ben_vulpes: PeterL: oui c'est moi
PeterL: does it have a rss feed?
PinkPosixPXE: ok, time to finish up some work/be productive, and have some delightful Pho for dinner!
kakobrekla: you live in the nam?
PinkPosixPXE: hehe nah, I just buy food from the nam's restaurant.. the good ones
PinkPosixPXE: nom 'nam
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i made one at one point, but it's fallen over since.
PeterL: aha, let me know if you get a feed working so I can add it to the bot's list
kakobrekla: ;;rate fivezerotwo -1 >I wanna see if trust list notifications work correctly (next one in a couple of hours)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user fivezerotwo has been recorded.
scoopbot: New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/introducing-the-scoopbot/
kakobrekla: it werks
kakobrekla: drinks for everyone!
PeterL: when I tried to add author i borked it, but now it works again
kakobrekla: you cant really claim that
BingoBoingo: scoopbot request n00dz
kakobrekla: > http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2014#905173
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2014 04:09:06; kakobrekla: there is only non working code atm so stfu.
mircea_popescu: ahhh that was the best salmon in soffran sauce i ever had.
BingoBoingo: Oh another "if massive mining power, then this had probably been discussed to death before" attack http://bramcohen.com/2014/11/03/an-attack-on-the-timestamp-semantics-of-bitcoin
mircea_popescu: nah, actually, the timestamping is known to be weak.
kakobrekla: soffran ? saffron?
mircea_popescu: saffron yea
kakobrekla: that thing is poison.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: news doesn't have footnotes. << i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but imo the current solution to the problem of illiterare population (dumb down the news) is maybe not the best. putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla isn't that if you eat thr wrong part ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: or i can generate something like 1BTCFund but it 'll take a while <<< eeentirely up to you.
PeterL: news doesn't have footnotes because they have not adapted to using the technology yet
mircea_popescu: and totally bitbet needs moar footnotes :D
PeterL: they are still stuck trying to make their websites look like a paper newspaper
mircea_popescu: ^
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu afaik no. but you need 10 grams to take you out.
mircea_popescu: and breaking all the fucking browsers as a result.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seeing how i didn't pay like 10k for the sauce alone, i somehow doubt there was enough in there then
kakobrekla: lucky for us it has a strong taste so you dont need much of it.
kakobrekla: less than half a gram for a persons meal +-
mircea_popescu: punkman Sorry, the requested URL 'http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/raw_bundles/1M/1MXeLHi5%00bundle' caused an error: Not found: '/raw_bundles/1M/1MXeLHi5\x00bundle'
mircea_popescu: i just clicked a link!
mircea_popescu: 0x1) CLAUSES 0x0] INTRODUCTION ; RESPONSIBILITIES => ) ==== ]
punkman: where was that link?
mircea_popescu: Download bundle: JSON | Raw << raw part
punkman: oic
mircea_popescu: bounce: no, it's complete bs. reading time does not depend on wordcount alone. or even taking word length into consideration. <<< seriously guise, this "reading time" thing is poppy.
asciilifeform: putting footnotes in there so even the clueless can follow may work ? << lol! what next, footnotes for linux kernel so illiterates can understand? bitcoind? lev landau's 'mechanics' ?
kakobrekla: ftr im against against.
mircea_popescu: bounce: footnotes are a major break in reading flow [...] <<< here's a tip&trick : hover pointer over footnote mark, there's a tooltip that loads it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.
mircea_popescu: it'd be better than the current pretense of "we invented a new, easier one!"
kakobrekla: nobody notices kakos headnotes.
mircea_popescu: "it doesn't work, and it's pretty stupid, but at least you know, ux!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla heads too big, hard to notice.
asciilifeform: what would, e.g., herr landau, have accomplished, if he had to occupy himself with teaching arithmetic.
cazalla: fwiw, i don't think the kakobrekla's and asciilifeform's of this world are the target audience for Qntra
asciilifeform: cazalla: who, if it isn't a deep secret, is?
kakobrekla: fine ill go back to coindesk.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: kakobrekla is the audience for everything
mircea_popescu: jurov: i propose if they don't get claimed in 14 days, then they get loaned to coinbr. <<< i think that's how brokers work anyway, minus the 14 days
asciilifeform a believer in 'last psychiatrist's theorem' - 'if yer reading it, it's for you'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not landau. later contributors can footnote it.
mircea_popescu: qntra doesn't make the news, it just footnotes it!
cazalla: although maybe BingoBoingo's articles have more appeal to the sophisticated Qntra reader
asciilifeform: qntra, american malls converting to data centers << obligatory >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html
BingoBoingo thinks this is prolly the most qntra piece so far. http://qntra.net/2014/10/matonis-to-resign-from-vessenes-bitcoin-foundation/
mircea_popescu: punkman: would qntra like to sponsor a WP plugin that accepts signed posts and puts them in editor's queue? << it's not a bad idea on the face but the truth is that the pipeline is too finnicky and too dependent on handwork for it to be useful. yet.
asciilifeform: signed posts << incidentally, this - plus a dose of wot - is the final thermonuclear pill against spam.
asciilifeform: call it 'ninjashotgun.'
mircea_popescu: it seems to be working fine yes.
punkman: also good idea for solo blog and comments
punkman: so you can post with logging in or such
punkman: *without
asciilifeform: screw logging in.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "you can just post"
asciilifeform: box (or mail gate) that swallows signed ascii text. a la turdatron.
mircea_popescu: assbot: "Work sets you free" sign stolen: Dachau memorial robbed. <<< that thing gets stolen periodically.
kakobrekla: poppy.< i dunno if poppy is good or bad (imma guess bad) but the diff between word count and reading time is the diff between 'df' and df -h'
asciilifeform wonders about the value of the pinched sign on the artcoin market
mircea_popescu: poppycock, ie, bad
kakobrekla: yes totally bad to put it human companionable form
kakobrekla: sux beyond vacuum
kakobrekla: jesus autofail
mircea_popescu: cazalla: fivezerotwo wants 2 btc to stop lol <<< guy sounds a lot more like, he'd want to start above the grunt level, doesn't know how to ask but figures (correctly) that no matter how he'd ask he won't get it.
kakobrekla: comprehendable is what i meant?
mircea_popescu: comprehensible.
kakobrekla: see
mircea_popescu: like reprehensible, but with cunt instead of raep.
mircea_popescu: so reading this log, is trilema down or what.
mike_c: not down for me.
kakobrekla: no, bitbet is.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxz8P7JA_Zo << re: 2btc
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: <@gmaxwell> nubbins`: blabla <<< how about we each do our part to keep idiocy cointained in -otc -dev and wherever else.
kakobrekla: my domain name slave is sleeping unfortunately
kakobrekla: and while i could call him up, eh.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: PinkPosixPXE don't knock .net, where else can you combine c-style code with visual basic in the same executable? :D <<< os/x ?
punkman: re: merkle tree - maybe in the future where we have 100 deeds per bundle, but it's already a hash tree so...
asciilifeform: 'We never pay any-one Dane-geld / No matter how trifling the cost; / For the end of that game is oppression and shame, / And the nation that pays it is lost!"'
punkman blows raspberry
kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128200 @ 0.00073227 = 93.877 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: punkman fatswell is an expert at the wikigame. how to say words that appear like they have substance.
ben_vulpes: punkbot: status
punkbot: ben_vulpes: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours and 31 minutes ago
ben_vulpes: punkbot: balance
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.0146 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 132 more bundles.
joecool: !ping
mircea_popescu: scoopbot hello
artifexd: <kakobrekla> yes, someone requested to make a custom rss feed for []bot only for it not to be used << It will be. Just... not yet.
kakobrekla: oki
asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << mega-lol.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
asciilifeform not surprised, expected precisely this.
ben_vulpes: !up foo_nugget
ben_vulpes: punkbot: help
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
ben_vulpes: punkbot: list
ben_vulpes: ...
punkman: punkbot list deedsystem
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform not surprised, expected precisely this. << wouldja give a man a moment ? i gotta answer comments and whatnot!
asciilifeform: lulzies
punkbot: [trust-update] | removed: fivezerotwo
mircea_popescu: !s from:nubbins` pastebin.com
assbot: 14 results for 'from:nubbins` pastebin.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Anubbins%60+pastebin.com
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509702 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 00:11:53; asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the
asciilifeform: ^ re: fl4m3w4r in mircea_popescu's comments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got a pointer to where you and nubbins` cut the book deal ?
PinkPosixPXE: more fivezerotwo garbage > http://dpaste.com/1QE0QRB
assbot: dpaste: 1QE0QRB: fivezerotwo 2014-11-03, by PinkPosixPXE
punkman: mircea_popescu: url bug fixed, and there's the trust-list notification
mircea_popescu: search is being unfriendly.
PinkPosixPXE: essentially the same crap
mircea_popescu: punkbot loveya.
PinkPosixPXE: that was from earlier, but same as the threats you guys are getting, just threw it out there
PinkPosixPXE: ok Pho, bbl!
mircea_popescu: enjoe.
kakobrekla: 15:31 <fivezerotwo> these people have a world view that 99% of the populance are dumb morons < its not my fault :(
mircea_popescu: 99% of the populace actually are dumb morons.
mircea_popescu: it'
mircea_popescu: s not a worldview.
punkman: kakobrekla: I have a gift for you
punkman: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/kakobrekla/rss
assbot: deeds signed by kakobrekla
kakobrekla: nowai, mp takes those away from me
ben_vulpes: who will step forward to claim responsibility for taking the deed faucet booty?
ben_vulpes: has someone, and i failed to notice?
PeterL: I'm waiting for a bunch to be out there and then I am going to take them all at once
punkman: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/nubbins%60 even nubbins` url works, success!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
BingoBoingo: Maybe fivezerotwo waits a few years and he can scrape his ransom out of the deedbot bin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00073039 = 35.4239 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: punkman: what's the story with deed titles?
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2l7by9/new_bitcoin_deed_system_launches/cls7erz << someone missed the point
assbot: majorpaynei86 comments on New Bitcoin Deed System Launches
ben_vulpes: https://blockchain.info/address/1D4kG2YPA6WHnkVs57VJXsRkpEF2TNB6zP
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1D4kG2YPA6WHnkVs57VJXsRkpEF2TNB6zP
punkman: ben_vulpes, just add Deed_title: bla bla on a line
punkman: maybe I make that just Title: ?
ben_vulpes: "recordation"
ben_vulpes: yeeeeah
ben_vulpes: seems superfluous to me
ben_vulpes: plus, imposing a structure on deeds is questionable
ben_vulpes: punkman: ^^
ben_vulpes goes back to permutating an api that the clients didn't want to document
punkman: someone asked for it at some point
ben_vulpes: my favorite part of software is telling clients "no".
ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16695 @ 0.0007295 = 12.179 BTC [-]
PeterL: what happens if the document has more than one line with Title: on it?
punkman: PeterL: uses first match
kakobrekla: bitbet is on the new boxen. if there is an emergency you can edit your hosts or wait couple of hours.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: throw parseError("Don't fuck with me, assets")
ben_vulpes: good god mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ben_vulpes: don't *do* that
mircea_popescu: what!
kakobrekla knew thats gonna happen
punkman: deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << urovj , that deed hash
ben_vulpes: https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
kakobrekla guessed the sum.
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wd. punkman yeah lol i did a dbl take too.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's fucking incredible, the guy's anagram? rly ?! but sig checked out so.
mircea_popescu: maybe we call him urovj from now on in memory of it.
punkman: vanity deeds! just append nonces until you get it
kakobrekla: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
kakobrekla: now he stops....
kakobrekla: meh
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works kakobrekla
kakobrekla: clearly nobody does anymore
kakobrekla: ( i have been reading the logs)
mircea_popescu: !up eightyeight
mircea_popescu: the world is decentralised, so it no longer works!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> reddit << someone missed the point << yeah, tarddit continues to inhabit this delusion whereby what it thinks and understands matters and is important. for greater lulz!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00073087 = 24.1918 BTC [+]
mike_c: not having a reddit account helps me resist the occasional urge to educate them.
mircea_popescu: works for me 2.
kakobrekla: meh i have put it back on the old box lol
PeterL: I never saw the appeal of reddit, it's like having all the inane comments from newspaper sites, but without the article to read
mircea_popescu: do newspaper sites still get comments anymore ?
PeterL: some do, but not anything useful as far as I've seen
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do newspaper sites still get comments anymore ? << Haven't seen any on the local papers recently, seems to have moved to Topix mostly, aka reddit for the poorer and stupider
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki << pls to insert deeds
kakobrekla: ah on ze mirror
mircea_popescu: o im in a bubble ?!
mircea_popescu: nm then
kakobrekla: no no that thing is hardcoded
kakobrekla: waits for my manual edit
kakobrekla: hold on
PeterL: http://xkcd.com/481/
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/boost-vc-close-6-6-million-in-funding/
mircea_popescu tries to recall what boost supposedly did
PeterL: aha, here is the one I was actually looking for: http://xkcd.com/1385/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, bitbetworks
cazalla: mircea_popescu, "incubate" startups like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA40yMept8c
mircea_popescu: wasn't it supposed not to work ?! wtf scam is this.
kakobrekla: yes we have a problem
kakobrekla: bitbetworks
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> reddit killed digg, one of the fastest growing tech startups at that time <<< ahahhhaha o gawd.
kakobrekla: log1 fixd
mircea_popescu: "digg decided to shoot itself in the head with web2.0, and reddit was one of the places that allowed child porn back then so here we are, hear us roar!"
mthreat: Bariloche photo of the day: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/1522883_10105277724055560_3211410691125884834_o.jpg
mircea_popescu: all hail the b-a explorer!
kakobrekla: now dont add anymore .ba services
kakobrekla: or else imma have to recode that header
mircea_popescu: why not!
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/boost-vc-close-6-6-million-in-funding/
mircea_popescu: kik
mthreat: I can see why hitler came here after ww2
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/
mike_c: ;;rate PeterL 1 author of scoopbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
mike_c: nice to have that back.
PeterL: is checking every 5 minutes a good timeframe you think?
mike_c: sounds good.
punkman: PeterL: name of website is a bit redundant, also might be better with irc names instead of rss authors
PeterL: right now it is pulling the author from the rss feed, to get irc nick would be a bit trickier
mike_c: hard code it. you have to maintain the list of blogs anyway
PeterL: it is also pulling the site title from the feed, it is not my fault they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog
kakobrekla: author not in rss?
kakobrekla: what rss is that?
punkman: just thinking it might be silly when it eventually says "by admin"
kakobrekla: like a shitty one?
PeterL: yes, author is in rss, but author in rss feed does not match irc nick
kakobrekla: mike_c hardcode not worky. point is qntra has many contributors
kakobrekla: yeah well fuck them
decimation: seems like the logs have been ddos'ed
PeterL: I guess it could get the author from the rss, then compare it against a list of irc nicks?
kakobrekla: yea looks like it decimation
PeterL: and assbot stopped saying the names of linked pages
kakobrekla: yes thats what happens under ddos
mike_c: point is qntra has many contributors << derp. oh yeah.
kakobrekla: or else someone comes here, pastes a link he controls, gets the ip from behind cloak
decimation: I wonder if usg has attempted to jail someone for possessing a private rsa key that is directly linked with extortion?
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/AXiOs9q.png < are they telling me to go elsewhere?
PeterL: have there been private rsa keys linked to extortion?
cazalla: PeterL, shots fired!
kakobrekla: punkbot sell price be their bid
PeterL: who shot what?
decimation: cazella's linked pastebin strongly implied such
decimation: although to be fair, the link to the gpg key is a bit tenuous
cazalla: PeterL, this "they don't have a more interesting name for thier blog", do you know we took almost 2 days to pick the name
PeterL: I just mean the blog name is exactly the same as the url
PeterL: even has the .net
cazalla: if this was reddit, i would down vote you right now
cazalla: seriously though, i always like how penguirker did it
PeterL: which was just the link?
cazalla: PeterL, it was like http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875299 but maybe others want more info, who knows
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 16:28:31; penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/
mircea_popescu: hm so i was just notified by the reddit sec that there's no reddit police
mircea_popescu: and the reddit fbi confirmed.
mircea_popescu: i think we may have a case of http://www.watchcartoononline.com/cow-and-chicken-season-4-episode-4-mall-cop
kakobrekla: and reddit nsa denied the whole thing.
cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net does this means qntra dropped out of 200k?
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> is checking every 5 minutes a good timeframe you think? << yeah.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> seems like the logs have been ddos'ed << i see em ?
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net does this means qntra dropped out of 200k? << Never went under 200k yet
PeterL: so the bitcoin foundation has an address, what do they do with the donated bitcoins?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The rank is based on the last full month
decimation: ;;isitdown logs.bitcoin-assets.com
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account?
gribble: logs.bitcoin-assets.com is down
decimation: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
decimation: ;;isitdown log1.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
mircea_popescu: ahok
mircea_popescu: PeterL whatever they feel like, basically.
ben_vulpes: buttcorns again, probably knowing the jackoffs involved.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: have they stated anything they feel like doing yet?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember trying to lure testers maybe ?
decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately argued that it was because of
decimation: the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism."
mircea_popescu: lol i like cazalla's pastebin.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is factual.
decimation: so, really all you need to have a 'reign of terror' is to put a 'suggestion box' in front of the secret police office
mircea_popescu: all you need to have a reign of terror is to empower the bottom of the social hierarchy. it never fails.
mircea_popescu: be it the peasants in russia, or the derps in nazi germany, whenever the "common man" is taken from under the foot and put on the table trouble soon follows.
mircea_popescu: the us worked just fine, and definitely better than the entire rest of the world, BEFORE extending the franchise.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/22PXEMC.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 4
decimation: yeah, if the NASDP leadership weren't fucktards, they would have put more emphasis on actual intelligence rather than harassing idiots
decimation: mircea_popescu: agreed. as I drive to work, I listen to that french revolution podcast, and they just covered the 'housewife army' that managed to dislodge Louis from Versailles
mircea_popescu: whenever "joe said" is not automatically followed by "oh yea ? and who the fuck is joe ?" the situation is already in the handbasked and moments away from hell.
PinkPosixPXE: 19:46 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE: did the scriptkiddies getcher aws account? << nope
PinkPosixPXE: :)
PinkPosixPXE: may be dropped about 10000 packets total, and did nothing as soon as I flipped my ip..
PinkPosixPXE: perhaps they decided going after 1 person wasn't enough for their e-peen-inflation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incorporated << neato. now nubbins` can bake tshirts!
mircea_popescu: but everything here is one single person or another.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ?
asciilifeform: with sumthing.
kakobrekla: how do tshirts help?
asciilifeform: idk, but 10 btc would buy a good fat crate'o'em
mircea_popescu: wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ?
mircea_popescu: have we been fooled ?!
asciilifeform: 'attacking #bitcoin-assets for their comments on reddit, assault against basic income, and other crap' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: there it is, 'basic income' again
asciilifeform: is that 'a thing' now?
mircea_popescu: what else do you suppose keeps approximately-washed middle aged boys in shared apartments with internet access ?
asciilifeform: i'd dearly love to know. where do i get some.
asciilifeform has to do all kinds of gnarly things for his 'b4s1c 1nc0m3'
PinkPosixPXE: I guess some idiots on reddit have to be scam trolls to get their daily income...
PinkPosixPXE: Then, didn't they like demand 2BTC ?
kakobrekla: idk, but 10 btc would buy a good fat crate'o'em < is this a protest of how unusable btc is to you or ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: iirc you invented a way of using
kakobrekla: wha?
asciilifeform: how long can one run a kakobrekla on 10 btc ?
kakobrekla: sadly i also need to convert to a more acceptable format
kakobrekla: still
decimation: asciilifeform: I recall that you were a proponent of 'guaranteed income'
asciilifeform: decimation: nah, more like guaranteed cloister
cazalla: ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\
kakobrekla: asciilifeform and to answer your question, a few months
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol problem solved.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla is clean, environmentally-spiffy engine
mike_c: first off, ridicule! second, how do you run an iphone without itunes anyway?
kakobrekla has optimized his reoccurring costs quite a bit
decimation: asciilifeform: like, if you are unwilling to provide for yourself, the gov't will supply one small stone cell with three gruels per day?
asciilifeform: decimation: where i live, they sorta do this already, but gotta be aryan
cazalla: mike_c, what would i use ichunes with my iphone for?
mike_c: well i don't know what you'd use an iphone for at all. but i thought you needed itunes to install shit on it.
asciilifeform: mike_c: the current pNohe is entirely usable without a computer.
cazalla: mike_c, you can use the appstore and just upload your music, download pics via ftp provided it is broken
mike_c: i guess you can use an iphone to impress the other girls at the party. gotta get a cute cover for it though.
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, is it some kind of inside joke when they go through the 'personnel file' of every high ranking Nazi and they all say exactly the same thing?
asciilifeform: decimation: aha.
asciilifeform: decimation: idea is, you can't play unless 'aryan, good nordic character'
asciilifeform: decimation: so clearly, if you're in the game, that's you.
asciilifeform: decimation: notice, 'baron von stierlitz' has the same in his file.
decimation: of course. I feel like I started halfway in though, they keep mentioning his earlier exploits with V weapons and I seem to have missed that
cazalla: mike_c, i thought it was the girls that like to impress with their phone, blinged up cases and all
mike_c: yes, the key to the joke was "the other girls"
asciilifeform: stone cell with three gruels << notice a peculiar fact about various 'advanced' bezzlatron nations where one can get a nice flat and three fine restaurant meals a day. but, for some reason, the occupants of said flats are not coughing up any great advances in sciences, arts.
asciilifeform: ergo, the sponsors are selective about who gets the cell and three gruels. in a very particular way.
cazalla: mike_c, matters not, sporting an old phone will just get you labelled as a hipster because the 3310 is vintage yo
asciilifeform: (only exception i know of re: 'not coughing up' was j. k. rowling, author of the children's book 'harry potter.' i wonder if they billed her for the pension retroactively...)
mike_c: certainly works in brooklyn
asciilifeform: i suppose ed limonov might be another exception.
decimation: either those who are rich in bezzlars are sitting on their brilliant inventions or the method by which one comes to hold bezzlars has little to do with productive activity
decimation: of course, there is the 'george boole' problem, as you point out in the comments
asciilifeform: neh, the thread was, in some parts of the world one can get the 'three gruels and a cell', but very few of the folks subscribed have shat out anything worth talking about
decimation: asciilifeform: it is an odd fact that most 'upright' folks in the us would prefer to starve rather than depend on welfare, yet the same folks view their mortgage deductions as a birthright
asciilifeform: decimation: outside of usa, there are misconceptions. it isn't like anyone can just go and sign up for 'welfare.'
asciilifeform: if you aren't in the target demographics (not purely 'ethnic', but approximately for most purposes) it may as well be 'macarthur grant' or nobel, for all you'll ever see of it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait a seccond. is lawsky the reddit supernintendo or the actual supernintendo ? << scam, he's just one of those rpi based emulators made the chicoms
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> one can get a nice flat and three fine meals [...] not coughing up any great advances in arts. <<< yes, they are.
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's an art too you know.
asciilifeform: and afaik, most of 'homo redditicus' is not living from government pensions, but from relatives
mircea_popescu: and where do the relatives get it ?
asciilifeform: same place i get it.
mircea_popescu: from tax breaks to deferring of college debt, it's all a gift.
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << sounds like a review in itself
asciilifeform: the tax breaks mostly subsidize playing in chumpatrons like real estate
mircea_popescu: now to the massive task of documenting this deedsbot thing.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the 2k i pay landlord is 100% tax-free income for him)
kakobrekla: jebus 2k rent?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha.
kakobrekla: srsly.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'cheap' too.
kakobrekla: unserious
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Seriously plausible for a US coast.
decimation: yeah in ascii's area $2k for a house is cheap
mike_c: significantly cheaper than mine..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it right re: the massive bezzle gifts, but notice that these aren't really handouts to the plebes - they only get to touch the money and feel warm inside for a few seconds, then they have to give it directly to real estate chumpmeisters or college racket
mircea_popescu: well of course.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla unlike europe, the us is very poorly developed.
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ?
mircea_popescu: well... they ain't got that.
asciilifeform: the 2k does not include other bezzles. e.g., auto, without which it is flatly impossible to buy edibles much less earn anything
asciilifeform: and various insurances.
decimation: asciilifeform: I added all this up once, and came to the conclusion that every single person in the washington DC area must have an income of >$100k
decimation: which didn't seem right
mircea_popescu: punkbot list deedsystem
mircea_popescu: what is this supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: decimation: every 'burgher' (see mircea_popescu's essay on the subject) - exactly right
asciilifeform: but there are several categories of inhabitant who don't need money at all
asciilifeform: unfortunately those categories are almost entirely membership-by-birth.
decimation: regarding birth, the ironic thing about wash dc is that the majority of these 'burghers' are holding gov't jobs, which are more-or-less sinecures for life
decimation: meanwhile they have kids, who also need to eat
decimation: those kids being the exact objects which the real estate/job-for-life chumpatrons must devour to sustain themselves
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not even kidding. you know that thing where you can't walk for 50 miles without ending up in a town, nor 10 miles without crossing a road ? << True story, did that.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/commissioner-mark-wetjen-cftc-would-have-authority-to-bring-enforcement-actions-against/
cazalla: beat you to it, scoopbot
mircea_popescu: o nice, scoopbot.
BingoBoingo: scooptbot request n00dz
decimation: lol so the wall street journal op-ed is where one makes usg policy now?
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it's where USG policy used to be made
asciilifeform: decimation: government jobs << in usa, everyone - at least, within a few steps of recursion - has a government job.
asciilifeform: (see the canonical piece by 'last psychiatrics' re: one town where this was demonstrable to the naked eye.)
decimation: yeah, in the wash dc area it's just a little flatter I guess
asciilifeform: that is, either works for usg, works for entity funded by usg, or works for a humble physical service (e.g. restaurant, plumber's shop) that is frequented by 1 and 2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41888 @ 0.00072794 = 30.492 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: if you're a potato monger in idaho - usg funded.
asciilifeform: even if you only sell for gold dubloons and have never heard of farm subsidy.
decimation: of course 99% of farmers prefer to receive usg electronic transfers directly to their accounts
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: but the point here is, the most humble tomato peddler at my local market - still usg funded.
decimation: yeah, this is true
decimation: for instance, he's still going to have to sell some gold to pay his land tax in dollars
asciilifeform: (it blew my mind the other week when i noticed that these were being paid, by many folks in the crowd, with... something quite like actual monopoly money. issued by the state, it turned out, 'vegetable food stamps.' presumably these are redeemable for usd in some dark cellar at city hall.)
decimation: that fellow who lived under a stump or whatever might claim to be somewhat independent, but really he's just taking advantage of usg's lack landlordship
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, they're not.
decimation: no ascii that's EBT
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: they're not redeemable for usd.
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: what're they redeemable for? veggies at neighbouring tables?
asciilifeform: arse-mouth system?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tax receipts mostly.
mircea_popescu: you can't go plunk down a pile of em and get dollars in exchange.
mircea_popescu: you can't sell them to a guy down the street
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform floored
mircea_popescu: you recall when california paid its suppliers in ious
mircea_popescu: then REFUSED to take the same in exchange for tax receipts ?
mircea_popescu: the only innovation there is refusing to take them in exchange for the only thing they used to be good for.
decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTTX35LNJo
assbot: Chapter Jackson - It's Free Swipe Yo EBT (Explicit) - YouTube
asciilifeform: ca should've been cut up and loaded onto slave ships long ago
asciilifeform: but in reality, the place is a miniature r&d laboratory for usg bezzlatronics.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've heard it's common practice to buy 'qualified' goods and sell on ebay for usd
mircea_popescu: mebbe, i dunno
asciilifeform: aha like cc scammers.
mircea_popescu: punkman hey how does one download the bundle db ?
decimation: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-05/D9UV7NDO0.htm
assbot: Food stamp fraud raising concerns in gov't offices - BusinessWeek
mircea_popescu: 75 billion a year.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/court-order-bfl-to-transfer-bitcoins-to-court/ << USG shorting augmented
assbot: Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: that comes to... brace yourselves... 250 bucks a year per capita.
decimation: on food stamps alone
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: misplaced a zero again?
mircea_popescu: about 1/4 ton tomato paste in bulk
decimation: there's also WIC http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/press-releases/2014/fifty-four-defendants-charged-in-18-million-wic-and-food-stamp-fraud-conspiracy
assbot: FBI — Fifty-Four Defendants Charged in $18 Million WIC and Food Stamp Fraud Conspiracy
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah the mob's making a killing with it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they keep playing it coy and oh, people.
kakobrekla: whats left in bfl, a few k btc?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/court-order-bfl-to-transfer-bitcoins-to-court/
assbot: Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court | Qntra.net
joecool: lol at the AKA's
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla doubtful anything's left, fgor a year now
decimation: I like how one arm of USG is threating anyone who has touched a bitcoin, while the other arm claims that they could not possibly investigate welfare fraud
mircea_popescu: welfare fraud is good.
asciilifeform: ' The order also gives the receiver authorization to convert the bitcoins "to cash on a systematic and reasoned basis."' << brace for waterfall.
kakobrekla: i have enough of this waterboarding :p
decimation: well, welfare fraud definitely serves some purpose, otherwise usg would 'investigate' it
mircea_popescu: decimation lemme illustrate the point with a humorous story.
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/massanutten.html
assbot: Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears.
mircea_popescu: the part where he says "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority"
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-assets-deed-system/
assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you agree to move your sustenance to stealing from the government, the government won.
mircea_popescu: you're still depending on it, whether you like it or not.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't care if you fight "for" or "against" it, just as long as your fight is ~about~ it.
mircea_popescu: on it goes.
mircea_popescu: there's a good reason http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ comes up with "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" or w/e else.
decimation: lol I've stayed at massanutten
asciilifeform 'private key for the confirmatory transaction' << misread as 'the crematory transaction'
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: massanutten is kind of a weird retirement area/resort for the wash dc area
decimation: for people who are not creative enough to find a more amusing place to live than a hill in rural Virginia
decimation: lol "That looks like a dog with a blanket on it. I'm not going to waste anyones time sending an officer out to check that. "
decimation: this guy is strong with the art of troll
asciilifeform: "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" << ignoring herr lysenko is best done from across an ocean.
asciilifeform: although even this no longer suffices.
asciilifeform: seems like they don't make oceans wide enough, any more.
decimation: so the anarcho-tyranny that 'upstanding citizens' complain about is really just two sides of the same customer service counter
decimation: the stick, for those who are willing to yield, the carrot for those who are willing to eat
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: people generally are slaves. this holds true irrespective of what the fashionable slavegarb is at any point.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> "ignore it" not with "debunk it" or "use it" << ignoring herr lysenko is best done from across an ocean. << the internet is an ocean.
BingoBoingo: Oh, we also beat coinfire to the BFL story
BingoBoingo: By about 20 minutes
mircea_popescu: wd!
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/529494297117487104 << Calling them out
assbot: Court in the /ButterflyLabs case has ordered for some of the co bitcoins to be moved to a court wallet & to be sold: https://t.co/7nxuZcdG7t
BingoBoingo: Since we were firsted the link http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3955937
BingoBoingo: scoopbot request tits
BingoBoingo: Oh, the rms ordained distro has a new release https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-70-lts-belenos
nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform do you have a preferred syntax highlighting style? we can make it match w/e
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: <PinkPosixPXE> more fivezerotwo garbage > http://dpaste.com/1QE0QRB << aaaahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073222 = 10.6172 BTC [+]
cazalla: so the horse i bet on in the melb cup, Admire Rakti, fkn died after the race, i picked that horse as the name remember me of Autumn Radtke who also died lol
cazalla: reminds me* such engrish
BingoBoingo: Damn
cazalla: Autumn Radtke being the bitcoin CEO that jumped out of a building earlier in the year
mircea_popescu: cazalla "No small talk, huh? They shoot your horse?" "f there's any justice..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me it delivered exactly as advertised.
cazalla: i watched that the other night, not bad
mircea_popescu: i fucking love jon polito in that thing
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ? << F9 BE B4 D9
cazalla: andreas giving you the high hat or what
ben_vulpes: i'm seriously considering having it tattooed on myself
mircea_popescu: wait tattoo what ?
ben_vulpes: magic bytes
ben_vulpes: haven't decided if hex or actual binary yet tho
mircea_popescu: but wait. what ?
mircea_popescu is confused
ben_vulpes: bitcoin network message header bytes
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh.
ben_vulpes: F9BEB4D9
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on redditland, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2l8d86/so_you_want_to_donate_to_support_bitcoin_how/
assbot: So you want to donate to support Bitcoin? How about donating to the real Bitcoin Foundation instead of Vessennes' scambox? : Bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i actually wanted that for the org url too
mircea_popescu: and ? taken ?
ben_vulpes: nobody bought it
ben_vulpes: lol mircea_popescu's log fraud exposed
ben_vulpes: hey are you still giving away domains?
ben_vulpes: *elbow elbow*
mircea_popescu: wait wait what ?
ben_vulpes: hm i recall perhaps fraudulently that you were giving away domains at one point.
mircea_popescu: F9BEB4D9.com << it's registered actually.
ben_vulpes: f9beb4d9.org
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << i learned recently that 'app' name optimization is a thing that 'consultants' charge for.
cazalla: yeah, i've heard of appstore seo
ben_vulpes: it had its own hilarious acronym when introduced to me
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: ASO
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes okay, you got it. ns ?
ben_vulpes: app store optimization
ben_vulpes: wheeeee
ben_vulpes: jurov's donated hosting stuffs and wrapped in aws antiddos so i dun even know
ben_vulpes: ;;dig therealbitcoin.org
gribble: Error: "dig" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ^^ wish that were a thing
mircea_popescu: dude you need to get better at wishlist maintenance.
ben_vulpes: thanks mircea_popescu that's a rad domain and i'm thrilled that we have it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00073222 = 21.0147 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: dude i'm accustomed to my wish list not getting filled
ben_vulpes: "if the world were to against all reason smile upon my works" sort of attitude
mircea_popescu: ok ns copied from trb.org
ben_vulpes: so much gracias
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt this will actually work, but anyway, ding me later with actual ns
mircea_popescu: if needed.
ben_vulpes: yeah will do
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov see above s'il vous plait
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: gratzi mille mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: love.
ben_vulpes: (the domain is both meaningful and follows the rules of domain name selection: be unique in the first chars)
ben_vulpes: ^^ for lurkers.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/sir-richard-branson-discuss-bitcoin-at-next-months-g20-summit/
assbot: Sir Richard Branson: "Discuss Bitcoin At Next Month's G20 Summit" | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: !up julles
BingoBoingo: !up julmac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00073222 = 7.957 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o look at the cute tiny netsplit
kakobrekla: this time for real : if you see maintenance page on bitbet, flushdns
mircea_popescu: ლ(`ー´ლ) aww that's cuter
mircea_popescu: ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯ << wow different ones ?!
kakobrekla: ye :)
mircea_popescu: ⊙﹏⊙ ahahh
kakobrekla: well i see traffic on both ends
kakobrekla: so wtf
kakobrekla: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/bitbet.us
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
kakobrekla: this thing sez its good
kakobrekla: > is what you need
mircea_popescu: dude these are too fucking cute
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: i've been sitting here refreshing it and lulzing
mircea_popescu: fuck your new site, this is better.
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: dont get banned now ;)
mircea_popescu: "There undoubtedly needs to be work done to ensure that Bitcoin operates under a best practice regulatory regime."
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: not only this undoubtedly flies in the face of reason, but actually, it's bitcoin-illegal to "do work"
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: what other fucking undoubtedly do these people have ? global warming, right ?
mircea_popescu: o shit it's halloween isn't it ?
Naphex thinks you just missed it
mircea_popescu: lol oops.
mircea_popescu: wasn't this supposed to be like all big deal discount "largest sale night of the year" etc ?
mircea_popescu: or what, the failure of last years' taken the jam out of the marketeer's donut ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the cool shit buried in time! http://trilema.com/2012/gene-wolfe-orson-scott-card-and-others/
assbot: Gene Wolfe, Orson Scott Card, and others. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21139 @ 0.00073358 = 15.5071 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28211 @ 0.00073096 = 20.6211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maP0CAhL_3k << chasing topless chicks
assbot: Topless Femen activists chased through Paris streets by riot police - YouTube
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/ Odds: 43(Y):57(N) by coin, 44(Y):56(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.43659622 BTC. Current weight: 77,351.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 328468 | Current Difficulty: 3.598564026507623E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 328607 | Next Difficulty In: 139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: totally fascinating this notion that nudity is somehow antipatriarchy.
kakobrekla: light sweet crude oil ... totally wtf bet. 8.5 btc on it.
kakobrekla: O_o
mircea_popescu: why wtf ? wti is a big deal
kakobrekla: is it eh?
kakobrekla: well apparently so, who am i to argue with bb
kakobrekla: anyway all seems in check, imma go
punkbot: [trust-update] added: delta9 | removed: delta9
mircea_popescu: punkman ^ ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ?
RagnarDanneskjol: delta9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol
assbot: Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RagnarDanneskjol: https://github.com/extempore/deedbundler/blob/367a7dd20b9ba4337c7c40b026706e09ee51c168/plugins/DeedSystem/plugin.py
assbot: deedbundler/plugin.py at 367a7dd20b9ba4337c7c40b026706e09ee51c168 · extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol huh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont know why he chose delta9 other than reference to weed. there are 4 status updates that prompt the bot to speak: deed auth, deed bundle confirm, status/balance, and 'trust updates'
mircea_popescu: nah it also updates on changes in the trust db
RagnarDanneskjol: oh nice
mircea_popescu: so if one wants to spider a lot of sites and extract links, how would one go about that ?
mircea_popescu: i'm talking "put in this file all urls found on all pages of 1mn sites" sort of thing.
RagnarDanneskjol: ive seen a bunch of utils on git for this. I think this one does: https://github.com/sylvinus/node-crawler
assbot: sylvinus/node-crawler · GitHub
RagnarDanneskjol: search git fr crawler/spider and you'll find a lot of them
mircea_popescu: not much a problem of code. but anyway, anon benefactor sent me http://www.michaelnielsen.org/ddi/how-to-crawl-a-quarter-billion-webpages-in-40-hours/
assbot: How to crawl a quarter billion webpages in 40 hours | DDI
mircea_popescu: "More precisely, I crawled 250,113,669 pages for just under 580 dollars in 39 hours and 25 minutes, using 20 Amazon EC2 machine instances."
mircea_popescu: i guess amazon is the way to go.
RagnarDanneskjol: whoa cool
jurov: whoa whoa.. things are moving quickly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073408 = 14.5348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00073088 = 7.8606 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/2000-coinbase-accounts-phished-via-blockchain-info-public-notes/
assbot: 2000 Coinbase Accounts Phished Via Blockchain.info Public Notes | Qntra.net
jurov: ben_vulpes: so whom i should talk aboout f9beb4d9.org ?
jurov: it still strikes me as dorky, but whatever
jurov: what is base58 of 0xf9beb4d9 ? just to add extra dorkiness
BingoBoingo: Is this a concern? http://klikki.fi/adv/wordpress_ennakko-fi.html
assbot: Klikki Oy - Kaikki yleisesti käytössä olevat WordPress-versiot haavoittuvia
jurov: it's apparently 7PFyRz
jurov: 7PFyRz.org still free
punkman: mircea_popescu: mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ? << that's the idea
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot delta9
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user delta9: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=delta9 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=delta9 | Rated since: Sat Nov 20 19:37:15 2010
punkman: well I got no clue how he was both added/removed when nothing changed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072812 = 8.2642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00072812 = 23.7003 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: i guess amazon is the way to go. << if you are on amazon you also get free access to http://commoncrawl.org/the-data/
assbot: Common Crawl - The Data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00072922 = 9.6257 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ fkn guy got all snippy with me
assbot: Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net
jurov: cazalla what is inercia?
jurov: and it would help to give the context what did you ask
bounce: guy got snippy, therefore scam
bounce suspects it was supposed to be "inertia"
jurov: yes to both... just would be good to see what Qs made him snippy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39038 @ 0.00073056 = 28.5196 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2l97xj/wikipedia_page_for_andreas_antonopoulos_nominated/
punkbot: [trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/offtopic-donations/
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl maybe ratelimit scoopbot ? 1/hr/domain or something ? also add update protection somehow ? otherwise the temptation to flood is too great.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell enky srsly, "we love bitcoin" "comments are closed" and "don't send donations in BTC that coinbase can't process" on the same page ? what is this!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated fivezerotwo
gribble: You rated user fivezerotwo on Sat Oct 18 10:55:21 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: kinda derpy kid with a kinda derpy botnet..
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate fivezerotwo
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for fivezerotwo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073081 = 18.4164 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 and who else was looking to donate to the btcf, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up BlackHatToolz
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
Pierre_Rochard: regarding http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2014#907929 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-11-2014 16:24:55; Pierre_Rochard: I’m writing up bitcoin accounting software, do y’all have any feature requests? https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/pacioli
Pierre_Rochard: One thing I had in mind was Accounts Payable / Accounts Receivable integrated with GPG, WoT, and deedbot
mircea_popescu: now that is a good idea.
Pierre_Rochard: So that you send an encrypted/signed invoice to someone they’re accounting server imports it into their payables automatically, they approve it, payment goes out, everything is documented cryptographically
mircea_popescu: dude...
Pierre_Rochard: their* accounting server
mircea_popescu: if you actually get this to where it's usable i'd heart you so hard...
Pierre_Rochard: the meat of it is there, the financial reporting will be fairly polished within a week, and the IRC integration I think I could get functional by the end of the year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14568 @ 0.00072988 = 10.6329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: listen, pick your poison of people who have proven bot capabilities. Azelphur FabianB_ punkman peterl kakobrekla to name a few.
mircea_popescu: have them do it for you, shave 10 months out of that year
Pierre_Rochard: Ok, will do! I’ll write up the spec and pass it around
mircea_popescu: very exciting development.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Pierre_Rochard
gribble: You rated user Pierre_Rochard on Sun Jun 1 10:33:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: CPA.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 I like how the man thinks.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Pierre_Rochard has changed from 1 to 2.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@c-98-251-108-249.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 8 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014
kakobrekla: hm, its been like 8 hrs or smth and i had 1k bots with uniqe ip fetching 'action=register' on bitbet
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the action works.
kakobrekla: retarded wp bots. its not even wp site.
kakobrekla: WP... what have you done to ze internet :(
mircea_popescu: !up ryguyy
mircea_popescu: ;;ud quist
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quist | Quist. A street term for an organic fluid known as semen. The discharge of quist is called ejaculation. Bill Clinton: Hey bitch, open your mouth so I can quist in it.
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/1O/jx/4LAH7D5h/img20141104161626.jpg
mircea_popescu: reported for sapmming colofornia.
bounce: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/4a35c0b2-636e-11e4-9a79-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3I7LRccwU
assbot: Tech groups aid terror, says UK spy chief - FT.com
mircea_popescu: terrorise all the techs!
mircea_popescu: Most internet users, he adds, “would be comfortable with a better and more sustainable relationship between the [intelligence] agencies and the tech companies”. <<< bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: and nine butch men in prison out of ten would be comfortable with probing Robert Hannigan bunghole.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00072713 = 20.7959 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: jurov: mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: ?
ben_vulpes: re derpy domain names and dns
bounce: http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/03/cody-wilson-of-3d-gun-and-ghost-gunner-f
assbot: Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run : Reason.com
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo <bounce> http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/03/cody-wilson-of-3d-gun-and-ghost-gunner-f
assbot: Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run : Reason.com
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: IMO that guy likes to troll gun control proponents, but even so, why do payment processors feel the need to pass moral judgement on their clients?
mircea_popescu: for the same reason all assholes are assholes : they seek approval of whatever group of idiots they mistook for cool and important.
mircea_popescu: punkman: ;;gettrust assbot delta9 <<< ah yeah you're right.
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc.
assbot: Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: punkbot: [trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc << wait, wut ?!
punkman: there's a user named "#bitcoin-otc", I rated him to see what'd happen
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: what'd happen is thatit threw me for a loop, well done :p
mircea_popescu: and ahhh, lovely days of manageable logs!
nubbins`: so there's a bylaw in this city that you're not allowed to build a deck on your rooftop
nubbins`: the house next door had a rooftop deck, and the owner is a notorious asshole slumlord, so i called the city on him
nubbins`: so he removes the deck from the side of the house, pulls it into the middle of the roof, and WALLS OFF THE ENTRANCE so the deck can't be removed
mircea_popescu: using da gobbinmint to hassle your competitors he ?
nubbins`: now it's just sitting there, rotting, waiting to blow over and kill me while i bbq
nubbins`: mircea_popescu natch
nubbins`: i get in touch with the city about this guy 3-4 times per year
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how a city ends up with the notion it may make a bylaw about whether one can or can not build a deck.
nubbins`: me either. i'd love a rooftop deck
mircea_popescu: esp in fucking twodogs, canada.
mircea_popescu: do you people even get enough sun ?
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare
mircea_popescu: oh, that stupid shit.
nubbins`: yeah. essentially, renovations are not allowed unless you keep your house in the style that was popular after the great fire in 1892
nubbins`: seriously, they regulate the width of the trim you put around your windows
nubbins`: http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/images/gower_st_600.jpg
mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense. i mean yeah, i can appreciate what they're trying to achieve : avoiding towns looking like the owners of property, who are by and large despicable lemmings and would make everything into a bauhaus atrocity.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can actually achieve this goal, just because it's noble, through making laws about it...
mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style.
bounce: how many fires before you lot will start to build in stone?
mircea_popescu: just as appropriate.
nubbins`: well, the great thing about these bylaws is that people can be granted EXCEPTIONS
bounce idly plays with a lighter
mircea_popescu: nubbins` obviously.
nubbins`: so if you wave enough $$$, you can do w/e the fuck you want. build a condo in the battery, w/e
mircea_popescu: which is why i say it's stupid in the first place.
nubbins`: bounce a couple more
mircea_popescu: bounce you don't understand how the building works. if they used stone it'd sink into the ice.
nubbins`: ("what the fuck is the battery?" http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/66399979.jpg)
bounce: just add extra freezers to fix the perma in permafrost
mircea_popescu: that'd cause global cooling.
mircea_popescu: nah, the only solution is icecream housing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` o look! people built houses for their secret goat paramours or ?
nubbins`: no secrets in the battery
nubbins`: half the roads aren't wide enough for cars
bounce: actually kinda weird. can't cool except move heat away and causing extra heat in the process
mircea_popescu: the only way to permanently cool is to enact a government-run heating process.
nubbins`: heh
bounce: you're saying government can defy the laws of thermodynamics?
bounce: IME it's mostly non-functional hot air, rather illustrating the point
mircea_popescu: bounce they would if they could!
mircea_popescu: i mean no, wait.
bounce: ... get a committee to agree
mircea_popescu: they can cuz they will!
bounce: no wai. jfk is dead
mircea_popescu: they could if they wailed ?
bounce: they wail but won't
mircea_popescu: the wontwail.
nubbins`: "the committee: it worked for C++"
nubbins` slaps thigh
bounce: anyway, so essentially anything you do causes entropy by waste heat. eventually heat death of the universe. but where does the energy to heat up come from?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` reported for inappropriate conduct in a business setting.
nubbins`: my own thigh!!!
mircea_popescu: AND condoning SLAVERY
jurov: ben_vulpes: you said your job is herding of the cats, but you have problem with little bitching from me
nubbins`: i'm no ghomeshi
mircea_popescu: bounce the thing you do.
jurov: ben_vulpes: just tell me to move to deadbeef.org and stfu
bounce: cats don't bitch
jurov: then moan
mircea_popescu: jurov but he's cuter as a little bitch
bounce: little bitch cooties
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: lol
bounce: there's no search engine for sound bites, is there?
mircea_popescu: i think it's called nbc
mircea_popescu: The public broadcaster believes its ownership of the smartphone refutes the former radio star’s claim that he was fired because of how he conducted himself in his “private life.” “The contents of that phone belong to the CBC — it’s the CBC’s property,” said a source familiar with‎ the situation.
mircea_popescu: lesson to anyone anywhere : return your company provided gizmos, ask for a raise to compensate. today.
bounce: the IT dept. will thank you so much for having to deal with BYOD now
mircea_popescu: fuck them.
mircea_popescu: company wants to cya, company can pay more for everything.
bounce: this is something where you'd want multiple VMs on the phone. not just "profiles", but (near-)complete OS images to fulfill context-bound functions
mircea_popescu: why even bother ? own the phone, like any fucking artisan owns the tools of his trade.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would a "personality" fall for this bullshit is beyond me.
bounce: even that needs lots of work. so far it's the telcos owning the thing.
mircea_popescu: well, not really. fat on the brain disease.
mircea_popescu: i never "bought" a rented phone so far.
bounce: even so, the OS is clearly geared toward catering for the expected owner, ie not you.
mircea_popescu: if it comes to it, go to zaire, buy phone there, come back, keep it in roaming. company can pay for airplane fare both ways, hotel stay, underage zaire hookers and the roaming fees.
mircea_popescu: bounce no os on phone.
bounce: of course some OS on phone. won't function without it.
mircea_popescu starts whittling
nubbins`: chefs buy and maintain their own knives
mircea_popescu: nubbins` chefs have more sense than these libtard wailchorus muppets.
bounce: and take them to and fro their work too. then run afoul of UK knive legislation.
nubbins`: well y'know. if messy ghomeshi had sense, he wouldn't be in the pickle hes in
mircea_popescu: “There’s nothing stopping the CBC from making a more fulsome disclosure,” he said. “They should be out there making their pitch about what a great organization they are, what their values are, what their processes are, what they’re going to do to ensure this doesn’t happen again, what proactive steps they’ve taken, their support for women in the workplace.”
bounce: I mean, biking to work with a backpack full of knives? totally terrist.
mircea_popescu: ^ how about gtfo, the "public" is not equal to the libtard media, and nobody is to be held at random by randoim fuckwits dictating "what to do"
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck.
jurov: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=788476607859356&set=vb.212653428775013&type=2&theater << mute this immediately after opening
nubbins`: cbc is in a hard place these days. budget has been gutted by conservative govt's. they're less of a "great organization" with "values" every day
mircea_popescu: bounce there are reasons you can't have a decent meal in teh uk.
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/coddingtonbear/ircpdb
assbot: coddingtonbear/ircpdb · GitHub
nubbins`: you're just as likely nowadays to see a headline about two neighbours arguing over a fence
bounce: that was the case well before they passed loads of terrist legislation, though
ben_vulpes: 'cause that's not vulnerable to...stuff.
mircea_popescu: maybe we should buy cbc, make it all about "eat poor people" and "rape is a premier teaching tool"
mircea_popescu: see heads explode.
bounce: head-explodie broadcasting world wide
mircea_popescu: HEBWW!
bounce: not quite right, is it
mircea_popescu: almost sounds like a racial slur that's really ethnical.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` think i could build a deck on my cbc ?
nubbins`: jurov heh epic
nubbins`: mircea_popescu not in this town!!!
nubbins`: bbl sooper srs business meeting
mircea_popescu: build a deck on it!
bounce: needs airwolf for a corporate 'copter
mircea_popescu: someone should install a fighter jet carrier landing gear, complete with snap and everything.
bounce: the arrester wires aren't that much of a problem. it's the catapult that's a pain to maintain.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQWc3KfQIFU <<< the *flploot* sound is priceless.
assbot: Jet Fighter Snaps Cable Landing on Aircraft Carrier.avi - YouTube
nubbins`: businessing complete!
asciilifeform: anyone on u.s. verizon fiber - your dns is being hijacked.
mircea_popescu: reddit police ?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: dat
nubbins`: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/02/ghomeshi-video-fans-sick-1996_n_6090862.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular&ir=Canada+Music
assbot: Jian Ghomeshi Sings 'All My Fans Make Me Sick' In 1996 Video
nubbins`: this is great, every less-than-admirable thing this guy has ever done is bubbling to the surface
nubbins`: the crash and burn will reach temperatures so high that not even soot will remain
jurov: http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-guardians-dark-social-traffic-problem-2014-10 lol
assbot: The Guardian's Dark Social Traffic Problem - Business Insider
jurov: dem social traffickers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00072952 = 4.8878 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Dark traffic is vexing because web publishers like to be able to offer their advertisers solid data on the quality of their readers.
The20YearIRCloud: Is jian ghomeshi really that popular in Canada?
nubbins`: cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you, businessinsider.com, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard
nubbins`: The20YearIRCloud not anymore 8)
nubbins`: for a while, he was a young breath of life in our creaky, aging public broadcaster
The20YearIRCloud: I'd never heard of him till this whole thing
nubbins`: well, you're not canadian :)
nubbins`: have you heard of pamela wallin?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, but i know some of your documentary stars like ricky, bubbles and julian
nubbins`: documentary stars? o.O
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, that trailer park documentary tv show
nubbins`: ;;ud mockumentary
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mockumentary | ... of a documentary and pretends to be a documentary. A mock documentary. The mockumentary "This is Spinal Tap" documents the fictional band Spinal Tap.
The20YearIRCloud: kind of like here comes honey boo boo, but with weed
The20YearIRCloud: I loved that show too
nubbins`: incidentally, an actor on TPB alleged that ghomeshi assaulted her
The20YearIRCloud: Felt really bad for em though
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, he's gonna get messed up once Ricky gets to him
The20YearIRCloud: he's shot people before over hurtin' lucy
PeterL: ;;later tell bingoboingo if you want scoopbot to link to n00dz and tits, you just have to put them in your blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: just so we're clear, you know these people are actors? ;p
The20YearIRCloud: No they're not
nubbins` nods slowly
nubbins`: gotcha
The20YearIRCloud: people think they are, but they aren't, it says on the TV show itself that it's a documentary
nubbins`: ...
The20YearIRCloud: And TV wouldn't lie
nubbins`: oh you
The20YearIRCloud: Especially CANADIAN TV
nubbins`: incidentally, have you seen season 9 of tpb?
The20YearIRCloud: yes, i loved it
The20YearIRCloud: S8 was getting a bit wore out IMO, and S9 was fantastic
nubbins`: yeah, i like jacob's character
nubbins`: he's a pretty good new trevor
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, they've developed him fantastically to replace trevor
The20YearIRCloud: Even better that Trinity is still the same girl :D
nubbins`: heh yep.
nubbins`: we actually published some of jacob's art last year
The20YearIRCloud: At any rate though, i'm shocked that Jian could get away with that stuff with Lucy due to her ranking in the RCAF
The20YearIRCloud: or whatever they term it up there
nubbins`: well i doubt she was an air force captain back then
The20YearIRCloud: Not as high ranking I believe, but she was mid level back then
nubbins`: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.876287569063860.1073741827.307815925911030&type=1&l=96b7490ddb
nubbins`: the blue two-page spread in the bottom row is jacob's
mats_cd03: jian didn't do anything wrong, which is why lucy doesn't matter
nubbins` has a hearty lel
mats_cd03: 'i sucked a dick ... to get outta there ... i didn't like it' -victims
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you, businessinsider.com, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard <<< srsly. dark traffic is best traffic.
nubbins`: if you were a woman alone with a guy who just slammed you against a wall by your throat and punched you in the head, you'd probably suck his dick to get outta there too
mircea_popescu: not as wildly implausible as it sounds.
nubbins`: "fuck you, ghomeshi, i want to leave" followed by a "fuck me? FUCK YOU" and a throat-slitting probably didn't seem wildly implausible at the time, either
mircea_popescu: it's just this thing, a dude that's scared shitless ain't fucking anyone,
mircea_popescu: but a chick probably will.
mircea_popescu: kinda unobvious how this works for anyone that's not either a rapist or in law enforcement, which prolly fuels a lot of the "eh, she's just a slut" backlash.
PeterL: dude scared shitless becomes a chick?
mircea_popescu: essentially.
nubbins`: see: jail
nubbins`: the pervasiveness of the "just a slut" line of thinking is a symptom of such a deep-rooted sickness in society that it's *almost* enough to make you feel pity for the people parroting it
PeterL: who actually says "just a slut"?
nubbins`: so, so, so many people.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, what sickess ?
mircea_popescu: it's normal, and absolutely healthy.
mircea_popescu: it just happens to also be wrong.
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: ;;dict expound
gribble: wn: expound v 1: add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing; "She elaborated on the main ideas in her dissertation" [syn: {elaborate}, {lucubrate}, {expatiate}, {exposit}, {enlarge}, {flesh out}, {expand}, {expound}, {dilate}] [ant: {abbreviate}, {abridge}, {contract}, {cut}, {foreshorten}, {reduce}, {shorten}] 2: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: what next, objects in mirrors being larger than they appear is also a symptom of deep rooted sickness ?
mircea_popescu: it's just a fringe effect of properly functioning vision.
nubbins`: dat broken analogy
mircea_popescu: go on ?
nubbins`: you're equating human behaviour to the physical properties of a curved surface
mircea_popescu: if i may, how objects appear is behaviour.
nubbins`: you may, but you'll need to stretch that dough out a bit further before i can see what sort of loaf you're making
PeterL: "raped girl appears to be slut" === "object in mirror is larger than it appears"?
mircea_popescu: matter of appearences being discussed in both, right ?
mircea_popescu: if it's broken, it's not broken for the reason he offered.
nubbins`: mirror's curved to make the driver more cautious
mircea_popescu: actually to give better field
nubbins`: er, wait, isn't it actually .. yeah
mircea_popescu: PeterL for canonicalness' sake, "object in mirror is larger than it appears" ; "raped girl is more virtuous than she appears".
mircea_popescu: anyway, on a more general note : be careful when you think you've found an incredibly deep rooted sickness.
mircea_popescu: usually, you're pulling on healthy tissue.
nubbins`: speaking of sickness, i visited the rijksmuseum this summer and they had "sicknesses" stuck up all over the collections
PeterL: so I should say "raped girl appears slutty" === "object in mirror appears small"
mircea_popescu: as in what, mirrors ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL cooking with gas.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/svrGDDf
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: heh i see
nubbins`: 500yo prayer nut with a yellow sticky note next to it ;/
nubbins`: but some of them were thought-provoking
mircea_popescu: anyway, to close the previous : human sexuality is built out of transgression. that transgression connotes sexuality is unavoidable given this. obviously lots of dumb shit will grow on that fertile ground, such as rape, or the puritan church. large ship, lotsa barnacles.
nubbins`: now there's something to chew on
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/
assbot: Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/
assbot: Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals
PeterL: so the bot was running fine, but then it says "killed", any idea why it would do that?
mircea_popescu: got a kill signal ?
PeterL: why would it get a kill signal?
ben_vulpes: out of memory?
ben_vulpes: there are so many things that could have happened.
PeterL: hmm, not even sure where to start looking?
ben_vulpes: does it say "killed" in some kind of logs? were you running it in a terminal?
ben_vulpes: like...
ben_vulpes: man...
PeterL: I was running it in a terminal
mircea_popescu: so what do you do when you go to sleep ?
ben_vulpes: well step one figure out how to daemonize a processes on your operating system is
ben_vulpes: s/is//
mircea_popescu: nohup ?
mircea_popescu: :D
PeterL: I had it running on nohup before, but it still dropped
PeterL: this time I was just watching it to see what would happen in a terminal
mircea_popescu: well so dig in logs see what sent it a sigterm or w/e it was
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic : sigkill does not go to the kernel. it goes to... init!
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/
assbot: Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/
assbot: Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/short-term-update-trade-idea-for-next-24-48-hrs/
assbot: Short Term Update: Trade idea for next 24-48 hrs | Bitcoin Trading Signals
scoopbot: New post on Bitcoin Trading Signals by Enky: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/long-term-update-weekly-chart/
assbot: Long Term Update: Weekly Chart | Bitcoin Trading Signals
mircea_popescu: !down scoopbot
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/ << pls to insert deedlink ?
assbot: ATC Closing Statement | Bingo Blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17361 @ 0.00072952 = 12.6652 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i just read a claim that kind of astonishes me
ben_vulpes: "power law distributions are notable for having no stable mean, and infinite variance."
ben_vulpes: is this true?
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: both of these being why they're such big fucking problems for human society.
ben_vulpes: well damn.
ben_vulpes: source: http://blog.hut8labs.com/coding-fast-and-slow.html?reddit
assbot: Coding, Fast and Slow: Developers and the Psychology of Overconfidence
mircea_popescu: as an aside : socialism, in mathematical terms, is defined as "don't you worry your pretty head, power laws don't exist"
ben_vulpes: better: http://blog.hut8labs.com/coding-fast-and-slow.html
assbot: Coding, Fast and Slow: Developers and the Psychology of Overconfidence
mircea_popescu: directly equivalent to "don't you worry your pretty head, the black holes won't devour your soul along with anything you ever touched."
ben_vulpes: because socialism assumes or posits a stable mean.
mircea_popescu: nah, manageable variance.
mircea_popescu: (well, variance = 0 in the degenerate case)
mircea_popescu: (infinite variance and undefinied mean are not in fact different mathematical realities, merely two perceptibles of the same one(
mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/Q58x7Zrm
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Bingo, Please send PC1's - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: hm.
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: o hey i used this!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the mere fact that something so stupid as ;;later tell ^ reference actually works is testament to the incredible coolness of technologies deployed here.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-october-2014-statement/ << poor mpif.
assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/11/03/eris-industries-leaks-week-1/
assbot: Eris Industries Leaks – week 1 | Preston Byrne
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell peterl wouldja throw prestonbryne.com into the feeds?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: s/There is no pre-sale. There are no tokens. /There is no pre-sale. There are no takers. /
mircea_popescu: my2c
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now why would i want to read the "business vc" spam in the irc chat ?
mircea_popescu: im here to get away from the idiocy.
ben_vulpes: wth is enky's pricetalk doing in there then
mircea_popescu: srsly.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the bot got devoiced.
mircea_popescu: "let us announce that we're not reading anything but will be making software". tyvm, go to techcrunch already.
ben_vulpes: aight, aight.
mircea_popescu: no i must fume more!
asciilifeform: !s chukcha reader
assbot: 2 results for 'chukcha reader' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chukcha+reader
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and ironically enough this guy was already the recipient of a stuf and learn to read, bitch. but no, on he goes. "let me write software to improve girlfriends. oh, i've never had a girlfriend. but it's A SWINGER PARTY so it;'s all okaty right ?"
mircea_popescu: no dude. fucking swinger parties specifically boot young single males. because nobody wants them. boo hoo.
mircea_popescu: open source is for when you know how to code, not for when you can't find a job with any of the closed source sweatshops.
mircea_popescu: there should be a conviciton of forced labour @alcatel
punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15JE3s5a
asciilifeform: butugychag.
mircea_popescu: actually fuck that. there should be a draft. russian style, all males over 18 spend two years coding under the whip.
mircea_popescu: no human contact and once a week laundry. just like a grad dorm.
asciilifeform: that's quite like the school i went to.
asciilifeform: 'mortification of the flesh' via 'compilers 4xx' and 'operating systems 4xx'
mircea_popescu: "get out when you write a duke nukem in asm"
asciilifeform: not a factory of heroes by any measure, no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heroes are the product of factories in the same sense weapon grade uranium is
mircea_popescu: the factories in question are called separation plants.
mircea_popescu: punkman could whitespace to the left of Recent bundles lines be used to include a truncated list of contributor names ?
mircea_popescu: s/left/otherleft/
asciilifeform: in that sense, perhaps. but know that i left with the distinct impression that most of the folks standing for the final exam were masters of cribbing.
mircea_popescu: no final exams. time only.
asciilifeform: the proverbial roaches standing after the nukefest.
mircea_popescu: two years of having to wash toilets with toothbrush for having declared the pointers wrongly.
ben_vulpes: with that much meat standing around you could implement sexps in hardware again.
mircea_popescu: ins'allah.
mircea_popescu: actually this is starting to take shape in my head. the male obnoxious adolescent camps could be like 3-400 miles north of nubbins' deck.
mircea_popescu: whereas the female obnoxious adolescent camps could be in a swamp. they may wear whatever they make themselves, gotta build swamphouses out of planks they make themselves and gotta spend 6 hours a day looking for pearls in the muck.
mircea_popescu: thenb they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras and other jewelries and selling them on etsy.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 15JE3s5ar1R8NKMc2F5BJcexCpsg4S8nmm | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15JE3s5a
mircea_popescu: i gotta say, this was one of the most satisfying fuming sessions in recent memory.
asciilifeform: they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras << aren't they already ?
asciilifeform: or 'tiaras' here in this gedankenexperiment are cock rings ?
mircea_popescu: well, you will notice how my outrageous hell exactly describes actual reality.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of the exercise.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/#comment-52635
assbot: ATC Closing Statement | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check out how motorized & mechanized we are nao hey!
punkbot: [trust-update] | removed: #bitcoin-otc
BingoBoingo gets to logs
mircea_popescu: punkman maybe also name names ? [trust-update] | punkman removed #bitcoin-otc ; blabla
punkman: mircea_popescu: that'd be tricky
mircea_popescu: ah then nm
punkman: btw mpif bbet pending gain: 0.03 pot odds, 3.0 hanbot odds
mircea_popescu: im not sure what that meanz
BingoBoingo: Oh, this happened http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/11/04/172239/court-order-butterfly-labs-bitcoins-to-be-sold << Qntra
assbot: Court Order: Butterfly Labs Bitcoins To Be Sold - Slashdot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: waterfall needs water.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed it does. Media needs audience too.
BingoBoingo: Historian need stone tablets too
punkman: mircea_popescu: that's how much BTC the unresolved bets are worth if pot-favored side wins or hanbot-favored side wins
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how did you think usg would grab cheap coin that it could sell even cheaper? by praying?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I see this as the USG telegraphing the rectotherm future
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wd!
mircea_popescu: im looking into getting it some mainstream media linkage too.
BingoBoingo: And to think first post was 33 days ago
mircea_popescu: bs paypal.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a paypal payment for me ?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: any indication of how many btc?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Not in the court order.
mircea_popescu: !up huseby
BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/tx-index/3c32fb3a29c078a81c40b6d88865e87bd80229a03c75b4c51fc784c79f64e117 PC1 is closed
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 3c32fb3a29c078a81c40b6d88865e87bd80229a03c75b4c51fc784c79f64e117
mircea_popescu: totally got to get more pcs in that thing.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i can do paypal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52010 @ 0.00073032 = 37.9839 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/stripe-breaks-up-with-cody-wilson/
assbot: Stripe Breaks Up With Cody Wilson | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla the next quantcast qntra stats should be inspiring
gribble: The operation succeeded.
diametric: oh cody wilson.
BingoBoingo: Another story on him coming soon.
rithm: coming soon
asciilifeform: imho the bugger's a usg agent provocateur.
diametric: he's an attention whore, i've talked to him before.
asciilifeform: the end result of his work will be that the m16 trigger spring part is declared regulated by royal fiat
diametric: he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit
rithm: the trigger itself will be classified NFA
asciilifeform: how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!'
kakobrekla: >2000 coinbase.com accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC.
kakobrekla: ;;calc 17/2000
gribble: 0.0085
kakobrekla: eh?
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-r-wilson-announces-candidacy-for-vessenes-bitcoin-foundations-board/ << Now he wants to feed Buterin's Waterfall
assbot: Cody R Wilson Announces Candidacy for Vessenes' Bitcoin Foundation's Board | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/529739888674209794
assbot: So much /Radomysisky news today http://t.co/rwy10OVjGp /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/ButerinsWaterfall?src=hash
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i only just woke up but i am euphoric because of quantcast
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It won't show the interesting stuff for another 20 hours or so
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall.
cazalla: jurov: and it would help to give the context what did you ask <<< i didn't get answers to my questions, we just talked about bitcoin a little
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!' << Depends on how well they obey their leash. But every now and then you get a Hal Turner.
asciilifeform: pediwikia b0rk3d ?
asciilifeform: or is my dns cache still poisoned.
cazalla: jurov: cazalla what is inercia? <<< i'm just quoting the guy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << I guess I have homework now.
BingoBoingo: Hal Turner, FBI crackpot magnet who got too into his schtick for his handler's liking http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/north_bergen_blogger_accused_o.html
assbot: North Bergen blogger accused of threatening federal judges is held without bail | NJ.com
asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
asciilifeform: 'but i didn't sign up to suck cok in the cellar for the whole battalion!'
asciilifeform: 'shuddup and oil the compressor'
cazalla: that guy got trolled so hard by 4chan
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes the handled has a longer lifespan than the handler expects. Like pet tortoises or parrots that get passed down by different generations, because why the fuck would they live longer than 7 sequential dogs.
BingoBoingo: !up johntraveller
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinero-project-seeks-150000-for-bitcoin-gift-cards/ <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc. <<< few too many last night, guy got snippy and well that is the result
assbot: Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: yea
johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 6C24 1224 C966 76FC CDDF 58A0 883D 1DD1 A66C 3321
gribble: Error: '6C24' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072987 = 8.9774 BTC [-]
johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 1985ABFE62E43615
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mircea_popescu: <diametric> he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit << actually ?! by hand ?!
johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 883D1DD1A66C3321
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mircea_popescu: !up bobmcmillan
johntraveller: damn
diametric: mircea_popescu: in his earlier days, he also has some bots that come in from time to time to linkspam.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> eh? << sounds exactly right.
mircea_popescu: and now thing they gotta do "kyc" for that.
mircea_popescu: people worth under a bitcent aren't even worth knowing.
mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << yeah prolly not a bad blog idea.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept <<< this, srsly. as all the various prettygirls are to soon find out, their choices aren't exactly what they thought they would be.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x6C241224C96676FCCDDF58A0883D1DD1A66C3321 << you're not seen yet.
assbot: No results found
mircea_popescu: should take about an hour or so for the stuff to propagate, provided you sent it properly.
cazalla: anyway, i update that post with the log of our chat, i guess i was a little harsh but he would only give me fluff
mircea_popescu: !up Roeland_van_Vlaa
johntraveller: cheers, I just added myself - found the otc wiki instructions
mircea_popescu: ;;ident johntraveller
gribble: Nick 'johntraveller', with hostmask 'johntraveller!~isaac@5751fa19.skybroadband.com', is not identified.
cazalla: nubbins`: the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare <<< we have maintain the facade regulations in some parts of Melbourne, i like it tbh, it's the one part of town that looks nice
ben_vulpes: johntraveller: where'd you hear about -assets?
mircea_popescu: "Turner wrote on his blog June 2 that three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" for their decision in a case involving ordinances banning handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park."
mircea_popescu: check it out, this constitutes a threat now.
mircea_popescu: maybe they really do deserve to be killed ?
johntraveller: ben_vulpes: xenosystems
ben_vulpes: haha neat
johntraveller: speaking of, I was reading mp’s critique of yarvin
johntraveller: your criticism was good but you picked two weak articles of his to nitpick
mircea_popescu: well whatever i happened to fall upon.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller anyway, waht is that xenosystems thing ? and generally, explain for public benefit wtf this entire thing is, we lack an expert.
johntraveller: “this entire thing” = neoreaction?
johntraveller: so xenosystems is the blog of nick land
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. i guess so ?
johntraveller: ok I’ll give as accurate a condensed overview as I can
mircea_popescu: cool.
johntraveller: with the obvious caveat I’m describing a fiarly heteregenous group of people and ideas so my summary will contain my own bias
mircea_popescu: only lies are without bias.
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
johntraveller: so moldbug/yarvin was a typical california libertarian who dropped a lot of acid
johntraveller: i believe hans-herman hoppe (classical lib who wrote an anti-democracy tract) turned him onto anti-democracy
johntraveller: so he started looking up other anti-dem sources, eventually came across carlyle, to a lesser extent froude
johntraveller: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/from-mises-to-carlyle-my-sick-journey.html
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: From Mises to Carlyle: my sick journey to the dark side of the force
mircea_popescu: cazalla check out uptake en espanol : http://elbitcoin.org/banqueros-bitcoin-quiere-comerse-nuestro-almuerzo/ http://burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/497459-hilo-oficial-del-bitcoin-vi-822.html etc
assbot: Banqueros: ¡Bitcoin quiere comerse nuestro almuerzo! - Bitcoin en Español
asciilifeform burning in xorg hell
johntraveller: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html < and this is a good overview of moldbug’s post-libertarian framework.
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: A formalist manifesto
johntraveller: http://moldbuggery.blogspot.co.uk/ < here’s an archive
assbot: Moldbuggery
bounce: fighting with hald/dbus/udevd/*kit/systemd/whatever?
mircea_popescu: johntraveller okay. so basically it's this blogger and his commenters ?
asciilifeform: bounce: nope. box with 'nvidia optimus' demented chipset, fed to screen through 'intel i915', that won't initialize.
mircea_popescu: o look how cute, stan is gpu mining :D
johntraveller: http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png < kinda. a bunch of pre-existing online communities started to find each other, and moldbug was a key node in that graph
asciilifeform: lol, if only
bounce: so trying to setup whatever it was named, piping intel->nvidia video?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice! here's to it continuing
mircea_popescu: johntraveller actually that thing was linked here previously.
mircea_popescu: !s http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png
assbot: 0 results for 'http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fdark-enlightenment-map-1-5.png
cazalla: i wonder how they are finding qntra
mircea_popescu: meh i bet it was.
asciilifeform: bounce: http://pastebin.com/S6PzpMQ4 << blank screen.
assbot: [ 2988.945] X.Org X Server 1.15.0 Release Date: 2013-12-27 [ 2988.945] X P - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: cazalla wink wink
jurov noticed his mailman addon looks exactly like a tumor, in other news
xanthyos: thanks for retweeting that BingoBoingo i might now buy this https://www.etsy.com/listing/168455782/grammar-expletive-novelty-funny-mug?ref=sr_gallery_32&ga_search_query=grammar+mug&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery
assbot: Grammar Expletive Novelty Funny Mug by TwistedEnvyRhineston
asciilifeform: bounce: line 108,109, 161 notable.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller i know because at the time i had my research follow the thing to try and ascertain wtf this is from outside. the response came out as most of hte nodes are either tiny or long abandoned blogs, and pretty much nothing stil active.
asciilifeform: bounce: i'm stuck with this machine in the field, and it gets 1 fps or so when running solely using 'intel' card switched on (which works)
mircea_popescu: (most of the blogs other than the pua stuff, that is)
bounce: no root or selinux being annoying or something?
asciilifeform: bounce: nope.
bounce hasn't fought with xorg in a long time. not impressed by that bunch though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you using nvidia's binary driver ?
asciilifeform: tried both the evil and the good one.
mircea_popescu: but did you purge the files in between tries ?
asciilifeform: yes.
bounce: looks like the nvidia part isn't the problem, but the intel part is.
asciilifeform: (classic mistake, yes)
mircea_popescu: remmeber, this is ubuntu, ie a linux implementation of windows
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: interesting. I would say the most active pre-existing groups (in order of size) were the manosphere guys, the HBD/white nationalist bloggers, the ‘orthosphere’ (a bunch of catholic bloggers), the lesswrong crowd
asciilifeform: gentoo.
asciilifeform: although arguably a box with the blog driver may as well be a winblows box
mircea_popescu: johntraveller isn't the lesswrong crowd flamingly libtard ?
asciilifeform: *blob
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15647 @ 0.00073096 = 11.4373 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: yes. but there’s a fringe of right-wing people (who have been slowly leaving)
mircea_popescu: so basically "this" isn't really anything, is it ? random wave at a rave.
bounce: as a totally wild guess, could try and stop nvidia from modesetting so the intel thing gets to do it
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: prior to 2012, yes. but since about a year or two ago people have started to cluster around the ‘neoreactionary’ label. that image is the meta-community growing self-aware
mircea_popescu: jurov better a software tumor of the mailman than a malignant tumor of the sexware!
johntraveller: xenosystems, twitter and 8chan.co/duck are the main gathering places
bounce: googling gives a couple of instant brainrot inducing "solutions". man, freedesktop is bad for the brain and no mistake.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller which brings us to the next question. how do you distinguish this from the usual usg psyops ? astroturfing/trolling for pseudo-communities ?
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: oh very interesting question
asciilifeform: bounce: tried it and 1000 things
bounce: alright, n'mind me then
mircea_popescu: johntraveller chan's kinda on the fence re moldbug. you can search for him to get the various discussions if you care.
cazalla: kakobrekla: >2000 coinbase.com accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC. <<< a lot of the accounts were empty from the sample bitcomsec provide
johntraveller: someone on HN claimed as such https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=75BCD67
assbot: 75BCD67's comments | Hacker News
asciilifeform: mr mold is a junkyard dog, with all that it entails. did not grow up with classical education, no latin, no greek. me neither.
johntraveller: I emailed the guy but he seemed massively tinfoil
asciilifeform: junkyard dog is doomed to eat what he can.
johntraveller: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, I followed a bunch of the NRx guys for a long time as I hadn’t encountered anyone else saying the same things. but I got bored after a while, they clearly don’t have any plans or goals
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone eats what they can. it's just that for a few that doesn't come out of a can.
johntraveller: #bitcoin-assets, however...
mircea_popescu: we don't have a plan either. who the fuck needs plans when you got wmd.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: the worst thing, arguably, that ever happened to mr mold, is the 'moldosphere'
asciilifeform: johntraveller: as i gather, he saw the quality of the 'followers' and went full perelman.
bounce: words of musing and distraction
johntraveller: asciilifeform: yup, I’d agree with that. he himself said he had enough friends, he wanted better critics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform strange that he tried to copy bitcoin but didn't manage to think of the assbot voice.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you put this under "no greek"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik he did not copy, initially, but marched on with his pre-2009 turdcoin
asciilifeform: i could've easily went there.
asciilifeform: along with 1000 other people
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear about someone other than mr mold, who did this
mircea_popescu: perhaps i overstate. but fuck it, someone's gotta.
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
asciilifeform: other thing is, when reading his 'i'm a surrender monkey, usg cannot be killed' posts, must remember that he's a 'tenured sea cucumber' in the sense that he keeps a dependopotamus, it birthed children, and he knows he won't be making it out of the gravity pit.
mircea_popescu avoids starting a rant on the topic as he's ranted recently and is well rantsated :D
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu already did this essay
asciilifeform: !s cuckolding
assbot: 18 results for 'cuckolding' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cuckolding
asciilifeform: that one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have this earlier convo burnished in my memory, me: "you know, it's quite possible you'll die there" op: "eh, fuckit. i'm too old anyway." me: "you're twenty four!"
johntraveller: asciilifeform: yeah. I also get the sense he hasn’t travelled much. living abroad makes it much easy to see your own cultural matrix, so to speak
mircea_popescu: guy had a pretty gf and a two year old kid. too old, iho.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: afaik his stepfather, usg diplomat, dragged him to several places around the empire
asciilifeform: cyprus, he wrote about, possibly elsewhere
mircea_popescu: johntraveller so where've you been ?
johntraveller: asciilifeform: oh yeah, you’re right. my theory was that people like MP or taleb, who grew up in somewhat sane cultures, instinctively see the craziness of anglo-american ideas. if you grew up in the english speaking world it’s harder to see that
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, it's very easy to see the craziness of romanian o wait. nope. listen, somehow english speakers had a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how and exactly where ro nonsense was broken, back in the 90s.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: outside of the anglo world, there is (or at least, until recently, was) a bacchanalia of xenophiliac idiocy ('let's copy usa! they have cadillacs and we have trabant, they must be clever')
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: spent a couple of years in china and a year in HK, visited malaysia, india, tibet, phillipines, algeria and a bunch of european coutnries
mircea_popescu: o hey nice! do you speak chinese ?
asciilifeform: !s luxor business center
assbot: 0 results for 'luxor business center' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=luxor+business+center
johntraveller: kinda though I’m a bit rusty
mircea_popescu: you looking for work ? we still need chinese coverage.
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: not looking for work but definitely open to btc-related projects
mircea_popescu: johntraveller one major thing is that qntra doesn't/can't quite follow chinese language news atm. if you can bridge that gap there's glory in there.
BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: Definitely a glory hole in qntra's coverage there
jurov: today is the ipo, tomorrow is GLORY
mircea_popescu: also i wish it entered into the record that romania was at no point during its ~2500ish year history sane. not ever.
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: so I’m moving back to china in a couple of weeks. (working with my russian friend on a bunch of mobile-related projects). depending on how much money there is in it, my 1st thought is find a local finance student who could research/write part-time?
asciilifeform: china projects << gonna build iPnohes?
bounce: if you can find someone with decent english
jurov: johntraveller: the qntra writers are rewarded by shares
bounce: what sort of projects?
johntraveller: sadly not that exciting. mostly stuff around mobile marketing. my friend is the kind of guy involved in multiple pies though
mircea_popescu: johntraveller fluent foreigner is usually a better model than local esl, but maybe worth a shot.
bounce has a phone spec in mind that could stand building
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: hmm, maybe I should organise a couple local guys to do research and I write it up in english?
mircea_popescu: that may be a steamrollin' arrangement.
mircea_popescu: bounce o.o. secret spec ?
bounce: totally
chetty: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/27267243/gas-now-cheaper-than-milk
assbot: Gas now cheaper than milk - New York News
mircea_popescu: chetty well, you can snif gas.
bounce: more like, have a couple drafts laying around, should probably try and merge them
mircea_popescu: bounce aren't phones one of those things you gotta make 1mn units min ?
rithm: milk per-gallon has always been relatively high priced
chetty: I would go for a phone I knew didnt have n*a in it
bounce: have shop run up a sample or two and I'd be happy really
asciilifeform: chetty: much of what folks object to re: phones happens on the tower end.
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: chetty: the only exception, really, is the 'pwned phone listens at all times' and 'pwned phone dumps www/mail logins to pwner'
bounce: yes, and to fix that you'd really need to redesign the protocol
chetty: true, but we do what little we can ...(mostly I use the off button atm)
bounce: you could make a phone that gives you as much insight and control as available; this is quite a bit more than currently available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if mail is used correctly (send/received armored gpg blobs) this yields no further information than already available.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated johntraveller
bounce: and do a network side that isn't as full of holes as the current crop, and do proper separation, and provide a full off of the wireless side while leaving the other functions available, and so on.
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mircea_popescu: ;;rated johntraveller 1 voice.
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mircea_popescu: johntraveller voice yerself.
mircea_popescu: bounce i'd be happy with os stacks that didn't make world depend on internet etc.
mircea_popescu: much easier to do, still undone.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/
assbot: Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "There is no motherfucking reason conceivable or inconceivable that x.org should depend on netbase." i say!
bounce: freedesktop.org needs to die, more or less
mircea_popescu: how about compiz ?
mircea_popescu: gdm ?
mircea_popescu: gvfs ?
thestringpuller: lol compiz always reminded me of macs
mircea_popescu: for good reason.
kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/
assbot: BitBet Stats
mircea_popescu: 10% not bad
kakobrekla: imma guess its someone from ba
mircea_popescu: johntraveller to voice yourself, pm assbot !up
johntraveller: thanks, I did already, was just reading more about qntra
mircea_popescu: ah cool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if mail is used correctly << consequences of hijacked mailbox are still ugly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: esp. given all the idiot www gadgets that don't use pgp, and allow mail-based pw resets
asciilifeform: e.g., fiat banks, www hosts, public utilities
mircea_popescu: ah, the blessings of not actually using any of those.
asciilifeform: even in the most elementary case, using none of these, pwner can lock you out of own mailbox
asciilifeform: not necessarily fatal, but quite unpleasant if that was your sole means of contact with somebody.
asciilifeform: he can also 'be you' to any moron who isn't asking for pgp sig, and impersonate, and summon gasenwagen, etc.
mircea_popescu: you really should own the box.
asciilifeform: which box?
asciilifeform: mail server? sure.
mircea_popescu: mail@box
asciilifeform: but original thread was about the perils of pNohes
johntraveller: bounce: a dutch entrepreneur in the city I’m moving to had his own tablet built a few years back
asciilifeform: the kind which contain login creds
bounce: cost?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i got nothin'.
chetty: dont use fingerprint, usg says you have no privacy rights with those
asciilifeform: 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero?
mircea_popescu: you know, ever since the photo debate with bounce a few days ago, i'm kinda curious to see this photography drone gadget. imagine all the YOLO picutres taken by this orbiting drone thing.
mircea_popescu: + much better homemade porn
asciilifeform: chetty: afaik the 'fingerprint' pnohes are intended to keep the common pickpocket out of your cached logins, until you can send remote-zap command
mircea_popescu: how much would this cost to make ?
asciilifeform: chetty: rather than serious enemy
bounce: drone with camera is pretty much COTS?
asciilifeform: the typical flight time of the various extant machines is about half hour.
mircea_popescu: bounce but one specifically optimised for the role of following you around taking pictures of things. like a sort of gopro with ai.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> + much better homemade porn << noisy as shit though
asciilifeform: then, 4-5 hrs. of charger.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "if you can hear Shooty you're not fucking her right" as a slogan ?
asciilifeform: can mitigate, to some extent, with a return-to-base and cell swap gambit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform better yet, thing should know where the batteries are kept, fly over, change ITSELF. let the spare charge.
asciilifeform: at some point, some joker somewhere will build the one that latches onto and inductively charges from aerial mains cables
asciilifeform: bringing the inevitable chaos
mircea_popescu: shit that's a great idea.
mircea_popescu: omfg now i really want one.
asciilifeform: they'll be retrofitted with mumetal shields, at ruinous public expense, i bet
mircea_popescu: THIS will be the next step in b-a terrorism.
bounce: that'd be entirely out of spite, not for actual need
mircea_popescu: bounce spite is the only real engine of human progress.
asciilifeform: kinder, gentler option: streetlights
bounce: those things aren't loss-free
johntraveller: bounce: dunno about cost. I don’t think he went especially ‘custom’, though lots of chinese firms have been making custom handsets with custom android mods.
asciilifeform: streetlight, unlike sol, is a very concentrated source of light
asciilifeform: easy to charge from.
asciilifeform: custom android mods << lol. snore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it, a cop-filming, revenge-porn-making, electrictity stealing personal dronepet!
johntraveller: asciilifeform: maybe some chinese kid will try and build his own lisp machine. sadly they’re not there yet
asciilifeform: johntraveller: chinese kid with semiconductors plant.
mircea_popescu: they exist.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: and own logic cell library, own synthesis toolchain.
bounce would want (feature)phone hardware with full access and docs, add s/w myself
asciilifeform: can exist, why not
asciilifeform: on the moon, perhaps a piece of fine roquefort cheese exists.
ben_vulpes: why not just do it with sdr?
bounce: of the feature phone OS kind, no full linux and shit
mircea_popescu: bounce afaik there is still no good phone os
asciilifeform: full access and docs << strictly banned in usa (and possibly eu)
mircea_popescu: there's either android, samsung retarded linux port or mac-whatever that is.
ben_vulpes: why should there be a "phone" object instead of a thing one plugs into computers that provides a /dev/phone?
bounce: well, that's why you order the things built in shenzen
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: /dev/phone right here!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so you want your phone to be irc ?
asciilifeform: chicom dongles, about $10 in qty. 1
asciilifeform: closed firmware though. but they take 'hayes modem' commands and present a pcm device for voice.
ben_vulpes: i want to hook into the cell network from my laptop; make/receive calls etc
mircea_popescu: (why would someone with a computer use a phone)
bounce is initially thinking of something like the 6310, only updated hardware. can easily still be b/w lcd. no need for fancy shit there.
ben_vulpes: you're all right
ben_vulpes hangs head
asciilifeform: why would someone with a computer use a phone << dial-up from phonebooth in $turdworldshithole ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uhm.
mircea_popescu: anywhere has cable by now.
asciilifeform: fallback comms for cut fiber?
bounce: heck, put a e-ink display on it. though those exist in sorta-colour too
asciilifeform: quite a few folks have wireless gizmos for fallback
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you'd use the "phone" to push text anyway.
asciilifeform: phone does not presume voice.
bounce: nope. plenty of places have nothing but dialup over rusty barbed wire
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but the only actual point of calling, ie voice, would be a woman, and rather than call (ie, on phone) i'd always prefer to call (ie, bitch get on plane)
bounce: yeah, you are
mircea_popescu: you all grew up in crazy places!
asciilifeform: cat bitch_number_hayes.txt >> bitch_get_on_phone.wav >> /dev/phone
bounce: 'sides, the point of building a phone is to have access to all the capabilities on offer with the networks it gives access to
asciilifeform: wai wat?
mircea_popescu: but canonical form is gpg --encrypt --armor -r bitch "get on plane" | curl --post http://bitcherrarium.net
bounce: so I'd have modem and fax support as well as voice and sms and whatnot. whether you use it is up to you.
asciilifeform: fax?!
mircea_popescu: srsly. fax ?!
bounce: yes, absolutely.
mircea_popescu: why not teletype ?
asciilifeform: telex!
mircea_popescu: yeah that one.
bounce: sure. though +/- 30v is a bit of a pain. and anyway, nobody does that these days, you'd interface through a 'net gateway somewhere.
mircea_popescu: unlike fax ?!
bounce: but having "an app" to talk to such a gateway would be on the list
mircea_popescu: bounce you seriously duly received an actual fax in the course of business ?
mircea_popescu: no monkey business and no funny stuff mind you!
bounce: I sent a couple
mircea_popescu: so did i. both to... uspto! of all places
mircea_popescu: because idiots.
asciilifeform keeps a fax in consulting office. it is used only for usg.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: afaik no one else bothers with fac
asciilifeform: fax
asciilifeform: facks.
mircea_popescu: fux
bounce: used a faxmodem. good for talking to gov't but also for bypassing phone queues
bounce: instead of waiting in the queue, write letter, fax, get reception receipt
bounce: carries law protection and the receipt is valid in court
bounce: so yeah, fax.
mircea_popescu folds.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i bet there's still a battalion at ft meade in charge of curating a library of sploits for fax machines.
asciilifeform: i bet they're just dying of boredom. won't somebody help.
bounce: I don't *plan* on using that sort of thing, but if I'm building a phone it's gotta have the capability
bounce: just like it needs csd for dialup as well as crypto voice support
mircea_popescu: the "i don't plan to use the capability" thing makes me wonder : isn't it strange that "infertility" isn't the leading thing in dating sites and comedian's routines re dating sites ?
mircea_popescu: gals want a guy that's funny and whatever, guy wants a girl that's infertile.
asciilifeform: go verify.
bounce: apropos, fax is still popular in japan, apparently. great for quick sketches and notes. take picture, fax. sure why not.
mircea_popescu: i should have heard this joke to death by now, neh ?
mircea_popescu: bounce that's because their language fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: by the time you explain what you want you could have drawn it five times over.
bounce: more reason to support it then
mircea_popescu: you are aware i folded in utter defeat like fifty lines up yes ?
dub has had to fax in the last couple of years
bounce: there's a bigger pattern here though
asciilifeform: 'reflection technologies' had, around 1990, a prototype of a pocket phone that sent, received faxes, and view through ocular
asciilifeform: (similar to this one, also theirs, http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html )
assbot: Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display
asciilifeform: afaik went nowhere.
dub: telco still goes to retarded lengths to maintain fax compat
asciilifeform: even voip lines from various carriers work fine at 14.4kbaud.
asciilifeform verified this personally
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that's mandated, buried in the license language somewhere 500 pages deep
asciilifeform: although, on second thought, not sure if it was pumping the full 14.4. there's auto-rate in there.
asciilifeform: 'POTS' (voice telephone) service exists pretty much at the decree of usg, mainly for its own purposes
asciilifeform: (in usa, naturally)
asciilifeform: even the automagic bugging machine mandated at every telco switch is specified, in grindingly pedantic detail, in a dead tree standards doc
asciilifeform: incidentally, these are usually accessed via www now, and quite a few have been loudly pwned
mircea_popescu: even more, silently.
asciilifeform: (gone are the days when a live monkey had to plug a tape recorder into your pair)
mircea_popescu: which is why the "terrorist" members of the public don't want the government to have "capabilities"
bounce: IIRC they demodulate the fax and send the data over voip, then remodulate on the other end (or just hand you the fax data, if they can)
asciilifeform: bounce: it's all packets, probably less than 1km from where you stand.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? << From slate with frame is a couple hours, input device is chalk
bounce: yeah, but "packets" with modulated fax signal in a sampled-and-compressed voice channel is rather tricky to get right. better to demodulate the fax and send the data.
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pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: well... it's a culture...
pete_dushenski: my nearest meatspace approximation is the masons w/o the symbols
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu tis certainly a culture
pete_dushenski: and one with a structure quite unfamiliar to the western reader
pete_dushenski: so like everything else bad and trolling and terrorist mkay, it's hard to distinguish it from a cult
pete_dushenski: a cult of course being conventiently ill defined
pete_dushenski: and at 3000 words, this makes the longest piece yet on the pages of contravex
mircea_popescu: The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals. "The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.
mircea_popescu: cute huh.
mircea_popescu: police breaking down door, which obviously imperils someone - such as the random bystander, is a-ok. naming agents however MIGHT imperil someone, such as an asshole abusing his offical status to powerplay. this is very un-ok.
mircea_popescu: fatlogic.
pete_dushenski: fatstatelogic
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-4486 << this morin kid just keeps motorin'
assbot: Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i thought you two were irl buddies or something
pete_dushenski: he's from around here and i recognize the name...
pete_dushenski: just can't put a face to it
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: i guess i should start a special service. "for only one small pile of internet funbux, i will viciously insult one commenter on your blog entirely out of left side. cheaper than hiring indians to write comments, funnier too."
pete_dushenski: lol you'd be oversubscribed and end up closing mpex to focus on this "real work"
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess ima have to keep doing it on an amateur basis.
pete_dushenski: god this hotel lounge is fucking perfect, even if this old fashioned is watered down
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu even funbux corrupt. prolly better this way.
pete_dushenski: cazalla BingoBoingo http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fredrik-neij-pirate-bay-co-founder-arrested-in-thailand-1.2822840
assbot: Fredrik Neij, Pirate Bay co-founder, arrested in Thailand - World - CBC News
pete_dushenski: ^ thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: o.O
jurov: did anyone try to send patches as decribed on btc-dev page?
ben_vulpes: several days ago
ben_vulpes: it worked so i didn't poke at it further
jurov: ben_vulpes: but i added the rules only yesterday
jurov: ben_vulpes and what about the move to 0xdeadbeef.org or such?
mircea_popescu: "Regional Immigration Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Chartchai Eimsaeng said a U.S.-based movie association had hired a Thai lawyer to search for Neij, and his photo had been given to immigration police in Nong Khai." herp.
ben_vulpes cries
ben_vulpes: so many things
ben_vulpes: w/r/t domain, do you have nameservers
ben_vulpes: ?
jurov: i can set up
ben_vulpes: plz do then tell mircea_popescu what they are and (pretty please) he will configure records appropriately
jurov: what is the domain exactly?
ben_vulpes: f9beb4d9.org
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have a look later this arvo, things to do this morning
mircea_popescu: !up themediator
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style. << because progress. it's completely tragic how badly alberta's original building stock has been treated. perfectly lovely neoclassical buildings are now surface parking lots.
pete_dushenski: and in 600ad, even 1850ad, it was just... teepees
mircea_popescu: teepees are better for the environment!
mircea_popescu: make them out of plastic!
pete_dushenski: or the skins of your enemies. either way
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes jurov dns updated.
ben_vulpes: sweet! ty mircea_popescu
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jurov: to think we made fun of 796.com
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
BingoBoingo: 123
pete_dushenski: http://bitbet.us/bet/1059/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-feb-2015-to/#c4217 << lawlsky!
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asciilifeform: cult << incidentally, mathematics (as a professional or even amateur pursuit) fits more or less every extant definition of 'cult'
asciilifeform: (just one example)
pete_dushenski: interesting to note