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a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 15:20 phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway.
phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
trinque: aha, were I making my own ebuild/makefile/whatever for emacs, it simply *wouldn't have* dbus support and fuck you.
a111: 27 results for "emacs dbus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=emacs%20dbus
asciilifeform: !#s emacs dbus
phf: sina: i actually checked, and fwiw guix doesn't let you build emacs without dbus dependency. (in fact none of the odds and ends like svg, xml or alsa can be disabled without patching the package definition file)
sina: btw asciilifeform thanks for checking out guix, I thought you might be interested after reading old logs of you complaining re ripping dbus out of emacs
asciilifeform: incl. x11 emacs sans dbus ?
trinque: emacs is already a monstrous amalgamation itself, before dbus
asciilifeform: why did i have to saw dbus out of emacs? ~why was it there??!~ to begin with.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such.
asciilifeform: it is not, for example, the fault of gentoo authors, that rms became a living mushroom and lifted not one finger to keep emacs from demanding dbus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the given magic will take you to, e.g., fully-functioning x11 emacs, irc clients, etc. that build sans dbus.
asciilifeform: sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3
gribble: Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-07/msg00715.html>; Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-07/msg00687.html>; bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus - Lists - GNU: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-08/msg00014.html>
asciilifeform: ;;google "emacs without dbus"
assbot: bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPVHwN )
phf: you mean in gentoo parlance? an emacs ebuild doesn't respect -dbus flag, and pulls it unconditionally?
phf: of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers
phf: i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired
asciilifeform: '... why should, say, Emacs depend on dbus? '
asciilifeform: trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus.
asciilifeform: i can haz emacs without dbus ~here~
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:42:55; ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:34:08; asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus
asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus ☟︎
ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me. ☟︎
ascii_field: trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL
BingoBoingo: And of all of the software I've set up on the OpenBSD install here fucking emacs is the only one that throws messages at the terminal when I invoke it because DBUS is dead.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So killed Dbus this weekend on my OpenBSD install. Only thing asking for DBUS when invoked is Emacs, works fine without DBUS though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everything off by default << not quite true. try building 'xorg' followed by 'emacs' and see end up with dbus, other horrors
asciilifeform furious that the emacs in that box's ports tree cannot easily build without dbus