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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005537 = 12.7905 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "The anger of the base directed at anything: socialism, political correctness, brown people, etc; which they feel is giving them an unfair shake. This demographic also carries a substantial number of people among them who have traits that make them readily victimized for con artists." missing a verb, no idea what's going on at the end and prolly 50% too many words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17749 @ 0.00055717 = 9.8892 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "the word "collectible" is attached the coins" << samne problem. good idea but the writing...
mircea_popescu: "The failure of the GOP and the conservative movement, to the extent one exists in the United States, to police their ranks for con artists like Glenn Beck out to fleece their rank has lead to this." // "The success of sympathy conmen like Glenn Beck or Donald Trump enjoy fleecing the angry-socialist flock makes one wonder whether the GOP even exists in any meaningful sense."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00055711 = 23.0086 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29472 @ 0.00055701 = 16.4162 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4076 @ 0.0005537 = 2.2569 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: Send me some. I'll blow it for you :D
mircea_popescu: not like there's all that much ELSE to do with bitcoin anyway
mircea_popescu: and e stands for eulora. but could also be like in email.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.artizan.1:2e61c9028b68fdb12bbd0e1e5e0c1f076aa4f82140e58aad9c03e4344929e4e7
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mircea_popescu: +5 lbs guaranteed over a week, 96% or more from icecream.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00055158 = 11.7487 BTC [-] {5}
gernika: asciilifeform: cheapair.com seems to still take btc. I bought some tix to europe from them with btc a few years ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00054977 = 15.2286 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20891 @ 0.000549 = 11.4692 BTC [-]
gribble: Current Blocks: 401379 | Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 | Next Difficulty In: 1820 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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ben_vulpes eagerly anticipating mircea_popescu's bitcoin eulogy
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would you limit the number of addresses/coinbases in a pow-for-addr scheme?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10639 @ 0.00055426 = 5.8968 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37261 @ 0.0005496 = 20.4786 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23365 @ 0.00054866 = 12.8194 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00055282 = 23.2184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1QWvD4x )
ben_vulpes: if it's possible to confirm that the contents of `sig` corresponded to the *single* `addr` to which the block subsidy+fees (eg first transaction) pays out, i believe that the addidional `addr` header field could be omitted.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00055282 = 4.2844 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: i think that the above change would necessitate a new genesis block, as i suspect that difficulty is far too high for the hardware capable of hashing as described to generate a single block in any sort of reasonable time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00055128 = 8.5724 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 07:26:07; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would you limit the number of addresses/coinbases in a pow-for-addr scheme?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67029 @ 0.00054915 = 36.809 BTC [-] {5}
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nubbins` went and built a computer from parts
nubbins`: somewhat inexplicably, first time i've done so in my 34 years
nubbins`: sadly, i went for the modern comforts of an i5 (i know)
nubbins`: but it was beterrn that and the 6502 for a while
nubbins`: it's a "work machine", so i'm more concerned about how it runs illustrator than how well it protects the private keys that aren't on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16906 @ 0.00055082 = 9.3122 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: speaking of work, i have a large number of S.NSA t-shirts still taking up space in my basement
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the current lease on floor space expires April 30 2016; property will be considered to be abandoned if arrangements not made by that point
nubbins`: in retrospect, prob pulled the trigger a bit early on ordering tees
nubbins`: alf left the straight path to live the life of the boheme?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0005535 = 11.5405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 465 @ 0.00260635 = 1.212 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00254491 / 0.00257652 / 0.00262899 (1006 shares, 2.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00254491 / 0.00259324 / 0.00262899 (2053 shares, 5.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00272634 / 0.00332476 (10278 shares, 28.02 BTC)
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nubbins`: asciilifeform i thought it was fairly obvious that MP had been divesting since he lost his shirt w/ MPOE?
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: or did you guys just assume that bitbet divs and a vidya game were enough to keep it all together
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00054457 = 59.7121 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 12:59:16; nubbins`: or did you guys just assume that bitbet divs and a vidya game were enough to keep it all together
nubbins`: easily actually a thing that's real too
nubbins`: (what other vs did you expect?!)
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 02:44:42; *: asciilifeform all ears for ideas re: on what to blow a modest (~10kusd) worth of coin while it is still worth something.
nubbins`: yeah, more or less. everyone QQing about the fyootur
nubbins`: lords tossing themselves from the parapets
nubbins`: anguished wails of those who have lost hope
nubbins`: what i'm asking is if toilet paper is a good suggestion, or if a motorcycle is a good suggestion
nubbins`: 's a reaosnable variety of ways one could blow $10k
nubbins`: well your other option is to keep it
nubbins`: buy something with it. oh wait, the seller may convert it to usd.
nubbins`: guess you'll have to un-usefully burn it
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform had nfi >> you recall, we made a t-shirt design, he agreed to print for a very nice rate, ended up storing them for us.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in honesty at this point i see ~0 chance we'll deliver in any sort of human timeframe, or for that matter have any use for 3 to 25 year old tshirts.
mircea_popescu: thanks for your kind help in the matter - feel free to distribute the remaining tees to whosoever you feel like and that'd be that.
nubbins`: understood. thanks for the work!
nubbins`: was not insignificant for our fledgling business at the time
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall how many we ended up distributing, was it like 10% ? 25% ? 1% ?
nubbins`: i think something around 20-30% of them left my hands
mircea_popescu: oh, well then really - this is above industry average.
nubbins`: thestringpuller you're technically still a child at 28
nubbins`: mircea_popescu we've been moving the biz away from textile printing and towards paper/fine art printing
thestringpuller: nubbins`: oh well cool. i guess I'll just wait for the big 3-0
nubbins`: fucking up a t-shirt print = $6 wasted. fucking up a poster = $0.70 wasted
nubbins`: flat stock is something people put on their wall & admire -- see "Imagine a game" bitcoin posters
nubbins`: t-shirt is something people spill mustard on & get cum all over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00054386 = 30.7281 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: i eneded up framing that print you gave me as bonus when I ordered shirts
nubbins`: FTR i've been teaching myself hardcover bookbinding and TRB.book would have been gorgeous
nubbins`: thestringpuller can't quite recall the print
mircea_popescu: 18<nubbins`> buy something with it. oh wait, the seller may convert it to usd. << he got the exact answer, but wouldn't take it, because reasons.
☟︎ danielpbarron: nubbins`, how much to send me a couple of those shirts :)
thestringpuller: it has a cloud on one side and scissors in in the desert on another side
nubbins`: danielpbarron PM with mailing addy and i'll get a shipping quote
nubbins`: thestringpuller ahh yes, from pepa chan
nubbins`: she has a piece in book linked above
nubbins`: for whom does the night paint the dawn?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:18:04; mircea_popescu: 18<nubbins`> buy something with it. oh wait, the seller may convert it to usd. << he got the exact answer, but wouldn't take it, because reasons.
mircea_popescu: but - eulora copper. not only exact answer, but provably the only one.
nubbins`: no, problem is we don't know what you need because you're not telling us
nubbins` can't imagine alf in a department store
mircea_popescu: wait, the criteria is "buy something useful with bitcoin" && "seller may not give btc to usd" ?
mircea_popescu: maybe specifying the problem you're trying to solve would help.
mircea_popescu: so, "buy something useful with bitcoin - must be physical item or service that i can use"
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, after night on a decade of empty posturing, has exactly no sort of useful anything on offer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16332 @ 0.00054385 = 8.8822 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: shit, sorry, "what odds" is a newfy-ism
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's what i've been trying to ask you and you've been steadfastly not answering
nubbins`: "what can i buy" as a process of elimination isn't something i'm interested in participating in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4195 @ 0.00054361 = 2.2804 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's a good place to store money when it's not in use...
thestringpuller: only good thing to sell BTC for is fiat, but whats the point in that if your income 99% fiat
thestringpuller: If you're paid in fiat why would you ever sell bitcoin at all?
thestringpuller: going to 0 as in game over? or going to 0 for a minute then we'll be back to $X price.
nubbins`: deal when we signed up was 0 or oo
nubbins`: asciilifeform there's always bullion
nubbins`: well that excludes ME from selling it to you
nubbins` sent a $17,000 package via fedex last year
nubbins`: you need metal to convert btc-usd without notice
nubbins`: wait, you don't want usd or something
nubbins`: you don't get to control what happens to it once it leaves your hands
nubbins`: try actually explaining this time
nubbins`: so, obviously usg is reading this right now
nubbins`: what broad categories of goods or services would you accept in return for your btc?
nubbins`: in a perfect world where the transfer of such goods or the provision of such services was able to take place in absolute secrect
nubbins`: within the bounds of credulity
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: then why business as usual if bitcoin is dead?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00054361 = 9.1598 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: BTC just failed, now what? << It seems business as usual tho...or is #b-a closing shop?
nubbins`: he can't just move out of DC, he has to do it on a carrier fleet
☟︎ nubbins` can't imagine the sort of mindset required to believe that the only two viable options for one's future are stasis or a $10mn windfall
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assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January - February 2016 Joint Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1oZOwNp )
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1oZOJjK )
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 07:15:37; *: ben_vulpes eagerly anticipating mircea_popescu's bitcoin eulogy
nubbins`: “I took LSD when I was working on ‘Return of the Jedi,’ and it’s fine. It was, like, very calming. And so I decided to go back to work. When I walked into the blue-screen stage, it was like, ‘Ahhh.’ I took way too much,”
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 10:43:36; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423477 << the way to kill pools is to hash he WHOLE BLOCK, rather than header. but as mircea_popescu pointed out, it is not merely ~pools~ that are colluding, but actual ~miners~, so it solves nothing.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 12:29:48; asciilifeform: i'd buy'em but money broke.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 12:58:05; nubbins`: asciilifeform i thought it was fairly obvious that MP had been divesting since he lost his shirt w/ MPOE?
mircea_popescu: and yes, i can readily credit myself retrospectively with saving bitcoin through that, but why even bother.
nubbins`: alf is simultaneously saying he can't afford to get a box of shirts shipped to him, AND that he can't find anything to spend $10k bezzlars worth of btc on?
☟︎ nubbins`: in fairness, i'd ship the box via canada post.
nubbins`: does virgin airlines take btc?
mircea_popescu: you could airdrop them from orbit on alf's house. seeing how he lives next door to obama's rural cousin #5460580, prolly give norad a good wake-up.
nubbins`: that would require entering US airspace, which is on my verboten list
nubbins`: ever since the nudie scans at the airports were deemed non-optional
nubbins`: just imagine how interesting it'll be in two years
nubbins`: node warfare sort of is a thing already
thestringpuller has a feeling he will be depressed when reading upcoming s.bbet statement
nubbins`: man, you guys must've missed me
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:44:29; nubbins`: he can't just move out of DC, he has to do it on a carrier fleet
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: reminds me of affluent guy who ends up in witness protection washing rental cars for a living
nubbins`: alf, i don't think you quite understand how few shittier countries exist than the one you're in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well for living off capital it helps having capital, and it helps even more (say H(N^2)) to be the kind of spirit that is helped by capital
mircea_popescu: usually evidenced by having the capital in the first place.
nubbins` flatly doesn't believe alf is "poor" in any reasonable sense of the word
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you live off food stamps, or drink 40's on the stoop?
nubbins`: that's a function of how much you spend, not how much you make.
nubbins`: thestringpuller he lives in DC
nubbins`: for alf, "poor" means he can't stop working permanently
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you should move to projects for a year an live like the actual slave negros.
nubbins` lols, makes masturbatory gesture
nubbins`: more realistic is that you're just fucking terrible with money
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's better to be a light skinned house-boy than to work the fields...
nubbins`: besides, i've sworn off roommates.
nubbins`: a temporary situation, no longer required
nubbins`: could blank out the mortgage tomorrow, but dat capital gains tax.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: slavery is slavery, however i must admit house niggas were treated better than the outdoor field niggas.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 14:01:07; nubbins`: alf is simultaneously saying he can't afford to get a box of shirts shipped to him, AND that he can't find anything to spend $10k bezzlars worth of btc on?
nubbins`: prob similar to how it works here in canadia
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: why do you not launder money as to avoid taxation?
nubbins`: wait, btc is money in the USA, isn't it?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: we have, but I think you overestimate the facilities required to execute such a plan...
nubbins` would get to give 1k to revenue canada if liquidating 10k of coin
nubbins`: we do here too, and capital gains are taxed at 11% across the board
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if your rent is can be paid by money order, you can take bag of benjies and buy multiple US postal mondey orders...
nubbins`: without actual dollar figures these arguments are absolute fucking wankery
nubbins`: and smth tells me alf would find it vulgar to quantify these vagaries
thestringpuller: should be making "free asciilifeform" t-shirts and protesting the white house
nubbins`: there's nothing particular about anyone, pre-action
nubbins`: nothing particular about cluny macpherson until he invented the gas mask
nubbins`: (born 1879 st. john's twodogland, natch)
nubbins`: ^ home of inventor of gas mask
nubbins`: do a 180 and see the park where nubs plays frisbee and smokes dope
nubbins`: first general-issue mask for british troops
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it - decentralized, but no strangers ? how's this design supposed to even go ?
mircea_popescu: right. so now, internet overlord decides to rst all conns that are trying to move block-sized items back and forth.
mircea_popescu: you can break bitcoin w/o breaking the internet, which is a problem.
mircea_popescu: so you want to have a proper meld here, gossipd-bitcoin
nubbins`: anyone else wants NSA tees for cost of shipping, send me a line
mircea_popescu: if you get them in one package, should prolly be "all of them", ie a crate. esp if no hurry.
mircea_popescu has no complaints at all re nubs subcontracting, aaa would hire again.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for your own peace of mind : i would ~definitely~ support a beedog coin, irrespective of how cartel mining impasse is resolved or the eventual fate of current-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: we needed a 2nd for a long time anyway, wtf is this ripple eth ltc doge bs.
mircea_popescu: and there is a very good vp on the table. gossip + proper hashes and ciphers + correct pow + proper relay/mine design + + +
thestringpuller: for next experiment: remove satoshi and his dope from the equation completely
mircea_popescu: if mining works correctly (ie, as he naively intended it would) the initial allocation as designed is fine.
mircea_popescu: i'll put some boxes to it as a seed, whosoever wants to do the same can do the same and it can take it from there.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin was fine, and would continue to be fine, as is, for any maxint.
mircea_popescu: the weakness in the pow and the poor mining/relayer design created perverse incentives not directly apparent in the design phase, however.
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem of scaling, even if it is a problem made apparent by scaling
thestringpuller: ah this makes me wanna finish my fictional story about plutonium coin
thestringpuller: a coin which requires nuclear power plants worth of energy to mine single blocks
mircea_popescu: ipso definition, individual women in any gendered species are in the pool of womanhood ; and respectively males.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: alpha wolf kills all the other males and takes women for himself
mircea_popescu: the chief problem of human society is pool collusion in this view.
mircea_popescu: males trying to get together to gangrape individual females ; females getting together trying to create wailer choruses to keep the male group at bay, everything we don't like about society reduces readily to "it's not made up of individuals", ie, poolmined.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense. you needn't balance the desire of syphilis to defect from syphilisdom by injecting my with tb ffs.
mircea_popescu: so yes, bitcoin does suffer from game theoretical poor design, but this problem specifically can not be resolved by "adding another bug somewhere else, they'll cancel out".
mircea_popescu: the problem is that margin-driven mining creates centralisation necessarily.
mircea_popescu: trust me, unlike you that doesn't play, i ~created~ a homeostatic game world.
mircea_popescu: and i'm telling you, the solution to a broken knee is not to break an elbow.
mircea_popescu: lemme say that schelling points exist PRECISELY because ~irrational~ behaviour is an UNDEFEATABLE solution to your matrix.
mircea_popescu: ie, humans have a very lengthy, selected ability to centralize against the possibility of a nice world.
mircea_popescu: you're kicking the can. -ev for the player +ev for the group, we're buiolding the soviets omfg fuckme
mircea_popescu: not so. bitcoin had 3 types of animal, minerS, nodes, owners. notwitstanding the very problematic weakness of nodes, the minerS unicellular molds merged in one major piece of dogvomit.
mircea_popescu: this is what most molds do under environmental stress - which is exactly what the environment was designed to do to them.
mircea_popescu: purely for exploratory reasons - how far are you willing to take the gossipd ?
mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean - how about quantum money ? (yes sum X settled as Y in subgrapg S1, but as Z in subgraph S2. problem ?)
mircea_popescu: the [fundamentally centralzising] question of "tell me the one and only god-given truth as to ownership" dissolves in a cloud of acceptances.
mircea_popescu: ie, THEY think i paid you 5 btc, but THOSE OTHERS see that same 5 btc going to him. and well.. it's just how it is.
mircea_popescu: this notion of money is disjunct enough from the commonly held to be scary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00054575 = 10.9969 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i don't expect this realisation to be within common reach.
mircea_popescu: "non-inflationary, non-traceable" suddenly means something very different.
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to be a stabilizing influence in my life, world! wtf is this!
mircea_popescu: so basically, forking is +ev for participants until everyone's on his own chain. how does anyone transact this assperger coin ?
mircea_popescu: so the option is "either create a money that drives a government, or else create a money that drives a crazy" ?
mircea_popescu: ok, take the nonsense practically : there's A, as illustrated yesterday, the group of six nude ladies ; there's B, b-a. i hope you folks aren't nude atm ?
mircea_popescu: now - person X comes to me with a 5 BTC which he wants to spend on milk. B sees the 5 as valid ; A, as invalid. i know both A and B. does this mean i have to choose ?
mircea_popescu: not being a superposition of eigenstates myself, but a resolved one, i can't both credit and not credit the 5btc. would seem i have to choose one.
mircea_popescu: because B mined on the basis of the chain that it saw ; and A idem. there's no guarantee these would stay coherent, and so they didn';t.
mircea_popescu: why would they ever meet ? they're not meeting. ask your pet.
mircea_popescu: and why would they reconcile ever if they met ? have you seen nude women together before ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> purely for exploratory reasons - how far are you willing to take the gossipd ? << how about quantum money ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno about your or anyone else's experience, but i personally have spent my entire life to date in the company of people whose takes were fundamentally irreconcilable. ever since a wee tyke doing double time between the upper crups exclusive school and the criminal underworld.
mircea_popescu: (notwithstanding all the idiots who "read" the code - it is there, specified. de facto, irrespective of intention, and besides the guy's intentions scarcely either made sense or made it into practice.)
mircea_popescu: so you're going to bake in a magic number which is the largest number of groups that may ever exist in anyone's view
mircea_popescu: try another : every morning when i wake up now, i read the log. this, i like. if i were using your coin, every morning when i woke up, i would conceivably be greeted by a list of notifications : "group X has now split. in five. would you like to name the shards or ignore the shards, for each shard ?"
mircea_popescu: because if biulbiul has an argument with fatme, i am still fucking both.
gribble: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: many questions remain, but the discussion has been interesting.
mircea_popescu: money IS. whether it'll ever be what it ought or not - welll, that's what engineers are for.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: indeed, you can get all of them and more for 1 btc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because convention. why do i imagine putting girl on knees is humiliating ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2014 04:36:33; asciilifeform: eventually people's brains will grow and they will stop thinking of market value as a scalar.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 02:35:36; asciilifeform: the notion of 'trustworthiness' as a scalar is fundamental to scamatrons of all stripes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00054754 = 10.5675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11306 @ 0.00054518 = 6.1638 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.0005441 = 13.5753 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12541 @ 0.00054323 = 6.8126 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: /me fixed toilet float with a toothpick
punkman: I wonder wtf the last guy used to secure the float's lever because it must have dissolved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00054297 = 17.1036 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Enjoyed the Qntra story spin too BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty, but it's not spin. It is measured outrage.
shinohai: I am slowly losing any interest in Bitcoin besides a medium for buying drugs.
mod6 is finally caught up
mod6: interesting discussion today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0005422 = 6.9944 BTC [-]
mod6: <+shinohai> prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway) << i lel'd.
BingoBoingo after much gnashing and wailing beginning to see remaining utility in BTC almost exclusively as bridge to what comes next
BingoBoingo: Whether next thing be beedog coin or arse wallet coin
mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: It seems to look like name for discussing attributes of hypothetical actual Coin
mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning.
☟︎ mod6: I feel better about that.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. The initial shock was unnerving, but then again what the fuck else had all the things qntra'd about added up to.
BingoBoingo: Also exciting to se pogo dream may be resurrected.
mod6: I like the idea of possibly incorporating gossip into the mix.
BingoBoingo especially fond of potential to avoid getting locked into cpp-isms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00054354 = 11.4143 BTC [+]
mod6: BingoBoingo: yah, this too
BingoBoingo: V-ified from actual completely gavin-free origin
BingoBoingo: So what if it takes 5-10 years to gain mass traction as opposed to the couple hours a hardfork crisis would resolve in
BingoBoingo: brb gotta learn programmaring so can be of use when prototype emerges from a fever dream
☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform: did you ever mention a de-facto ADA book?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 04:28:49; asciilifeform: just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post
mod6: and as far as 'compilers', you suggest 'red dragon' as opposed to second edition 'purple dragon'?
mod6 mind-as-well round out the library
mod6: ok cool, first edition then.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00054376 = 5.6007 BTC [+]
mod6: any particular reason(s)?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27708 @ 0.00054394 = 15.0715 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: now that this all happened, i kinda wish there was c4 this year.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00054478 = 20.8923 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00054289 = 8.4419 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 19:56:34; mod6: now that this all happened, i kinda wish there was c4 this year.
mod6: but would be cool just to meet and get around and discuss these things infront of a blackboard or whatever.
mod6: i guess we can do all of this here.
mod6: but something to be said for all of us in same room.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32875 @ 0.00054289 = 17.8475 BTC [-]
mod6: ya, saw that and was thinking the same
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 04:23:11; mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
mircea_popescu: somehow it became a term of endearment for alf and especially alfisms.
mircea_popescu: the joke being of course that any serious designer is exactly a bee-dog.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12483 @ 0.0005422 = 6.7683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:41:13; mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 19:15:25; BingoBoingo: brb gotta learn programmaring so can be of use when prototype emerges from a fever dream
mircea_popescu: anyway, the weather in b-a fixed itself, tis very pleasant, the steaks still here, by all means.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i must confess i don't get the latest qntra. wut ?
BingoBoingo: Entering into the record the end of pretending US minor socialist party is a thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh 2nd most recent, the san bernadino ISIS derps
BingoBoingo: mundane case of guy and his wife shooting up their workplace
BingoBoingo: Why be another allah snackbar weather event when one has a plague to spread is the point?
BingoBoingo: Supposedly they are getting a 100 inches of snow soon. Can't fall into the ocean soon enough
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:47:13; nubbins`: but this may be a failing on my part
nubbins`: asciilifeform PM mailing address, probably will cost 0.33 BTC tops to get tees delivered
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16126 @ 0.00054229 = 8.745 BTC [+]
assbot: New OS X Ransomware KeRanger Infected Transmission BitTorrent Client Installer - Palo Alto Networks BlogPalo Alto Networks Blog ... (
http://bit.ly/1TC5HCf )
nubbins`: that's up there with linux mint serving up bogus ISOs
nubbins`: "The KeRanger application was signed with a valid Mac app development certificate; therefore, it was able to bypass Apple’s Gatekeeper protection."
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: which prob had a developer account for pushing bespoke apps to company handsets
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 21:29:36; nubbins`: asciilifeform PM mailing address, probably will cost 0.33 BTC tops to get tees delivered
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 21:38:23; nubbins`: "The KeRanger application was signed with a valid Mac app development certificate; therefore, it was able to bypass Apple’s Gatekeeper protection."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14599 @ 0.00054221 = 7.9157 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1TYjVgd )
nubbins` was "ios developer" for short stint, earned a free ipad from sales of app
nubbins`: wow, i've been an ebay member since 1999
nubbins`: "really proud of klye for [selling t-shirts calling himself a fuckup in an attempt to recoup blistering losses from an earlier scam]"
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