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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00090308 = 2.348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00090593 = 4.3032 BTC [+]
benkay: it's over 9000!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17454 @ 0.001 = 17.454 BTC {2}
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1037354862.97 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00090604 = 4.2584 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWCPUC_ijQ
ozbot: Damien Rice & Melanie Laurent - Everything You're Not Supposed To Be - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 28 @ 0.0099 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 15186 @ 0.001 = 15.186 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28499997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 149 @ 0.001 = 0.149 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.265 = 0.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00090739 = 6.2156 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.119375 = 0.955 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00090798 = 11.4405 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10255 = 0.2051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00090698 = 9.877 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 497 @ 0.001 = 0.497 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16172 @ 0.00090866 = 14.6948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3026 @ 0.00090377 = 2.7348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4874 @ 0.00090377 = 4.405 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
KRS|Gotchawallet: stringpuller you around
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 241 @ 0.00297997 = 0.7182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00090289 = 0.8126 BTC [-]
Duffer1: http://www.gog.com/promo/fallout_series_giveaway_winter_promo_2013
ozbot: GOG.com
Duffer1: ^ free fallout 1, 2, & Tactics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8942 @ 0.00090229 = 8.0683 BTC [-]
jborkl: So seedcoin is going to fund MEXBIt. They are going to funnel bitcoin between the us and mexico as the business plan.
jborkl: Fucking genius :(
nubbins`: i don't get it
nubbins`: they're going to print out private keys and smuggle them over the border?
jborkl: Well, as someone who lives close to mexico. They would end up dead very shortly
jborkl: I guess they think there is a shortage of ways to get $ into mexico
nubbins`: i'm just not sure in what other context it would make sense to have a service that moves btc from one country to another
nubbins`: do they even internet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090229 = 3.2482 BTC [-]
jborkl: Lol, not so much
mike_c: i can't tell if their webpage is broken or just really bad
nubbins`: it can be two things
jborkl: Maybe kidnappings can be paid in btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00090229 = 3.8347 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 374 @ 0.00149824 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {10}
nubbins`: anyone here own a 3d printer?
mikaeldice: I have access to one
mikaeldice: My workplace bought one for us to play with
mikaeldice: The makerbot
mikaeldice: I'm trying to think of a way to prove that a wallet is on a specific machine
mikaeldice: There's an ip address encoded into a transaction, right? Maybe I can have the machine sign a message or something
nubbins`: eh...
pigeons: no no ip address
nubbins`: you could have a thousand machines sharing an ip
mikaeldice: hmm..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.001 = 0.12 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 623 @ 0.00051 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
mikaeldice: I want to make a bet on the strength of the security software being used on the computer, that given the root password and an unencrypted wallet, that still nobody could steal the wallet
nubbins`: well, when you say a specific machine
truffles: bitcoin hunter
nubbins`: how are you planning to identify the machine?
nubbins`: by the os install? the hard drive? the mobo? etc
nubbins`: all can fail and be replaced
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352
ozbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.
mikaeldice: hostname/IP.. I'd probably use linux on EC2, then have the machine run a little program that interfaces with bitcoind and gives out the password whenever someone gives it a bitcoin
KRS|Gotchawallet: EC2 is great
KRS|Gotchawallet: you can probably get it for free even
mikaeldice: Then they can login and try breaking past the rest of the security. Or they can skip the fee and break it without root's password
mikaeldice: But I need a provable way to show that the wallet is on that machine that they're given access to, or people will yell scam
mikaeldice: Each time someone buys the root login, the bitcoin would be added to the wallet for a total pot.. I'd keep it after a month if nobody could break the security
mikaeldice: Or maybe I'd just let it ride forever
truffles: which ppl will yell scam
mikaeldice: People who can't get the wallet, people who think that giving away root access is too permissive and that it's impossible to block root
mikaeldice: Maybe I'd throw something up on bitbet too.. that would be fun to watch
mike_c: you know, i tried urbit and asked for destroyers. never got an answer.
truffles: cant tell if ure trying to fix or exploit :D
mikaeldice: lol, truffles. It'd be a test of sorts, to prove the security software out. If it can hold up to an open invitation to the bitcoin community to try to break it, then I'd say it's relatively secure
Apocalyptic: mikaeldice, would the wallet be encrypted ?
mikaeldice: Nope
Apocalyptic: that's a good starting point, otherwise it doesn't make sense
Apocalyptic: so you provide us with root access to a machine containing a wallet.dat file with the actual (pubkey,privkey) to an address holding coins
mikaeldice: Unencrypted, open SSH port, and optionally pay for a valid root login. The payment gets added to the same wallet hosted on the server
mikaeldice: But I need a way to prove that the wallet is there
Apocalyptic: any hardware firewall ?
mikaeldice: EC2's security groupings on ports other than 80 and 22
Apocalyptic: software firewall ?
mikaeldice: Nah, I could disable iptables
Apocalyptic: ok
mikaeldice: I'd even make a little webapp that interacts with bitcoind so there's another vector for attack
Apocalyptic: "try breaking past the rest of the security" // i guess figuring this out is a part of the challenge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6958 @ 0.00090229 = 6.2781 BTC [-]
mikaeldice: Yep, but I'll give you a hint, it involves kernel level protection
Apocalyptic: yum
Apocalyptic: so you built a custom kernel ?
kakobrekla: something unhackable this week does not mean unhackable
Apocalyptic: indeed kako
mikaeldice: Nope, it'll use a standard linux kernel.. probably a major service pack version of either centos or ubuntu
mikaeldice: kakobrekla, I'd leave it up for a month or so, maybe longer. A minimum of a month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00089889 = 9.2136 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: cause if you disable file access by inode to this wallet.dat file on the kernel level, there's no much we can or anyone do
mikaeldice: There will be conditional access allowed, or the webapp won't work
Apocalyptic: obviously
mikaeldice: But yeah, it would be kernel level protection of that sort, Apocalyptic
Apocalyptic: you will have a couple of challengers then :)
Apocalyptic: btc initial pot ?
mikaeldice: I'm not sure.. probably 1 BTC to start with, plus whatever challengers throw in
kakobrekla: you need liek 100 btc to get any srs traction
nubbins`: or offer like 1000 free tries
Apocalyptic: what about to say it's kinda low to be worth serious people's time
mikaeldice: I don't have that to throw around. But I could probably start a bitbet for spectators who don't have access.
mikaeldice: Well, there are unlimited free tries if you want to break SSH login as well
mikaeldice: or break the webapp
Apocalyptic: but 100 is maybe a bit much
nubbins`: heh
kakobrekla: i doubt it would get approved cause you can play it
Apocalyptic: I say 10 BTC is decent
mikaeldice: I'd be keeping a keylogger record of everything so I can see how it's broken if it is broken. Maybe I could throw that up on the webapp for spectators
Apocalyptic: only at the end then
Apocalyptic: or others might pick up ideas/current progressions of competitors
mikaeldice: hmm, true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10319999 BTC [+]
mikaeldice: But to go back to the original problem, I need a way to prove that the wallet is there to begin with
mikaeldice: Maybe the webapp can sign a message every hour or something, but I don't know if that'll include the IP address where the message was signed
Apocalyptic: well mikaeldice, the bad news is the first broadcast IP can be easily spoofed
Apocalyptic: I think you don't really have a way to proove it's their
Apocalyptic: *there
mikaeldice: Maybe I could have the initial 1 BTC held in escrow, to be given to someone who can force the webapp to display their own bitcoin address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9348 @ 0.00089785 = 8.3931 BTC [-] {2}
mikaeldice: and if they can do that, they can grab the whole pot. Or the whole pot could be held in escrow
Apocalyptic: but why couple this with a running bitcoind on the server then ?
Apocalyptic: it's not the actual challenge, is it ? you're trying to prove you security system
mikaeldice: I dunno, the excitement of it. I want to show that a hot wallet can be secured
Apocalyptic: just create a file with a randomhash and secure that
Apocalyptic: the one with the knownledge of the hash can claim the btc price
Apocalyptic: it's the hotwallet problem reduced to a more convenient layout
mikaeldice: true, but it lacks a certain panache.. I'd like to see a hot wallet sitting on a server with open root access for a month unmolested
Apocalyptic: it's the same thing
mikaeldice: Effectively, yeah
Apocalyptic: with a different perception perhaps
Apocalyptic: if you really want to do this bitcoind-hotwallet related
Apocalyptic: hum by the
Apocalyptic: *way, is your security system preventing/monitoring the access to wallet.dat only ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3882 @ 0.0008951 = 3.4748 BTC [-]
mikaeldice: No, it would protect other things, like disabling program execution of setuid programs that have been modified, and access to the administrative program to the security software
Apocalyptic: in fact I was incorrect, it's not really an equivalent problem
Apocalyptic: in the sense that with bitcoind you have another attack vector to get the privatekey
Apocalyptic: they are loaded in memory at the start I believe, so if one could dump the memspace of bitcoind you have it
asciilifeform: please bring it on. 10 btc of prize is reasonable.
nubbins`: urbit, i dunno
mikaeldice: nice
mikaeldice: I'd go to 10 if my company would sponsor it, but I doubt they would
mikaeldice: I can throw in 1 myself, plus whatever competitors add
asciilifeform: what are the conditions? do we get unprivileged shell access?
mikaeldice: standard root access, but under restrictions from the security software
asciilifeform: root!?
mikaeldice: Yep
asciilifeform: ok let's play!
mikaeldice: root for 1 BTC, or if you want to break into SSH then you can get it for free
asciilifeform: it'll be mostly a footrace though
iwilcox: brendio: Scamming on -assets?
iwilcox: Good luck.
mikaeldice: Not a scam.. when I do actually post the competition it'll be on the forums, and with an escrow for the BTC
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> it'll be mostly a footrace though // don't be so sure :)
mikaeldice: I came here to try to find the best way to prove it's not a scam, the best I could come up with is escrow
mikaeldice: I'm open to suggestions
Apocalyptic: mikaeldice, so did you count on that ?
asciilifeform: also does 'root' mean something peculiar on your machine?
Apocalyptic: memdump protection
asciilifeform: so the first-comer reads back your disk blockwise
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, i assume it's the standard uid=0 access
mikaeldice: I hadn't, but it'll be taken into account now :D
mikaeldice: It'll be root with uid=0, but with kernel level protection in place restricting it's access
mikaeldice: The job of the contest is to bypass that protection
asciilifeform: if i can't execute arbitrary ring0 instructions, i'm not root
asciilifeform: and we're then playing with words
asciilifeform: but if i can, i win.
asciilifeform: or, probably not me, but the first fellow who plays
mikaeldice: I'll leave your hint to this.. somewhere on the system will be an administrative user who can access the security software to disable these protections; the system won't allow you to remove the last security administrator
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10500001 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: can i execute arbitrary ring0 cpu instructions or not?
asciilifeform: that's what 'root' means on planet earth.
mikaeldice: arbitrary? No, or it wouldn't be protected
asciilifeform: then it's a lie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.04002513 = 0.1601 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: and i'm not root.
asciilifeform: just an unprivileged account labeled 'root'
mikaeldice: In that case, there would be effectively no user who is root
asciilifeform: if you want a privilege escalation 0day out of me (or the next guy) it's gonna cost you more than 10btc.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you have one ?
asciilifeform: no comment
Apocalyptic: thought so
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: why? you'd care to share yours here?
Apocalyptic: not really
Apocalyptic: was just interested if you were into this kind of thing
Apocalyptic: not asking you to disclose anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3118 @ 0.0008951 = 2.7909 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i do it for a living.
Apocalyptic: oh
asciilifeform: it isn't exciting or glorious.
Apocalyptic: i know some guys working @Vupen
Apocalyptic: yeah, it depends
Apocalyptic: i heard it's kinda badly paid, for what it is
asciilifeform: it's badly paid if you sell exploits as such
asciilifeform: (not to mention the counterparty risk!)
Apocalyptic: depends who you sell to / where i guess
Apocalyptic: russian blackmarket or gov isn't the same rate
asciilifeform: counterparty risk is about the same in either case.
copumpkin: brendio: hey
brendio: whats up you fucking faggot?
copumpkin: ???
brendio: what you want?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, what do you mean in this specific case by CP risk ?
Apocalyptic: copumpkin, it's a squatter
copumpkin: I figured
asciilifeform: as in, they club you over the head and take the goods instead of paying
copumpkin: the real one wouldn't call me that
asciilifeform: or, if you deliver prior to payment, simply abscond.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.0008951 = 3.5876 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: i somehow assumed in this case of business they pay prior to delivery
asciilifeform: then the risk is on the buyer. you could easily sell the 'whore's virginity' many times.
asciilifeform: afaik this is actually the norm in '0day markets'
Apocalyptic: if you're a well known corp like Vupen there's no much risk for the buyer
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: but i'm not vupen. and, afaik, you are also not vupen.
Apocalyptic: indeed
asciilifeform: nor do i particularly wish to be vupen.
Apocalyptic: why so ?
asciilifeform: because i'm me.
asciilifeform: don't need to be someone else.
Apocalyptic: i'm sure you are you, how is that revelant to why you're not wishing to work @vupen eludes me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02301114 = 0.2531 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: how is it irrelevant? :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00297997 = 0.751 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 671 @ 0.001 = 0.671 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 137 @ 0.001 = 0.137 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6195 @ 0.0008951 = 5.5451 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.00261382 = 0.3267 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 348 @ 0.001 = 0.348 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00260001 = 0.1144 BTC [-] {2}
kanzure: has anyone made a scrooge mcduck bitcoin pool yet
KRS|Gotchawallet: sounds like such fun! much profits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 126 @ 0.001 = 0.126 BTC {2}
mike_c: hehe, this must be old.
mike_c: http://m.memegen.com/asLC10.jpg
mike_c: that was like, 2 months ago!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285564 = 0.2856 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5205 @ 0.00089711 = 4.6695 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7426 @ 0.00089911 = 6.6768 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotchawallet: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101270093
ozbot: European watchdog throws cold water on Bitcoin
iwilcox: ;;ident defaced
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'defaced', with hostmask 'defaced!~lakersz@201.209.14.6', is identified as user 'defaced`', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1Jpa1EJ5yPceMfpAwGsMfmp7421fYvvomz
defaced: shhhh
iwilcox: Amazed you find any marks in -assets, defaced. But, scam away.
defaced: you really dont do anything with ur life huh
defaced: damn shame
iwilcox: What do you contribute to society, defaced?
defaced: i beat the fuck outa
defaced: people like you bro
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 87 @ 0.00181371 = 0.1578 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00089949 = 8.86 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00090058 = 2.2064 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4342 @ 0.00090058 = 3.9103 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.265 = 0.795 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.0026 = 1.04 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 126 @ 0.001 = 0.126 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 374 @ 0.001 = 0.374 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00090237 = 10.0163 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 503 @ 0.001 = 0.503 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00090126 = 7.6229 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC
KRS|Gotchawallet: ;;seen stringpuller
gribble: I have not seen stringpuller.
KRS|Gotchawallet: ;;seen yournuts
gribble: I have not seen yournuts.
Apocalyptic: much strings
KRS|Gotchawallet: such fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6423 @ 0.00089911 = 5.775 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277 @ 0.0008988 = 0.249 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0008988 = 2.1571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27949598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 521 @ 0.001 = 0.521 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13545 @ 0.00089893 = 12.176 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 263 @ 0.001 = 0.263 BTC
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3945826#msg3945826
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
pankkake: seriously I am the only one WTFing?
pankkake: he sent me a nonsensical PM too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26500001 BTC [-]
pankkake: they must have some interesting drugs in Cyprus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Seriously case number 1 for outsourcing communications on bitcointalk is the potential to reveal your enterprise is actually just a couple of dudes playing on the forums for 20+ hours a day.
pankkake: he seems to have recruited people actually
KRS|Gotchawallet: but thanks for sharing
pankkake: which is better than, say, kSLAUTHER only recruiting his family
KRS|Gotchawallet: oop nvm
BingoBoingo: pankkake: In that sense though Labcoin also "recruited" people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 127 @ 0.001 = 0.127 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 386 @ 0.00089893 = 0.347 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00089893 = 0.2778 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder if the end game for Havelock is closure or more of a disintegration into a cryptostocks like ghetto
pankkake: interestingly both claim they don't list scams, in some way
pankkake: https://cryptostocks.com/welcome/help mentions delisting etc.
fiat500: pankkake: kslaughter is an interesting personality
pankkake: how so?
fiat500: mid 90's he built this 3d strip club/sex simulator that he tried to sell to strip clubs so they can expand their user base
fiat500: there are videos of this you can find online
fiat500: interesting concept, curious execution
pankkake: links? :)
fiat500: ill hunt for it
fiat500: they only had 1 client
fiat500: he then moved on to the filesharing scene
pankkake: I only found his weird hosting company on archive.org which at one time was a "buy a hosting business" page
fiat500: not sure what website he ran exactly, but he stopped when they raided kim dotcom
fiat500: and now he's in bitcoin (probably influenced by his nephew)
fiat500: he doesnt strike me as a scammer, but definitely a serial "get rich quick" schemer
pankkake: true
fiat500: google is no help, if anyone has chatlogs from #bitfunder the link will be in there
fiat500: (he volunteered this info and link himself, and was very proud of it too)
fiat500: strange considering his age
pankkake: I thought he was pretty conservative, indeed
fiat500: anyway, he strikes me as a mafioso more than anything
fiat500: very interesting character
pankkake: haha
fiat500: no shortage of those in the bitcoin scene thats for sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2692 @ 0.001 = 2.692 BTC
BingoBoingo: Sometime late last year, a publication released an article on Bitcoin Barons or Bitcoin movers and shakers that was linked to recently and I can't seem to find the link anymore. Among the listed names were Nefario, Diablo-D3, and Caldwell. It came from a fairly major publication. If any of the aspiring bitpoor are listening on this channel or reading the logs, I'm offering a 0.025 BTC bounty to anyone who can find the link.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
fiat500: as for havelock, i find it surprising that pico is likely to outlast all of the non-mpex bitstock exchanges
fiat500: wouldnt have predicted that in july thats for sure
pankkake: did you miss pico being "hacked"? :)
fiat500: and yet here we are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1714 @ 0.00089893 = 1.5408 BTC [+] {2}
fiat500: the circumstances of that "hack" are fishy, but they ate the loss.. perhaps it is an elaborate ruse
BingoBoingo: fiat500: I'm pretty sure being insolvent due to hack essentially makes picostocks the new cryptostocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5359 @ 0.00089887 = 4.817 BTC [-] {2}
fiat500: they are hashing at 500TH
fiat500: not quite insolvent
pankkake: did they pay the missing dividends? I'm following that loosely
BingoBoingo: Hashing at a fixed 500TH might as well be insolvent when (BTC hacked) > 5 BTC
pankkake: still they lied multiple times about 100th and coint
fiat500: pankkake: why i said i wouldnt have predicted this
fiat500: the "cold wallet" being stolen was pretty cute
Apocalyptic: indeed
fiat500: had to re-read that a few times
Apocalyptic: i wonder why he was thinking
Apocalyptic: that makes the statement so much legit
fiat500: i guess we have greatly divergent definitions of cold :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 342 @ 0.0026 = 0.8892 BTC [-] {3}
Apocalyptic: cold = on my windows desktop
fiat500: also the funds were sent to a picostocks address
fiat500: i feel like the people who threw money at 100th really just dont want to know what happened
fiat500: sort of like when you're sick but don't want to visit a doctor in case its something terrible
fiat500: im citing the silence on their bitcointalk thread
BingoBoingo: I think a safe rule of thumb for anything BTC is that Mining=Scam until delivery.
fiat500: its too bad these guys have to keep proving mp right, wish someone would prove him wrong for once :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8514 @ 0.00090116 = 7.6725 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: fiat500, some did
Duffer1: ;;ident duffer1
gribble: Nick 'duffer1', with hostmask 'Duffer1!~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
Apocalyptic: but these are the exceptions
Duffer1: bah
fiat500: like who?
KRS|Gotchawallet: whats with these dumps someone wants the price lower
fiat500: KRS|Gotchawallet: not everything is a conspiracy
Apocalyptic: fiat500, I don't remember specific names but if you browse a bit on the forums i'm sure you 'll find some
fiat500: btc on an upswing -> makes perfect sense that people will dump
KRS|Gotchawallet: i guess
fiat500: if there weren't two sides to the market we'd either be at zero or the moon now
KRS|Gotchawallet: yea the market decides in the end
KRS|Gotchawallet: buying pressure is strong
fiat500: Apocalyptic: i will say that this is the most creative destruction of wealth i've seen
KRS|Gotchawallet: haha
KRS|Gotchawallet: must be U.S. Washington insiders, they're good at that
Apocalyptic: fiat, what is ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6506 @ 0.0008988 = 5.8476 BTC [-]
fiat500: we havent even seen the worst of it yet - these resources thrown into single purpose hardware
Apocalyptic: oh mining
fiat500: with a self-fulfilling prophecy of obsoletion
Apocalyptic: yeah
fiat500: at least before you could resell your GPUs to gamers
Apocalyptic: and reprogram your FPGAs
fiat500: mining and derivative mining products
BingoBoingo: Duffer1 has claimed the bounty for finding the article per: "Sometime late last year, a publication released an article on Bitcoin Barons or Bitcoin movers and shakers that was linked to recently and I can't seem to find the link anymore. Among the listed names were Nefario, Diablo-D3, and Caldwell. It came from a fairly major publication. If any of the aspiring bitpoor are listening on this channel or reading the logs, I'm offeri
BingoBoingo: ng a 0.025 BTC bounty to anyone who can find the link."
fiat500: the latter is just as bad if not worse
Apocalyptic: <fiat500> mining and derivative mining products // I disagree with the latter
fiat500: there is a "well respected" mining coop running now with 10k shares, several hundred shareholders, mining at 700GH/s
fiat500: but wait, there's more, the hope is in january they will be hashing at 28TH/s
Apocalyptic: i don't see the Deprived's DMS as a destruction of wealth , though it's most creative for sure
fiat500: over 24k shares
fiat500: this is a "coop" with a market cap of ~1k BTC
fiat500: not familiar with Deprived
fiat500: but i felt my anecdote was representative of the state of affairs, most setups have similar stories
Apocalyptic: did you see dandan claiming some corp is going to announce 5 TH/s machines soon ?
fiat500: oh shit
fiat500: i remember the DMS thing haha
fiat500: that was pure genius
Apocalyptic: :)
fiat500: how did it do?
Apocalyptic: it's doing good, although they have no exchanges to trade them
Apocalyptic: so very illiquid
fiat500: i made a few btc on difficulty futures
pankkake: seems a bit stuck because of ciphermine bonds, but otherwise it escaped unharmed from the other failures
fiat500: i envy TAT for virtualmine, that was also genius
fiat500: Apocalyptic: what does dandan know about anything?
fiat500: just curious
Apocalyptic: he was at that bitcoin inside conf in Vegas last week
Apocalyptic: heard the dude talking about it
fiat500: ah, interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 418 @ 0.00260256 = 1.0879 BTC [-] {3}
Duffer1: ;;ident Duffer1
gribble: Nick 'Duffer1', with hostmask 'Duffer1!~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'Duffer1', with GPG key id D5B0A00741A54A60, key fingerprint 68D283ADB0688306D98C5BE0D5B0A00741A54A60, and bitcoin address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG
Duffer1: gpg4win hates me
pankkake: gpg4lose
BingoBoingo: ;;rate Duffer1 1 Searches well
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Duffer1 has been recorded.
Duffer1: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 does what he says he'll do
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
fiat500: so the rat race continues
fiat500: feels to me like just sitting on btc and waiting for competitive mining to bring the price up is a better deal than betting on effervescent hardware
BingoBoingo: Prolly unless everyone does it...
fiat500: human greed is predictable, lots of people seeing dollar signs
Apocalyptic: fiat500, exactly my point
Apocalyptic: that's why i'm sitting out this mining frenzy
fiat500: those building services around btc will do far better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3449 @ 0.00089957 = 3.1026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.265 = 0.795 BTC [-] {2}
fiat500: coinbase is just kicking ass right now
fiat500: 1:25 AM <BingoBoingo> Prolly unless everyone does it...
fiat500: there are still people mining with gpus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.263011 = 0.526 BTC [-]
pankkake: mining *bitcoin*?
fiat500: yes
pankkake: that's silly
pankkake: you can make more bitcoins by mining altcoins
BingoBoingo: fiat500: And they've been right beat if they haven't been mining and dumping altcoins
fiat500: for some its "supporting the network"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0026 = 0.26 BTC [-]
pankkake: they're not statistically significant anymore
pankkake: so it's just to feel good I guess
fiat500: im not defending them
pankkake: I just try to understand :)
BingoBoingo: If people want to really donate to "support" the network they can run VPS nodes with walletless instances of bitcoind
fiat500: i think they need a math refresher
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 613 @ 0.0026 = 1.5938 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: eheh, that's what I'm doing (running a node with good connectivity/many connections)
pankkake: + seeding the bootstrap torrent
fiat500: AM's 300MH/s usb miners were the lulz
pankkake: because initial syncing is so slow
fiat500: i'd love to see some recent numbers for those
pankkake: and even sometimes tx propagation is slow
fiat500: pankkake: this is something that will hopefully be fixed soon via software
BingoBoingo: fiat500: Probably not by the "devs" though
fiat500: no i mean by the devs
fiat500: last i heard a fix had been specced out
fiat500: google bloom filter blockchain
BingoBoingo: bloomfilter has been done already, it mostly benefits spv clients
fiat500: oh, guess im behind
pankkake: I've seen the thing - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2964
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 285 @ 0.0026 = 0.741 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Lolz: "gmaxwell commented 3 months ago: Pulltester where are you?"
fiat500: pankkake: this PR was closed
pankkake: yeah, but I've seen them talk about something similar lately
fiat500: right, gavin mentioned it on /r/bitcoin
fiat500: but he said it was as-yet not implemented
KRS|Gotchawallet: omg
KRS|Gotchawallet: almost broke $1K
KRS|Gotchawallet: huge buy at mp
KRS|Gotchawallet: sorry on gox
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 976.87, Best ask: 983.47268, Bid-ask spread: 6.60268, Last trade: 976.865, 24 hour volume: 14696.92865596, 24 hour low: 839.5, 24 hour high: 990.0, 24 hour vwap: 915.44161
pankkake: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1226.800000000000 USD = 1.28447281662 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 907 @ 0.00090126 = 0.8174 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00089675 = 11.5681 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: My has TradeFortress's forum trust fallen "Trust: -363: -7 / +7(7)"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27689989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 33595 @ 0.00008329 = 2.7981 BTC [-] {15}
pankkake: added "Went from DefaultTrust to Default" for the lulz, but it's really useless now
pankkake: his sent feedbacks were actually useful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00089567 = 5.9562 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Maybe pankkake? A distinct problem is that even an actual inputs.io hack can't absolve him of having been CoinLender's operator and primary borrower simultaneously.
pankkake: I'm not arguing that
pankkake: starting inputs.io was awfully convenient given his other businesses
BingoBoingo: Sure. It was also useful for people like Dooglus who had the sense to make TF keep coins on deposit in the event of an Input.io default.
BingoBoingo: A problem I am seeing though is that if TradeFortress was the primary borrower from Coinlenders and ran both Input.io and Coinlenders under TradeFortress that this might actually should have been a Coinlenders default.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26301005 = 0.789 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Not only could be not manage a wallet safely, he seems incapable of managing a default properly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00090242 = 5.234 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: so he took the easy route trying to cover his lies about CL
Apocalyptic: what was there to cover for CL ?
Apocalyptic: I thought all loans were secured
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.26156439 = 8.3701 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: These are then answers only time can give us.
Apocalyptic: you seem to know more than that
BingoBoingo: I wish
Apocalyptic: so why are you suggesting it was a CL default coverup ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Bitcoin problems. Knowing if Inputs was actually a hack or an insider theft (and there was one insider) will require an eventual spending of the coins devlared hacked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4665 @ 0.00089668 = 4.183 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: oh i think that's beyound doubt
Apocalyptic: it was an inside theft like bitcoinica
Apocalyptic: question is how is that related to CL
Apocalyptic: (aka TF decided to hack himself for the lulz of it)
BingoBoingo: If TF borrowed from Coinlenders personally though and Inputs.io was hacked, it would seem paying inputs borrowers with coinlenders funds would be most prudent. They are related through the same operator. i am simply imagining how action should have happened in the most charitable situation, the unlikely one in which there was an actual hack and no relic collectors.
Apocalyptic: oh I see
BingoBoingo: Knowing whether he was actually hacked or just stole shit because bitcoin is unknowab le except under certain conditions. I'm just rambling in light of how his trust fell, about how in the best case for him his incompetence prevents his handling of this from being the best case, or the second best case with respect to a claim to competence he might have offered or professed to have offered in the past.
BingoBoingo: Seeing as how VC n00bs are attempting to rehabilitate Zhou Tong and Amir Taaki, it is probably prudent to establish in the future for these sorts of failure why such things should not be considered possible.
Apocalyptic: " Zhou Tong and Amir Taaki" you forgot Nefario here
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Zhou and Amir have actual backing. To my knowledge Nefario just has n00bs still seeking backing.
Apocalyptic: nope, some VC is backing Nefario as well
Apocalyptic: in his recent BTC exchange project in the UK
BingoBoingo: I might have to read a bit. Didn't know his new UK project has backing.
fiat500: "should not be considered possible."
fiat500: what things?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/29/coinfloor/
Apocalyptic: "with news today that Passion Capital and Hinrikus, now obviously clued up a little, have joined forces to back new London-based Biticoin exchange Coinfloor."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3077 @ 0.00089562 = 2.7558 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Isn't citing TechCrunch like citing Social Text? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
Apocalyptic: i get what you mean, but do you thing this specific info I quoted isn't accurate ?
pankkake: what is Social Text?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3473 @ 0.0008949 = 3.108 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: First sentence second paragraph "Not least was Passion Capital’s Stefan Glaenzer who openly described himself as “totally clueless” and “on a learning mission” regarding Bitcoin."
pankkake: IIRC CoinLenders became awfully non-transparent, so it was already guessable something was up
BingoBoingo: pankkake: The "academic" journal pranked in the Skokal affair
pankkake: oh, right
BingoBoingo: Maybe it speaks kind of well for BTC that Stefan Glaenzer is willing to throw away Dollars or Pounds (Seriously how long ago was the last time a paper Pound Sterling represented an actual Pound of Sterling Silver) in order to get into BTC. Even if it is a suicide mission for his investment.
pankkake: In November 2012 Glänzer admitted to sexually assaulting a woman on the London Underground after police witnessed the assault. He said he was on a "drugs binge" at the time of the incident
fiat500: now this is money well-spent http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/12/oculus-raises-an-extra-75-million-to-bring-rift-headset-to-market/
BingoBoingo: "Who hasn't been in a drunked stupor?" to cite the Illustrious Toronto Mayor Rob Ford
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1307 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1633 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00090019 = 7.5211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00090116 = 10.4985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9964 @ 0.00089929 = 8.9605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 576 @ 0.001 = 0.576 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6177 @ 0.00089482 = 5.5273 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyone wanting to become a duke : dukedom for sale. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352
mircea_popescu: perhaps a little on the expensive side.
BingoBoingo: Sounds cheap for a Dukedom. Expensive for a Dukedom of that though.
mircea_popescu: seeing how the modern state has legislated itself into a corner, i don't see it i tell you.
mircea_popescu: there's certainly no value in the scraps of an old dukedom.
KRS|Gotchawallet: if you become a duke, does that mean you wear a cape from now on?
mircea_popescu: not like it comes with the right/obligation to raise an army, administer justice and certify brides' virginity or anything
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotchawallet i thought capes were for cunts.
KRS|Gotchawallet: maybe..capes could have been made obsolete too
KRS|Gotchawallet: nobody wears capes in the U.S. i suppose if you did you would worry people
mircea_popescu: s/cunts/counts
mircea_popescu: dukes get nice pearly hats.
BingoBoingo: Anyone actually make anything with Urbit?
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotchawallet http://assets3.parliament.uk/woa/woa-zoom-popup/woa-large/2593-1-h.tif << as you can see. they're all dukes there. york, lancaster, clarence, gloucester etc
KRS|Gotchawallet: yes a count would wear a cape..hmm. it would be cool to be a duke. i have a friend who became a minister by sending an application and paying a $14 dollar service charge. isnt that weird.
mircea_popescu: it sounds like the us.
KRS|Gotchawallet: ah yes..and duke of oil
KRS|Gotchawallet: eh erl
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they failed to make a strip poker
mircea_popescu: kinda the end of it, even z80 had a strip poker.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. I figured they would.
mircea_popescu: the world has very little talent and most of it is sorely mismanaged.
BingoBoingo: It's like how apparently MINIX 3 i supposed to be a big thing when they just made small changes to the MINIX kernel and just ripped the old NetBSD userland.
mircea_popescu: not really related tho, from what i gather urbit was actually a from-scratch thing
BingoBoingo: Sure, urbit was from scratch, but it can't find anyone capable of actually building anything from scratch. Minix is that ancient thing, couldn't sell textbooks anymore and then they just ripped NetBSD and people still don't care about it.
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: no one cares about netbsd either
mircea_popescu: i think that's more of a ltc thing, no one cares but it can't hurt to have around.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Consumer electronics manufacterers love NetBSD.
pankkake: well I hope netbsd devs actually understand the code their are touching
pankkake: they*
BingoBoingo: Want to make a portable DVD player on whatever this month's cheapest chip is? FreeBSD might not support the architecture.
pankkake: netbsd makes many claims about architectures, but many are also broken
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, for the fringe shit where they overlap the OpenBSD implementations tend to be better (Machintosh 68K as an example)
BingoBoingo: pankkake: The choice though I imagine ends up to being throw money at code or throw money at chips.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00089583 = 10.0781 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Another problem is people assume "compiles on" architecture X means once compiled works the sames as compiled on architecture Y does.
pankkake: one of the reason the bigger ones (linux, freebsd) are the ones running on those architectures: it's actually tested
BingoBoingo: pankkake: It isn't quite so simple though. On the popular architectures you get most of the OS choices though.
BingoBoingo: Sometime you find somthing like OpenGenera that only works on DEC Alpha processors running HP TruUx under it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00089507 = 4.8334 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00089482 = 3.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0008966 = 6.859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00089425 = 4.3818 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: what is a popular architecture these days?
thestringpuller: x86_64?
azoo: I recall from few years back that there was a site on which someone could buy shares for BC related companies
azoo: anyone happens to know the name?
thestringpuller: uuuuhhhh
thestringpuller: it's called mpex azoo
thestringpuller: the only companies I would personally invest in is S.NSA, S.MPOE, or S.BBET
thestringpuller: Asicminer shares are sold on havelock
truffles: s.nsa lol
thestringpuller: S.NSA already is taking preorders on the cardano
thestringpuller: so I mean revenue is sure to come through unless the ipo is bubbling like boiling water
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I don't know if there is one worth mentioning.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00012 / 0.0001471 / 0.00016 (12171 shares, 1.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00011006 / 0.000234 (512079 shares, 56.36 BTC)
jurov: what???? cardano preorders???
thestringpuller: "perorders"
thestringpuller: isn't there like a list of people who already are committing to buying one upon release jurov ?
jurov: if, then is strictly unofficial.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to see a cardano preorder commitment regime
jurov: there are only shareholders so far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285248 = 0.2852 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: thestringpuller: and just few hours ago i have argued with mircea about advertising
jurov: and His Popescuousness said no produc, no advertising
jurov: and no preorders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.002852 = 0.6274 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and no bitbet volume, too :(
thestringpuller: we need to make bitbet mainstream
thestringpuller: get bookies to use it
thestringpuller: then there would be more volume
truffles: feels like i just woke up, but it was 10 hrs ago, is time passing me by??
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00056 / 0.00056 / 0.00056 (20 shares, 0.01 BTC), 7D: 0.00056 / 0.00059883 / 0.0006 (686 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00066634 / 0.00075 (47266 shares, 31.50 BTC)
thestringpuller: lol jurov you weren't kidding about no volume....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2418 @ 0.0008966 = 2.168 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/HH9mqRc.jpg - what is bitcoin?
pankkake: what is that blue screen?
ThickAsThieves: ;;g Jeopardy
gribble: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;google Jeopardy
gribble: This is JEOPARDY! - America's Favorite Quiz Show®: <http://www.jeopardy.com/>; Jeopardy! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy!>; JeopardyLabs - Online Jeopardy Template: <https://jeopardylabs.com/>
truffles: channel 25
thestringpuller: truffl-opa-lus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0008966 = 0.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.002555 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26140001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.0008966 = 0.8518 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0008963 = 8.6941 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: thestringpuller: i meant the cardano bet
jurov: where i'm so far betting with myself
ThickAsThieves: isnt this MP's thing? put money on your delivery if you are for realz
ThickAsThieves: or did cardano never say itd be out this year?
pankkake: no clear promise or preorder, so he can get away with not doing it…
pankkake: ooh someone tried to make a starcraft bet but it was rejected :(
Duffer1: what was the bet?
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
Duffer1: mc best protoss or best protoss is mc
gribble: Current Blocks: 274671 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1520 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1052915670.97 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.91508
pankkake: :D no scarlett vs. naniwa showmatch (that I didn't know about)
Duffer1: oh the 12btc one?
pankkake: wow! you're right they're competing for BTC!!
pankkake: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/naniwa-and-scarlett-to-go-head-to-head-in-a-bo7-show-match/1100-306/
ozbot: NaNiwa and Scarlett to go head to head in a BO7 show match. - onGamers
pankkake: I wouldn't call 12 BTC a "showmatch", though they're probably filthy rich already
Duffer1: naniwa's probably doing alright even though he's not as good as koreans hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15993 @ 0.00089683 = 14.343 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: i don't think i've ever seen scarlett play competitively, i saw her casting at homestory cup, she sounds like she knows her game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00295941 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {4}
Duffer1: and having sc2 players compete for btc is brilliant
pankkake: she casted? interesting
Duffer1: a couple games only
Duffer1: have you seen homestory cup? everyone gets a turn at the mic
pankkake: I've been out of the loop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00297839 = 0.3187 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.002979 = 0.1936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00089575 = 3.9861 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 900.02, Best ask: 907.76569, Bid-ask spread: 7.74569, Last trade: 896.0, 24 hour volume: 16677.20007426, 24 hour low: 839.5, 24 hour high: 990.0, 24 hour vwap: 922.16502
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.2249 * 922 - 195
gribble: 12.3578
mircea_popescu: so bitpay is basically charging 2x paypal.
pankkake: what?
pankkake: isn't bitpay using bitstamp?
pigeons: no they dont
pigeons: they sell off-exchange
ThickAsThieves: bitpay will charge whatever they can get away with, just like paypal
ThickAsThieves: write a blog about the price
ThickAsThieves: maybe itll go down
ThickAsThieves: get Bitcoin Magazine to let you do a guest post about how bitpay is a ripoff and how that's bad for the movement
ThickAsThieves: thatll get Gallipi to pay attention
pigeons: heh
pankkake: https://bitpay.com/bitcoin-exchange-rates
ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Rates | BitPay
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 877.0, Best ask: 878.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 877.0, 24 hour volume: 15931.72888633, 24 hour low: 840.0, 24 hour high: 920.42, 24 hour vwap: 878.24983594
pigeons: exchange rates is not what they charge you to process your payments
Duffer1: that's actually a pretty good idea tat
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't care that much tbh.
asciilifeform: "
asciilifeform: dukedom" sold! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352
ThickAsThieves: it goes hand in hand with the argument that a bitcoin ebay cant exist without better prices
pigeons: well it might be a good idea, but gallipi owns part of bitcoin magazine so good luck getting the article in
mircea_popescu: i could just email him omg.
pankkake: their exchange rate is moving quite a lot
pankkake: so depending on when you click "pay"… you get something different
ThickAsThieves: mp, you must make a scene
ThickAsThieves: this is bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: hell, email the forbesy guy
ThickAsThieves: have him write a half-assed article on it
ThickAsThieves: his boss will give him a cookie for the story
mircea_popescu: i think it'd rather shoot some bowside snark and let it be at that lol
pigeons: heh matonis owns bitcoin magaine too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wd!
ThickAsThieves: btc mag has the branding okay, but the content is really off the mark
pigeons: it used to be unreadable, it seems to have gotten slightly better sometimes?
mircea_popescu: what;'s the branding, "the trade rag that sucked so bad we had to steal it from the original nuts" ?
ThickAsThieves: they cant decide whether to be a source for interesting original btc content, shill, or intellectual/sciences theory
pigeons: i dont think they are interested in the content, they seem like marketers
ThickAsThieves: the theory articles are often too random in nature
ThickAsThieves: like it's a place for their nerd friends to wax about their latest idea
mircea_popescu: usg amirite ?
mircea_popescu: (usg = user generated content, ftr)
mircea_popescu: ((ftr = for the record))
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/8696/the-bitpay-boom/
ozbot: The BitPay BOOM – Bitcoin Magazine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
ThickAsThieves: foundation shill shills magazine owner biz, on owners shill mag site
mircea_popescu: wait, just 50k transactions !?
mircea_popescu: holy shit for all the hassle that's all !?
mircea_popescu: nm i take it all back, they can have 6%
ThickAsThieves: but they have 10000+ merchants
pankkake: note to bitbet mods whoever they are: remove the "" around Scarlett in the title of the starcraft bet, I messed up (but already sent the wager)
ThickAsThieves: 5 tx each!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you realise avg purchase is probably 0.001
nubbins`: hi
ThickAsThieves: hey nubs
ThickAsThieves: you listen to Greg MacPherson at all?
pankkake: I don't think so. it's a good way to "cash out" your btc without going through the hassle of an exchange
pankkake: or having $5000+ transactions alerting the tax man
mircea_popescu: that's the most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
mircea_popescu: what in bitpay's structure gives you the delusion of tax immunity ?
nubbins`: haven't listened to him, nope
ThickAsThieves: he's canadian
ThickAsThieves: sorta like prairie rock but very blue collar
pankkake: for example, in France, any transaction over 5000 EUR gets you tracfin, automatically
ThickAsThieves: like The Weakerthans with balls
mircea_popescu: BitPay processed 6,296 bitcoin transactions in a single day, making it the most popular day in the history of bitcoin commerce. On November 29, more than 6% of all transactions on the bitcoin network were spent on goods and services through BitPay’s platform.
mircea_popescu: lol that's so cute.
ThickAsThieves: can that even be true?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "The only caveat is that we need KYC on the buyer"
mircea_popescu: um ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's non-mpoe-pr-style pr. you know, like bfl used to do it.
asciilifeform: there wasn't any KYC nonsense when Mr. M (Curtis Yarvin) spoke to me re: the original award.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00089861 = 7.4585 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but doesn';t this seem a little... strange, so to speak ?
asciilifeform: i just emailed him my (not a secret at all) meatspace name.
asciilifeform: and he put me on the urbit-dukes mailing list back in '10.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOu6e-_qgKE
ozbot: Greg MacPherson Band - California - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: good song to smoke anything to
pigeons: hope the buyer isnt a terrorist
nubbins`: ah, fun, will check it out
mircea_popescu: is he moreover using unfortunate terminology to denote "i'd rather know who the fuck the dukes are" ?
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: a i c
asciilifeform: if you read his original proposals, he regards the dukedoms as an almost literal thing
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: odd man
asciilifeform: that one day they will Take Over the World (TM)
mircea_popescu: i don't take unsigned things to be literal.
asciilifeform: but i don't think he had caught the pgp train yet, back then.
BingoBoingo: This Yarvin guy seems like he could use a bit of Vitamin H
asciilifeform: which is odd, given his background.
mircea_popescu: haha. i'm pretty certain they blew their one chance to be part of the taking over tghe world crew.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00285044 = 0.3335 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, they blew it when they went with 'userspace process on top of unix' when designing 'ab initio computer'.
mircea_popescu: we know of different things.
asciilifeform: see also: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/utp3H7F78so/Dt24fpiT3xcJ
nubbins`: they blew it when they required the user to cum in the user's own mouth while reading the documentation
nubbins`: (sry if the convo has moved on)
mircea_popescu: no, that part is standard fare for computer shit.
mircea_popescu: satoshi did the same thing.
asciilifeform: and also https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/4B12WpF1rL0/hYF3YPuqvR8J (rest of thread)
pankkake: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1051967296.83 based on data since last change | 1077508662.98 based on data for last three days
pankkake: shit
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUE2_TET9I
ozbot: BASE Jumper survives terrifying cliff strike - YouTube
nubbins`: "Injuries: compression fracture of the T12 vertebra, 5 stitches to the eye, 6 stitches to the chin, severely sprained back, wrist and hand, multiple bruised areas"
pankkake: there was nothing left in the brain to damage?
TomServo: asciilifeform: what's the 2010 puzzle you're referring to in that link?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
asciilifeform: TomServo: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/maxwells-equations-of-software.html
BingoBoingo: Favorite part of the second link of that link to that thread asciilifeform "Sent from my iPhone" by Curtis
asciilifeform: puzzle was: 'write a subtraction routine' in Nock.
asciilifeform: i did it with pencil, but wrote a compiler of the language to test: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103
pankkake: omg neo&bee is getting full shilling from activemining shareholders now
pankkake: RIP
asciilifeform: something like 20 people (forget exact #) solved.
asciilifeform: and then puttered around on a mailing list for a while
asciilifeform: waiting for mr. m to write an alpha version of his thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5986 @ 0.00089417 = 5.3525 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00089442 = 7.2895 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.273 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/dVv1Lkx
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why is that part interesting?
nubbins`: freshly baked sourdough
ThickAsThieves: hey thats a dehumidifier rack
nubbins`: nod :D
nubbins`: dehydrator specifically
ThickAsThieves: i still have mine
ThickAsThieves: in a box
ThickAsThieves: from like 1995
nubbins`: i have a ton of them, having broken my first one and purchasing a good one the second time around
nubbins`: was on a really big homemade camping food kick the last few summers
nubbins`: it's nice -- and surprising -- to be able to pour boiling water into a container, wait 5 minutes, and have a delicious meal that's mot full of sodium benzoate and shit
nubbins`: *not
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just seems like an interesting choice for someone who would take to shepherding such a project unless they were already full scheier throwing things out in the wild on orders to waste the time of more capable people like yourself.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it isn't like there is an S.NSA phone he could buy instead.
asciilifeform: not everyone has the luxury of eschewing cell phone.
BingoBoingo: Not yet. That there isn't a great emailing cellphone means though that the cell phone in its lesser forms should be an emailing too at all.
asciilifeform: want a browser in yer pocket? take your pick, aipnohe or pwndroid
BingoBoingo: I don't much understand the appeal of a browser in the pocket.
asciilifeform: browser, mail, etc.
pigeons: i really can't use anything without a physical keyboard, waste of time
asciilifeform: if you're trying to putter about in the u.s. business world, you pretty much have to be able to receive email in the car, train...
asciilifeform: it isn't really negotiable.
asciilifeform: can't even buy a piece of junk without a smartpnohe.
asciilifeform: i once tried to buy some ups batteries on 'craigslist', then stood about in a parking lot for an hour
asciilifeform: turned out, the seller was in a van, sending me mail...
BingoBoingo: Ouch. Pawn shop didn't have any batteries?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1854 @ 0.00051 = 0.9455 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd buy lead-acid battery in a pawn shop?
asciilifeform: shelf life is ~2 yr, useful life: ~5 deep cycles.
nubbins`: the appeal is that you never have to waste a moment -- you can browse upworthy while you're taking a shit.
nubbins`: or never have to not waste a moment, if you like
asciilifeform: if you buy one, treat it the way you'd treat an ms-winblows box kept around for games.
asciilifeform: don't load it with secrets, assume that all input devices (camera, microphone) are logged.
asciilifeform: then it's quite harmless.
BingoBoingo: Fair enough.
nubbins`: man, this sourdough is actually the best batch yet
asciilifeform: and if you carry it on the street, or in a car, treat it as a public announcement, brass band playing, of your goings.
asciilifeform: (same applies to 'dumb' phone)
asciilifeform: the 'dukedom' / KYC thread: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00089901 = 2.4075 BTC [+]
pankkake: these hipsters seem to take themselves very seriously
asciilifeform: not my problem any more! now some other fellow will have to horsewhip peasants, hang thieves, test virginity, in that dukedom.
nubbins`: and a sale is made
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5687 @ 0.00090068 = 5.1222 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i had a great idea for 3d printing an adjustable-length squeegee handle last night
nubbins`: so my bank released an update to their mobile banking app
nubbins`: i can now take a photograph of the front and back of a cheque
nubbins`: and they'll cash it
deadweasel: tits, what bank?
nubbins`: cibc
deadweasel: oh canada
nubbins`: our home and native land
deadweasel: would love my Fed Credit union to do that. but they are small an dnice and easy, not technically savvy tho.
deadweasel: sorry, dont' know the rest of canadian song
deadweasel: I'm a Mainah now though :) Getting CLOSE!
deadweasel: lock your doors.
TomServo: My credit union has that feature in their mobile app, it's handy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13132 @ 0.00089887 = 11.804 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: twist!
asciilifeform: the fellow who bought my 'dukedom': http://www.nostate.com/1364/certificate-of-loss-of-nationality-canceled-us-passport/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11530 @ 0.00089806 = 10.3546 BTC [-]
pankkake: if only it was that easy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04499997 = 0.135 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Lol, and he'd rather have the Urbit than the BTC?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as you can see, he did.
asciilifeform: one of you folks is in slovakia? mebbe say hello to him for me.
ThickAsThieves: i figured out the source of these strange emails
ThickAsThieves: of people asking how to open accounts and buy AM shares
ThickAsThieves: "Your AM100 fund was recommended by Michael Robinson
ThickAsThieves: Is the fund still open
ThickAsThieves: If so please forward the necessary information"
ThickAsThieves: some stock recommender circle named AM100 or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 945 @ 0.00285 = 2.6933 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.094074 = 0.2822 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00089806 = 2.8738 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10500 @ 0.001 = 10.5 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00089806 = 8.0825 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
deadweasel: $avg
mpexbot: deadweasel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
deadweasel: bot revolt
deadweasel: ;;next
deadweasel: ;;shitferbrains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 48 @ 0.0024 = 0.1152 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
jurov: Lol so mike gogulski is onto urbit? Will prod him for you,sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8086 @ 0.00009972 = 0.8063 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00090077 = 7.9268 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 11900 @ 0.001 = 11.9 BTC
jurov: asciilifeform: you should have IPO'd it on havelock
jurov: Although... while i can imagine shareholders dealing with the virgins
jurov: not sure about the other things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.00285 = 0.9548 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00090144 = 1.9381 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1999 @ 0.001 = 1.999 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 19428 @ 0.001 = 19.428 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00090144 = 2.2085 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1503576/plain/
kakobrekla: lulzy
mike_c: love btc bizness. same email: "would you like invest?" "would you like to be our customer support rep?"
ThickAsThieves: registered msb i assume
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00089756 = 3.0517 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00255266 = 0.2119 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
mike_c: are those curly braces new? what do they mean?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 211 @ 0.001 = 0.211 BTC
dexX7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXK1pmxM3qg
ozbot: 7 REASONS WHY DOGECOIN WILL BE SUCCESSFUL - PLZ WATCH AND DONATE, POOR SHIBE NEEDS DOGES - YouTube
dexX7: >_<
dexX7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd4bqmP_460 470.000 views ;)
ozbot: Doge Adventure - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
kakobrekla: mike_c, not new, assbot is merging trades and echoing out each minute if sum from a symbol in that minute is over 0.1 btc
mike_c: ah, thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.26039191 = 3.1247 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: sub 0.1 per minute traffic is on -assets-trades
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.05 = 0.8 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 340 @ 0.001 = 0.34 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 11574 @ 0.001 = 11.574 BTC {2}
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gogulski
ozbot: Mike Gogulski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.256001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6463 @ 0.00089733 = 5.7994 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02644999 = 0.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.0905 = 0.9955 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36298 @ 0.00089617 = 32.5292 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5157 @ 0.00089459 = 4.6134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1260 @ 0.001 = 1.26 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00089733 = 9.8706 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.25150228 = 2.7665 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00089424 = 15.8728 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.001 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00089733 = 6.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3990 @ 0.001 = 3.99 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.14418539 = 2.8837 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.14063 = 1.4063 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7925 @ 0.00089733 = 7.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00255888 = 0.2968 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12407 @ 0.00089937 = 11.1585 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 498 @ 0.001 = 0.498 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25000001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotchawallet: ow my bitcoins..make the selling stop.
KRS|Gotchawallet: i have not seen such destruction of wealth since 1970s Jimmy Carter era Washington DC, USA.
the20year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg3953236#msg3953236
ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7360 @ 0.0008976 = 6.6063 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00275702 = 2.2828 BTC [-] {20}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1172 @ 0.00269828 = 3.1624 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: isn't "gone" the hollywood word to avoid saying dead?
pankkake: wonder what is the avoidance here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2921 @ 0.00263437 = 7.695 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4079 @ 0.00250687 = 10.2255 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 498 @ 0.00249905 = 1.2445 BTC [-] {5}
mike_c: ^ nice. neobee made a great decision to get involved in this.
pankkake: "Going on HavelockInvestments.com right now to sell half my Neo & Bee shares. Watch the price go down." guy was the biggest cheerleader a few hours ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00214749 = 0.6442 BTC [-] {7}
pankkake: lol
pankkake: I can have cheap shares!
ThickAsThieves: good thing you sold at the top!
ThickAsThieves: making money by mistake
ThickAsThieves: the bitcoin way
pankkake: a few satoshi yay
KRS-: haha ThickAsThieves
pankkake: anyway if I rebuy it will be at the lmb thing so it actually gets to the company
ThickAsThieves: though i dont see how this news has any effect on Neo
KRS-: i was seeing funny shit with huge buy and sells when this started
pankkake: indeed… makes no sense
KRS-: im thinking india is about to get on board and someone playing games with the price
mike_c: really? neo "gets involved", communication is terrible, balances "adjusted". not a great reflection.
pankkake: well the only implication is that neo wastes its time
pankkake: (which is actually a big deal, time is worth a lot of btc, especially in Bitcoin!)
ThickAsThieves: lol
pankkake: I wouldn't have sold at loss because of the "news"
KRS-: here we are..lets see if it breaks down
mike_c: plus his posts on the forum have not inspired confidence.
ThickAsThieves: that'll change
mike_c: it may change, but it was still revealing character-wise.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32113 @ 0.00089481 = 28.735 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
the20year: Is mcxnow completely down?
ThickAsThieves: was it ever really up?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00264999 = 0.265 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: I can log on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00281944 = 0.2819 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 572 @ 0.00257774 = 1.4745 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.00235002 = 0.4395 BTC [-] {4}
Kleeck: This was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdkGA_rgHRY
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.25765332 = 0.773 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00229976 = 0.1311 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00248885 = 0.1095 BTC [+] {4}
pigeons: mpex please such doge options
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00089645 = 6.2752 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC
benkay: hey options trades aren't announce in here?
benkay: announced*
pigeons: they aren't -assets
pigeons: no they used to be announced though
pigeons: mabe just low volume lately
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0911 = 0.3644 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3203 @ 0.001 = 3.203 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
benkay: not an asset? semantics or...
benkay: ;;ticker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 27297 @ 0.001 = 27.297 BTC {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;rip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20000 @ 0.001 = 20 BTC
mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2013#413679 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mike_c: few days ago they were
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00258999 = 0.158 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: looking on mpex, no volume since then.
benkay: whoa also where did gribble go?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25915199 = 1.2958 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27449998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 429 @ 0.00259533 = 1.1134 BTC [-] {11}
benkay: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 1464 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6310% in 8d 16h 8m 0s
kanzure: assbot: http://httpbin.org/get
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kanzure: WeeChat/0.4.2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00089645 = 2.9771 BTC [+]
kanzure: it is someone's irc client? hah
asciilifeform: high-quality flamefest: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/RL7DLpg1v9QJ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00089729 = 7.4475 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: how's the cardano coming along?
asciilifeform: benkay: rng done.
benkay: super. standalone?
asciilifeform: it's a separate board, yes
asciilifeform: not standalone in the sense of a separate product, though
benkay: why not?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.0008974 = 0.9423 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008974 = 6.2818 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: might be sold separately at some point; ask mp if you're impatient.
jurov: ETA to finished Cardano?
asciilifeform: depends largely on the factory.
asciilifeform: that's all I'll say on the subject
asciilifeform: why so impatient.
asciilifeform: don't get me wrong, I'm glad somebody wants to buy these things
jurov: mostly curious, only a bit impatient
asciilifeform: see, building a quality 'security product' (that rare bird!) involves quite a bit of work that never shows up in the finished piece.
asciilifeform: mostly investigations into 'what not to do.'
asciilifeform: with actual experiments in subversion; a kind of 'chess against yourself.'
benkay: so happy to have you on the case, asciilifeform
jurov: i know (although only in software)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7832 @ 0.00089845 = 7.0367 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the final result will likely strike people as 'obvious' and 'wtf did he do for this long.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2740 @ 0.0008996 = 2.4649 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but such is life.
jurov: that's why i hope there will be some marketing in contemporary sense
jurov: not just mpoe-pr
Apocalyptic: heh
asciilifeform: mp is the marketing sorcerer, send all related questions/ideas his way.
jurov: i know :)
jurov: but since you deflect all questions ...:)
jurov: oh, and will it run urbit?
Apocalyptic: urbit is dead I heard
asciilifeform: dead?
jurov: cuz you sold it
jurov: hahahaha
asciilifeform: haha
asciilifeform: would be tricky to sell any were it dead...
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, all you need to use cardano is some machine which can read/write usb mass storage.
asciilifeform: and a CR2450 battery.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
asciilifeform: (the latter: included.)
asciilifeform: since you folks love hints and tidbits: the rng operates exclusively off the battery.
asciilifeform: why? 'exercise for the alert reader.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC
jurov: using nsa-compliant-rigged bateries?
asciilifeform: jurov: feel free to install one!
asciilifeform: sadly, i'm all out.
asciilifeform: gotta ask mein fuhrer for more.
jurov: yes, that should be one bullet point "Requires NSA certified battery"
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, i won't be surprised if folks start x-raying batteries before this is over.
asciilifeform: consider the famous israeli cell phone battery.
asciilifeform: (the one they slip to people who are to part with their heads.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5000 @ 0.001 = 5 BTC
jurov: interesting, have you sauce handy?
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Ayyash
ozbot: Yahya Ayyash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: thx. it isn't said if it was in the battery
asciilifeform: most likely spot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.0008996 = 4.7211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4222 @ 0.00089645 = 3.7848 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8578 @ 0.00089504 = 7.6777 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: ;;echo hi
benkay: pretty sure gribble ain't around today mang
nubbins`: yeah, just noticed an "altgribble" in -otc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1380 @ 0.001 = 1.38 BTC
nubbins`: ;;ident nubbins`
nubbins`: ah, but not in here!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.001 = 0.3 BTC