assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00076641 = 12.2626 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW
Jason: mircea_popescu: hehe. assbot?
Jason: i don't see the difference hehe
Jason: i don't see how that's any worse than naked wanker
mircea_popescu: there's really no need or utility for private messaging here.
mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds.
☟︎ Jason: mircea_popescu: if you'd like to discuss in-chan, that's fine by me
mircea_popescu: this isn't exactly a supybot module, but more like a long term sort of project, which will both require maintenance and afford the maintainer a position in teh bitcoin hierarchy.
Jason: mircea_popescu: i did, but now we're separating bitcoind from the bot
mircea_popescu: i doubt you need to run a bitcoind. all you need really is to generate a tx and include it. various services allow this, say blockchain.info
RagnarDanneskjol: FYI - I contacted everyone on git who has done anything with teh bots - most of the names led me back here, nanatube, etal. One amusing response you might appreciate:
mircea_popescu: maybe it's cheaper/easier to just do bitcoind i guess, depends
RagnarDanneskjol: I would have been available, but I am not willing to work for an
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Search the #bitcoin-assets log
Jason: mircea_popescu: you're fine if i post my understanding of what the project involves, yes?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yes, most people study joomla, which will never pay their bills. few people even know how much more important techs a la supybot are for the future of it.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's okay, "an organisation who" doesn't want to work with people what such a poor mastery of grammers.
Jason: mircea_popescu: so essentially collect < 16 kb of data from a POST, record it, and have an event every 512 seconds to verify clearsigned signatures and append it to a string which will then be hashed?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other objectifying women news, i just poured down the drain a whole bottle of mumm because i got fucking scammed. here i am, naively buying stuff from major colonials store, only to discover i am being sold local knockoffs. shit was flat and tasted like llama piss to boot!
nubbins`: how does llama piss taste, anyway?
mircea_popescu: Jason well, and pipe that to a website, say records.bitcoin-assets.com
Jason: mircea_popescu: ok -- and that's it?
Jason: where does an IRC bot come in?
nubbins`: BigBitz: once more, louder please
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00076519 = 10.4448 BTC [-]
nubbins`: some drink that tastes like llama piss
mircea_popescu: BigBitz nubbins` it's this french champagne made by a bunch of german people.
BigBitz: Ohhh. Llama Piss is sound.
mircea_popescu: i think the most sold or something. it's basically the honda of bubbly. cheap and reliable.
nubbins`: gets you from point a to point b
mircea_popescu: Jason do you know how the mpex bots work ? or assbot's quotes ?
Jason: mircea_popescu: unsure about mpex bots. assbot's quote is probably just a standard supybot module, right?
Jason: so basically it just looks through logs, sends it over to dpaste?
Jason: looks through the last x lines, includes them in a dpaste
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
Jason: mircea_popescu: unauthorized sig?
mircea_popescu: well it's not supposed to say that, i musta fucked something up.
Jason: what should have happened?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the idea being : i sign a document, send it to your bot this way, the bot includes the document if it qualifies in the list of documents.
Jason: mircea_popescu: how do i determine whether it qualifies?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol turns out i used a cached command with the old signature.
Jason: whether i can verify the signature?
mircea_popescu: Jason no, whether the signature is in assbot's l2 wot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00076795 = 31.7547 BTC [+] {3}
empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!
empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!
Jason: so i'm still not entirely sure what i just saw happen. you sent it a pgp message, and it responded with a different pgp message.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) hQIMA/tsnDpeq - Pastebin.com
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1 hQIMA8bZzs4WuOMuAQ//Ubt51b+eFkRkU - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: weird, mpex.ws isn't recognizing my public key
mircea_popescu: Jason it put it into mpex and piped back out whatever mpex responded
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're prolly not using the new key. see faq.
nubbins`: haven't tried since the downtime
Jason: mircea_popescu: so how is this relevant to what I was going to do? i'd look for those gpg messages, and hash them?
mircea_popescu: Jason let me go into detail here build you a full model so you understand better.
gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW
Jason: BingoBoingo: you must just like my cloak
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mircea_popescu: so, the idea is to maintain a corpus of documents, much like deed registrars work irl. you register a document, it becomes part of a record others can review. permanently.
Jason: mircea_popescu: so i receive data, and i store it in a database.
BingoBoingo: Jason: Of course you can also PM assbutt nao and voice yourself just send it !up
Jason: BingoBoingo: i already did
mircea_popescu: so now, lettuce continue on teh premise jason is with me so far.
Jason: mircea_popescu: just reiterating it as i understand it. go on!
mircea_popescu: the introduction of new deeds in the system can happen at two points :
mircea_popescu: one of them is an irc bot, active here. someone goes !add pastebin/blabla
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the other one of them is through a form on a website, at deeds.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: once these are acquired, some processing is done, as follows :
mircea_popescu: 1. each is chcked for valid signatures from people in assbot's l2 wot. if these are absent, the thing is discarded.
Jason: !up RagnarDanneskjol
mircea_popescu: 2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7685 @ 0.0007645 = 5.8752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: once this event happens, the irc bot reports here "5 documents signed, hash included on block #x"
mircea_popescu: all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.
nubbins`: but this doesn't explain why mpex is still saying to email my public key!
Jason: mircea_popescu: got it. what format can i expect new deeds to be in? pgp clearsigned? pgp encrypted?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu but we all know what happens when we assume D;
mircea_popescu: they can not be encrypred, the point is publication. armored clearsigned is fine
Jason: ok, and how do I find the keys for its l2 WOT?
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that.
Jason: yeah, was just thinking that.
assbot: TJ clearsign - Pastebin.com
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
Jason: RagnarDanneskjol: see if you can find me the python. php is not my thing :-)
mircea_popescu: Jason " and append it to a string which is hashed every 512 seconds." << no, old things already included in the block you don't keep around anymore
Jason: mircea_popescu: aha. so when i hash it, i also reset the string.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that. < i guess you mean this part, here you go: if($level1 > 0 || $level2 > 0 )
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.0145 = 0.7975 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.01442889 = 1.7748 BTC [-] {6}
RagnarDanneskjol: i think Telegraphy gets too complicado with the blockchain parsing bit. this is a much simpler proposition
ascii_at_beach: imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in
nubbins`: i saw this guy and his mother walking down the street last week
ascii_at_beach: NameCoin << sounds like a problem for the one blockchain that's actually alive...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01402 = 0.8412 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: nmc is alive in a sense that is being [merged] mined
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01402 = 0.9814 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Namecoin has some serious hashpower behind it because of merged mining, and It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't
ascii_at_beach: 'alive' also requires, e.g., that people would notice right away if it began to rot in some way
ascii_at_beach: BingoBoingo: It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't << you can stuff arbitrary octets in the blockchain. it will simply cost you.
ascii_at_beach: as described in my 'telegraphy' piece, or five other ways
kakobrekla: my dead planet concern is being ignored :(
ascii_at_beach: i suggest this as solution to mircea_popescu's specs… because! it is expensive. and not despite of
ascii_at_beach: expensive, for a registry of Important Things™ is: good
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: But rot is a healthy state for Fungi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01374999 = 0.66 BTC [-] {9}
ascii_at_beach: imagine what contracts, laws, would read like if every word cost 10k to record
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01372323 = 1.1802 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.0007591 = 54.5793 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_at_beach: more like the language in which orders are issued to submarines, over ultralongwave.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01300002 = 0.65 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01485997 = 1.278 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_at_beach: at any rate, for a registry of Important Things, you want highest cost possible short of making it a null set
ascii_at_beach: or at the very least, hierarchically increasing cost with Importance
ascii_at_beach: so for a contract for purchase of a pig, sha2 hash thereof might be all the telegraphy expenditure it deserves
ascii_at_beach: for selling a planet - entire thing, with concordance and footnotes
ascii_at_beach: a 'bitcent' per octet, i dare say, is a perfectly good balance of things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 71 @ 0.01485 = 1.0544 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 75 @ 0.01488996 = 1.1167 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?!
dignork: ascii_at_beach: I think it would be a network misuse, writing a law on each banknote sounds interesting though.
ascii_at_beach: benefit is not only that you aren't creating yet another db that can be corrupted or lost, but also specifically the expense
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?! << Y not?
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach i'd rather divorce the barrier to entry from the avenue to power than centralise them
mircea_popescu: let the matters of who can speak and who can act be separated.
assbot: Moses' CINCOMPAC SWPAC FUBAR SNAFU
ascii_at_beach likes the idea of system that can be brought into being simply by passing around an index card with some simple rules, for all time
ascii_at_beach: vs. yet another server that can go south - or, to save from this, be mirrored and updated synchronously in some organized way
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach it's more subtle than that : the survival of every document in the set depends on the survival of all the documents in the set.
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking thing that archeologists and historians don't even know they miss it'd be so great if they had.
mircea_popescu: one of those things people don't realise they can even dream of, like getting home to a party of naked disney princesses ready to suvck you off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01488998 = 1.355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30693 @ 0.000745 = 22.8663 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: well, yes. the thing about bitcoin is that while it speaks clearly, teh various experts have no idea what it says.
mircea_popescu: think how the history of the world would have looked if the arab invaders of alexandria thought "you knw what ? if we burn the libary tha will make the coran unreadable"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 115 @ 0.0131 = 1.5065 BTC [-]
ascii_at_beach still favours the recipe of 'bitcoind 0.6 + no more than ten lines of perl' for complete scheme
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 195 @ 0.0131923 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_at_beach does not like the idea of a 'library of alexandria' that has a burnable component
mircea_popescu: the library that can burn and doesn't burn is a better design than the library which can not burn
mircea_popescu: much in the same way cunts are better designs than angels.
ascii_at_beach: well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae'
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: argument is that said destruction is considerably higher bar than an accidental death of a hard disk somewhere
BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae' << Who here isn't a big enough "Fallout" fan they don't plan to have a scale valut replica at BTC pricepoint X
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know what happened to valut people in the intro to fallout 2 ya ?
ascii_at_beach: likewise 'index card plus btcd' is a more compact, and therefore intimately -understandable- system than a software package in the usual sense
ascii_at_beach: it's like rsa. you can communicate it to an educated person in five minutes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, Which is why you don't laze about in the Vault, but become the Van Graffs
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until the Water Chip breaks
BingoBoingo: Or you find yourself in the Brotherhood of steel cult bunker
assbot: ClubOrlov: Obama risks American lives to save the devil worshipers
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BingoBoingo: Yezedis are no more devil worshippers than the Haitians. If they worshipped the right devil as I do ISIS wouldn't be such a threat to them.
BingoBoingo: Evil always finds a way, so one must adopt the most effective evil.
BingoBoingo: Semicolons are an evil tool of that larger evil
assbot: Everyone Has Imposter Syndrome But You
assbot: Michael Brown: Unarmed black teenager shot in Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2681 @ 0.00172001 = 4.6113 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00172 = 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 257 @ 0.0148595 = 3.8189 BTC [+] {6}
nubbins`: from ferguson to greece, fuck the police
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01489996 = 1.2665 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, that's the problem with usians, that they don't internalize their accomplishments
nubbins`: i always thought it was just smart people who suffered from this syndrome
nubbins`: idiots don't think they're frauds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re the other item : actually disarming the us police may be a good idea.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, I'm thinking the two pieces are connected
nubbins`: why does western media keep talking about how hamas "siezed power" or "took over" gaza in 2006?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01490085 = 1.2368 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Because they are afraid to say Obama did they same thing when he won an election too
ascii_at_beach: 'good news' - the u.s. police will be disarmed; 'bad news' - by u.s. brownshirt corps.
BingoBoingo: The problem with Pidgins is when you leave them all you have is nonsense a la US - Levant news
nubbins`: it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election << Shhh don't let Obama read the lawgs his election wasn't internationally monitored
mircea_popescu: if the ira ever got elected to be kings of ireland, it'd still have been "ira seized power in ireland"
nubbins`: that's redefining the word seized
nubbins`: if i mail you a t-shirt, you haven't seized my clothing
mircea_popescu: no, but if i come with a tank into your house, i seized the wife
BingoBoingo: Still North St Louis county is going to have less shooting deaths this weekend than Chiraq
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know i can't see that and not think chirac
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And we come to yet another problem of Pidgins, every word seems to look like people's names
nubbins`: suppose two people with tanks show up and 44% of my wife decide to go with you but 41% of my wife decide to go with the other tank, while the remaining 15% goes with various other individuals carrying small arms
BingoBoingo: Incel Brazlovik probably lead a pogrom back in the day
nubbins`: analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;(
nubbins`: oh and the other tank had kittens or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 295 @ 0.00432507 = 1.2759 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;( << and sometimes, they stretch the wife.
nubbins`: she was in the kitten tank first
nubbins`: then said "hey mp's tank seems ok"
nubbins`: ;;google sometimes i don't understand the world i live in or what goes on in it
nubbins`: “Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.”
assbot: The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: To sodomize Wittgenstein If a lion could speak would you understand it, how then could idiots understand each other
nubbins`: lion bares fangs, you know enough to fuck off
nubbins`: this is roughly how idiots communicate, in a rudimentary fashion
nubbins`: no precision or nuance, sure, but what use would the idiot have for such things?
nubbins`: nuance isn't a prerequisite for buying a case of beer
nubbins`: clarity is not required to smoke a cigarette and shout at one's family
kakobrekla: hm, that cold dildo storage guy intents to 'crowdfund' and patent it.
nubbins`: actually, that second link from above is a real drag
assbot: Why would someone have no friends? : The Friendship Blog
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did dildo guy update recently?
kyuupichan: Who goes in and out of mining Altcoin causing such difficulty volatility?
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: People with ASICs too shitty for BTC mining
mircea_popescu: maybe some dood who figures he will thus therefore "destroy it" ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01495667 = 1.2863 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 929 @ 0.00180269 = 1.6747 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: someone needs to explain all this anticolonialist derpage to me sometime.
mircea_popescu: seems that in no historical case has colonisation been a net negaitive for the colonised, starting with caesar's germania
mircea_popescu: seems that in no case has de-colonisation been successful at even matching the colonial performance.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe I'll blog it once I get done with blogging the NFL problem which will tie into it
peterl: does US count as de-colonised after independence?
assbot: Come see me clutching at straws pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: peterl the south was definitely colonised in the mid 1800s
assbot: BBC News - Chatroom rape fantasies woman jailed for six years
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no, i wouldn't say the defeat of the british was any sort of decolonisation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 697 @ 0.00185485 = 1.2928 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: by the very definition that is a metropolis-led process.
kyuupichan: Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, "with the nonsensical approach that all people are equal we're discovering that the expense of maintaining a colonial empire exceeds the benefits and so we will pretend that we're leaving out of respect for the locals"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the locals collapse back to their pre-civilisation bullshit, with more or less pronounced cargo cults.
BingoBoingo: peterl> does US count as de-colonised after independence? << British recolonized the US in 1941 and every James bond film release
BingoBoingo: <kyuupichan> Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems We better get some long blocks
gribble: Current Blocks: 314995 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1516 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23632286082.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.78059
kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait
BingoBoingo: Anyone who missed the gmaxwell drama yesterday:
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning.
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> I will be forced to negative rate you just to note that fact if you do not.
gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Sat Aug 9 17:15:40 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety.
TheNewDeal: I'm pissed at the hash increase as well bb
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm mostly pissed it cam right after the last diff change
BingoBoingo: Like Imms find Bitfury and give them a Buttfury
TheNewDeal: i just bet no on the 21b last change, looks like its not gonna pay out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00179001 = 0.895 BTC [-]
ascii_at_beach: either this, or chumps are 'renewable resource' to the extent that we should literally stoke furnaces with them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17264 @ 0.00074729 = 12.9012 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ascii_at_beach: I'm leaning towards getting some large stainless steel pots
mircea_popescu: "sentiment of bitcoiners seems quite negative against ethereum. people fear what they don't understand, I guess. Or maybe it's envy these guys are being swamped with coins. btw: not saying ETH is a good investment, I have strong doubts. Ethereum being successful does not necessaril imply ETH will be valuable.
mircea_popescu: also: I'm not endorsing ethereum, I just think it's highly interesting, mainly from a technical perspective and for the implications it might have (which I can't yet fully imagine). Unsure who's really behind it, either, and what the larger plan is there..."
mircea_popescu: typical forum idiocy, but the guy sprouting it has been "involved" with bitcoin since 2011ish.
mircea_popescu: if someone can make sense of that crap or reduce it to some sort of coherent position i'd be more than happy to ehar.
kyuupichan: And we're 1 block shy of half way to the next reward halving....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.015105 = 0.6797 BTC [+] {3}
kyuupichan: Yeah. We've gained 3.5 months over those 105k blocks. I doubt we'll gain more than 2 weeks over the next 105k.
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit.
kyuupichan: BingoBoingo: Would do, but max bet is 1 yr!
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach keyboard still has a fixed number of keys :D
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Where are the hormone producing components of your genitals, go bold!
BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Also what was that bs with confirming with the onename,io bullshit
kyuupichan: Diff will still grow, but it'll reduce too, and the reductions hurt more than the growths help. Once diff stabilizes BTC will actually have a cycle of less than 2 weeks, perhaps 2 weeks and 4/5 hours on average, owing to volatility and convexity working against it.
thestringpuller: that's always been the case sense the first ASICs started coming online
BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit << ascii_at_beach any guesses on how many "complete" fingers grandpa has?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.01683076 = 0.6564 BTC [+] {9}
kyuupichan: It's out, KnCMiner mined it apparently
BingoBoingo: Seriously what does onename.io work with other tha grossly insufficient entropy wallet
kyuupichan: Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets
kyuupichan: Lots lost their URLs IIRC; bound to continue.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan> Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets <<< this.
mircea_popescu: "surprised that after the guillotine fiasco, people are still sticking their penis in random bathroom stall holes"
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: okay, so a cop car has been parked next door with the engine idling for TWENTY HOURS now
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: MI6 is going to do you like moiety!!!
nubbins`: i asked the cop wtf he was doing at the 6-hour mark
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 100k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 187
BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296 Answer for your ipv6 sins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00074729 = 23.3154 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.12, Best ask: 590.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 590.99, 24 hour volume: 3302.33840352, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00074748 = 0.7475 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu I'm going to let the .org/.net domains expire. is it ok if I leave contact information as is?
Jason: mircea_popescu: hey hey - going to start looking in to your proj
Jason: mircea_popescu: had a q?: you said a new deed in the system can enter on a form @ deeds.bitcoin-assets.com.
Jason: mircea_popescu: who is going to create the form?
Jason: mircea_popescu: but deeds.bcassets.com already exists. ... ah
Jason: mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no big deal with the form really. just wanted to know if you already had something in place since deeds. existed
TheNewDeal: hey, bitcoin-financial ended in a bitcoin heist. Who knows what can happen with bitcoin-financials!!
Jason: mircea_popescu: oh, looks like you just have a catchall
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
Jason: i totally suck at ui - is a barebones form ok?
Jason: 00:54:22 <+mircea_popescu> all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.
Jason: "ordered by the blocks" - in what order? old to newest?
Jason: just trying to make sure i have everything in order
mircea_popescu: seeing how if you do that you get a mysql free into the mix
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Jason: mircea_popescu: ugh wp is a pain. i was just going to either use a flatfile db or sqlite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1300 @ 0.0017933 = 2.3313 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what approach do you favour here, more like a. writing a supybot module for assbot and ready code to be run on the current server or more like b. running your own server with your own supybot etc ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00176277 = 0.7051 BTC [-] {4}
Jason: i'd obv have my own supybot for testing and development - i see no real reason as to run my own bot in production though
RagnarsDog: Is assbot source somewhere he can see it?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e
kakobrekla: you make the form on the post ill make assbot post to the form
Jason: kakobrekla: easy enough
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e << What will lampelina allow?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074748 = 5.4566 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.01479022 = 0.5029 BTC [-] {2}
Jason: mircea_popescu: how can I check if someone's in assbot's l2 wot? it doesn't look like b-otc.com has a method of doing this, and keeping/syncing a local db is silly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe she finds him in bed with like two goats and a snail gets angry and buries an axe into his skull
mircea_popescu: Jason that's actually a good q. kakobrekla how does assbot do it ?
mircea_popescu: Jason one direct way would be to take the sig in question and check if there's an assbot rating on it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you know that would trigger jealousy and not arousal?
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: auth, bcauth, bcregister, bcverify, changeaddress, changekey, eauth, echangekey, eregister, everify, ident, info, register, stats, unauth, and verify
Jason: ;;gpg info EE6880F512F5590F
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
gribble: I have 25 registered users with 34 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
Jason: i don't think you can even do that
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suppose if worst comes to worst assbot can offer this as a function ? seeing how it already knows anyway ?
gribble: Error: "isl2" is not a valid command.
gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)
Jason: ;;list RatingSystem
gribble: deleteuser, getrating, gettrust, rate, rated, and unrate
Jason: i'm just going to need to use the db
Jason: 04:11:48 <+thestringpuller> Is there a raw db for WoT?
Jason: thestringpuller: i'm going to be using the db
Jason: that's how i'm going to do it
assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today
thestringpuller: I'm trying to make a visualizer for the WoT for fun to get my d3 skills better
thestringpuller: I pinged nanotube awhile ago in otc but I guess I should have asked here first for the db
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00075038 = 5.3119 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, good wot visualisation tools, especially assbot centric, are a good thing.
assbot: Four Ways to Slice Obamas 2013 Budget Proposal - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com
peterl: which is better, DSA or RSA key?
assbot: security - What is better for GPG keys - RSA or DSA? - Super User
Jason: peterl: tl;dr: i'd pick rsa. dsa has some hash weaknesses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00074673 = 5.3152 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: an official announcement of launch date will be sufficient for closure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00074521 = 36.0682 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: everyone on like eastern time now? Where are the austrailians and azns?
assbot: Know The Enemy And Know Yourself | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: lol why are you in such a hurry. it takes like an hour
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey aren't nonpareils those little candy things on cakes ?
pete_dushenski: ever since i moved to the new website, it's been taking fo eva
cazalla: thestringpuller, not sure there are any other aussies besides Vexual and myself
cazalla: i guess there is Graet as well but he defaults on loans so.
pete_dushenski: i thought most of the ozzies preyed on coindeskers and redditards
assbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
gribble: You have not yet rated user graet
mircea_popescu: so basically what happened, ukto dragged him into teh swamp or what
fluffypony: well Graet is around, idle 2 minutes 48 seconds
cazalla: thestringpuller, bitfunder + price rise fucked him i guess
mircea_popescu: cazalla used to run a decent pool maybe a year or so ago. anything come of that ?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: so since that's never happening, our collective hopes and dreams now dashed, were you still planning to be back in europe in a few weeks?
thestringpuller: i think slush is the only mining pool that is still legit from "back in the day"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i used it for a while until payouts slowed down and then were being claimed as paid out yet were not even unconfirmed
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: my wife's had to go back a few days ago, her grandfather is in hospital and it looks like it's "last legs" stage, so depends on what happens there
mircea_popescu: ;;rate graet -1 old timer and historically reasonable, but there's ~1k in unserviced debts and some nasty allegations re weexchange floating around.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user graet has been recorded.
fluffypony: yeah it's a tough one, but he is also getting on, so it's time I suppose
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine with him in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user slush has been recorded.
thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine in his pool in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT, seems legit.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user slush has changed from 1 to 1.
gribble: You have not yet rated user slush
mircea_popescu: i rated him back in 2012, when the linode hack made bitcoinica go belly up and he was also affected
pete_dushenski: well fluffypony should you be in the baltic area towards the end of the month, you'll know who to call for lunch :)
assbot: Autonomous Scientifically Controlled Screening Systems for Detecting Information Purposely Concealed by Individuals by Nathan Twyman, Paul Benjamin Lowry, Judee K. Burgoon, Jay F. Nunamaker :: SSRN
pete_dushenski: sounds exactly like asciilifeform's rectothermal analysis
thestringpuller: how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ?
pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol afaik, an idea wherein the big bad man shakes you down for your private keys no matter where you store them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.000745 = 22.5363 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co?
fluffypony: yep - or the so-called "pipe wrench attack"
fluffypony: where someone beats you with a pipe wrench till you give them your privkeys or password or whatever
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i can't register for van the request is still going but it looks like it's gonna time out...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00074856 = 4.5288 BTC [+]
cazalla: pete_dushenski, an INTP eh, i'm an INFP according to that test
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins
cazalla: pete_dushenski, supposedly but i think it's bullshit
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated." << lulz
cazalla: that article leads me to believe you have the secret under your pillow btw :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.000745 = 24.3243 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "INFPs are usually talented writers." << so cazalla, where's your blog?
cazalla: i stopped when the adsense monies ceased to flow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 169 @ 0.02523161 = 4.2641 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.014791 = 2.4997 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: cazalla: then there's never been a better time to get back on the horse
pete_dushenski: van-ads is going to do for blog advertising what that bald dude did for dishsoap
cazalla: pete_dushenski, there is nothing i could write that would be of any interest to anyone here and in the past it was about quantity, quality wasn't even a consideration (until google decided it was)
kyuupichan: kakobrekla: Why have 2 new bets gone straight into closed state? Some bitbet code update bug? I assume you're aware....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.000745 = 2.1605 BTC [-]
khersonus: mircea_popescu: indeed, and from what I can tell, you don't self censor all that much. But somehow I don't picture you as selfless.
thestringpuller: +pete_dushenski> ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins << you're a bully
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.000745 = 23.4675 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ? << from what i've seen 30 seconds
khersonus: khersonus: you mentioned self censorship works towards the interest of the individual. So, lack of self censorship should do the opposite. You don't seem to self censor much, so, you're looking out for the interests of us all?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co? << just being an asshole lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38272 @ 0.00074436 = 28.4881 BTC [-] {3}
khersonus: "self censorship rarely if always works towards the interest of the individuala" maybe you meant to say "rarely if never"?
khersonus: one of the benefits of this +v thing is that we can tell people have been auth'd, right? but you can get +v if someone else !up's you, right?
assbot: Seinfeld: Kramer - Cooking Jewish Delicacies [HQ] - YouTube
khersonus: then it's not clear if you're auth'd or not
gribble: Nick 'khersonus', with hostmask 'khersonus!~kher@ip-69-172-229-134.chunkhost.com', is identified as user 'khersonus', with GPG key id 06A6FE4336524BF8, key fingerprint C467B1F51C3F093E702D69AC06A6FE4336524BF8, and bitcoin address None
khersonus: yes, but you can't if you're looking through the logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074428 = 14.5507 BTC [-] {2}
khersonus: what's the reason for mpex.co being down for so long?
khersonus: punkman: oh, cool, didn't know that existed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00074856 = 3.1252 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: what did she do, use the mop on the servers?
assbot: Tall Goddess Severa comparison - YouTube
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00074991 = 13.6109 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00075013 = 11.696 BTC [+]
assbot: How does the financial system work - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00075064 = 23.6452 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, those guys have been around for years on au tv, pretty funny
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.45, Best ask: 587.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 587.45, 24 hour volume: 3329.03181055, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
Vexual: looks like someones buying up surplus nuclear gigawattage
xmj: Vexual: the swiss have perfected this sport.
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23704564296.8 based on data since last change | 24244343363.7 based on data for last three days
xmj: buy from france germany and italy when GWh are cheap; pump up water to their reservoirs; sell water-powered "green" energy when the price is high.
xmj: nuclear-fueled green energy!
xmj: Vexual: it's a very simple tempospatial arbitrage strategy. <3
Vexual: nuclear is pretty fuckin green anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074933 = 8.0178 BTC [-]
pankkake: well, ze germans replaced nuclear by… coal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00074916 = 3.0139 BTC [-]
Vexual: theres no reason they can't take their shirt off in a nuclear plant
xmj: i've spoken to Christian Lindner, three weeks before Fukushima, in some FDP event in Frankfurt.
xmj: to the question why everone else is building nukes around german boarders and we aren't he (in some convoluted answer) replied that "we couldn't get this through parliament and run through the population."
Vexual: particular about the steam
xmj: of course it is, most nukes runs off steam
xmj: sodium powered "fast breeders" are really really rare
Vexual: and if you're pumping seawter anyway, you can pipe some thru a membrane and get freshwater
assbot: Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
xmj: As of 2006, all large-scale fast breeder reactor (FBR) power stations have been liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBR) cooled by liquid sodium. These have been of one of two designs:[1]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1109 BTC. Current weight: 99,936.
Vexual: it makes different charcoal? and everyone has one?
Vexual: noone ever learned to cut fugu with their mouth closed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074916 = 5.9933 BTC [-]
Vexual: airconditioners stoves and televisions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27176 @ 0.000751 = 20.4092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: wyrdmantis +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how...
Vexual: what do you have o say you odd shaped freak?
Vexual: not you nubs, you look normal, i was talking to the mantis
wyrdmantis: i'm confused, i've registered my gpg... now?
Vexual: what are you trying to do mantis?
wyrdmantis: i'm trying to understand how to get trust
Vexual: what u need trust for?
wyrdmantis: i don't "need"... i'm just trying to understand what all this WoT is about, to get in contact with you "strong" bitcoiners :)
wyrdmantis: what do you do with your trust Vexual?
Vexual: but bitcoin is a thing, and i might need it
assbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
wyrdmantis: so... here i could get... a loan in bitcoin for example?
wyrdmantis: at least now i'm registered with gribble :D
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: yeah, first is to improve my rating, i'm a trader, i've got many loans on btcjam
Vexual: vut you're talking about corruption
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust
nubbins`: that's fine in the fiat, aka fake bitcoin ($, €, etc), world
nubbins`: a better way to gain trust is to perform actions that cause others to trust you
nubbins`: this is an impossibly open answer, i know
nubbins`: suppose a stranger approached you on the street and asked for a loan of $20 for one week. you said sure, gave him the $20, a week later he finds you and pays you back.
nubbins`: do you trust them enough to loan them another $20? $100? $1000?
Vexual: link your btcjam thing
nubbins`: personally, i don't trust people who take loans at all
nubbins`: others may have different criteria
punkman: btcjam works for the people building reputation until they can walk out with a bigger loan
Vexual: yeah i wouldn't touch it with dub's dick
assbot: Business (Loan listing #18263) - BTCJam
wyrdmantis: i understand punkman, but this don't preclude honest people to do things right
Vexual: pankakke, who said odd shaped freak?
punkman: wyrdmantis: sure, until cryptostocks or havelol blow up
wyrdmantis: but forget btcjam, i'm not here for it, i'm here to learn
wyrdmantis: my same fears punkman... that's one the reasons i'm here
punkman: wyrdmantis: do you have some btc reserve for when that happens?
Vexual: then give me a fuckin loan
wyrdmantis: i think i'm going to stop and change stategy
punkman: wyrdmantis: that might be prudent
punkman: ;;rate wyrdmantis 1 #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wyrdmantis has been recorded.
punkman: wyrdmantis: you can now /msg assbot !up
wyrdmantis: i feel like a bug over the enciclopedya britannica
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (35%) on Yes, 14.04 B (65%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 26`406 (100`000 to 1)
wyrdmantis: i have to disconnect now... see you later . Thanks for your patience.
Vexual: has it got a sexy splash?
Vexual: with go fast s tripes?
Vexual: yo mr hunt, ruby brought you coffee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074791 = 23.6714 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00075125 = 32.6043 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: someone is really hitting swurches
assbot: Consider this my official return to the sub :) : dogecoin
cazalla: looks like palmer came back to /r/dogecoin.. to slang that stellar i bet
pankkake: I want to sell my free stellar but most exchanges look annoying
Vexual: yo punkman, you got a mercator projection in ascii?
cazalla: Vexual, the dogecoin creator/marketer
Vexual: how does one obtain stealler?
Vexual: or coins on the real chain at some point in the future?
cazalla: don't have facebook, i was gonna use missus account but figured stellar would post shit all over her wall
Vexual: shall we do an experiemnt pankkake?
Vexual: i think bitcoin 2.0 is better served with bitcoin 1.0
pankkake: it doesn't, I used another account too
pankkake: they use it to avoid farming I guess
pankkake: but you could fool it with fake accounts with fake friends
Vexual: yes, its more an adoption technique than anything
Vexual: altcoin with X is still an altcoin
punkman: pankkake: what's the price of stellar on the exchanges?
assbot: Stellar (STR) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
Vexual: how much bc for a facebook?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24339 @ 0.00075165 = 18.2944 BTC [+]
punkman: vexual, facebook account costs about $0.05
Vexual: how much in stardust today?
Vexual: one can already make a contract wit bitcoin
assbot: Ripple Stellar how did we get here? - General Discussion - XRPtalk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00075168 = 11.2 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: ;;google mommy and me are animals
nubbins`: ;;google jonathan meese mommy and me are animals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32371 @ 0.00074851 = 24.23 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm
Vexual: thats enough to change currents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074443 = 13.772 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: wow, glad i don't live in ferguson, mo
wyrdmantis: hoy hoy so i have to do the everify thing every time i log in?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074394 = 10.1176 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: i assumed you were chinese
nubbins`: besides, pgp is useful. you'll be glad you learned
chetty: changing pgp keys is messy, make a good one to start with
wyrdmantis: lol no i'm italian... we have been invaded by chinese instead... they're buying and opening shops everywhere
nubbins`: you can, but yeah... what chetty said
nubbins`: opt for maximum strength, save yourself a hassle down the road
nubbins`: wyrdmantis: why don't italians buy the shops?
Vexual: they do, it's only on paper
wyrdmantis: i think chinese don't pay taxes like italians have to do
wyrdmantis: aahaha not everyone but the majority yes
chetty: the gov everywhere raising taxes is good, people are using their heads to find alternatives
chetty: and thinking is good for everyone
wyrdmantis: also, almost everyone pays less respect what he should
wyrdmantis: so it's too late? the pgp i've created is fucking short
punkman: wyrdmantis: you mean you have a short password for it?
chetty: you havent registered it yet?
Vexual: i like people that get different stats than me
nubbins`: mine's in the neighbourhood of 100 characters
punkman: wyrdmantis: ideally you'd want to make keys on an airgapped machine
pankkake: nubbins`: is it buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts ?
nubbins`: a small padlock is enough for my shed; a u-lock is enough for my bike; a deadbold and handle lock is enough for my home; a safety deposit box is enough for my valuables
nubbins`: "enough" depends on how you plan to use a given thing
nubbins`: pankkake: yes but i change the As to 4s and the Es to 3s
nubbins`: he means a machine that never has and never will connect to the internet :D
nubbins`: again, your level of paranoia should be commensurate to your desired level of security
chetty: if its so complicated you wind up cutting corners, its bad
wyrdmantis: they can't stole my btc with my pgp key, so i fell safe for now
fluffypony: I just stumbled across an old Satoshi post on Bitcointalk
assbot: JSON-RPC method idea: list transactions newer than a given txid
fluffypony: he basically says that you should never rely on the details of a transaction as a developer
fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks
fluffypony: "Programmers are naturally inclined to want to use listtransactions like this: feed me the new transactions since I last asked, and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them. This will seem to work in all regular use, but if you use the amounts for anything, it is highly exploitable"
Vexual: the genreal thing is to ask .info
chetty: what you think devs read history? Its right in there with reading the manual
fluffypony: of course, mtgox got hit the other way round, but it's still pretty funny
fluffypony: chetty: yeah, but it just goes to show eh
chetty: present company excpted of course
Vexual: i don't like drunk satoshi
Vexual: repeating transactions ad finitum
Vexual: i guess theres a reason to not have the real client reported
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23452248634.0 based on data since last change | 24186371906.8 based on data for last three days
Vexual: thats not how you play frogger
chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ‘normal’ we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?
nubbins`: that's what daniel quinn asked :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 89 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2456 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01482559 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: BitBet - URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closed 11 hours 19 minutes ago
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1768652.91 in 599 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 276.67
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6681.44 GH/s
pankkake: "String of blocks will reject payments lower than 0.0001 BTC before the end of December 2014" the guy almost had it right, I'm submitting a better bet even though I don't really see the point :p
nubbins`: for the good of the project, that's the point!
pankkake: he made it about devs policy, it should be about policy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19680 @ 0.00074353 = 14.6327 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Timeline Correlation: Jeremy Hammond and Anarchaos
[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September"
http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 74.33365572 BTC. Current weight: 16,530.
chetty: The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074587 = 19.3926 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.266 = 1.862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00074846 = 10.0997 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 189 Ask: 250 Last Price: 187 24h-Vol: 345k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
mike_c: ;;later tell punkman thanks, fixed. warp speed mining caused an issue.
BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, WoL hasn't been around long enough to experience the full possible speed of ATC mining
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1780729.41 in 557 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.24
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.0007432 = 8.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074251 = 13.8107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.66538592 BTC to 13`068 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 14.30585072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1244 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14271 @ 0.00074229 = 10.5932 BTC [-] {2}
Pumped: whats happening folks?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.91, Best ask: 587.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 587.96, 24 hour volume: 2619.03081782, 24 hour low: 584.71, 24 hour high: 591.94, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25901 shares, 1.26 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007422 / 0.00075233 / 0.0007749 (979066 shares, 736.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0007422 / 0.00085072 / 0.00094217 (5097763 shares, 4,336.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0007422 / 0.00082499 / 0.00094217 (11932071 shares, 9,843.94 BTC)
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
BingoBoingo: lol "As old hardware becomes dated and unprofitable to run, it really piles up. There’s retired old Avalon machines all over the place."
TomServo: I liked: not “socialism-for-banks-but-we’ll-call-it-capitalism-anyways”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.015044 = 1.038 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775259.29 in 526 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.08
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.015044 = 0.6318 BTC [-]
atcbot: 722@279 8k@260 17k@250 | 39k@190 22k@189 100k@188
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12533 @ 0.00074486 = 9.3353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35485 @ 0.00074995 = 26.612 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: 'Instead of leaning in, I leaned out': why women still need feminism | Money | theguardian.com
chetty: We didn’t have the right to credit cards in our own names until 1974
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21602 @ 0.00075137 = 16.2311 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 315101 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1410 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 0 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23741241005.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.33283
assbot: New York brokerage CEO criminally charged with obstructing SEC| Reuters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6140 @ 0.00075169 = 4.6154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00074919 = 10.0766 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.01490027 = 1.639 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "The farm employs three people whose job it is to monitor the machinery and make sure that all the machines are working properly. They work around the clock, in three shifts, and do a walkabout of the floor once per hour to check everything. The guys live here mostly full time, going home for 4 or 5 days once a month. They sleep on the premises."
punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there
punkman: oh and "Despite the massive and powerful air current created by these massive industrial fans, the inside of the mining farm still manages to hold steady at 40° Celsius (105° f) the entire time."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71369 @ 0.00074828 = 53.404 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 540 @ 0.00187069 = 1.0102 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: ethereum blog | Ether Sale: A Statistical Overview
bats_cd03: 'Thus, the fact that the majority of purchases occurred at the end shows that ether purchasers are generally a rather sophisticated audience – which I suppose you should be if you managed to be convinced to trade your hard-earned BTC for some cryptographic tokens backed by a concept of “generalized consensus computing”.'
punkman: "As a final set of interesting statistics, we have calculated three Gini indices"
punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop?
kakobrekla: chumpatron needs recharge time for each money bomb
punkman: "The intent is to withdraw 4150 BTC from our exodus address within the next 48 hours."
punkman: " 2650 BTC will be distributed to pay for loans for prior expenses" ' “we” will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat '
punkman: "note that the distribution of the endowment is quasi-public; although names of all individuals are not published (though everyone is free to disclose their own portion voluntarily"
mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 2650
punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000"
punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards"
punkman: "This transparency is top notch."
assbot: Water and air are all you need to make one of worlds most important chemicals | Ars Technica
danielpbarron: "..ETH as being the token with the 8th highest total value.." << non-existent token has value?
danielpbarron: kinda like how some mystics sell hope to grieving loved-ones
nubbins`: TRANSPARENT+++++++ Would see through again
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775635.45 in 463 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.16
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074371 = 7.5858 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074214 = 2.783 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Stevie Wonder - Superstition (C2C Remix) by C2C on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
nubbins`: sold some casascius coins today, supper's on me tonight ;p
bats_cd03: do i have to give it up afterwards
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been having similat troubles retrieving my otp
kakobrekla: btw what happened with the bitcoin posters taht were suppose to be printed?
nubbins`: they're in the queue, and are still supposed to be printed :D
☟︎ nubbins`: had an epiphany regarding the design a couple hours ago actually
assbot: Crazy Asian Mother by Erick Liang - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0104667 = 1.0467 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: and here I was gonna auth with gribble :D
the20year: i actually did it myself this time :D
assbot: the20year +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: ;;rate the20year 1 Going long on Ohio is prolly stupid but hasn't run away yet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user the20year has been recorded.
the20year: I don't know what i did to pankakke to PO him, this FUD thing dropped share prices pretty signfiicantly and added pretty major volatility to the stock
assbot: State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police | The Free Thought Project
the20year: Yeah, supposedly the state got sued by the FOP and they may strike it down, although the supreme court decision was a re-affirmation of basic self defense laws, and against the police idemnity laws
the20year: It's really a solid explanation of IN self defense laws and prevents immunity of anyone
the20year: Well, doesn't give immunity to any one regardless of position
BingoBoingo: Well when these things get litigated in shows where people stand
the20year: This is all of course from that case of the guy shooting police who were shooting him in the botched drug raid, the guy in the end i think was no-billed
assbot: Game 25 - Death 5611 Life 4389 Year 290 - War of Life
mike_c: get your bets in quick. fricking ATC miners are going nuts.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1773215.83 in 449 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 277.64
bats_cd03: i might bring a miner online after diff change...
atcbot: 0 minutes and 56 seconds
mike_c: i'm going to write a blog post on the last BTC game soon. it was interesting to me that more of the free money didn't get picked up, although TheNewDeal did grab some.
kakobrekla: mebbe someone figured one there is mk depth to be exploited
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well next month will probably be different
kakobrekla: bb im not implying anything but observing
bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos
BingoBoingo: Yeah, diff drop changed a lot, but... Asks are still up or consumed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0789 BTC [+]
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6941.43 GH/s
the20year: Alot of things can behave like asbestos
the20year: There's absolutely nothing special about asbestos other than the fact that some types atomize very easily
xmj: people that seem smart and seem to understand a lot
xmj: as soon as you enter into a professional mode with them
xmj: don't understand shit and imply meaning where there isn't any
mike_c: if by professional you mean they understand business, that does not correlate with intelligence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.0007404 = 30.0602 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00073936 = 8.8354 BTC [-]
xmj: not enough data to judge anything
mike_c: i have enough for my satisfication. there are lots of smart people that don't know (or care to know) anything about conducting business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.02523161 = 1.3877 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 65 @ 0.01505999 = 0.9789 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: this would include most engineers actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0109591 = 1.0959 BTC [+] {8}
xmj: mike_c: maybe so, and it's not the issue im referring to
xmj: switch positions/contexts and people start sucking at comms.
mike_c: k, guess i'm not following then :) seems if you switch to a context they know little about they might sucking at comms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 64 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 61 @ 0.01478954 = 0.9022 BTC [-]
chetty: some of it is attention span, lots of people seem to ask about something you answered 3 sentences previous
xmj: even when they have the backlog in front of them, over irc.
xmj: sometimes i think I have ADHD. but compared to all these goldfish-short-term-memory people...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 88 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01475764 = 1.3429 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0147 = 0.735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7569 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27034801 = 0.5407 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 73 @ 0.02523161 = 1.8419 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01465 = 1.0695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074114 = 21.6413 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.01, Best ask: 575.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 575.94, 24 hour volume: 5097.20463480, 24 hour low: 574.09, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18513 @ 0.00074183 = 13.7335 BTC [+] {2}
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mircea_popescu: Nike Free Run 5 gluqnxx@gmail.com 220.161.168.249Submitted on 2014/08/11 at 3:51 d.m. "I all the time used to study article The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. in news papers but now as I am a user of internet thus from now I am using net for content, thanks to web."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.0007468 = 11.1953 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01487501 = 0.7438 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00074204 = 7.9287 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10115 @ 0.0007445 = 7.5306 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ?
chetty: what we gonna string core again?
assbot: Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot
nubbins`: "Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators.
nubbins`: i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school
chetty: EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do
mircea_popescu: chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time
nubbins`: a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out
nubbins`: "you get to cum like ten times a shift"
mircea_popescu: paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either.
mircea_popescu: What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu
mircea_popescu: ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble
mircea_popescu: ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques.
mircea_popescu: what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6764 @ 0.00074019 = 5.0066 BTC [-]
nubbins`: lots of wikipedia math articles do that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo.
nubbins`: ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot.
nubbins`: "my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073993 = 2.2198 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ?
mircea_popescu: you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ?
nubbins`: nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0
nubbins`: i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas
nubbins`: it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;(
nubbins`: not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ?
mircea_popescu: maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ?
nubbins`: if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him
mircea_popescu: well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17521 @ 0.00074019 = 12.9689 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem."
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation.
nubbins`: isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool?
nubbins`: i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference.
nubbins`: i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun
nubbins`: oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters
assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes
nubbins`: incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row
mircea_popescu: ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan
mircea_popescu: you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these.
nubbins`: some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle
nubbins`: i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much
nubbins`: else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
nubbins`: tongue won't reach that far up ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs.
assbot: Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch
mircea_popescu: anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum
nubbins`: ah, that explains the bad taste
mircea_popescu: chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs.
mircea_popescu: "any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit".
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782214.48 in 362 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: 12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55
godovo: danke, but I've got nothing to say
godovo: it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are
nubbins`: oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today
nubbins`: overall, not a bad start to the week
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature
mircea_popescu: this is easily explained through this mathematical model.
nubbins`: hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters
nubbins`: i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate
mircea_popescu: what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"
nubbins`: boxed american-style goulash ;D
nubbins`: in my defense i just made goulash from scratch
mircea_popescu: omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).
nubbins`: that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder
mircea_popescu: what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime!
nubbins`: that's not the same thing at fucking all
mircea_popescu: info@optalysys.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<info@optalysys.com>: host mx01.1and1.co.uk [212.227.17.191]: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ?
nubbins`: it doesn't even come with the meat
nubbins`: it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x trilema credit orders a day by now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00073979 = 41.4652 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: yah, i think i started with over 1k
nubbins`: so, thanks for the content, i guess
mircea_popescu: imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.
mircea_popescu: hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books.
nubbins`: i read over 100 books by probably the second grade
nubbins`: no longer a common thing, this
mircea_popescu: for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.
assbot: Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: well, 1 bitcent on trilema is way better value than 10 bux on amzon
nubbins`: oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup
nubbins`: people read books on the fuckin metro
nubbins`: people "checking" their facebook
BigBitz: Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...
BigBitz: mircea_popescu- (~duwnz@cpe-72-191-13-154.satx.res.rr.com) squatting
mircea_popescu: i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books
mircea_popescu: nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord
BigBitz: mircea_popescu Freenode, of course.
BigBitz: He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty.
BigBitz: He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
BigBitz: Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :)
nubbins`: BigBitz, it was like a dollar!
mircea_popescu: they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need trilema.
assbot: [Python] cex-bot clearsign - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
godovo: mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free?
mircea_popescu: godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes.
nubbins`: hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine
godovo: mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes
godovo: mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-]
assbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective.
nubbins`: it takes me several credits worth of time to load trilema through anonymouse
mircea_popescu: that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds.
nubbins`: oh dammit i forgot about the bread
cazalla: that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read trilema.com than 0.01
godovo: cazalla: 0.01 is a lot
nubbins`: that's a pint of ben & jerry's
godovo: not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy coins
BingoBoingo: godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months
mircea_popescu: bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<
mircea_popescu: what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ?
cazalla: i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D
nubbins`: tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc
nubbins`: with "in this day and age!" implied
nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors
mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward.
nubbins`: all those people should already have btc ;(
mircea_popescu: because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever.
mircea_popescu: like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do"
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions
mjr_: was having trouble getting to mpex.co
mjr_: i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: mpex.co hasn't worked for me in ages
mjr_: You don't have permission to access / on this server.
mjr_: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
cazalla: LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P
nubbins`: maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D
godovo: will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value
mjr_: ooh, i seem to have missed a lot
assbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)
xmj: take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please
mjr_: LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope...
nubbins`: so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along
mjr_: i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...
nubbins`: guess that means the death wasn't a homicide
mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it
mjr_: the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...
mjr_: almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 342k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1783050.20 in 336 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.74
mjr_: ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)
mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.
nubbins`: ;;google derps site:Trilema.com
mjr_: personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...
mircea_popescu: mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.
godovo: pete_dushenski: how did it end?
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so
mircea_popescu: no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ?
pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.
mjr_: You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...
mjr_: if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin
mircea_popescu: you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute
mircea_popescu: otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge)
mjr_: nubbins`: thanks for the tip
mjr_: that is what i meant
godovo: mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"?
mircea_popescu: but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any \value
mjr_: i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell
xmj: too bad bitcoin-derivates don't do naked shorts.
mjr_: that is not a good idea
mjr_: but i get your point
godovo: mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.
mjr_: what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea
mjr_: it would make it into bitcoin
godovo: mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then?
mjr_: but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you
mircea_popescu: godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there.
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: you know what i really find funny about Misesians?
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas.
mjr_: so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"
xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it Time and Time again.
mjr_: that is my point mircea_popescu
xmj: Misesians don't understand Human Action
mjr_: IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mircea_popescu: somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.
xmj: mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.
mjr_: hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens
xmj: welcome to #reality, this is not how committees work.
mjr_: there are more than 1 implementation
mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it
mjr_: bitcoind has to follow
xmj: mircea_popescu: "good old productive labor" do you mean dirty menial work?
mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate
assbot: Jerry the Bear Using Bitcoin to Help Children With Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine
xmj: demons isn't where it's at; mining pools.
nubbins`: using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes
mjr_: don't want to get into religion
xmj: mjr_: yes, well, what do you think the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?
xmj: hint: it's not Depressed.
xmj: no no, that's altcoind
mjr_: as in a background process?
mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold
mjr_: either way, people vote with their mining power
xmj: hence 'mining pools' over 'daemons'
mjr_: so when that pool got over 51%
mjr_: bitcoin failed right?
mjr_: oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40
mjr_: so, if things need to change, they change
mjr_: this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2
mjr_: and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick
mjr_: considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months
mjr_: i don't think we have this calcification that you point to
mjr_: the only question is WHICH changes
xmj: py3 vs py2 is not academic either
mjr_: and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument
mjr_: that is 100% academic
mjr_: the creator wants them to use python 3
xmj: most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.
mjr_: even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3
xmj: he can want that all day long :)
mjr_: he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does
xmj: asciilifeform: Thank you for reiterating my point.
mjr_: that is exactly my point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.
mjr_: the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes
mjr_: not some guy at a foundation
mjr_: which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change
mjr_: what are the miners running?
mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.
mjr_: markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum
mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point
mjr_: if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already
pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude
mjr_: there is no need to launch an alt
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.
mjr_: perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted
mjr_: so bitcoin addresses
mjr_: instead of ip addresses
mjr_: i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want
mircea_popescu: i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. <<bring on the muffins!
mjr_: i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run.
mircea_popescu: you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum.
mircea_popescu: there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever.
mjr_: ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses
mjr_: and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before
mircea_popescu: <mjr_> i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this.
mjr_: so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong
mjr_: you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed
mjr_: and perhaps they never will
mjr_: but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added
mjr_: you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed
mjr_: but you also say that no, no features are removed?
mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.
mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets
mjr_: so I notice a difference
mircea_popescu: narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed.
mjr_: that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed
mjr_: and then they didn't
mircea_popescu: if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home.
mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?
mircea_popescu: you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked.
mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
mircea_popescu: same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert.
mjr_: BUT still available to be used
mjr_: have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is
mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede
mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now
mjr_: that will be accepted by the network
mjr_: valid per bitcoin rules
mircea_popescu: luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters.
mjr_: ok, let me try broadcasting one
xmj: you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules
mjr_: and when it is rejected you are right
xmj: mjr_: you wanted someone to tell you that
mjr_: i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist
mjr_: there was a point where you could not do a multisig
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: i don't give a shit how you try to spin that
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.
mjr_: it is an obvious difference
mjr_: ok, that is your personal choice
mjr_: and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules
mircea_popescu: the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter
mjr_: i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed
mircea_popescu: your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.
mjr_: using the blockchain
mjr_: i really don't see how you can say that
mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.
mjr_: unless you mean something different
mircea_popescu: because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ?
mjr_: miners would reject that
mjr_: now they accept that
mjr_: that would be the textbook definition of a change
mjr_: how about a simpler one
mjr_: you couldn't do tx of a certain size before
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
mjr_: i never said you had to care
mjr_: i said that you can use the subset of features
mjr_: and ignore the rest
mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.
mjr_: that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical
mircea_popescu: if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion
mjr_: i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine
mjr_: or are we arguing the defintion of identical
xmj: well, too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me
mjr_: identical means there is no difference
xmj: A works on B doesn't imply B works on A
mjr_: i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes"
xmj: necessary and sufficient conditions, all over
mjr_: may be, but it is a change
mjr_: to say that the color...changed, but there was no change
mjr_: is logically impossible