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pizzaman1337: I mean, it's one line in python, but still...
benkay: see?
mircea_popescu: still waht lol
pizzaman1337: I'm still lazy
mircea_popescu: it's just a phase :D
pizzaman1337: so someday you'll sort them for us? ;)
mircea_popescu: no no, your laziness is a phase
pankkake: the day I discovered I could get away with being lazy, I never stopped
jurov: lol pizzaman1337
jurov: pankkake: exactly
dub: 226p 30000w
dub: kill me
truffles: ?
dub: gonna have to scan this thing for random troll outbursts and links from mp too
dub: window focus is hard
jurov: imagine you're the historian that got the task of analyzing the logs
jurov: then you'll fell better that you have only to read them
truffles: jcpham ure guilty ldo
truffles: chat historian
truffles: awesome
jcpham: that's offensive and ignorant to say
truffles: lol ok
jcpham: but w/e
pizzaman1337: so basically, you trade X.EUR if you want to sell BTC, but stay denominated in BTC, not on a traditional exchange, and with 40 EUR spread. Seems mostly like a promotion for B-C to me?
mircea_popescu: i knew i'm not getting paid enough to dfo this.
BingoBoingo: pizzaman1337: Or sell BTC to be delivered by Jurov, in a suitcase
jurov: pizzaman1337: i'd wait for davout and ask him
jurov: i just gave him http://exterface.com/unicorn/ so he's busy atm
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: it wasn't clear if you were getting paid at all
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/pamela-anderson-simpsons-sam-simon-offer-cash-to-sealers-1.2467207
ozbot: Pamela Anderson, Simpsons' Sam Simon offer cash to sealers - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
truffles: omg at that link jurov
dub: save the moosecock eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00090573 = 9.963 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0465 = 0.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0466 = 0.5126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00090336 = 2.5294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 42 @ 0.06809629 = 2.86 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.06009386 = 0.7812 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.046689 = 0.607 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02306198 = 0.2306 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00280001 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00090336 = 11.9695 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00090108 = 15.859 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4457 @ 0.00295305 = 13.1617 BTC [-] {8}
Bugpowder: Anyone know how Second Market's assets under management jumped $20MM today?
Bugpowder: no coins coming into their receiving address
ThickAsThieves: have you asked them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8970 @ 0.00090106 = 8.0825 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: nope
Bugpowder: http://i.imgur.com/IxDHLMy.png
Bugpowder: https://www.secondmarket.com/company/bitcoin-investment-trust
ozbot: Bitcoin Investment Trust - SecondMarket
Bugpowder: nevermind
amidvidy: so what features would you want in a p2p colored coin exchange?
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: Non-existence would be a great property to have
ThickAsThieves: the ability to scam ofc
BingoBoingo: Being built on the Dogecoin blockchain might be an acceptable alternative though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 771 @ 0.0029 = 2.2359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2639 = 0.5278 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder -25% last week ?
mircea_popescu: amidvidy http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ << can always start there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26499999 = 0.53 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "I am Barrister Prince Paul Adeola a solicitor at law." <<
mircea_popescu: eigenvalue hello.
amidvidy: mircea_popescu: interesting, but I disagree.
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00090591 = 11.9662 BTC [+]
amidvidy: 21
amidvidy: not really sure why that matters though.
mircea_popescu: at that age you don't get to disagree.
Vexual: :)
mircea_popescu: it matters like this : twenty somethings don't have enough experience wiping their own bottom to opine on matters financial.
asciilifeform: disagree with: that barrister prince paul adeola is a solicitor at law?
Vexual: you might have got some coloured words if you were older
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was so close might have gone for areola. no courage in the spam business these days
amidvidy: wow, that is pretty persuasive. Regardless, I've been designing a Kademlia based exchange, with support for market and limit orders.
Vexual: make a time machine and tell your womb to avoid mobile phones
truffles: silly rabbit men dont have wombs
mircea_popescu: so have a bunch of other kids. it never goes anywhere, for the stated reasons.
mircea_popescu: but i guess most need to learn from their own experience.
amidvidy: agreed. Even if nobody ever uses it, it's an interesting technical exercise
amidvidy: but i think there is a legitimate demand due to the takedown of sites like bitfunder, btctco, glbse, etc.
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: In most of those cases it wasn't so much a takedown as they surrended...
mircea_popescu: you misjudge both what happened there and what that leads to.
amidvidy: care to elaborate?
mircea_popescu: the takedown of the playsites is related to people making your mistakes (ie, brash notions of youth). it's unrelated to anything that can be resolved technologically.
mircea_popescu: havelock is in the process of fuicking itself in the ass exactly the same way right now./
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC
Vexual: he has no beard to stoke
BingoBoingo: Remember when Havelock was just that weird little site than only wanted to trade a SatoshiDice Passthrough.
amidvidy: I guess I believe that the problem *can* be solved technologically. Just as bitcoin was a better technological solution than say, the Liberty Dollar
amidvidy: or egold, etc.
mircea_popescu: you form beliefs about how a problem can be solved without having bothered to define it ;/
BingoBoingo: amidvidy: Bitcoin largely solves the problem of how to have a distributed ledger of accounts, this is very different from breaking up and distributing a whole exchange
Bugpowder: it was a typo it seams
amidvidy: BingoBoingo: it was an analogy.
amidvidy: The nice thing about a distributed exchange is that an actor can still behave correctly in the presence of partial information, unlike bitcoin
amidvidy: which is why a successful colored coin trading network will be multitier. Tier 1 will contain high-volume "supernodes", similar to MPex, that provide low latency at the cost of some anonymity
mircea_popescu: here's an analogy for you : suppose you're in love, with this luscious young thing. can you see why the device which speeds up her arrival to your current position is great, whereas the device which speeds up your ejaculation once she's reached you is not great ?
amidvidy: Tier 2 will be completely p2p, and trades will be high latency
Vexual: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mefyda5U931r3mxnxo1_1280.jpg time machine
asciilifeform: amidvidy, you would probably like my old crackpot commentary on btc systems:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939
ozbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.
mircea_popescu: back when stan thought btc kinda sucks.
asciilifeform: well, to be fair, the thing i declared to suck - the lamers - continue to suck mightily.
mircea_popescu: aye.
mircea_popescu: they could suck a planet throught a gardenhose.
asciilifeform: and i stand by my hypothesis, that a p2p whatever might be interesting and useful, if not a replacement for any currently-existing widget as such
mircea_popescu: supernodes eh. amidvidy are you also new to bitcoin enough to not have been exposed to the adventures of uppity tortilla ?
asciilifeform: but it would have to be written by something other than muppets.
mircea_popescu: you're not gonna get the decentralised market that's trustless any more than you're going to get the two dimensional dildo that cures aging
Vexual: dig?
mircea_popescu: currencies naturally tend to decentralise, which is why things like forgers. markets always and since forever centralise. tis what they do and not distinct from their actual utility.
truffles: who wouldve thought that 1 up, dildo's and aging
amidvidy: asciilifeform: I think I agree with you at a high level, that may be useless to try to reconstruct btc-based analogs of traditional institutions. That said, I think a p2p exchange could be useful
amidvidy: the NYSE isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Vexual: define soon
amidvidy: 10 years
Vexual: u give mpex 10 years too?
amidvidy: probably not.
mircea_popescu: pity bitbet doesn't take 10 years.
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 638 blocks | Estimated Change: 26.4775% in 3d 5h 54m 27s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012388 = 0.3716 BTC [+]
truffles: asciilifeform if thats ur blog u write well, obv cant read it in on sitting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1137 @ 0.00012387 = 0.1408 BTC [-]
Vexual: i also salute tou ascii
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00090608 = 13.4553 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: that piece was long ago, i'm no longer convinced that everything absolutely must be blockchain-based.
asciilifeform: just as not every vehicle needs Chobham armour.
Vexual: yes no date..
amidvidy: asciilifeform: have you heard of tonika (http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~petar/5ttt.org/) ? Thought of it when I read the part of your article about building systems that incorporate trust
asciilifeform: thought 'this sounds like kademlia', then read to the end.
amidvidy: The author also wrote kademlia, this is his effort to design a DHT that is resistant to Sybil attacks
asciilifeform: amidvidy: this fact is not 'sexy', but it takes quite a bit of work to go from algo to usable software. (why this happens to be so, is largely the subject of my blog)
amidvidy: a recent systems course I took hammered that point in quite hard by having us read Google's "Paxos Made Live" paper
asciilifeform: what they won't teach you is that all of this crap can be made to vanish.
asciilifeform: but i digress.
Vexual: are you taking critical thinking too?
Vexual: i attended a lecture once, asked 3 questions; stack overflow
amidvidy: I use stack overflow for all my critical thinking needs
amidvidy: as Immanuel Kant once said, if the answer isn't googleable, the question isn't worth asking
truffles: ...
truffles: i feel like google is broken, i get relevant stuff at page buttom
Vexual: i even sued a law school i wasn't enrolled in for wasting my time and they settled
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26599 = 0.532 BTC [+]
Vexual: so kid, can you take trustlesness off the chain?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.26599 = 1.064 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://vimeo.com/29785190
ozbot: Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues on Vimeo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.00090612 = 6.3909 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: not bad
Vexual: y want hay goat?
truffles: goat doesnt seem to chat here anymoar
jborkl: Too busy buying Lamborghini s
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc
ozbot: Musical Youth Pass the Dutchie - YouTube
truffles: dunno how i feel about this one
truffles: its not bad not stellar
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdshuUvatzs
ozbot: Baby Sea Lion Wants To Be My Friend - YouTube
Vexual: yall didnt even know you were lookinmg forward to something
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSAd3NpDi6Q
ozbot: Handel - Sarabande - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.046689 = 0.8404 BTC [+]
fiat500: Vexual: how many are you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04669 = 0.6537 BTC [+]
Vexual: uno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [+]
truffles: asciilifeform those methods u desribe are what i thought bitcoin would be, not more of the same..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.271 = 0.542 BTC [+]
Vexual: lamborghini is better than ferrari beacuase they havew blind tractor mechanics as old as the hills working by ear
nubbins`: i hear men with suits flay the calves each day for the seat leather
nubbins`: and they're paid so well that they just throw out their bloody suit at the end of their shift
Vexual: cant have thw boys do it
nubbins`: and wear a new one the next day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC [+]
Vexual: those guys can see the seat as they skin a thick swathe
nubbins`: contours and scallops
nubbins`: the bodies gently tapped into shape with peening hammers
Vexual: thats why i dont own a lamborghini
truffles: not cuz its too expensive?
Vexual: good point truffles
nubbins`: it can be more than one thing
Vexual: it is
Vexual: theres a third
nubbins`: !
Vexual: trees
Vexual: people and shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8368 @ 0.00090475 = 7.5709 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: give me a motorcycle any day
Vexual: not if drunk
Vexual: but if you want to go fast a motorcycle is the only way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16592 @ 0.00090627 = 15.0368 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: well if you like a fine audial note, look to akwasaki
Vexual: no artisan mechanic required
benkay: sounds like an emotional decision.
truffles: ..
Vexual: if you want to hide in the fog of war so noone hears you coming, buy a honda
Vexual: hers the agm: looks cool check abs check hows it sound? ah soh?
truffles: more classical music
Vexual: honda minimises red and brown
Vexual: kawasaki maximises brown disregarding red
Vexual: where brown and red are effectively implied likelyhood for poo and blood respectivly respectively to be excreted by the rider.
Vexual: attend meetings and solve for yamaha and suzuki
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA
ozbot: Led Zeppelin - Stairway To Heaven - YouTube
Vexual: this is classical by automotive standards
truffles: classic != classical
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.272 BTC [+]
Vexual: id probably have the altitude record for a motorcycle crash with no injury
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.000905 = 17.1045 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00295996 = 0.3848 BTC [+] {5}
chsados: whos the dude who handles bitbet.us here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00090248 = 14.0787 BTC [-] {3}
chsados: mircea_popescu, afk?
chsados: i did this bet 18-12-2013 Pending BTCChina Will Cease All Fiat Methods of Funding
chsados: before this freaking announcement
chsados: i hope i dont get funds taken :(
kakobreklaaa: is your tx in the bets table?
chsados: no it hasnt been accepted
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izH0P2rSPnQ he benakke
ozbot: Balinese Suckling Pig (Babi Guling), Travel Video Guide - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00090728 = 1.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00090237 = 11.2327 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHJRTPDMxs
ozbot: L-FRESH The LION - One - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.27489013 = 12.6449 BTC [+] {7}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pImWbM8yii8
ozbot: Busta Rhymes - Thank You Ft. Q Tip, Lil Wayne & Kanye West (Lyrics) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00090731 = 6.8502 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poLJLqAh5dY
ozbot: Suburban Dark ft. Jeswon - Skeletonne - YouTube
kakobreklaaa: chsados, if its not in the table and the bet is closed already on bbet, you re
kakobreklaaa: a
kakobreklaaa: -a
kakobreklaaa: out of luck
kakobreklaaa: sry typing over 3 keyboards
Apocalyptic: it amazes me to see people betting in the last minutes, gambling with the next block time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00090755 = 9.1663 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJXjt5D4zY
ozbot: ill never smoke weed with willie again. - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFaMY6SAGOw
ozbot: Folk Uke I Miss My Boyfriend - YouTube
chsados: serously kakobrekla .....
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxlyHFwq_zs
ozbot: ARLO GUTHRIE _ MOTOR CYCLE SONG. - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00199998 = 0.2 BTC
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAz-Chkb4Q4 here you go kids
ozbot: Triumph Engine Rebuild with Kog (Preview) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.043 = 0.258 BTC [-]
davout: yay ---> <@assbot> [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00199998 = 0.2 BTC
davout: amazing future
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: amazing eu-ture
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: ;;market --ticker eurbtc
gribble: (market ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
benkay: daww
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00090778 = 9.2594 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16136 @ 0.00090786 = 14.6492 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2at-fdeopY
ozbot: Butterfingers - I Love Work - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19049 @ 0.00090431 = 17.2262 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2561 @ 0.00045357 = 1.1616 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000001 BTC [+]
cazalla: should've taken that under 450 bet, looking good now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.28000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00090108 = 5.2713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00295799 = 0.1154 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 468 @ 0.002958 = 1.3843 BTC [+]
chsados: kakobrekla, it got accepted :D http://bitbet.us/bet/670/btcchina-will-cease-fiat-deposits-and-withdrawals/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29493332 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.04835389 = 9.6708 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0494 = 0.2964 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1756 @ 0.0028234 = 4.9579 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.280109 = 2.8011 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.27006772 = 5.9415 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.26599 = 6.3838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00090587 = 9.5569 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P095T] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]
Namworld: I've got the most stupid issue ever...
kakobreklaaa: lemme take a guess, lost pgp key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.0494 = 3.705 BTC [+]
Namworld: No. You know how faint noises fades out after a while even if still there, even if irregular/clicking noise/etc?
Namworld: I got a new electronic thermostat and the heater in the room makes a faint but very strident noise. The problem is the new thermostat alternates the heater on/off every 5 seconds. Not often enough or infrequently enough to fade off to not notice it.
Namworld: It's completly keeping me from sleeping. I'll have to turn it off.
Duffer1: that sounds incredibly annoying
Namworld: If it stayed on then off every 5-10 minutes... okay...
Namworld: But "pfizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ......................" cycle every 10 seconds just seems impossible to ignore.
Namworld: It doesn't fade into background noise since it doesn't last long enough. And it doesn't alternates often enough to appear as a single noise.
Namworld: On the upside, the temperature has never been this stable!
Namworld: That's a very retarded issue tho...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00283002 = 0.1274 BTC [+] {3}
taub_: we crash mode now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.0494 = 9.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P050T] 326 @ 0.02773246 = 9.0408 BTC [-]
pankkake: lol litecoin at 0.026. so much for an hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0009079 = 7.5356 BTC [+] {2}
taub_: it's a bubble on a bubble
taub_: ofc it doesn't work out =D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0009046 = 9.3174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00090792 = 9.8509 BTC [+]
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 275629 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 562 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1153681844.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 27.00839
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.85698, Best ask: 539.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.14301, Last trade: 539.99999, 24 hour volume: 84357.41292489, 24 hour low: 455.0, 24 hour high: 750.3614, 24 hour vwap: 569.87917
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00090564 = 4.5735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 800 @ 0.001 = 0.8 BTC
pankkake: 27% change? :| not even close
pankkake: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 525.17, Best ask: 527.3, Bid-ask spread: 2.13000, Last trade: 526.98, 24 hour volume: 326672.18, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 625.91
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 425 @ 0.00090442 = 0.3844 BTC [-]
taub_: i hope this is the lower range
taub_: if not, 250 here we come
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00090424 = 4.8829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00090435 = 10.807 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.266 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 585.0 USD = 425.3535 eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16259 @ 0.00090619 = 14.7337 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.000903 = 11.9196 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02210909 = 0.2432 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0492 = 0.246 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.266 = 2.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000903 = 13.545 BTC [-]
FabianB_: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: MtGox BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 421.6311, Best ask: 426.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.36890, Last trade: 426.0, 24 hour volume: 11851.02461864, 24 hour low: 322.86162, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 404.07217
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1524 @ 0.00045001 = 0.6858 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08049999 = 0.161 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0449999 = 0.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00090405 = 11.4814 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00090641 = 11.1488 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00262402 = 0.2204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0492 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00090728 = 5.5344 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00090786 = 3.4045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6718 @ 0.000903 = 6.0664 BTC [-]
kakobreklaaa: http://svet24.si/#!/clanek/52b15cb990ab7/mlada-slovenca-sluzita-milijone-pri-nas-o-tem-nihce-ne-ve-nic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.002624 = 0.1732 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 124 @ 0.00260974 = 0.3236 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5388 @ 0.000903 = 4.8654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00090319 = 7.9481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00090556 = 2.0828 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35218 @ 0.0009031 = 31.8054 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00090531 = 7.0162 BTC [+]
kakobreklaaa: sorry about that.
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC), 30D: 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 / 0.00199998 (100 shares, 0.20 BTC)
mircea_popescu: omfg it traded
mircea_popescu: ajnd the buyer looks set to maybe turn a profit even
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00090531 = 5.794 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00090314 = 3.4319 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00090316 = 7.5414 BTC [+]
benkay: so 7c *wants* to revive Stock Generation?
the20year2: 7c?
benkay: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=7C
benkay: trading rally is categorized as an event/development which will absorb funds to bring about
benkay: agog is what i am
the20year2: Do any of you plan on migrating to, or participating in ciphertrade when they release?
b0n1: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 19 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <davout> amazing future
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
FabianB_: ;;calc 1/[ticker --currency eur --last]
gribble: 0.00235294117647
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00090556 = 11.3195 BTC [+]
b0n1: is there an api for bitcoin-central?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00090498 = 3.7104 BTC [-]
dexX7: did you hear? mircea_popescu, the eccentric romanian hacker.. runs mpex, an exchange where transactions are processed by hand via air-gapped systems :D https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EkLwTlb0sCEp023pzZfd1bv9OnLOqqogqV-0wN-K_PM/
asciilifeform: dexX7: did you actually read that thing? 'cloud machine'??!?
asciilifeform: '...verifying that the hash of the code running on the Cloud Machine matches the hash of the code given at the time of the IPO...'
asciilifeform: stoppped there.
dexX7: didn't made it so far, to be honest :D
kakobreklaaa: http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/07/united-states-dollar-almost-doubles-in-value-in-a-single-day/
asciilifeform: reminds me of a 'chicken recipe' sometimes attributed to the gypsies. '1) first, steal a chicken...'
mike_c: heh. bitcoin company recipe: "1) first, ipo"
jborkl: ?join #bitcoin-otc
jborkl: ;;8ball
gribble: Unlikely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5669 @ 0.00090577 = 5.1348 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: paging mp: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/18/india-diplomat-us-immunity/4108553/
asciilifeform: (tldr: diplomat arse-searched)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00090807 = 14.7498 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: anything found?
mike_c: lots of curry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14238 @ 0.00090812 = 12.9298 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: lol. india responds by "canceling duty-free liquor deliveries to the [US] embassy".
pankkake: and shutting down their whole IT department
pankkake: forum topic "Building my own Altcoin on windows,merkel and genesis hash" :| hmm maybe that was my Coinion idea, Deutschcoin based on Merkel hashes
the20year2: Is there a way to generate an altcoin that can pay out in other coins? I keep kicking around this idea of a coin backed by physical goods/items, but don't know a way to do it without inflating it , or paying out to holders
pankkake: if you want to back with something, you'd need a centralized issuer, and trust that issuer
the20year2: Yeah
pankkake: that's what colored coins, ripple, etc. can provide. see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149533.0 as an experiment
the20year2: how is ripple doing it?
pankkake: you have to add a trust line to an issuer, and then you can use its currency
the20year2: and it can be traded in ripples?
pankkake: beware that if you add trust line for the same currency (i.e. btc) it can decide to exchange it between issuers without telling you
pankkake: no, ripples never enter the picture
the20year2: Interesting
pankkake: except maybe as fees
the20year2: I'm asking this specifically in terms of doing this with backing up coins as a specific set interest in income producing real estate here in the US , then trying to figure a viable way to pay back coin holders interest
pankkake: it looks like you're just reinventing shares ;)
the20year2: Correct, on something outside of an exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 145 @ 0.001 = 0.145 BTC
mike_c: dexX7 just posted to a link to a paper describing what you want
mike_c: and here's mp's opinion on it: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
the20year2: MP?
mike_c: mircea popescu, founder of mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00090316 = 17.2052 BTC [-] {4}
the20year2: I didn't realize he was the foudner of mpex. Is he the one that deals with issuing?
mike_c: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/
ozbot: How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.0 MP aka Your God
ozbot: Why MP is your God.
the20year2: wot?
the20year2: GUess they only want BTC involved/denominated then
the20year2: :(
mike_c: you run rentalstarter, right? you could probably list on havelock.
the20year2: Yeah, i'm looking at any exchange realy, but i'm worried about legalities and trying to avoid future problems
the20year2: We're doing pretty good overall IMO business wise, but I need access to more capital, sadly.
mike_c: tough to avoid legal issues when raising capital
the20year2: Eh , it just needs to be done right, and our lawyer isn't too favorable for havelock
mike_c: any crowdfunded/btc-funded raise is going to be legally challenging in the US
the20year2: Yes and no, from his standpoint we can do it, as long as we attempt to set in place a measure to limit/keep US citizens from investing
mike_c: good luck getting BTC investors to send in proof of residence :)
dexX7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bxaGMddBNg "if the us misbehaves, this is what is gonna happen!1" lol
ozbot: Devyani Khobragade's arrest: police lift barricades outside US embassy in Delhi - YouTube
the20year2: Of course, so then there's some other methods that he felt would be SEC compliant with what we're doing, and he felt (From what he knows) that ciphertrade might be a better candidate than havelock
mike_c: ciphertrade.. that exchange that hasn't launched yet. i have this bad feeling about where you're headed.
the20year2: Well, everything we're doing is reviewed by our legal council
mike_c: who suggested ciphertrade.
the20year2: My brother, who gave info to my attourney
mike_c: you are investing in real estate. forget about btc. go find USD investors.
the20year2: I will once I feel that we're sizable enough to warrant a PPM
the20year2: which is the threshold, since a PPM will require us to spend say $8k or so
mike_c: if that is the direction you are headed, you are not going to want the monkey on your back of a thousand tiny btc investors.
the20year2: US BTC investors :) International investors are fine, and we can microfund that way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 712 @ 0.00281112 = 2.0015 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: ok. good luck. i think you're playing with fire, but hopefully you make it.
the20year2: We have decent legal council on retainer, our understanding seems to be good. Thankfully the SEC does have a grace period for US investors if we have any, and this last bitfunder purge brought it to our attention.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00090828 = 7.7658 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: At some point, hopefully in the next 2-3 months we'll be able to access traditional lending methods and this won't be an issue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00090871 = 14.4485 BTC [+] {3}
mikaeldice: You're in real estate, the20year2 ? What makes the volatility of bitcoin a good choice for investment funds? Last resort?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199999 = 0.132 BTC [-] {2}
mikaeldice: It seems like you'd be taking on a lot of currency risk by sinking investors' BTC into fiat and then real estate
mike_c: on a different topic, what happened to your hack challenge mikael? still going to do it?
mikaeldice: I need some time to set it up. I don't want people calling it a scam, so I might just put up the server and make it a free for all
mike_c: you mean no bounty?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform The Cardano is going to be soundproof, right? http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/18/2122226/scientists-extract-rsa-key-from-gnupg-using-sound-of-cpu
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mikaeldice: A tiny bounty, but no entry fees. I don't want to take people's money, even if it'd make the challenge more interesting. At the same time, with little to gain, I would make the bounty much smaller
mike_c: the gain is proof of your system, right? unless you are expecting to get hacked and the gain is for you to learn about holes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this attack is simply a variant of the traditional 'Differential Power Analysis' ☟︎
mikaeldice: Dual purpose: If nobody hacks it, this adds evidence of 'sufficiency' with the security, and if someone does hack it then I can patch the holes and reinit the prize until no more holes are found
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: the sound is coming from the power supply inductor
asciilifeform: this is really from the fact that a pc cpu is a monster hog
asciilifeform: and typically exists in one of two states - 'halt', with reduced power draw, and 'run' (interrupt throws cpu out of halt state.)
asciilifeform: idle loop in modern os scheduler sits the cpu in 'halt'
asciilifeform: virtually any device containing a switched power supply 'hisses' this way
asciilifeform: there are no inductors (switching power supply or otherwise) in cardano...
asciilifeform: nor is the 'low power state' feature of the microcontroller made use of; nor is there an operating system, in the usual sense, or a scheduler...
the20year2: mikaeldice: for us it was just a way to crowdsource funding on something that traditional investors wouldn't bite into
the20year2: The hope/assumption in the beginning was that we would be able to outpace the appreciation of bitcoin through the way we are handling real estate. Growth has been fantastic, but it hasn't outpaced bitcoin like we'd hoped. So, then the hope later on, and it hasn't come to fruitition was a reverse hedge against BTC.USD drops like what we've been seeing. I tried to get investments again when BTC hit $1200 and few I talked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10724 @ 0.00090502 = 9.7054 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.0009093 = 41.2822 BTC [+] {5}
zz_: asiclifeform: isn't the CPU running at a few Ghz, while sound <20Khz? What exactly would the cellphone pick up?
mike_c: that is actually the crux of the paper.
asciilifeform: zz_: it's picking up 'idle' vs 'halted'
asciilifeform: from which one can deduce execution path.
asciilifeform: this is a variation on the old theme of cache probe attack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00090502 = 8.0999 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (as noted in the paper)
zz_: didn't read the PDF. Guess that would help.
mike_c: tldr: "In a nutshell, the key extraction attack relies on crafting chosen ciphertexts that cause numerical
mike_c: cancellations deep inside GnuPG’s modular exponentiation algorithm. This causes the special value
mike_c: zero to appear frequently in the innermost loop of the algorithm, where it afects control fow. A single
mike_c: iteration of that loop is much too fast for direct acoustic observation, but the efect is repeated and
mike_c: amplifed over many thousands of iterations, resulting in a gross leakage effect that is discernible in the
mike_c: acoustic spectrum over hundreds of milliseconds"
mike_c: that pasted poorly
asciilifeform: the bit about leaking electrolytic caps 'buzzing' is unsurprising.
mike_c: so the good news, as far as i can tell, is that you have to be decrypting a known, specially crafted message.
asciilifeform: 'More generally, we observed strong positive correlation between machine
asciilifeform: age, in terms of calendar time and usage, and the cryptanalytic usefulness of their acoustic emanations.'
asciilifeform: that statement, even if true - i can almost see the censor's red ink slipping that in.
dub: applied to snarfing bitcoin keys in 3-2-
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00090945 = 9.7766 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine few consumer things being as loud as a Netburst era Pentium 4, for most definitions of loud.
asciilifeform: anything which oscillates rapidly between 'draws plenty of power' and 'draws little' is: a transmitter.
asciilifeform: audio, rf, optical (ir!), etc.
asciilifeform: this is no revelation of any kind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC
samy_: hello
kakobrekla: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.00045 = 2.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04888 = 0.1955 BTC [-]
dub: yes hello
dub: mircea_popescu: finally a case for colored coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4029004#msg4029004