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mircea_popescu: aaand in other lafond news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/f0086d948ed9e02fb871b542dcbe3119/tumblr_noh83hssPg1stacfgo1_1280.jpg
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] Unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/unloving-unforgiving-slanderers-without-self-control-brutal-despisers-of-good/
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron obviously, being a dumb cunt's way worse than being dead.
danielpbarron: dumb cunt in this context is already dead in the spiritual sense
mircea_popescu: possibly. the matter is confused in the original sources.
mircea_popescu: lol danielpbarron slaying teh twatter crowd.
mircea_popescu: " The result was an onslaught of mentions so great that it occasionally caused my iPhone twatter app to crash." << perhaps apple could ~literally~ wink wink nudge nudge buy russia ; then make it crash now and again.
mircea_popescu: owait.
mircea_popescu: http://danielpbarron.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/obeast1.png <<< ahahaha thats pretty good damnation. so twitter at its peak is 100k impressions, 21k "detail expands", 1,2k clicks, 54 replies, 51 likes, 13 retweets and 2 follows.
mircea_popescu: shit bro, that's what, half hour's work a la http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/ or about four dollars' worth, provided twitter traffic is actually as productive as blind click skim. which it probably isn't.
danielpbarron: the 1.2k "clicks" were to my twatter profile though.. so not nearly as good
mircea_popescu: so twitter can do what, a hundred or two of these a day, and is consequently worth maybe half a million a year, gross ? over an expense account a hundred times that ?
mircea_popescu: nice story.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron aha. seriously, if one sat down to figure the actual value of these social media things, they'd be surprised how well they line up with actual historical datapoints, such as "what slashdot sold for" etc.
danielpbarron: and yeah the "detail expand" is their disingenuous way of fluffing up the "engagement" number
mircea_popescu: (blind click skim, which apparently is entirely unknown to google, as per usual - jesus that shit's worthless, the answers it has you only actually need if you're retarded, and everything else it has no clue about - is this concept from the old days when internet porn still made money, but after the glory days when it made serious money. the silver age so to speak. it consisted of a bunch of people making free tgps [thumbnail
mircea_popescu: preview galleries] as an attempt to entice "users" to sign up with paysites. large affiliate model spawned up. the idea being that whern you click on an image, you're taken somewhere - that's blind click skim.
mircea_popescu: the thing had developped to the degree someone made a thumb sorter sometime in 2002 or so, which sorted the imagaes by how clicked they were, so people could manage their tgps with less effort. as a side yielded all sorts of interesting anthropological results. for instance... hm. shit this is getting more involved than i thought.
mircea_popescu: so : these tgps "traded" traffic with one another like crazy, on the idea that hey, there's a guy here with cock in hand, best sort him out to something he can get off to asap. so very much reminiscent of the egyptian shopkeepers who, if i inquired for an item they didn't have, would run off to a friend/cousin/competitor that did, then take me there and get a small cut of baksheesh.
mircea_popescu: this gave rise to the concept of "traffic productivity", ie, how many clicks you get per users.
mircea_popescu: and it being a business, soon enough it became a matter of skimming the milk. getting some traffic to come in meant you got clicks to send to all the other guys you're trading with which meant they sent you theirs,
mircea_popescu: and so "traffic productivity" became an issue : if your traffic productivity was > 100 (%) that meant that for every click into your thing, you had >1 click to send out, meaning the trades had to send > 1 click in, and then you could explode!
mircea_popescu: but skimming being what it is, people always tried to feed their stuff with shit [say, indian traffic], which'd get high "productivity" but obviously low value (as what indian is spending 30 bux online in 2003?)
mircea_popescu: then this interracted with the tgp sorting algos : you'd end up with a list of thumbnails sorted BY HOW MUCH INDIANS LIKED THEM
mircea_popescu: ah, the history of "internet marketing" is long and interesting indeed.
danielpbarron: i suppose the social media sites can make money letting people like me pay to force people who hate people like me to see the hateful things they hate seeing, which I have actually done :D
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is what's known as the novelty penny.
mircea_popescu: ie, you'll never buy russia on this.
mircea_popescu: (which is WHY i thought it notable barnum was ever mayor)
danielpbarron: yep he was mayor of bridgeport back when bridgeport was the place to be, back when it still had industry
mircea_popescu: anyway, i stand by it, if the year were 2006 and twitter was a tgp, it'd be worth about 600k. which in today's money is maybe 1mn.
mircea_popescu: they claim they're not a tgp, i do not believe so. that's the crux of teh matter. they in point of fact contain no actual content past some thumbnails they cropped out of other people's porn shots.
BingoBoingo: If only we could drop PT Barnum in a contemporary urban walmart
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/runway/
hanbot: mircea_popescu do you think that's true of all ugc hubs?
mircea_popescu: hanbot well... gimme a list of these, what're you thinking about ?
hanbot: well, facebook, etsy, change.org, reddit, entire browser history of the avg. derp
hanbot: as long as it's user generated content, yknow?
mircea_popescu: certainly no different for the various "social media" derpitudes. facebook is so exactly myspace 2.0 it bleeds. reddit somehow thinks it'll escape the fate of digg, which is histerical for anyone who's been online for longer than they've spent in school. what's digg worth today, incidentaly ? EXACTLY the same pittance they're all worth on their own.
danielpbarron: i know it's true of facebook; some youtuber made a thing about how paying for offical promotion caused him to get ~less~ clicks because all the indians diluted out his actual fans
mircea_popescu: otherwise, as you know, art projects, they're worth exactly what the [usg] rich patron says they're worth, for as long as that lasts (not usually long)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this is what's so amusing about it - shiot the porn people had figured out 10-15-20 years ago, these schmucks are still innocent of, thoroughly.
mircea_popescu: hanbot i have nfi about etsy really, but stuff like amazon definitely has actual business power behind it. google likes to pretends it does, also. i do not believe them, and the desperation fluff pieces a la "artificial intelligence" are so transparently tailored to satisfy the investor's dream needs (for an investor that's apparently pretty stupid), they count as proof to me.
hanbot: hahaha
mircea_popescu: anyway. amazon has made serious, defensible gains in the important topic of warehouse management. that's worth dough.
mircea_popescu: google had perhaps, in 2002 ; and certainly held great promise, for a decade-ish hence. but it's gone by now. they like to pretend like they know shit, but a cursory examination of search results shows the charade for what it is. they know "a lot for a rock", which is great, except who cares about rocks.
danielpbarron: incidently, amazon is the one thing i ever bought something from after seeing an ad on the web (that i can recall)
mircea_popescu: change.org is, by and large, obama's personal blog - except he doesn't write much and the comment section's self moderated. how is this relevant, his 8 years are up.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah. bezos is one of the very few respectable us business heads.
hanbot: mircea_popescu but wouldja say google is a tgp? or indistinct failbucket?
mircea_popescu: hanbot it even implemented the "sort thumbs by how lcikced they are" thing!
hanbot: lol okay okay
mircea_popescu: so they go around the web clipping bits out of ever site ; and like a tgp they send a lot of traffic to paysites ; and like a tgp their traffic is mostly shit. and etc.
mircea_popescu: people are still clinging on today to this "search engine traffic is best traffic" mantra, which made sense 10 or 15 years ago, without stopping to think for a moment how the context changed.
mircea_popescu: so some douche found your site VIA GOOGLE ? when this, in 2016 ? does this mean he's smart ? knowledgeable ? connected ?
mircea_popescu: or does it mean the best predictor of how much rain water he has in his mouth is whether it's raining ?
mircea_popescu: yes, in 1999 there was ~no way to know wtf was on the web, and so search engine traffic was not selected for being dumber than the average lawyer.
mircea_popescu: today ? selected to be dumber than the average house cat!
trinque: mod6 │ ;;later tell trinque so how can shinohai help build out wiki.deedbot.org? is there some web-code he can write? or perhaps just preparing articles? << talked with him; all he needs to do is register and can start making pages
trinque: this week I'll look at getting the wiki some wotauth
trinque: shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wait, the wiki is written in lisp ?!
trinque: sho nuff
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: the only problem with lisp though
mircea_popescu: is that there are no real world applications that make use of it.
mircea_popescu: o btw trinque you were all into big data and sql and shit, how's http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ look to you ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked at it.
asciilifeform: seems to resolve to the 'knapsack problem.'
trinque: lol yeah, teh republic's trying to bring back teh lisp!
trinque reads
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it ALSO is the absolute matrix-mother of ALL usg-tronic "intellectual propety"
asciilifeform: howsthat
mircea_popescu: think for a moment, what is the nsa supposedly doing ? taking THAT EXACT db and establishing "who's a terrorist".
mircea_popescu: what's google's/facebook's/etc supposed stock in trade ? "oh, we took that EXACT db and... established prices of things"
mircea_popescu: etc. you can not in fact find a "blue chip" as the notion has been tarnished today that does anything else as its business than... that.
asciilifeform: google gosplan !111111111
mircea_popescu: and most of the ustardian cults are ALSO predicated on some mystical voodoo solution to it, also.
mircea_popescu: from "liberal" to "lesswrong" and back again. the feminists wish REALLY HARD for some primitives they found to be supported by it. etc.
asciilifeform: anyway gosplan does not and does not even seriously pretend to work by solving the motherfukcing equation, but instead it cuts the princesses' feet to fit the shoes when necessary.
asciilifeform: under that set of constraints, 'worx1!11111111!'
mircea_popescu: except this requirement is in there! "provide justification".
mircea_popescu: and well... not trivial, either.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the fed is spending all the resources of pretty much everyone in finance speaking english today to try and come out with a "passible solution" to mp's problem, that they doublespeak as "market stability" and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: the laws get ever longer, so-and-so's rule, criteria and blabla, but the solution comes no closer.
trinque will try to fit this in head after a cycle in his regeneration pod
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 456.58, vol: 1554.57518222 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.661, vol: 3356.37957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 458.17, vol: 6664.73925998 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 2.24548227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.841968, vol: 17044.27550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.76, vol: 617.26018576 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.4984, vol: 18.74667532 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 455.504084386
mircea_popescu: hhhola!
mircea_popescu: $up hax404
deedbot: hax404 voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: $v 40C1444EF15BAAD33D8DC6E2C850B70C54AB16444CD49B154FED054ADD2B21D4
deedbot: danielpbarron rated zakorus123 1 << Euloran who bought some threads from me
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465028 <<< thx trinque I did register account yesterday and am poring over old wiki materials this morning. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 04:00 trinque: shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully
mircea_popescu: win.
BingoBoingo: $up adlai
deedbot: adlai voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsllt0hfEF1r33v5zo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other news, "Dans leurs regards indifférents flottait la quiétude de passions journellement assouvies ; et, à travers leurs manières douces, perçait cette brutalité particulière que communique la domination de choses à demi faciles, dans lesquelles la force s'exerce et où la vanité s'amuse, le maniement des chevaux de race et la société des femmes perdues."
shinohai: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/north-carolina-hb2-justice-department-deadline/ <<< Preet: Why can't everyone just shit together in the street like back home in India?
asciilifeform: l0l they've banned mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: (who iirc has never set foot in a mens' room, out of pr1nc1pl3)
asciilifeform: savages.
mircea_popescu: wait whi ?
asciilifeform: 'North Carolina has filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Justice Department to defend House Bill 2, a law that bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond with their biological sex, according to a court document.'
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: it's not that never by any means.
mircea_popescu: but i also didn't pretend i'm a woman or anything. just, you know, these sorts of rules, psshh. they're lulzy because the pretense is always one way (protect teh modesty of teh ladies, o noes, as if), whereas the actual cause is exactly opposite (dudes can't fucking piss with women there).
asciilifeform: what'dbe wrong with locking stalls in 1 shit hall for everybody.
mircea_popescu: that you can't pee with a hard-on.
asciilifeform: hm point
mircea_popescu: and you get hard-ons for all sorts of dumb reasons such as chick's perfume.
mircea_popescu: AND if you get a hardon while needing to pee, which is why you're there, it'll be a bitch to get yourself out of it as pressure is a signal.
mircea_popescu: little bit of fuck you from Mz Anatomy there.
asciilifeform: point!!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, in egypt trains (not the "expensive" stuff where you get the whole compartment and there's a gay waiter in livery to attend to your every whim, the common cattle hauling things) are also gender segregated. and we (ie, me and chet) climbed in the girl one, which amused teh women no end and really bothered the dudes.
mircea_popescu: the REASON it bothered the dudes is that now they couldn't tell themselves that it's ok they're not running amok among the smiling she-herd, grabing all the tits, because "you can't get in there". manifestly you can, and a foreigned=loser to boot, so they can^2, and what fucking difference does it make HE doesn't go japanese-subway-porn-berserk, that's because he's a loser=foreigner, nevermind that part!
mircea_popescu: people's heads, you know. their very own, private and most deserved punishment.
asciilifeform: speaking of my punishment, i finally had the mega-satisfaction of resigning from $rupturefarm
danielpbarron: congrats!
asciilifeform: just signed 5min ago.
mircea_popescu: cheers.
asciilifeform: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: eh
mircea_popescu: lmao need to carry the $up gun on the hip
mircea_popescu: like old style west.
asciilifeform: speaking of,
asciilifeform: soooomebody, it seems, is still feeding phuctor
asciilifeform: a teaspoon-full at a time
mircea_popescu: i imagine people interested, neh ?
asciilifeform: aha.
danielpbarron: https://bitbet.us/bet/1255/thedao-to-be-the-largest-crowdsale-ever/ << can anyone see this page? it works on my iPhone in chrome but it doesn't work in chromium on gentoo..
danielpbarron: on a very related note, bitbet appears to be back
mircea_popescu: o hey it's back ?
danielpbarron: was trying to write a qntra on it, but ran into this serving-different-content-to-different-browsers weirdness
mircea_popescu: nope, connection reset.
danielpbarron: one sec, taking screenshots on my phone
mircea_popescu: https too eh ?
asciilifeform: l0l! nsacoin at last !
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1GFYZ4G << badly set-up ssl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or on the contrary
asciilifeform: well-setup up usgssl.
asciilifeform: for lol-enforcement!111 purporses.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: as somebody said to a famous aircraft designer: 'FLY in it?! i won't WALK under it'
mircea_popescu: and in other Carmen the Beercunt news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8cf392f56702d6dee3f8bd4cb58652ad/tumblr_mnegum7DcF1rhlfrbo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: BET in it?! i dun recommend LOADING it
asciilifeform: https://bitbet.us/faq/#liveagain << related.
danielpbarron: yeah no that's not the new one
danielpbarron: the new one has a LOT of bold red text
mircea_popescu: well archive is doesn't see it either, that's the extent of my patience.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/2BV2PW0.txt
mircea_popescu: "One thing to be aware of: the bets that were cancelled because of the transition are still visible on the site and have all been resolved as "NO". " uh... ok ?
mircea_popescu: "While this may feel inconsistent (the proper resolution should be "CANCELED & REFUNDED"), there is a limitation in the current design of the system that prevents us from doing anything else." << this is an odd claim.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the admin interface as-was does not provide a ready way to cancel bets that had already closed at the whatever arbitrary timepoint. but still, database is database, what.
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/new_bitbet.png
mircea_popescu: keeping the "try to chisel, lose your capital" rule it seems. oh and all the scandal and "mp is a scammer" that came from that one, golly.
mircea_popescu: turns out the veterinarian can not actually direct his practice by the bellows of the pack animal. who knew!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol.
asciilifeform: chisel?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a term of art.
danielpbarron: and i won't bother with the faq since apparently ascii got a text version of it
mircea_popescu: $google "i used a little information for a chisel, that's all"
deedbot: No results.
mircea_popescu: eh gtfo ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's an underworld of hustlers and small time, nonviolent criminals, with its own cant. to chisel is to use an informational asymmetry for a small, distributed gain.
asciilifeform: arbitrage ?
mircea_popescu: the bank fraud where a coupla clerks reprogrammed the system to have all cent fractions added up to their account is a very typical chisel.
asciilifeform: ah, salami
mircea_popescu: no, arbitrage aha.
mircea_popescu: arbitrage is to be an economic engine.
mircea_popescu: Could I become an affiliate? Not at this time, although this may change in the future. Could I become a partner? Not at this time. Can I advertise on BitBet? Not at this time, although this may change in the future.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the "community" had two years to run off with one of the more generous aff systems in history, twiddled its thumbs.
trinque: that "google custom search api" thing does actually hand back zero results for certain queries it seemingly shouldn't
asciilifeform: happy v-day folx.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i just recently found out about the junkers ju390 in buenos aires 1945 thing.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/bitbet-is-live-again.asc.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: from the dept of lulz:
asciilifeform: 'They suggest that when people fly in economy class, their position in the social hierarchy becomes glaringly obvious. This fact is especially so if they have to walk through the first class section of the plane to get to their assigned space in a cramped hell.'
asciilifeform: ( http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/air-rage-is-more-common-when-economy-class-passengers-see-first-class )
j-dawg: lol "they suspected these explanations are missing something."
j-dawg: i won't ever forget my first time on transatlantic economy flight. couldn't sleep due to vibrations, terminally bored and pretty close to rage even without thoughts about first class
mircea_popescu: somehow the very concept of economy class flight is dubious.
mircea_popescu: either you're good enough to fly or you aren't, wtf is this subway in the air.
asciilifeform: real demigodz buy own 747!111111
mircea_popescu: anyway. i can readily see usg womanchild losing her shit because it's the first time in her life that he encounters the implacable "sit down and shut up, worm"
mircea_popescu: (in the above context, "her" is a genderless pronoun used to denote stupidity)
asciilifeform: for every mircea_popescu paying in actual dough for firstclass, there's a platoon of apparatchiks, of various usgtronic flavours, who 'expense'.
mircea_popescu: large part of the problem.
asciilifeform: so my reaction to parading through firstclass is similar to seeing 'zil' limousine, or its usg equiv.
j-dawg: phf: btcbase.org doesn't track V itself or rotor?
ben_vulpes: congrats asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty ben_vulpes
phf: j-dawg: btcbase secretly tracks btcbase itself, since i'm experimenting with (load-v "foo.vpatch") type thing, but that's not public. i don't think there's a proper vtronic chain of V or rotor available, so unless i generate those myself there's nothing i can track
phf: i think i saw mod6 vpatch's for v.pl, but afaik there's no genesis for those, etc.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phrack.org/issues/69/2.html#article << lulzy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh yeah, dumbass bbs people and their "nick" notions.
mircea_popescu: i had forgotten.
asciilifeform: much nostalgia in one box, tho.
mircea_popescu: demigods know not nostalgia!
asciilifeform: humans - do.
mircea_popescu: looky, he uses the same hardware you use :D
asciilifeform: from other articles in same issue,
asciilifeform: 'Then, in Dec 2011, Asheesh, a Debian dev particularly fond of his key ID, found a way to create a new RSA 4096 key with that ID (and a bug in GnuPG handling of duplicate keys) [2]. He highlighted the disruptive potential of that and decided not to release the code. Bummer.
asciilifeform: '
j-dawg: phf: v genesis does exist: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000153.html
asciilifeform: j-dawg: aha, that's mine
mircea_popescu: w99w99... check it out... soon enough all the ancient scene is going to pop back up, myth and all.
asciilifeform: in museum.
asciilifeform: it cannot exist today just like the prehistoric dragonflies cannot
asciilifeform: wrong gases in atmosphere...
mircea_popescu: heh. i just meant the names.
asciilifeform: l0lk
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, there was at least one example of well known, functional, wot-only system online. teh scene.)
asciilifeform: countless little worlds.
mircea_popescu: probably the reason copyrasts didn't get away with much over 30 years of trying. no, it wasn't reddit, no "raising awareness" did jack.
asciilifeform: any two kidz passing floppies back'n'forth were a world.
asciilifeform: but it also helped that enemy could not even for a millisecond masquerade as a real person.
mircea_popescu: quite like gossipd works yes
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: in america they called it 'sneakernet'
phf: biggest japan pirate network was an invite only wot based around harddrive exchange, with the "if your friend's a rat, you're a rat" policy
mircea_popescu: note also that the groups were both distinct from the topsites let alone couriers, and also had their own artgroups!
asciilifeform: who remembers the wonderful crack 'demos' !
asciilifeform: complete with music
mircea_popescu: The Humble Guys!
asciilifeform: Adaz!
mircea_popescu: not accolade, thc convinced me of the possibility of computers
davout: "here, have a quake 2 in 287 bytes"
mircea_popescu: olo
asciilifeform: Razor!
mircea_popescu: a yes also
phf: razor was the last one to go
mircea_popescu: fuyck it's online
mircea_popescu: phf also latecomer iirc
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J2qWPwUL9U
asciilifeform: i personally cracked a very tough cookie of a commercial proggy a few yrs back, and had... no place to put.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - to dragon's eyes we work as if we were there. recall - you ftp'd to site then had it read into irc ?)
j-dawg: mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v?
j-dawg: v.pl i mean
phf: j-dawg: i think there's a general "fear" of publishing a dodgy vpatch so everyone's hedging. i think that's one of the reasons for asciilifeform's vector
j-dawg: but i am asking about publishing patches about your own code
asciilifeform: phf has it
mircea_popescu: considering all this is yet new...
asciilifeform: j-dawg: i suspect that folks, even incl. mod6, are still cautious of firing v in anger in the field
mircea_popescu: but yes, some extruding pressure must be applied to get people to use the proper tool
asciilifeform: sorta why i tried to keep mine TINY
asciilifeform: so it can be swallowed WHOLE
asciilifeform: and you can feel entirely confident jumping with the parachute.
j-dawg: oh now i see he actually did http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000178.html
phf: j-dawg: right, i think that's the one that's missing genesis though. so it's sort of a hybrid, you need original v.pl and then you press with a vpatch. i don't think that's the right way
phf: of course producing genesis from original v.pl and then using mod6's vpatch will give you a proper chain
j-dawg: but anyone can make the genesis, no?
mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, to this day the nebulously defined "community" around warez standard has a) not moved away from rar ; b) not allowed unicode in names.
asciilifeform: why would it ?
phf: still packs torrents full of rar r00 r01 r02 files
mircea_popescu: modern ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno mang, apparently one can't think without ideograms or something.
j-dawg: i have seen fair share of torrents with unicode filenames
mircea_popescu: you're prolly looking at p2p garbage.
j-dawg: yes, i only have p2p garbage, never was very sociable
j-dawg: nor wanted to pay for alt.bin access
j-dawg: unrelated, how do i search the logs for 't'? since there's no info on ml...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=t :D
j-dawg: 500+ entries in 0.0s yay
phf: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+t+%22
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+T%22 << check out how nicely this works
mircea_popescu: phf still needs a command
phf: i was thinking of maybe making standalone keywords search for a word, but if you want to grep, surround it with quotes. "t" will behave as now, where's t will behave as "^t " or " t$" or " t "
j-dawg: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816239 typical result :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 08:31 Vexual: there you go caz, big fat hares t whever punk is
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: j-dawg which one is t again ?
j-dawg: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
mircea_popescu: ah, mod6 introduced it recently. faster to search from:mod6 and go backwards.
mircea_popescu: it's ~2 weeks old if that.
j-dawg: if i ever release anything related to tmsr, will name it " ".
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: are you going to be the hacker formerly known as j-dawg ?
j-dawg: heh
j-dawg: and i'll move to FYROM!
phf: can release anything with unicode in name, and search will happily barf. only uses mp approved letters to operate
mircea_popescu: fuck stop giving him ideas
j-dawg: but that was not unicode, that was plain old space (0x20)
mircea_popescu: he's gonna release u-psilon the dating app or something
mircea_popescu: SPACE IS FOR HUSSIES!
j-dawg: and second version will be named 0x19, and so on to final version 0x00. no unicodez!!!
mircea_popescu: lol
deedbot: [Qntra] A Form Of BitBet Online Again - http://qntra.net/2016/05/a-form-of-bitbet-online-again/
davout: danielpbarron: maybe mention the znort guy by name in the qntra piece, dude's wot'd after all
davout: kinda outdated though
BingoBoingo: $up AaronvanW
deedbot: AaronvanW voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/04/estero-man-arrested-hacking-into-state-lee-elections-website-david-levin-dan-sinclair/83921672
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104 << vintage lulz. bios rootkit in 2011, in intel-branded mb, pretty good evidence but nobody believed (tm)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: heh
shinohai: X marks the spot: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462829659462.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find it hard to believe nobody actually had done hardware parallelization in 2007.
asciilifeform: virtualization
mircea_popescu: "Моему удивлению не было предела: номер биоса был тем же самым, образы биоса совпадали побайтно, но по какой-то причине серийные материнские платы заработали только тогда, когда я залил в них такой же биос, взятый сайта Intel" vs "Стало ясно,
mircea_popescu: что платы из Китая содержат дополнительные программные модули, прошитые в биосе, а стандартные программы анализа эти модули не увидели." so does it or doesn't it coincide to the byte ?
asciilifeform: one had extra modules, flashed in by updater, it looks like.
asciilifeform: so the turd he was diffing matched, but there was moar.
mircea_popescu: so then not byte-identical
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: yeah well... i don't like the style of the author.
asciilifeform: well you gotta follow along, first half is in state of ignorance
mircea_popescu: yaya. and he checked everything and he fell in a state of stupour.
mircea_popescu: he read too much gawker.
asciilifeform: i dun think gawker has yet been invented in ru world.
mircea_popescu: must've, the brainrot is specifically symptomatic.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the 2nd para doesn't start with "it's a cold muscovite october and the snow crackles under the steps..." or somesuch shit.
asciilifeform: y'know, there is > 1 way to rot brain
asciilifeform: e.g., drink
mircea_popescu: never to the same.
mircea_popescu: all happy brains are similar ; all rotten ones so very different. or how did that quote go.
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: but actually i find that rotten brains are very - at least externally - similar
asciilifeform: because they tend to fall into sync with mass idiocies
asciilifeform: whereas healthy brain each has own theorems.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess this wonder'll be dissected another time. on the strenght of his report, i dun feel inclined to look into the matter any.
asciilifeform: old nyooz, the key bit is the part with the timing analysis
asciilifeform: it showed a quite 'amateur hour' telltale delta, given as the hypervisor can't move the wall clock ~on the fucking wall~ and you can see that it slows the box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's almost a wonder these people choke on the oh-so-well written phuctor reports. considering the sort of inept bullshit floating about, you'd think they'd fall on knees and worship.
asciilifeform: BUT this was before the 'nsa core' was added to intel cpu.
asciilifeform: in ~those~ days they had to actually run on the x86 cores.
mircea_popescu: "hey, unlike everything else, at least this one doesn't have 5kb of crud prior to the interesting bit"
asciilifeform: they choke ~because~ it has no crud padding
asciilifeform: 'what does this MEAN?!!!!'
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, got a noggin ?"
mircea_popescu: fucktards. you just read it, son of a drunk fucker! why ask ME what it means! what are you for!
mircea_popescu: but in other news : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b834e2676b055d1c5c152b4d705a9bfc/tumblr_nmnv72XTNH1scjhrvo1_250.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "yeggogology" lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465311 << how come? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 22:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating.
mircea_popescu: because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the only option for the non-elitist, other than feeding the worms immediately, is a life of hypocrisy. there is nothing above, beyond or outside of elitism
mircea_popescu: if you're a woman you can be a cow. if you're not, there's nothing. that's it.
mircea_popescu: generally this "why can't we all get along, you don't really HAVE to hold your legs crossed like that in the subway, not REALLY, do you" bullshit readily irritates me.
mircea_popescu: the intimation that losing it means you've "grown up" is particularly pernicious. you don't "grow up" by going bald. you just grow old, is all.
mircea_popescu: all the bullshit about a very faux, miserable definition of "ethics" - no, ethics is pointedly NOT what he thinks, not anymore than capitalism is what the us runs ; all the bullshit about how "it's not a game anymore" as if a) it ever was and b) the losers, ie, "law enforcement", derpy marketeers and generally the feminine enemy is possibly ever in any manner even conceivably winning anything...
mircea_popescu: gtfo already. it never was a game, it was always rape, and we always raped them. what "not a game anymore".
mircea_popescu: strip or i'll make you.
mircea_popescu: anyway. irreconcilable differences.
mod6: <+j-dawg> mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v? << yeah, i feel like, it's not yet mature enough to warrent its own genesis.
mircea_popescu: will have to be done eventually. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: yeah, no doubt.
mod6: but for instance, let's just say that everything about the graphing or whatever things were being discussed this weekend were wrong.
mircea_popescu: new v.
mircea_popescu: i mean new genesis.
mod6: then we'd have one nasty genesis.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: this has ~never stopped nature, has it ? hence byproducts like trump, obama, clinton, bush etc.
mod6: well, i guess i was hoping that more people would use it.
mod6: and it's actually quite hard to get people to use it it turns out.
mircea_popescu: the only way you'll ever find out it was wrong would be through people using it
mircea_popescu: and then they'll use the new one.
mircea_popescu: although some pretty major cataclysm is needed to invalidate a genesis. you can just patch it into correctness downstream neh ?
mod6: ofc
mircea_popescu: and if it gets gnarly, rebasing is your friend.
mod6: i guess i don't see much of a reason to rush this
mircea_popescu: no reason to rush it, no. but still... hasta be done :)
mod6: fair enough.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, has some interesting interplay with key updates - suddenly in a V world, the principal reason to get a new key is, "i'm sick of all tyhe old bullshit, wanna take a year off and rebase everything. here's my new key.")
shinohai: mod6 survived Monday. [~]D
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah yeah. some of this crossed my mind.
mod6: i also think that V might get a huge overhaul perhaps.
mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: although, i haven't done enough thinking on this yet to actually have a plan or anything. just throwing that out there.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's all yet new.
mod6: but, either way, could still be integrated downstream
mod6: and perhaps thats better anyway.
mod6: *shrug*
mod6: i'll y to make some steps towards getting a genesis going -- gotta get through this `t' stuff first tho
mircea_popescu: works.
mod6: i'm getting closer with that part, just trying to make the graphing a bit better.
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 survived Monday. [~]D << yea!