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BingoBoingo: !!rated mircea_popescu

deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of diana_coman from 5 to 9 << Master of the Serene Republic's University, S.MG, etc

BingoBoingo: !!rate diana_coman 9 Master of the Serene Republic's University, S.MG, etc

deedbot: BingoBoingo rated diana_coman 5 at 2018/03/19 15:39:55 << S.MG, Republic Tech development, Reliable

BingoBoingo: !!rated diana_coman

ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-26 09:52:57 mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?

deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of shrysr from 2 to -8 << fuck off granted, as he clearly prefers.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, this is a great beautiful mirror to that "in theory, there's no difference between theory and craptice" ditty : "in principle, there's no difference between right and principled".

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, imo all the rest can stay. also imo it is more important to be right than principled. the principles can be written in afterwards, for as long as you're right ; if you're wrong no writ will save you anyway.

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you mean #asciilifeform or what?

mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-25 13:21:44 hanbot: dorion_road haha, so you met voorhees in 07 '13 and this, two months previous, seriously never came up? There's a truly toxic acquaintance for ya.

lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 21 hours, and 26 minutes ago: <mp_en_viaje> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ei8CbiT4Hhs/VGP0mq3X_YI/AAAAAAAAABc/JhPPjuKEXaM/s1600/elephant.gif

hanbot: dorion_road haha, so you met voorhees in 07 '13 and this, two months previous, seriously never came up? There's a truly toxic acquaintance for ya.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-24 01:51:45 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-23#1955954 was re ztkfg.com/2019/12/finding-meaning-in-a-deterministic-world-part-3/ btw, nfi why i thought it's self-obvious yest.

whaack: mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-24#1956017 <<-- ty, I had figured the message was meant for lobbes prior. I'll take a look into getting the toolbar showing on the individual article pages. They are hidden by default on mpwp's Kubrick theme.

bvt: mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/peri-metaphyseos-in-english-this-time/ http://trilema.com/2014/the-two-all-essences/ ?

mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, aw fuck, the other two aren't even in english huh. this fucking blows, and it's where the sadness starts, i don't know how to fix this.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 04:39:28 mp_en_viaje: whaack, hey, that's not even bad.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 15:43:10 mp_en_viaje: right, imminence is being in the very near future ; immanence is the essential tight coupling tying essences to phenomenology.

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-23#1956002

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 07:48:16 mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, can you explain the difference between imminence and immanence ?

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-23#1955992 and http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=jB2s

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the side effects? lol.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, oooo

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Thank you for your patience.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'll request mike_c produce his last statement issued by MPEx

mp_en_viaje: you're not even a witness here, to be producing something like say the smickles affidavit. so far the only way that thing can be classified as is a letter of credit, i guess ? you're saying i should give mike_c some dough as you think he's good for it ?

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm not saying whether you should pay the money or not. I am saying it would be consistent with the way you've worn the MPEx CEO hat before to pay. You, ultimately, are free to decide to pay or not pay. My client paid me to introduce his interests to the forum, otherwise his interests would have gone unrepresented and certainly unpaid.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I apologize for addressing points for the record in a manner that appears to be addressing them to you specifically.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don't think anyone present here in is hallucinating that, but not all log readers are here.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: GPG contracts are such that a case can only be so strong without hallucinating a denial of the fundamental difference between GPG contracts and fiat contracts.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: MPEx is built on GPG contracts upheld voluntarily. Introducing "these GPG contracts must be upheld always and forever no matter the cost as if they were fiat contracts" would be subversion. For that, in representing the claim I can't say "This must be paid no matter what" or other constructions along that line without attacking a

mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, can you explain the difference between imminence and immanence ?

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-21#1955881 - fwiw, I read through this deed; I hope that is not all of "making the case" as BingoBoingo_ sees it.

mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, check out these fucking idiots : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Knepp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Knep

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: That word exists here verbally with substantial frequency, but... the search engines don't seem to know it.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 00:45:07 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955677 << this may even be so. but trinque , have mercy : in obtaining any desired result, the manager has indeed to await patiently for ~all possible~ results be delivered ? there is NO possibility of choice available, you mean, in the sense of none ~at all~ ?

mp_en_viaje: there's tremendous difference between "i want something like that but with a better face" and "i want a great looking woman that's my 5th grade classmate from back in jr high".

trinque: mp_en_viaje: I suspect that's an ethnowot, but what do I know.

mp_en_viaje: no joke about the spanyards, either. Mientras que, bajo el peso del trigo, los ejes cansados los siento quejar, yo, anudando mi pena a esa queja, con cantos y silbos te sé acompañar. is a fucking thing, which they did. thoroughly, and well -- or if not well, then as well as could be done, for sure.

mp_en_viaje: trinque, i don't expect 1960s tx is reproducible outside of a hard reset. highly coherent, profoundly skilled workforce in a complete worldview will absolutely require the conditions that spawned them, and will necessarily dissolve once the solvents show up.

trinque: mp_en_viaje: I'm curious, in all your travels, whether you've found another tolerable outpost.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, I will draft and enter a deed.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 13:50:30 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: And per the agreement if he recovers coin the total damage is 40 BTC as he sends 10 BTC to asciilifeform. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-18#1003953

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:04:00 BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:03:44 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night

ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-19 17:50:35 BingoBoingo: Under my original proposal in the event mike_c's coin was not returned I would have refunded him 10 BTC reducing the damage to 25 BTC. Under this structure, mike_c is out 30 BTC minimum, outcome independent.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, we've got this Republic which is sovereign. We've got a lord of lords in MP. Does not paying mike_c maximize coin that certainly stays inside TMSR, sure. Does not paying mike_c reduce the space in which Lords can credibly extract rents from those who've touched Pantsuit in the past, I very strongly suspect so. If we consider the cause of increasing the power of the Lordship over Pantsuit Delusonists...

BingoBoingo: mike_c agreed to pay substantially for representation along WoT lines. If he gets paid out and retreats forever back to Pantsuit dreamland or gets aggressive... he'll set a good precedent for closing the window that got him paid for all later comers.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If mike_c doesn't get paid it sends the signal that TMSR doesn't ever deal, following this external relations is difficult because of the "What the hell can a lord do for me" objection. If mike_c gets paid, TMSR matters, WoT matters, and voice has value as can be demonstrated through the outcome of the case... but the precedent is not sufficiently restrictive so as to prevent future tightening, refusals, etc.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If someone comes on a day after mike_c is paid out by MPEx, I can't imagine this hypothetical next person would receive any offer for voice nearly as cheap as 30 BTC.

BingoBoingo: mike_c gave us what Daphna Waxman didn't. Sure, Daphna Waxman is salt pork that happens to maybe still be on the hoof. If Daphna Waxman ever shows up... for mike_c's decision to make a deal... there is a screw to be turned.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what

BingoBoingo: I really don't see how in this case mike_c could have demonstrated "non-aggression" alone. For his action, he actively acknowledged WoT supremacy. For his recognition of WoT supremacy, laziness has a demonstrable cost.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Note also what mike_c did not do. He did not go shopping around for a lower bidding lord after I gave him the strategy and then clarified the strategy, catching him up on where the Republic has advanced during his absence.

BingoBoingo: Under my original proposal in the event mike_c's coin was not returned I would have refunded him 10 BTC reducing the damage to 25 BTC. Under this structure, mike_c is out 30 BTC minimum, outcome independent.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right. As asciilifeform is still politically alligned with the Republic, I find the proposal agreeable in creating a second opportunity to demonstrate continuing submission.

ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-18 mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: And per the agreement if he recovers coin the total damage is 40 BTC as he sends 10 BTC to asciilifeform. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-18#1003953

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, certainly both options had dimensions in which they are cheaper than the other.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-19#1955792 - how do you reason to get to the conclusion that the qntra contribution is cheaper alternative? The way I see it, the choice clearly spells that mike_c considers the 30 btc as the cheaper option compared to putting in the effort& time on qntra for the interval you requested.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 01:28:53 mp_en_viaje: http://qntra.net/2019/12/democratically-elected-us-president-donald-trump-writes-letter-to-pantsuit-nancy/ << pretty great letter huh.

BingoBoingo: After being brought up to speed on relevant matters the Republic has explored in his extended absence, mike_c countered my proposal with one that sees him out an extra 5 BTC over my initial proposed structure whether he recovers his coin or not.

BingoBoingo: It didn't take many lines of conversation or a whole hour for mike_c to find that the after missing out on things over the years like the entire history of an ISP... An actual demonstration of the value of WoT position and the barriers presented by WoT gating was his best possible demonstration of submission.

BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 00:23:14 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The truth doesn't wear out. The screw however turns with time.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night

deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of mike_c from -1 to 2 << After a long absence came to swift submission to Republican WoT power structure at a greater cost to self than initially proposed

BingoBoingo: !!rate mike_c 2 After a long absence came to swift submission to Republican WoT power structure at a greater cost to self than initially proposed

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:16:09 mp_en_viaje: getting back to the whole "among they themselves" : the classical form of the sq in extremis was something along the lines of consules darent operam ne quid detrimenti res publica caperet ; videant consules ne res publica detrimenti capiat. let those guys in charge of things make sure the public shit dun get burned. there's gotta be some commonality for a republic to exist in the first place.

mp_en_viaje: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/review-of-polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpcvpatch/ << but anyways, cuteness, jfw discovering the horrors of satoshi bitcoin. most of the insanity you discover in the guy's patch is just carried over.

mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, anyone recall back in the bitbet pioneering shutdown days, when i proposed a process and ben_vulpes got all suspicious, "omfg, he aims to keep it!!!"

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shortlist came from channels with folks I've eaten pizza with this month.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:07:57 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Sadly so... it's not a pretty picture. Biggest change since 2017 is less operators run more ops.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's grinding, have not yet found half of 500 without turning towards the US. Will end up posting disk destruction pics tomorrow as 2 WoT'd folks viewed. 500 DC's I applied to blogging may not happen without applying to ones inside the zone.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Tonight was the "fin de año" gathering at the Cowork, just the same as when I arrived 12-7-2017. Crowd noticably smaller this year.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's pretty great in December. Very few Porteños so far.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The truth doesn't wear out. The screw however turns with time.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 21:57:33 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:25:18 mp_en_viaje: and no "fuck it, just keep it" ain't much of an answer, because if nothing else this provides the most perverse incentive imaginable.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:20:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar

BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje ty for weighing in. It makes my pitch stronger

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 12:44:45 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Here's the strategy and why it is your best shot at recovering your coin http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7sEi

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:49:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955537 << no it doesn't, wut, im gonna get pissy at x because he made a sound argument ?

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:26:33 mp_en_viaje: so the answer will probably have to carve itself a space within these two wires. now, how exactly, is what we're talking about.

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 << I'm hoping mike_c takes BingoBoingo's offer, as I think that process alone stands to carve some answers

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:31:05 mp_en_viaje: if you'll ignore everything, then what's the point of talking ? if you'll ignore random things outside of even the possibility to prediction, then again what's the point of talking ? if there is some common ground, making at least some prediction possible, then what is it ?

jfw: mp_en_viaje: I was hired labor, did not hold securities.

ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."

mp_en_viaje: ie, i'm not asking you to tell me what you think i should think about mike_c ; i established that for myself, and stated it for your information back in 2018. i am however asking you to tell me what you think my thoughts on mike_c should do to, eg, coin he thinks i owe him.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:51:48 mp_en_viaje: now, more's the point, what the fuck are you planning to do such that you think you should be negrated for it, and why the fuck would you.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:56:46 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my main trouble is not at all with the payment, in principle, but mainly with the notion of a single, clear meaning for "negrated", to start with.