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ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:49:54 mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje thanks for the don't get in people way likbez.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje does that ^ make sense to spell out in an article ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:20:58 mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2016/poor-women/#footnote_1_69667 << holy shit look what i found.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, in other lulz, if 1) trump gets impeached and then 2) trump gets elected does he then 3) get to run again, because impeached term dun count ? :D
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 13:08:26 mp_en_viaje: i dunno i support any particular action on the foregoing basis. but i also ain't gonna pass it in silence no mo.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 22:09:54 dorion_road: With tmsr os, how much work to support the implicit clients isn't clear yet. I'm also not 100% clear on spyked, bvt and lobbes situation apart from gathering they've been consistently productive while working salary mines.
dorion_road: Right now we're delivering the service primarily face to face, which mircea_popescu advised against. More thinking about the pivot needs to be done, but with more sales, there will be more opportunity to make an offer to people that's competitive with salary mines.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:22 mp_en_viaje: it's not much as it stands, but i do believe they've targetted exceptionally well, and might perhaps be able to execute also. maybe even surive to iterate. in any case i intend to help them, within reason.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:13:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:53:10 trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to diana_coman's bunch?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:44:44 mp_en_viaje: nor can i eschew signalling this point to dorion for the merry gang, specifically because he has little fucking idea about the underlying truths in the thick "engineering" sauce.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:29:38 trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-12-02 17:16:42 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:42:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954808 << yes, we did. and we are in the same place on that one, at this time too.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
BingoBoingo: Here in psych context http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-certain-behaviors-and-jobs-more-masculine-and-out-of-our-control-adnotated/#footnote_7_86241
BingoBoingo: There's a discussion here in the planetary context http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-fix-global-warming/#footnote_0_70733
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: there's the statement as such that positive loops are just another name for death
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-04 22:53:10 mircea_popescu: (notice, incidentally, how my bash / awk didn't betray me in "if($2 != day)" like your python betrayed you)
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje makes sense, thanks for laying it out.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:25:02 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:08:15 mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:07:06 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:11:06 mp_en_viaje: ha, that's a point huh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i thought the model was that those rated by my as 9 are on the list of ratings deedbot looks at to establish l2
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, what??? the new model is that only those rated by you with 9 can self-voice, no?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the only potential trouble I see with your proposed model is when the new voice model is implemented since my pageboys will not be able to hang around here at all anymore.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha; and designer overalls, lmao; the exquisite sheep worming attiree.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, http://thesingingfarmwife.blogspot.com/2015/05/dingleberry-duty.html << here, have a "could be worse"
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-15 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006282 - heh, how long until they register a key and find their way in here?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 00:44:23 mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident their plan as it stands is missing the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and this is the congregation", but that can be discovered in time
jfw: mp_en_viaje: thanks for those blog comments btw, looking forward to a proper read + catching up on the juicy looking log here in the coming days. I see dorion_road's and my venture was discussed just above; I'll give him the first word as I believe he's more up to date here.
deedbot: jfw rated diana_coman 5 << ossasepia.com, long-time Trilema scholar, develops Eulora, knowledgeable on computing, writing & other topics; committed to seeing things for what they are & solving the right problems. My mentor & Master at Young Hands Club.
deedbot: jfw rated mircea_popescu 5 << Father & overlord of the Most Serene Republic. Reads ~everything worth the mention and writes in abundance at trilema.com.
trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to diana_coman's bunch?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:29:38 trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:14:00 mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-09-29 19:35:27 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:17 dorion_road: trinque, you've foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a test run and writing and article about what the positives and negatives are compared to cuntoo would go a long way to help killing idiocy. If you made time to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:14:38 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: Mind however, that this is based off of what I'm reading in the logs rather than the source of the actual items.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: It seems to me like the growing dissatisfaction with Gentoo as a thing to capture for terraforming is that Gentoo comes with a lot of Gentoo specific complexity. This complexity can be handy if you want to build a linux and that linux happens to fit in the space the Gentoo maintainers are running towards, but... that complexity appears to be an impediment to producing a standardized thing that just works without inflicting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:25 mp_en_viaje: you're either going to make something new, or you're going to make something old. that's the choice.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15 diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
dorion_road: diana_coman is sometime as well.
dorion_road: lobbes , mod6 , shinohai
dorion_road: diana_coman , bvt , spyked , hanbot ,
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:29 trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-11-15 11:58:12 mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
mp_en_viaje: https://larouchepub.com/spanish/other_articles/2019/1107-after-attack-on-culiacan.html << ahaha.
mp_en_viaje: https://larouchepub.com/spanish/boletines/2006/images/kesha_rogers1.jpg << lotta that actually.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: lol, I knew adlai got sidelined, but it's been a while since I read into the how/why
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, and she's gonna accept that, too, cuz that's how people are built from nature : sensible. women especially.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, with age and lock-up knees, it might indeed be quite impossible she kneels for you, there is also that.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, right ? boys who never ~could~ have >50yo girlfriends.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-12-07 19:15:10 mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, he's not entirely wrong, either. his diagnosis is correct in at least that juncture : that radical pantsuits never got anywhere, 1960 - 2020, through the exact same mechanism : just as soon as they had two sticks to rub together, they'd get baited into confrontation with the establishment, cuz they're such great heroes & ilya muromets' their name.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 17:42:34 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition through the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) : https://www.markrudd.com/
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje myeah, it's a family reunion. I agreed to go back in august.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, what, with old people ?!
bvt: dorion_road: comment published and answered; i can do a test run of gales after returning (20 dec)
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje thanks for helping me clarify.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje I was/am thinking of the bios software as one of the standard parts. if the operator doesn't want to use it, doesn't have to. for anyone that does, it's there to be used.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, seems to me you're mixing things. yes, you can run a mercedes you bought on mud roads in your native tardikistan. no, it can't be a mercedes if it comes without a manual, or without standard parts, or if it violates any other fundamental assumptions implicit in the name.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:08:36 mircea_popescu: this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje right, if tmsr, then bios to be ruled by V, in line with portgage and all the rest. can still run tmsr os on hardware that's not tmsr bootable with bios build and install optional.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 11:56:03 dorion_road: The baseline consideration is, what is the ev of having the already known TMSR bootable bios configs under V ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-27 18:40:49 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951499 << hey ave1, how goes ? has there been a delivery date set on this ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 15:26:08 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?
dorion_road: trinque you've been highlighted on a couple different tmsr os threads: bvt is curious about what you have to say on the extent to which the bootstrapping/package management/development tools are a source of bloat in Cuntoo.
dorion_road: ty diana_coman
diana_coman: dorion_road: ^ so you can !!up yourself at least while the old voice model is still around.
deedbot: diana_coman rated dorion_road 1 << talking while travelling.
deedbot: dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up dorion_road
deedbot: dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up dorion_road
mp_en_viaje: ("scientism", or whatever you'd call the neoreformated creeds of the horde idiotic enough to think itself free from belief)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 09:47:49 mp_en_viaje: "oh, we were worried china outspends us on $random-nonsense-we-made-up-specifically-so-as-to-have-it-all-to-ourselves" "why were you worried about that ?" "so we have somtething to talk about" "ah, okay"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:43:30 diana_coman: or it gets pushed first and it becomes the new fashion, "was there any other way??"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suppose "he should've retired broadly construed".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:58:04 diana_coman: hm, the bridge was his folly in that he should have retired while not yet "the old one, it's time for us"?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-08 16:58:58 diana_coman: but yes, essentially not being surprised, indeed.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the queen didn't take it back anwyays, iirc.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a yes, that. but by the time someone would venture money in 71, they had been extremely successful for 20 years.