asciilifeform: meanwhile, opened the binder of horrors, with trb src, and found some lulz, which is actually what i sat down at the terminal to share:

asciilifeform: since ben_vulpes never came back with a #

asciilifeform: profiling it right now, actually

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 ☝︎

asciilifeform: anyway i described an algo that wasn't retarded and doesn't pull in 10,000 lines of open sores ???. and it's as if this neverhappened, for some reason.

asciilifeform: mno. the current dependency is 'bdb + AN fs'

asciilifeform: bdb - is

asciilifeform: but for the l0gz, lemme finish: replacing bdb, massive turd, with ext (or reiser, or any) equally or greater mass turd, (and now with linux dependence !!) is not a win.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: and you'll be creating 2-3000 per block ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: symlink is a file for this purpose

asciilifeform: the other fundamental problem, and the reason why asciilifeform's interest in recycling old fs for trb is ~0, is that imho trb needs LESS dependency on open sores crud, rather than moar

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625333 << as i also described earlier, there are fundamental problems with all 'general purpose' fs, from bitcoin pov. mainly, they 'pessimize' for 'least common case', which happens to be our ~most~ common case : creation of file ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-31#904553 << earliest, apparently, thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s bitcoinfs

asciilifeform: ( http://80.81.115.100 )

asciilifeform: ( didjaknow ! )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625206 << ceramica inteligente !! ☝︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho the 'use existing fs' thing is a dead end. ☟︎

asciilifeform bbl, meat

asciilifeform: phf: didja miss where i noted that i wrote to them ? and signed fat cheques to some of'em ?

asciilifeform: so none of the now-living folx can have what to be ashamed of, other than their whispering.

asciilifeform: fwiw all (afaik) of the people actually responsible for the managerial demise of smbx, are dead

asciilifeform: you can download refal!

asciilifeform: for fucks sake, the guy who invented refal, is still active (or his son..?)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i find ~opposite~ with su engineers

asciilifeform: not the caliph stoking his furnace, no.

asciilifeform: this is the stuff dark ages are made of.

asciilifeform: so long as they get 'feeling of power' from koscheiing on the embers.

asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting bit, and yes i drilled deeply enough through the dried gangrene to get at the pus, is that there were and remain people who enjoy sitting on the embers of dead smbx more than they want to see the tech come back to life

asciilifeform: aaaha.

asciilifeform: but picture how difficult, WITHOUT it

asciilifeform: and phf earlier was right, it is very difficult to clone the iron EVEN with the src

asciilifeform: my pessimistic reading of this picture is that all of the folx who a) knew b) knew that asciilifeform wanted to know c) didn't tell -- were playing some peculiar power game in their heads, re 'access to the treasure trove', and how mean ol' asciilifeform wants to take this magic access and make it worth 0 ...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is impossible, even on google, to look for smbx-anything without finding asciilifeform's www.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if my cock were one of 10 in existence, and the chicks all knew, and still avoided, i would have to seriously wonder wtf, maybe it points in wrong direction, or i have dog's head, or what.

asciilifeform: and of electron microscope.

asciilifeform: phf: it just blows my mind, if random d00d had not tipped me off, i could handily go ANOTHER 8 YEARS of ida

asciilifeform: say where it wants to go, i'll fedex it, at own expense.

asciilifeform: anyway phf i meant american postbox

asciilifeform: and anyway now that the bizarre kabuki re ' asciilifeform must not get the src !' is blown (is it blown ? or is there yet moar..?) maybe folx can publish, like sane people

asciilifeform: sorta how i hand-delivered sample rng to c3

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: this must be new

asciilifeform: also i never had any problems mailing to ru

asciilifeform: srsly, i'm not one of them weird folx who whisper around. phf can have the iron, or gpggram where to send.

asciilifeform: phf: you can have for cost of postage !

asciilifeform: but even so it's a bit rich , to silently watch asciilifeform considering to buy electron microscope, to get at WHAT PHF HAD IN HIS POCKET already omfg.

asciilifeform: if , for example, there are detailed design docs, or yet-nonpublic sources in there, phf is well justified in his continued skulduggery perhaps

asciilifeform: phf: i can't speak for mircea_popescu , but i don't specialize in hasty conclusions

asciilifeform: but other folx --. 0 excuse.

asciilifeform: i forgive him all

asciilifeform: dks is ~90 yr old now

asciilifeform: rms, the talking mushroom, is not connected

asciilifeform: and dks, and whole orchestra.

asciilifeform: and kalman reti, official maintainer, sent me -- a PAYING buyer -- 0 patches

asciilifeform: and brad parker, very literate d00d who ported genera emulator to x64

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually there is, it includes illustrious folx like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623419 ☝︎

asciilifeform: but it's a bit rich to talk about a 'community' of smbx people that doesn't share with asciilifeform 'because it doesn't know'

asciilifeform: now if phf dun wanna publish his src, whateverses, who am i to say that he must

asciilifeform: well, for instance, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615635 ☝︎

asciilifeform: and nobody ever put 'snap4' into the search box, to find out wtf it was.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: i also uttered http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623406 for instance. ☝︎

asciilifeform: was it possible to misread this as 'he has the src' ?

asciilifeform: i did mention http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598449 for instance. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may be

asciilifeform: phf: you're quite right that it isn't. thing is an astonishing pile of gnarl. but all of the necessary info, is ~inside~ it, just like 'bitcoin' lives inside the rubbish of trb

asciilifeform: why would i buy the machine and haul it up into my flat to saw it open, if 'already knew all'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does, e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=53 read like work of someone who 'already knows all' ?

asciilifeform: i'll buy this, because i'd rather buy this than 'phf is afraid of smbxmasons revenge'

asciilifeform: it just melts my poor brains.

asciilifeform: but same thing happening, every single fucking time, all the way up to phf staying mum re the src.

asciilifeform: i could, with difficulty, believe, sure.

asciilifeform: it simply isn't athing, like there is no used chewing gum on the moon.

asciilifeform: there exists 0 .mil spam.

asciilifeform: picture this, mircea_popescu , 100% of d00d's income comes from pentagon, and he won't answer a .mil mail.

asciilifeform: 0 answered mails.

asciilifeform: worst paid support ever.

asciilifeform: phf: i was given him as a paid support .

asciilifeform: which would seem to run contrary to their professed aims.

asciilifeform: the thing that boggles my mind, mircea_popescu , is that quite a few of these people ~knew~ what i was trying to do, and did not want it to happen.

asciilifeform: (which helped 0 with smbx)

asciilifeform: wrote to the lmi d00d, convinced him to open the lmi sources ! successfully!

asciilifeform: i wrote to more or less everybody who more or less so much as mentioned having heard of a lispm.

asciilifeform: huminted with own miserable body, every muscle of it.

asciilifeform: i dun have 10`000 whores.

asciilifeform: i definitely was not 'limited to googling.'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was answering, in extended form, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624984 ☝︎

asciilifeform: 0 reply.

asciilifeform: as a signer of a motherfucking 9k cheque

asciilifeform: i wrote to him as a LICENSED BUYER

asciilifeform: i wrote to motherfucking kalman reti, phf

asciilifeform: he never answered.

asciilifeform: also i WROTE TO BRAD PARKER 4 TIMES

asciilifeform: the ai lab d00d also had nfi that the source existed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maaaaany years of 'bad indexing'

asciilifeform: and, quite verily, they WILL be worth roughly their worth in gold reclamation, if fpga appears.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the contemplated pathology is that of that ro d00d who owned ~1~ rembrandt

asciilifeform: and it's tru, the surplus 1201 was free (rubbish dumps) in late '90s, maybe 500 bux in 2000, but now costs 3-10k