody gives a fuck about the market
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It isn't necessarily unhealty. It simply means sellers and buyers have a disagreement.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ok well let us see how much activity occurs with a spread of 300, my guess is none.
herbijudlestoids: probly between me and you there has been more activity in ATCBTC in the last hour than the last 5 days
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price.
BingoBoingo: BTC on the other hand is too expensive to throw away on making a market look right.
BingoBoingo: It is more important the market actually BE right, than to look "right"
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider the spreads on S.BBET and S.NSA
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No the correct state is trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier this week it was up to 0.1 in a 24 hour period on Openex
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids gotta be a least a coupla bitcoins by now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it wasn't sustained long enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069 = 0.276 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and then ThickAsThieves also bought some iirc, so did you
pankkake: my sales are probably 0.3 BTC tops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3017 @ 0.000255 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [+]
pankkake: bernankoin had a sole $25 transaction
pankkake: making it worth $10668370931 now
mike_c: HunterS sold a couple million ATC supposedly
mike_c: he said he already offloaded 1.6mn before that
mircea_popescu: amusingly this is way better than bitcoin's first year
mircea_popescu: i think it took about 19 months for a 5 btc aggregated trade
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't much traded. I simply saw herbijudlestoids buying and selling at prices I like.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: you say price, BingoBoingo is talking perceived value.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were both discussing other people's other trades
herbijudlestoids: nah i put some bids in, try and create some interest, bingo wanted the bids instead of pass the parcel...now nothin
BingoBoingo: When he put in asks I also found them palatable.
mircea_popescu: "so, fiat quant finds crypto playground, gets creamed" ?
herbijudlestoids: well, it was my assumption that BingoBoingo wouldnt wanna see the last trade as ~100 but i guess i was wrong
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: last trade now seems to be 700
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i have not been creamed in any market since may 6 2010 :)
duduqa: Apocalyptic: fresh newbies desperate
mircea_popescu: traditionally "i had a plan, gotta discontinue cause out of capital" is creamed.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i sold some BTC for some ATC? at above the diff implied price?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that's what happens when you're MMing with low funds
B007: ozbot: boob are too big
KRS-One: yeah its totally looking the other way all stuck up
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you're always going to be low on funds. this is bitcoin.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no problem specifically, but its unsustainable, id prefer to continue making a market around the diff implied price than not
mircea_popescu: how is it unsustainable, selling btc for atc at above diff implied price ?
herbijudlestoids: i mean, now that i have no BTC in the account, i cant make the market...thats all
mike_c: so you made some profitable trades and now you're broke.
mircea_popescu: either what you do is profitable and sustainable, or else it isn't. we have a word for that latter.
herbijudlestoids: so if i make a profit, but i cant make another profit, it counts as getting creamed?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 315 @ 0.0055 = 1.7325 BTC {2}
kakobrekla: > I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time.
kakobrekla: perhaps we were short, perhaps i was high
kakobrekla: perhaps i cut my dick off with that btc
Duffer1: i've never seen that color of star trek shirt
jayk: at least ringo wasnt singing
jayk: did you ever find out who that band of naked ladies was mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla since you're not doing anything useful anyway, approve some bashes ?
jayk: oh id have to look for the picture
jayk: it was a week and half ago
jayk: it was in black and white
mircea_popescu: yes well you gotta cut me some slack here, i deal with nude bands of amazons on a biweekly basis
jayk: it was kind of amusing
mike_c: herbijudlestoids: it is not complicated. you did not "make a profit". you entered a position.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why are you two so convinced a high last trade is useful or important ?
mike_c: omg. their order matching is horrible
mircea_popescu: not saying it isn't necessarily, but curious as to the rationale.
kakobrekla: wait, reading the forum is not useful!? fuck, the time wasted.
mircea_popescu: jayk ah, nope. they claimed it was some slovenian band but it turned out to be a scam
BingoBoingo: Hopefully some Dogers will see 700 and think my selling at 625 is cheap
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im starting to feel like i perceive value at 110 :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Isn't two cans and a sting magical
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00087106 = 5.7899 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: as long as the spread is wide it costs me almost nothing to keep the last at 110 :P
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know you aren't gifiting me cheap ATC at that price?
mircea_popescu: to reiterate my earlier q : why are you so convinced a high price is better than a low price ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm not at all convinced. I just want to trick herbijudlestoids into gifting me more coins.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you're focusing on the wrong aspect here. nobody is proposing you should be hanged, the argument isn't that o woe, you lost your dwelling and your woman and your future playing barbute with teh atc market.
herbijudlestoids: yea im not really sure what the argument is other than BingoBoingo wanted to prove some point about the way BTC markets should be
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BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, the point is they should be different from Doge markets with their pumping and dumping and a lack of actual value
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids think in terms of autonomous entities. like say an insect, or whatever. its survival as a type and as a species depends on interracting with an unspeicifed envronment a certain way.
herbijudlestoids: lucky my survival doesnt depend at all whatsoever on my attempts to generate interest on openex in ATCBTC :)
mike_c: <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more?
herbijudlestoids: haha fuck mike_c if its so aggravating, you can just put me on ignore, right? like i dont want to draw sighs from anyone
mike_c: uh oh. don't get all sensitive again
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mike_c: nevermind, nevermind. anyway, the spread has gotten lower.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no but see, the argument is that nature did well enough populating the earth without trying to populate the earth
mircea_popescu: but merely out of a bunch of things following my rule above.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile obama did very poorly trying to "restart the economy" from the top down
mircea_popescu: and generally, the ideology surrounding bitcoin is that these two are irreconciliable, and the 2nd is wrong.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: yall seem convinced that you have taught me some kind of lesson...or that im learning it...or whatever...all i can see is approx what i said would happen if undercapitalised, happened. i dont really take any exception to it happening, but to the idea that there was some kind of inherent lesson, or some point, whatever... i dont see it
herbijudlestoids: this all started because mircea_popescu asked if i would be his "ATC daytrader on openex" because i mentioned having put on a small cascade of limit sells last night...and i said i didnt think there was anything to the market except the potential for MM
herbijudlestoids: i tried it anyway, to keep an open mind because maybe i am missing some concept... but i dont think i am.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: your analogies arent even close to related. nature builds simple robust systems, obama trying to restart a complex system far from equilibrium...
Vexual: Prince defined it back in '91
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: in no sense am i trying to build a complex system, just provide the seedbed for liquidity in ATCBTC on openex, in the hopes of enticing others to do similar
benkay: hope and socialism and a couple million bucks might get you a market.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00087115 = 10.3667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08174 = 0.4087 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: herb, i wasn't trying to rile you up. i was just commenting on you saying you didn't care because you lost $9. my point was that's the best kind of loss to learn from if you can.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, it's nothing as heavyhanded as "a lesson" blabla, it's just we apparently all seem to see sometyhing there.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i just explained it? nature does not build systems which drift from equilibrium. obama is literally riding a complex system in escape velocity. the implication is that what i tried to do is ...incorrect...because its obama-esque and not nature-esque...im saying thats so far from what i was trying to accomplish, that i dont understand the connection
mircea_popescu: so what were you trying to accomplish ? because it seems one of those polymorphous things which changes under examination.
mircea_popescu: were you trying to turn a profit, were you trying to improve the atc ecosystem, what was it ?
jimjenkin: obama cant build obamacare becuase its impossible to scale 1 system to 330million individuals duh.
jimjenkin: that type of health system works in tiny populations like norway
mircea_popescu: jimjenkin norway has the advantage it doesn't need to build self-sustaining system, because they're getting free money from the sea.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: what i said to you from the very beginning was that there is no profit to turn, except in the potential for MM, which i am underfunded for, but i would give a crack anyway
herbijudlestoids: profit can come when there is an actual stack of bids and offers to sell into, in the meantime can make a small market around the diff implied price which encourages others to do same, generating the potential for daytrading, etc
jimjenkin: answers a simple question with gibberish
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is pretty much bitcoin-fiat dialogue, personified.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the purpose of my activity, like i explained to you (now 3 times) was to have a go at something i was skeptical would work, specifically because you seemed to think there was some potential in trying the idea out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0008721 = 13.7792 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so what you're saying is basically that my question can not be answered, in that you can't in retrospect establish if you were or were not trying to turn a profit.
herbijudlestoids: i already said from the beginning that its highly unlikely for any business to succeed if undercapitalised and in this case i am undercapitalised for "daytrading ATC on openex"
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? << the problem here is, of course, that people will waive their immunity to reality when reality is still powerless. this kind of puts a low bound on everyone's education, and this is why it's so much cheaper to educate poor kids.
mircea_popescu: so you said hail mary before stepping on the battlefield. so ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c also why slaves are the most educable. they own nothing, are immune to nothing, have no choice but tu learn.
jimjenkin: mircea_popescu: can you talk about the latest developments regarding the tx mal. bullshit, does it matter?
mircea_popescu: jimjenkin depends what your criteria are, but i dunno why it would generally matter.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i was not specifically, with the amount of capital input, trying to turn a profit. no. i figured that was clear but apparently not. the goal, specifically, was to entice an "ecosystem" as you put it, into existence, from which a profit can actually be derived.
mircea_popescu: so you were not trying to turn a profit, but to build up the ecosystem.
mircea_popescu: how is this different from obama trying to "restart the economy" ?
mircea_popescu: so you perceive no point of contact between the two whatsoever ?
jimjenkin: everyone in crypto is trying to build an ecosystem, but they never explain what that ecosystem actually is
jimjenkin: another catchphrase of the tech community
herbijudlestoids: for the retarded, pls explicitly state what is the point of contact between trying to establish liquidity for exchanging ATCBTC and obama trying to kickstart a disjoint complex system in failure mode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16046 @ 0.0008704 = 13.9664 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the us economy is in state S, obama intends to move it to state S'.
mircea_popescu: it would seem you are substantially both the same thing doing the same thing : having identified a "better" state and labouring to enact this notion of yours into reality.
herbijudlestoids: soooo basically, everything fighting entropy in any form whatsoever is now analoguous to obama trying to kickstart the economy
mircea_popescu: your body is not aiming for a state in that sense, but merely proceeding from X.
mircea_popescu: you see, if your liver relases glycogen, this is because of X, not because of X'.
mircea_popescu: this distinction, which may appear without a difference, is actually the whole story.
herbijudlestoids: usually when you type mircea_popescu i feel like there is a ray of insight and knowledge which i can catch and appreciate. not so much today.
jimjenkin: so are you trying to make a profit
random_cat: what is the underlying for mpex options these days?
mircea_popescu: random_cat same as always, the bitcoincharts usd basket
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids can you proceed through reductio ad absurdum ?
MisterE: for some reason a drop always makes me giddy
mircea_popescu: MisterE in this case it makes me giddy too, i've a boatload of puts.
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random_cat: i knew i'd seen the basket answer before, but it got lost somewhere in the grey matter
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that they're not decentralised, that's why.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.21, Best ask: 583.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.29000, Last trade: 580.2, 24 hour volume: 34030.08209270, 24 hour low: 575.13, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 623.550568937
gribble: There are currently 29342.931 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 33898938.0649 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.7646 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: iv come up with a new strategy to keep hitting the bids with tiny increments and keep the last price down, somebody doesnt like it and has been thickening the book for me
herbijudlestoids: yea they have to keep the book thicker to stop the tiny offers hitting their bids
BingoBoingo: Doge just had its first halving, Altcoin need to work on its Moon.
the20year1: There is now nearly a $200 gap between gox and coinbase
the20year1: however at one time the $ over coinbase price was quite high
taub: still spooky watching gox die like this
ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, Over 4,000 Bitcoin Allegedly Stolen | TechCrunch
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.73, Best ask: 556.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 556.0, 24 hour volume: 36665.57017113, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 621.045881481
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087083 = 11.1414 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: do they still have any magic cards to trade?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> it's not a gap it's a conversion rate << more like a convulsion rate.
ThickAsThieves: i mean people are panicking, thinking they are actually selling at a loss so they can buy cheaper
MisterE: if they have halted withdrawals its over
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: from my understanding only bitcoin withdrawals have been halted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0028036 = 1.4018 BTC [-] {8}
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P
MisterE: I still cant find any difinitive news about it
MisterE: yea I never wanted to trade at Gox ever
ThickAsThieves: herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account
MisterE: not after their harsh verification crap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00279702 = 4.1955 BTC [-] {5}
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol ....
https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> this is it boys << you have any idea how many different times in its history gox showed crossed wire ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc
MisterE: Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong
MisterE: it's the asian face saving thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1226 @ 0.000257 = 0.3151 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00087259 = 17.8445 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: theres almost 100 altcoins now
MisterE: I think that counts the ones that have failed too
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons.
mircea_popescu: MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations
MisterE: yea thats the only thing that worried me was the Russian angle
cazalla: MisterE: it'll be on gox any moment!
MisterE: or started in Russia or someting
ThickAsThieves: just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?"
benkay: MisterE: better to assume everything's a scam but Bitcoin.
MisterE: that is their only hope is to take on altcoins
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
mike_c: ATC is fifth highest volume on openex
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19221 @ 0.00086838 = 16.6911 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the human condition is a major theme in artwork across the centuries.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
mike_c: ;;market sell --market bitstamp 5000
gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds
taub: marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough
taub: too much competition
gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds
taub: don't lose money, but don't make any either
taub: just swapping btc back and forth for 0% fee
gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.7914 seconds
herbijudlestoids: gotta say, funniest vday on facebook iv ever seen, people are making good jokes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00531947 = 0.5319 BTC [-] {3}
herbijudlestoids: are Australian kisses something people overseas think we do but actually dont? :P
B007: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 213 @ 0.00083555 = 0.178 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt."
B007: ;;market sell 10000000
gribble: A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds
herbijudlestoids: also lots of people are saying happy Vladintines day, with pictures of putin being seductive, fucken hilarious
benkay: as in does what ams said on tin?
B007: ;;market sell 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds
herbijudlestoids: benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so
gribble: Error: '.bait' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.
gribble: A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds
B007: wait where can i buy for 390
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.071625 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
Namworld: Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
B007: wait coinbase you can sell for 600
B007: are mtgox buys not going though?
mircea_popescu: Namworld clearly you're a terrorist, because everyone drives
Namworld: Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom.
ThickAsThieves: Canada doesnt have an ID card that works just like license?
B007: canada is like mini usa
Namworld: And it's a canadian business. Photo ID or Driver's license - No passport or provincial health card.
benkay: a coupla chainsaws mebbe
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds
Namworld: I only have passport and health card available here.
moiety: morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple]
B007: I have a $50,000.00 USD sell limit; anybody wanna sell?
moiety: kiwis are so underrated
moiety: just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins
moiety: i love the NZ accent, i wonder if they all sound so cheeky
moiety: i wonder if my muffins will turn out green, hope so
moiety: might make them blue, i have dye
bloctoc: B007 that's a question for bitcoin-otc this forum is exclusively for smart-ass commentary
B007: ;;market buy 100000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds
herbijudlestoids: B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :)
B007: yeah I should probably do that
moiety: ye of little faith ThickAsThieves
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1175 @ 0.0027757 = 3.2614 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12000 @ 0.00025694 = 3.0833 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: nah, right in line with predictions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00275 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3}
Namworld: Can someone explain to me why CasinoBitcoin trades at 400 MONTHS of profits now? Keeps raising.
benkay: did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet?
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Duffer1: Namworld probably gambling on possible buyout price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1946 @ 0.00025749 = 0.5011 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet
moiety: i remember that benkay, ridiculous
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14063 @ 0.00087096 = 12.2483 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: congrats herbi, we just fired a client.
benkay: let me know if you need ops support ;)
Duffer1: "Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. "
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more
Duffer1: Updates tab has the announce
mircea_popescu: "CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013"
mircea_popescu: how retarded do you have to be to claim first=anything in 2013 ?!
the20year1: i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013
Duffer1: i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ?
the20year1: I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed.
the20year1: And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork
Duffer1: cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition
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benkay: how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1183 shares, 6.50650000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC)
mike_c: assbot is lagged? he says 30188
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00491499 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5}
the20year1: So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 14272 BTC profit, 41.5k BTC invested, 630.69 mio bets, 5.00 mio BTC wagered
the20year1: I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0049143 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: some guy just dropped 1k btc on jd. it was a ride.
moiety: \o/ muffins turned out :D
ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees
benkay: who's responsible for keeping track of that?
Vexual: i'm shocked asic hasn't told em off yet
Duffer1: i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them
moiety: my muffins are not a scam, how dare you
benkay: it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply"
Duffer1: maybe kenilworth too greedy to share the spoils of their scam with havelock
ThickAsThieves: no kenilworth just didnt fool enough people to get any volume
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00087297 = 13.7388 BTC [+]
Vexual: but they got a new landcruiser
benkay: el oh el everything's a scam
benkay: i'm going for a slice of pizza
Duffer1: i'm pretty sure they got thousands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1075 @ 0.00083462 = 0.8972 BTC [-] {5}
Duffer1: they didn't get a satoshi from me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00083402 = 0.2269 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: landcruiser is rock where kangaroo is scissors
the20year1: i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on
Vexual: dont ill bust another gut
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00012000 / 0.00020914 / 0.00025998 (246707 shares, 51.59604926 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015478 / 0.00025998 (1080713 shares, 167.27789495 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00012483 / 0.00025998 (2308771 shares, 288.19321627 BTC)
Vexual: so will aussie passports
moiety: no, the muffins are not a lie!
mircea_popescu: derp. the largest casino IN THE WORLD is worth less than pocket change
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ThickAsThieves: cuz it'd be way higher, yet could never ever survive slippage
Vexual: who cares about magic the gathering, whats atc doing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547192 = 0.5472 BTC [+] {4}
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P
Vexual: you need some collateral mate?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00086822 = 18.0156 BTC [-] {4}
herbijudlestoids: nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ?
the20year1: mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor
moiety: how is ATC doing ThickAsThieves should i have a wallet by now?
the20year1: For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing
ThickAsThieves: so far ATC has seen lows of like 150sat to highs of 700
herbijudlestoids: moiety: get a wallet and i will send you one freshly mined ATC no strings attached!
the20year1: Spent several million dollars on a rock band for pc where you used your keyboard. First week sales were a couple hundred dollars
Vexual: noone knows, they moved the cap
moiety: that's really kind herbi, but it's ok, i could try and mine one myself... OH I got my vanity! but its all mixed case D:
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i think bingo has been thickening it up while we argued earlier, cos i kept pinging his bids hehe
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then....
ThickAsThieves: lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70
ozbot: Is mcxNow trustful?
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: cloud storage is billed usually by the GB/month
mircea_popescu: nobody has yet done a splendid job of bitcoin-based hosting, and there'd definitely be demand.
mod6: can you withdraw atc @ openex? or just btc?
mircea_popescu: you'll likely move from offering just storage to offering processing too anyway
Bunnyh: how come some of my Altcoin block rewards are only 50 ATC ? i've mined a couple hundred blocks and most are 512, but three blocks are only 50
Bunnyh: txids: 600b598d44a39d0d6c98a02462ce453296ce0733b8febd039a1173f205519d7f 64c330b169c013de2da3137b11a9bf110f91118b9c00af7f4a4ce4921f674c9c f50ed30a51ad8b40660fb96c43f3b44dffb57652e4c3ee208fa768f5fcff4684
herbijudlestoids: mod6: withdrawals seem to require manual admin approval while theyre still in beta so keep that in mind
herbijudlestoids: i seen lots of people complaining in the chat cos they thought theyre automatic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 139 @ 0.50462769 = 70.1432 BTC [-] {43}
ThickAsThieves: maybe we discover how to hack bitcoin to have smaller block rewards
Bunnyh: yes i think so, unless it has already rotated enough so that those blocks aren't visible
Bunnyh: can't access it until after a few hours though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+]
mod6: herbi: thanks for the heads up.
herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there
Bunnyh: i mined them on the 2nd
Bunnyh: and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway
mircea_popescu: sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block
Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly
Vexual: did you get any 512 blocks like that?
Bunnyh: just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly
Vexual: why you telling people thne?
herbijudlestoids: it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying
Bunnyh: Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
Vexual: are you mining bc on the same rig?
MisterE: too much hashpower is a good problem to have
Bunnyh: Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays
herbijudlestoids: weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks
herbijudlestoids: not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
Bunnyh: "thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean
Bunnyh: they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind
Vexual: someone would notic 512 bc blocks
Vexual: so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked
MisterE: there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked
MisterE: last niminee to try to be honest
Bunnyh: can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes?
Vexual: what code are you running bunny?
Bunnyh: that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool
MisterE: I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p
Bunnyh: looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations
Evolyn: can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~
herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097...
agorecki: What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: <Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}
Bunnyh: so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config
Bunnyh: it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks
Evolyn: sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time
MisterE: it's probably being ddosed
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated?
Bunnyh: 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising...
ThickAsThieves: might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount
MisterE: dammit man, I see images inline
MisterE: it's ok I'm numb to goatse
Bunnyh: i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ...
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh.
MisterE: its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;)
Luke-Jr: subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000)
herbijudlestoids: is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before
Luke-Jr: used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block
Luke-Jr: and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+]
Bunnyh: thanks, mystery solved
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins?
Bunnyh: that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins
ThickAsThieves: how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy
Luke-Jr: I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work
Luke-Jr: and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number?
Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: merklemaker.py line 160
Luke-Jr: Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse.
ozbot: merklemaker.py in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious
Bunnyh: no other hits for 5000000000
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087297 = 4.4521 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips
Duffer1: ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: is the same as
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b
Luke-Jr: except abc might be some.object.property instead of just a word
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore
Duffer1: it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses.
benkay: (defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger))
Bugpowder: I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact.
Duffer1: I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing?
Duffer1: he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason...
mircea_popescu: no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong.
mircea_popescu: perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright.
Duffer1: he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3...
mircea_popescu: "it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-]
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know
herbijudlestoids: but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify?
Luke-Jr: it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business
Luke-Jr: I wouldn't call it correct.
Luke-Jr: I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong
Luke-Jr: and that software should only ever work in the base unit
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now.
benkay: learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000
herbijudlestoids: sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok?
benkay: engineering can never be a copy/paste affair.
herbijudlestoids: alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope
herbijudlestoids: but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code
herbijudlestoids: and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN
herbijudlestoids: ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool)
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.
gribble: Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
Bugpowder: if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago
Bugpowder: how are bitcoin transfers working right now?
Bugpowder: Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded.
Bugpowder: like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
Bugpowder: dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: anyone blacklisting wonky nodes?
Vexual: bugpowder you can always send it again
ozbot: It is clear that Silk Road 2 funds were stolen by the operators : Bitcoin
ozbot: My Milkshake - YouTube
Vexual: if you get ukyo and burnside to spill the beans on the fbi
MisterE: what herb, no honor among thieves? :)
MisterE: well I guess hosting a site for drug dealing doesn't make you a thief
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting
Vexual: this needs the ag dancing
Vexual: even his tie looks like a police car
ozbot: Nightcrawlers - Push The Feeling On - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51635 = 1.5491 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Daft Punk - Revolution 909 - YouTube
benkay: what the fuck is wrong with you two
Vexual: #Your search - -g - did not match any documents.
KRS-One: Did you have something important to talk about?
herbijudlestoids: you will understand tomorrow when the rest of the world catches up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.514 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"
Vexual: but id put it on a post and get out of the snow
ozbot: M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087062 = 10.8392 BTC [-]
ozbot: Peer Kusiv - Hoch-Tief (Video) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087062 = 3.1342 BTC [-]
ozbot: Madonna - Beautiful Stranger - Official Video HD - YouTube
Vexual: i heard mp lika madonna
ozbot: How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell - The Oatmeal
ozbot: Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 72 @ 0.06969012 = 5.0177 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08014598 = 4.0073 BTC [+] {9}
Vexual: ok my openex tx finally got in, ima trade me some atc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.0978 = 3.5208 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: how many confirms do they like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00087278 = 15.3967 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: not until you give us more music videos
Vexual: you changed your tune trudy
Vexual: did you stockholm syndrome on my utube spam?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00522077 = 3.6545 BTC [-] {11}
Vexual: or are you being facetious
jurov: by satoshi's decree
Vexual: a decree or a passing fancy?
Vexual: theres litttle difference with satishi
ozbot: Hilltop Hoods - Rattling the Keys to the Kingdom - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50916666 = 3.055 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00509978 = 0.561 BTC [-] {8}
Vexual: shit thats two bits of info yove given me herbi, friday, and valentins
Vexual: what else you got ? how to trade atc on openex?
herbijudlestoids: lollll go read todays logs for that, everyones got an opinion about how what i did was wrong
Vexual: i was there and reading
Vexual: i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize
Vexual: yeah i don't actuall love you
Vexual: youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex
Vexual: what are you mining with?
Vexual: loooks like bongo brain is preparing for me
Vexual: what do you know of bbs trades?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-]
Vexual: bingoboingos' trades i meant, not a dial in board
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.089 = 0.712 BTC [-]
Vexual: imagine if crypto currency was invented then
Vexual: ok so what do i do herbi, i got btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087453 = 15.829 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s
herbijudlestoids: if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid
herbijudlestoids: nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu
Vexual: yeah m,y head say buy a fuckload at 125
herbijudlestoids: i think theyre all in there to stop me from pinging the last price to 110 hehe
Vexual: what good would that do?
herbijudlestoids: nothing, but it foils bingos attempts to have it worth more than doge
herbijudlestoids: iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol
Vexual: yeah this coin is unique
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
herbijudlestoids: i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC
herbijudlestoids: just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on WoT...so not really necessary for much anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09779999 = 0.489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087013 = 14.8792 BTC [-]
Vexual: herbijudlestoids: how doeth rounding on samll amounts work?
Vexual: werent you buying microcents?
Vexual: do you have a notebook?
Vexual: well i just bought 200 at around pankkake's ask, so im good with that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14987 @ 0.00087514 = 13.1157 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: see what happens tommorrow, ciao valentineses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27347 @ 0.00087555 = 23.9437 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00087569 = 19.7906 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00293135 = 0.126 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00087658 = 79.8564 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39388 @ 0.00087663 = 34.5287 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 489 @ 0.0029 = 1.4181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0729999 = 0.146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08500003 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00024529 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07930345 = 7.058 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05809769 = 11.6195 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06999996 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06001922 = 0.7802 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00087317 = 23.3573 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06999325 = 2.5198 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0008709 = 13.0635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00025996 = 2.5996 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2959 @ 0.00025999 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08478997 = 1.3566 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08478998 = 4.2395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08478998 = 0.3392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.0042976 = 0.1719 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00025991 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025999 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479499 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0848 = 0.1696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0818 = 0.4908 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0845 = 0.507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086947 = 10.9553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0008693 = 15.517 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: <sturles> Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now.
jurov: he meant it seriously?
dexX7: you think that's not smart?
punkman1: if you can't take withdraw fiat, what else you gonna do
punkman1: buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2909 @ 0.00024438 = 0.7109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-]
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12405571 = 0.8684 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1241 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086978 = 11.0462 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar
pankkake: the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0008693 = 14.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4765 @ 0.000869 = 4.1408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21920 @ 0.00086992 = 19.0686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27762 @ 0.00087212 = 24.2118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37201 @ 0.00087383 = 32.5073 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders.
Apocalyptic: people seem to use it more as a wallet than an exchange though
Apocalyptic: we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0835 = 0.501 BTC [-]
jurov: x-bt needs to implement similar order matching :DDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 922 @ 0.00023038 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07227 = 0.1445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still.
jborkl: the option bid/ask is offline right now MP?
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Feature request for bash.bitcoin-assets.com: A link to the part in the relevant part at log.bitcoin-assets.com so that context is easier to find.
mircea_popescu: this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ?
jborkl: ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember
herbijudlestoids: i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich.
herbijudlestoids: aside from reading bash and trilema, any advice for someone who has to take a gap?
mircea_popescu: "mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!"
ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan.
boolcrap: your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years?
boolcrap: im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up
chetty: we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there
herbijudlestoids: i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07150094 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086971 = 15.4808 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00023999 = 0.432 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review
ThickAsThieves: "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+]
mike_c: and by "spent" they mean.. moved?
mike_c: so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08399997 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07300003 = 3.577 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00086953 = 10.8256 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ?
ozbot: Calling out CasinoBitco.in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling
pankkake: and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason.
pankkake: "the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique"
pankkake: everything's unique in some way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00086897 = 38.2347 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true.
mircea_popescu: more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system.
deadweasel: Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history.
deadweasel: since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable!
mircea_popescu: s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there
deadweasel: glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post.
mircea_popescu: i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock.
mircea_popescu: they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far.
deadweasel: i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock....
mircea_popescu: any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless.
pankkake: they're over the IPOs price now I think
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock.
pankkake: they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper
pankkake: and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs
pankkake: so that whole thing was badly done
deadweasel: were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-]
jborkl: topace doesnt own havelock anymore?
mircea_popescu: it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey.
pankkake: seems to be a bit stronger than the others
jborkl: oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal?
topace: correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange)
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE}
mircea_popescu: jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was.
jborkl: ok, yeah I missed that completely.
mircea_popescu: pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit.
mircea_popescu: "We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff.
jborkl: I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again.
benkay: some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC
Jere_Jones: Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole."
jborkl: I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days
ozbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib
Jere_Jones: Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :"
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it.
Asa9: sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now.
Asa9: you should call yourself the Oracle something
Asa9: just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-]
deadweasel: 'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha
Jere_Jones: And... I'm out of trilema credits. I guess I should get some work done.
deadweasel: dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa,
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point :
mircea_popescu: people love to think that trilema credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case
mircea_popescu: they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits.
mircea_popescu: fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue
mircea_popescu: no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn
mircea_popescu: and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that.
deadweasel: we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it.
Jere_Jones: Eh. No worries. Trilema credits are cheap. Surprisingly so.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes
mircea_popescu: all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ?
mircea_popescu: you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D
mod6: it has been quite the transformation over the last 30 years. WE WILL HAVE PROGRESS, FROM HOPE, TAXATION OF THE WEALTHY AND UNICORN FARTS! WE WILL SHOW THE WORLD HOW EXCEPTIONAL WE ARE!
boolcrap: tell me this joke i have not heard it
mircea_popescu: a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton
mircea_popescu: tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps
mircea_popescu: whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream!
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget.
boolcrap: a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
boolcrap: so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy"
boolcrap: and the rabbi says " out of what?"
Asa9: I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried.
Jere_Jones: Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs.
ozbot: Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed.
boolcrap: popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ?
boolcrap: i have nothing further to contribute to this.
boolcrap: hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2}
boolcrap: popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania?
pankkake: for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers
mod6: lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co.
pankkake: if you don't account for scandinavia maybe
ozbot: Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg
jborkl: pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed
boolcrap: what kind of line do u have at your house in romania?
boolcrap: what kind of internet do they have?
mircea_popescu: europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years.
mircea_popescu: there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term
boolcrap: theres no places where there isnt fiber run?
mod6: i used to live in the az countryside :)
mircea_popescu: boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive.
boolcrap: dam i just moved to the country
mod6: ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh
pankkake: I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that
boolcrap: how do i jerk off, no one knows
boolcrap: nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load
boolcrap: in my country i dont have a stable of women
mircea_popescu: builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early.
mircea_popescu: pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic.
mircea_popescu: i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania.
pankkake: most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith
pankkake: conversely, there are many romanian trackers
mircea_popescu: pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e
pankkake: either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all)
pankkake: well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed
pankkake: and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy
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pankkake: my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago
pankkake: private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download
pankkake: of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51446666 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: each user has upload/download stats
pankkake: and you have to maintain a good ratio of those
ozbot: FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica
pankkake: the goal is to encourage sharing
mircea_popescu: just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do.
pankkake: well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed
mircea_popescu: seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content
punkman1: the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything
punkman1: because too many people uploading
pankkake: the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!!
mircea_popescu: so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia
pankkake: the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that
mircea_popescu: and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place.
pankkake: I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it
punkman1: pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders?
punkman1: seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone
punkman1: yeah it's a bit twisted this logic
pankkake: the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things
pankkake: I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone
mircea_popescu: wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1291 @ 0.000225 = 0.2905 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699985 = 0.231 BTC [+]
pankkake: and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable
pankkake: wikipedians love to delete pages
mircea_popescu: they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying
mircea_popescu: they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3609 @ 0.000225 = 0.812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07629999 = 0.1526 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06470221 = 1.1646 BTC [-] {3}
Asa9: mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!!
mircea_popescu: because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 491 @ 0.000225 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1584 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4509 @ 0.0002181 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00087063 = 24.1165 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06410011 = 1.282 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06173911 = 2.5313 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.07335355 = 1.0269 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.19376446 = 1.1626 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11739 @ 0.00086772 = 10.1862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00086657 = 1.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00087448 = 7.0719 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27063 @ 0.00087468 = 23.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0008725 = 11.2553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0729999 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07393176 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021806 = 0.9813 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210004 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06899997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00515454 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00500738 = 0.7511 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00022675 = 0.4535 BTC [+]
mod6: 2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl
pankkake: well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows
punkman1: "So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?"
Willdude123: What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E
Willdude123: Are there any good books on investments I can read?
Asa9: the richest man in babylon
Asa9: there are many pdfs online
kakobrekla: B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts'
Asa9: well what do you mean on investments?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: Willdude123 log.bitcoin-assets.com turned out to be a good book to read up on investments
Willdude123: I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business
Willdude123: Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 457 @ 0.05586238 = 25.5291 BTC [-] {11}
kakobrekla: take the time to understand and self learn yourself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086838 = 26.9198 BTC [-]
Willdude123: kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out?
Jere_Jones: punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want?
punkman1: Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0008711 = 14.1989 BTC [+]
Willdude123: So it costs £12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit?
bones`: I would think successful trades?
Willdude123: Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency
Willdude123: The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that
ozbot: Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch
Willdude123: I'm not making a claim to understanding it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
ozbot: Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet
BingoBoingo: Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0008725 = 21.5508 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: induction is irresistable
benkay: punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere?
davout: or should i dig the logs?
kakobrekla: hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times
kakobrekla: but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so
davout: yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc
davout: the question is who buys it
davout: punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base
davout: one of the two is unknown
kakobrekla: anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time
kakobrekla: the most irritating is the min trade fee
davout: oh yeah i heard about this one
kakobrekla: i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi
davout: like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee?
kakobrekla: and ofc fee in that case is millions %
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting
davout: "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3}
davout: kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to
Apocalyptic: the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified
davout: Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ?
davout: yea, that's kind of mysterious
ThickAsThieves: as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible?
davout: maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions
davout: maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s
ThickAsThieves: "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such
davout: if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation
ThickAsThieves: which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+]