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mircea_popescu: the thing had developped to the degree someone made a thumb sorter sometime in 2002 or so, which sorted the imagaes by how clicked they were, so people could manage their tgps with less effort. as a side yielded all sorts of interesting anthropological results. for instance... hm. shit this is getting more involved than i thought.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> and in other news, holy shit check out the scam of the future << sounds like a copy-cat of "warhammer" which I think had a medieval theme; the figures come unpainted and you're supposed to paint them yourself. i think that's more of the point as a little art project although i'm sure the price is ridiculous
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> incidentally that was VERY MUCH a case of usistan vs iranistan << iranistan is the actual name of a street around where i live, a word invented by pt barnum (the circus guy) who was the mayor for a time ; he wanted to build his mansion on a street that had an exotic sounding name. The thing has since burned down if i'm not mistaken, and the street is now littered with those getto style houses that look like they sho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will prolly appreciate the little bayestard murder gem i've produced:D
asciilifeform: aha i recall.
pete_dushenski: alas, i must unfortunately be off again. will endeavour to return soon. and for longer!
pete_dushenski: i just read about zuckerberg's 'sekoority' expenses
pete_dushenski: i can see it
asciilifeform: (and, i will add, NONE of today's vehicles have decent top armour)
pete_dushenski: i wish bbet would come back so i could bet on phuctor cracking a deedbot l2 key. seems like the kind of thing no one would expect, like ron paul talking for 10 minutes or w/e it was
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 12:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, check out what ancient lulz i found on pete's blog http://btcbase.org/log/?date=24-07-2014#766538
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463281 << i should probably update my blog links from the old #b-a ones huh, at least my 'reviews' in the right column ☝︎
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol i won't even try to guess what you think i should think about the alberta wildfires, but it's pretty damn lulzy to watch the reigning socialist party flail impotently as they attribute the projected 1/3rd loss of ~the country's~ economic growth for the quarter to "karma" because "karbon"
mircea_popescu: i thought so too, but then again this guy's leet py script beat my bash hackery outta water, so let's hear him out.
asciilifeform: thing is, i realized a while back that a leaf depending on other leaves at all, is abuse of v
phf: wait, i think i utterly confused the issue. one sec let me restate it
phf: the second meaning is, and that one comes up since we have multiple files to a patch, in order to press x i need both y and z.
asciilifeform: realize, v was something that i was specifically only able to conceive of because i am working with cultured folks who can be relied upon to not shit in the kitchen. operating vtron will always require a good measure of intelligence, wisdom, restraint...
phf: let's say you have x->y z->y. in the first case it means "i can press y on top of x" OR "i can press y on top of z"
mircea_popescu: phf "how did i end up with z and what's its connection to origin"
asciilifeform: for instance, and i warned of this from the beginning, v operators are trusted never to create cycles.
phf: i think the problem is "what does v graph supposed to communicate to the viewer"
mircea_popescu: i mean socially. whether we have a technical problem or not is part of the problem.
asciilifeform: i am not certain that we have a problem !
asciilifeform: i suggested this, iirc, last september
mircea_popescu: i was thinking yest, "the solution here prolly is to forbid X containing multi As".
asciilifeform: i suggested at one point, to uncouple them
mircea_popescu: yeah, asciilifeform and i think it's time to specify that rope.
asciilifeform: i still use it
phf: mircea_popescu: in the example that i gave, get_ante is the function that establishes graph edges
mircea_popescu: i take it back. ok, so :
phf: (i don't really know how mod6's vtron operates, only speaking of mine and asciilifeform's)
mircea_popescu: i think mod6's might actually try to press on the basis of "has ONE antecedent"
asciilifeform: well phf was , i think, speaking of the basic vtron conceptually
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think that's a bug, that's more of a conceptual thing.
ben_vulpes: me, i'm booking batcave hammocks asap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-lol re above, given as i saw an 'official' ar diplomatic tango demo today!
mod6: shinohai: dangit. i curl'd that wotpaste and i got a different hash output
mircea_popescu: i got as far ; but i don't see where or how, and his example is broken
mod6: im pretty well convinced that what I have constructed works fine.
mircea_popescu: or at least i can't seem to reorder it into something that seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i re-read what he's saying, i'm not even sure we actually grasp what the man is trying to say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'no conflict' is fuzzy and introduces potential of subtle breakage << i agree with this view, for the reasons stated. same hash has to be the criterion.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-08 03:06 mircea_popescu: phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf i c.
mod6: fuck i hate those things.
asciilifeform: l0l! largest wasp i've ever seen. barely fit through the vac hose!
ben_vulpes: again, if i recall correctly, asciilifeform's v will press all of the same-leaf-level patches as the given patch, /up to the given patch (inclusive)/ in alphabetical order
phf: i need to just write this stuff up, but at this point i'm leaning towards the idea that you can't really make a better graph than "shares a hash", and all that communicates is that "this guy uses content from this other guy"
phf: i'm not talking about gnudiff and presses
asciilifeform: the 'hash must match' is the only path to 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain one hundred percent'
phf: and that's where my thinking gets fuzzy, because i didn't really finish this whole exercise
shinohai: That's what I'm here for to break it or fuck it up :D
mod6: i just tried dumping a priv key from an invalid bitcoin address, error says: 'error {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid bitcoin address"}'
shinohai: sweet. I kept getting that error when I first patched it because I forgot to decrypt my wallet like an idiot.
mod6: Ok i just tried to import an invalid private key
mod6: i just tested trying to dump a key from an address not in the wallet and it says:
shinohai: At least it didn't destroy my whole wallet like last time I used pybitcointools
phf: there were suggestion "just do X" and i would try them and discover that they wouldn't actually solve the problem
shinohai: I have done it at least 20-30 times with no major issues so far, mostly with vanitygen addys
phf: mircea_popescu: that's what i was working on before the log issue became critical, and i might need to just write it up since i'm having hard time communicating the graph/press discrepancy
mod6: i tried to reimport that same key - it gave me an error, which, it probably should, but it's a bit non-descript.
mod6: anyway shoot me an addy, and i'll throw you some digits
mod6: shinohai: oh its showing way more than i actually have in the wallet. it's re-adding the change to the overall balance.
shinohai: I haven't got to test send/receive yet ... still no place to buy coins for cash in this godforsaken country.
mod6: alright, i'll try out some of this stuff.
mod6: i think i'll take this chance to truncate this 22G log file too
mod6: ok lemme see if i can build this thing
mircea_popescu: i mean... graph's utility is mostly that it mirrors the press, no ?
mod6: if I use the raw patch from the deal press pukes on an unmatched hash. (a new feature! lol)
mod6: no worries, just demonstrating with that paste that I was able to rebase the patch, drop it into my 'patches' dir (notice the WILD annotation), and press cleanly.
mod6: and then if that works, I'll hand it off to you to see if you can go through the same motions
mod6: im not sure I follow.
phf: mod6: yeah, my antecedent's list is actually cut down, but i can't recall by what metric :o
mod6: this is because i pin leafs to the top of the graph
mod6: alright. so, a: i was looking at whatever was listed at btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools/
phf: so i suspect that whatever differences in press are a result of press algo. also funken is in an experimental set, and that's all the patches that i saw floating around that are not in the official release and not have been explicitly deprecated
phf: mod6: hey, i checked the state of patches, and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable is identical to http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/
shinohai: Yeah I had to patch in by hand after press to get it working :/
mod6: i'll do that. it's fine.
shinohai: mod6: didja check the copy I sent? dunno if I did it right
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh i c. missed it.
mircea_popescu: i thought those were /gpgfp/ and /gpgkey/
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/HYM9HO.png
BingoBoingo: <mod6> haha, i wish i had some people around here who wanted to do that kinda labor forme. << You don't want to pay my "pout of service area" fee for visiting the tundra.
mircea_popescu: ever since mod6 's been talking in #eulora i've been mischanning like crazy lol.
mircea_popescu: god i love my top hat.
trinque: yep I'm out too, gonna gorge on crawfish in the sun
mod6: i'll be back in a bit
mod6: alright Gentlemen, i gotta run to do this yard trimmings here for a bit.
shinohai: Not hard to setup, I just need a btc addy I can use for signing only. I tend not to reuse addys and misplace them >.<
shinohai: I need to make a damned coinbr account this weekend too if I'm gonna continue my Qntra experiment.
mod6: heck, i'll even make tickets for it if we need to.
mod6: pm worked for me yesterday when i got booted from 'sandstorm' or whatever. i have noticed from time to time though, it just takes a bit to respond.
shinohai: I can put list of trusted nodes, etc on my site if we need them. Not sure who said they were going to make a new wiki page. :/
shinohai: Some of the foundation pages need tweaking too, I think I noticed old #b-a refs in them
mod6: then rebase everything if i need, which it probably will
mod6: that'sactually something I'd like to do today if I can get the time: drop in that code into my test environment.
mod6: <+shinohai> Funny, I was looking at raw tx code the other day, since the key code has worked so well.<< ya!