tmsr - Log 2016-05-10

mod6 tips his hat to shinohai

mod6: He's already plugged in and doing things with wiki.deedbot.org :]

mod6: Thanks for getting him going trinque, this is most important work. And salud to you for providing the framework!

shinohai: I like the framework, simple no nonsense

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465316 << not why i linked it, but this is a point. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 23:20 mircea_popescu: because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465312 << not sure what it has to do with 'smart kidz' though. it is really more about folks who have been behind the barbed wire for too long, of whatever level ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 22:27 mircea_popescu: as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids".

mod6: alf: congrats on the quitting

mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. << yeah i gotta re-read all of this stuff again. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc.

asciilifeform: mod6: i suggested it for pgptron

mod6: ah.

mod6: hrm. must have mis-remembered that

asciilifeform: on 2nd thought i never said precisely where.

asciilifeform: but signatures are produced in pgptron, not in v.

mod6: i need to look again,but have handsfull at current second

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. it's the sort of kid that seeks approval in school.

mircea_popescu: this usually overlaps with the subset that has any chance at getting any.

asciilifeform: ah l0l! the grinding wheels !

mircea_popescu: hm ?

asciilifeform: the 'seeks approval' kid

mircea_popescu: it's a typical behaviour of the weak (which is how women end up so ensconced in the general aspic of stupid womanhood), that's veheheeerily carefully cultivated by socialist/female society.

mircea_popescu: the difference being that there's good anatomic reasons for female physical weakness ; there's no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude.

mircea_popescu: but they teach girls to "not can" math with the same instruments.

asciilifeform: ftr i disagree with 'no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude'

asciilifeform: recall the chimp cage in the zoo ?

mircea_popescu: eh.

asciilifeform: what if you have NO USE for chimps.

asciilifeform: none, whatsoever.

asciilifeform: no matter if there is no one else around.

mircea_popescu: experimentally, intelligent girls they forget to teach about how they're creative and can't learn math accidentally learn math just like normal human beings. idem intelligent boys they forget to teach they should be shy and inept do just fine. in other news, http://i40.tinypic.com/69i0dz.jpg

asciilifeform: l0l!

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: i still wonder why cn forgave the 'accidenting' of its embassy so easily.

asciilifeform: (y'know, the place where the carcass was stored)

mircea_popescu: somehow nobody makes any hay of the fact that THE SERBS WERE INTERCEPTING NATO MILITARY COMMS. IN 1999!

asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016-info/cia-obl-snafu/cia-obl-snafu.htm << somewhat related lulz.

mircea_popescu: expired cert ?

asciilifeform: aha, but who gives a fuck

mircea_popescu: why the fuck even bother with https already. it's insecure, we know this.they don't even cursory make an attempt. what's next, go on tor ?

asciilifeform: i have nfi

asciilifeform: why does cargocult airplane need straw propeller.

asciilifeform: ask them, not me.

mircea_popescu doesn't read it. fucking derps.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/WMjTV << cured.

asciilifeform: special for mircea_popescu .

mircea_popescu: why thank you. and speaking of dubiosenii,

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gwern hey, you around ?

gribble: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: incidentally might ask archive.is why they ssl.

mircea_popescu: these people are idiots. the mock-up is accurate.

mircea_popescu: derps never been on a movie set.

mircea_popescu: "accurate" in this context does not mean "geometrically identical to rando tourist with a camera", but "of such configuration all scripted scenes can be filmed without visible difference". you can fold it, which is what they did. burbank does the exact fucking thing all the time.

asciilifeform: perhaps they forgot that the real scene does not fold to fit the chopper...

mircea_popescu: eh, i imagine it must utterly suck to work pr for the usarmy etc. you're stuck reading the internet, this unique mezclado of pointed ignorance and cured coincidence.

mircea_popescu: if the fucking chopper pilot needed a lifesized model to land his bird...

mircea_popescu: grunts on the ground need the fucking model, because muscle memory.

deedbot: [Qntra] Insurgent Florida Politician Arrested After Auditing Local Election Website Security - http://qntra.net/2016/05/insurgent-florida-politician-arrested-after-auditing-local-election-website-security/

BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: win.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459548 << mircea_popescu, so would a Left to Right orientation be alright then? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 01:13 mircea_popescu: mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ?

mircea_popescu: i just meant it's 1000x80 now, should be 80x1000

mod6: ah, hm. alright.

j-dawg: mircea_popescu: mpex is not updating orderbook again

mircea_popescu checks this out

mircea_popescu: seems to be ok

shinohai: Morning #trilema http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462887860424.gif ☟︎

mircea_popescu: hola shinohai

shinohai: ;;ticker --market all

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 452.9, vol: 5259.62288531 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 449.999, vol: 6189.53064 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 452.65, vol: 26970.744069 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.90789, vol: 35031.30640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.51, vol: 1708.34797017 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.34854, vol: 58.13538837 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.638030877

mircea_popescu: http://olegbumbac.blogspot.com.ar/2012/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html << maybe interesting to the esl crowd that earnestly believes "western decay" is "woman's fault" because they somehow oppress males or are feminazis or whatever : the supposedly independent republic of moldavia exhibits the EXACT opposite atmosphere (like many ex soviet sattelite provinces, actually, orcland). the females are outright worsh

mircea_popescu: ipful of manhood.

mircea_popescu: not even any man specifically, manhood as a transcendental superiority. visible in how seventeen year olds behave in public to a larger degree than the insolence of anglos is visible ; visible throughout.

davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465428 <<< can't wait for the "plane" version ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-10 14:19 shinohai: Morning #trilema http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462887860424.gif

shinohai: hue

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, moldavia is still a shithole. always was a shithole.

mircea_popescu: all the worship of one gender by the other does in practice is sink that other, moldavian men are some of the most miserable, whiny, incompetent and discapacitated dudes you'll ever see. almost gypsy level (and guess why gypsies - much like niggers btw - are cowardly ? yes it's because female worship, of fucking course).

mircea_popescu: so... no. tis not teh women's fault in any sense.

mircea_popescu: shinohai is that gord ?

mircea_popescu: must be.

mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me : http://66.media.tumblr.com/22a9604c72144dd8488eaf58eb0831ee/tumblr_nb241cgC5Q1riwxk3o1_1280.jpg << face!

shinohai: O.o

asciilifeform: lel

mircea_popescu: no good ?

mircea_popescu: fine, ok. http://i.imgur.com/3wpWQSs.jpg

asciilifeform: mno.

mircea_popescu: tough crowd.

asciilifeform: that face - no theorems.

mircea_popescu: you can tell by the face ?

deedbot: [Trilema] Vasile, c'est tout. - http://trilema.com/2016/vasile-cest-tout/

mircea_popescu: #face http://urod.ru/uploads/102015/polv_01.jpg

shinohai: Quick question twiw: Does deedbot operate on the same L1 & L2 scheme as assbot did?

mircea_popescu: afaik

shinohai: k, thanks

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy, https://www.pgpru.com/forum/prakticheskajabezopasnostj/chegostoitichegonestoitbojatjsjaapparatnyebekdoryiproprietarnyeproshivki?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment73399 << early sanity

asciilifeform: (whole forum is like this. found it via phuctor reflogz)

mircea_popescu: seems yoi found some friends.

asciilifeform: not quite, mostly folks crying into their drinks

asciilifeform: but crying in the right direction!111

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another minor l0l, https://www.pgpru.com/forum/rabotasgnupg/gpg4wincherezanusrasshifrovyvaetkirillicu << all the orcish font support is for naught, gpg4win craps out rubbish when used with cyrillic

mircea_popescu: it's not supposed to work in THAT sense. fuck the orcs, who cares. it's supposed to work in THIS other sense.

mircea_popescu: still fucking overflowing, to this day, 15 years later.

asciilifeform: yah well in that sense worx great, a++++

trinque: shinohai: having a problem?

asciilifeform: https://www.pgpru.com/servisy/packetdump << they have a pgp packet dumper, but it seems to barf on anything i give it

trinque: oh you're prolly working on wiki stuff

shinohai: yeah working on wiki stuff trinque ... trying to learn clwiki formatting, of which there seems to be little

shinohai: For now just going to strip all the old stuff to basic parts and go from there I guess.

trinque: cool

shinohai: trinque: am I missing something, or I cannot format like this: http://i.imgur.com/7s2ZFyD.png?1

shinohai: Good question: http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-is-preet-bharara-afraid-of-1462835952

deedbot: [Trilema] Double Indemnity - http://trilema.com/2016/double-indemnity/

mircea_popescu: me.

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/double-indemnity/#comment-117231

mircea_popescu: :p

trinque: shinohai: I can add css to whichever tags you need styled

asciilifeform: l0l, phuctor ddos apparently

shinohai: I've seen it all now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580492/South-Africa-launches-breaking-wind-competition-youths-heroin.html

shinohai: MAy as well shutter the DEA now

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecc lulz: https://www.pgpru.com/novosti/2012/mojapoezdkavdwavepotustoronumjasnogosendvicha?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment93883 ☟︎

asciilifeform: quite possibly, these folx read the logz.

asciilifeform: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf << related. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2H60PT0.txt << plaintxt

asciilifeform: 'The first time the NSA publicly and decisively gave support to ECC occurred at a meeting of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) in December 1995. The backers of RSA at the meeting were casting doubt on the safety of ECC-based protocols; in the mid-1990s a page called “ECC Central” on the RSA website carried statements by leading personalities in cryptography that characterized ECC

asciilifeform: as untested and based on esoteric mathematics. '

asciilifeform: 'The nontechnical industry representatives on the ANSI committee were impressed by the RSA argument. As the heated debate continued, the NSA representative left to make a phone call. When he returned, he announced that he was authorized to state that the NSA believed that ECC had sufficient security to be used for secure communications among all U.S. government agencies, including the Federal Reserv

asciilifeform: e. People were stunned. In those days the NSA representatives at standards meetings would sit quietly and hardly say a word. No one had expected such a direct and unambiguous statement from the NSA. The ECC standards were approved.'

asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l! ^

asciilifeform: pure gold:

asciilifeform: 'To ensure that the NSA-generated elliptic curves did not belong to a very

asciilifeform: special class of curves, a simple procedure was devised whereby the coeffi-

asciilifeform: cients of an elliptic curve were derived by passing a seed through the hash

asciilifeform: function SHA-1. Given the seed and its associated elliptic curve, anyone

asciilifeform: could check that the curve had been generated from the seed. Since SHA-1

asciilifeform: is (still) considered to be a one-way function, it would be infeasible for anyone

asciilifeform: to first select a curve with very special properties, and then find a seed

asciilifeform: which yields that curve.'

asciilifeform: FUCK invisible linefeed garbage

asciilifeform: anyway - whole thing eminently worth reading.

asciilifeform: http://people.item.ntnu.no/~danilog/Hash/Non-random-behaviour-narrow-pipe-designs-03.pdf << interesting re 'whitening' etc. (tldr: no known hash behaves like 'random oracle', demonstrably)

deedbot: [Qntra] What Is Preet Bharara Afraid Of? - http://qntra.net/2016/05/what-is-preet-bharara-afraid-of/

asciilifeform: http://valerieaurora.org/hash.html << moar lulz.

BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.0, vol: 4838.28317451 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.841, vol: 5677.33624 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.18, vol: 23104.63533724 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.628008, vol: 29502.97510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 454.601, vol: 983.52914552 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 460.023413, vol: 70.41158083 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.0984038

BingoBoingo: http://notyourgoodfatty.com/court-says-obesity-is-not-a-disability/

shinohai: bwahahhaaaa nice article BingoBoingo

BingoBoingo: WHich one?

shinohai: "What is Preet Bharara afraid of?"

shinohai: Kinda succinct, but good

BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, I don't mind that you add words to my articles, especially when new info comes out after i have submitted it (like a third bet) but please don't add in a way that breaks the flow. The point I made in regard to the ethereum bet is hard to follow with the trump bet listed right before it

danielpbarron: and yes i probably could have mentioned that znort is in WoT but znort never talks here, so it's a toss up. Chat more, get more mentions. Don't chat, get forgotten

BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Sorry, I'll try to fix the flow

BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how is http://qntra.net/2016/05/a-form-of-bitbet-online-again/

danielpbarron: not what i woulda done but it worx

BingoBoingo: ty

punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11666857

mircea_popescu: da fuck do these people do, 17yo highschool gossip ?

punkman: mhmm

mircea_popescu: worthless bullshit, i want to know what "company" this is to short the shit off it.

mircea_popescu: also i wanna know what the fuck irl name "milfseriously" has, just in case he shows up at any social event and isn't there as a toilet slave.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it was it didn't last long.

mircea_popescu: still, getting 30-50/hour submissions is pretty good imo.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the decade intervening has meanwhile totally fucked them. they're moving off ecc now in a hurry, and their dilemma is "go back to rsa or beg alf for c-s."

asciilifeform: lel

mircea_popescu: which is pretty lulzy considering tmsr is supposed to be this obscure thing rather than the leading governmental authority of the world./

asciilifeform: my current understanding is that it is nearly certain that a summer intern has been sent to write a usg c-s.

mircea_popescu: aha. should be funny once his dr wright implementation comes to pieces./

mircea_popescu: an event which, of course, nobody could have predicted.

mircea_popescu: also the above lines didn't happen.

asciilifeform: naturally.

asciilifeform: re: the hn thread and 'her-assment' - folks living under usg are quite like children under drunkard father - they learn to 'build fences' (orthodox jew concept) around 'what might upset him'

asciilifeform: thus it is quite ordinary for folks who so much as fall under suspicion to be sacked

mircea_popescu: lol aheeb the horsy will be fucking famous before he dies huh,

asciilifeform: waiwut

punkman: so should the chick tell her boss new guy is harassment lawsuit waiting to happen?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such.

mircea_popescu: punkman the chick was the adult at the table, from what can be seen. the "boss" is a pimply imbecile who has no business in business.

asciilifeform: thing is, the boss in the link is not a complete idiot, so much as the mere fact of a 'harassment' suit can sink a small firm.

mircea_popescu: pfff.

mircea_popescu: such a thing as a "small firm" may not exist in an environment where such a thingas "harassment" exists.

mircea_popescu: move.

asciilifeform: brilliant, never-before thought of pill !111111

asciilifeform: why not 'breathe fire at the enemy'

mircea_popescu: it's not a pill, even. "how can i lose weight while eating 5-6k calories a day ???" "you can't. stop eating." "hurr durr."

mircea_popescu: srsly nao.

asciilifeform: 'let them eat cake' (tm) (r)

mircea_popescu: there isn't a pill for everything.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such. << ok

mircea_popescu: i suppose you can just do it in an emergency sort of set-up, but really it's like pinching asses in the subway. best to be kept at a minimum.

j-dawg: i had similar issue with bingo and he promised to consult his redactions, but he likes to forget :D

j-dawg: or, better to say, he likes to get carried away

shinohai: Editors gonna edit.

BingoBoingo: I am not always as rememberful as I would like to be.

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, http://cse.iitkgp.ac.in/Events/IndoCrypt08/Dec-15-2008/images/html/dscf5311.html

mircea_popescu: eh things occur.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform them nametag shits...

mircea_popescu: ftr t lange is pretty respectable, knitting or no knitting. http://www.hyperelliptic.org/tanja/

mircea_popescu: see the unclonable functions project etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: iirc she is bernstein's coauthor in pretty much everything, also.

mircea_popescu: guess so