BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you actually want the Ether, mircea_popescu's short if the cheapest offer going
BingoBoingo: I just dunno why anyone would want ether that can't soak a rag
pigeons: yeah it should be able to soak a rag, but dont do it that way you hobo
pigeons: pressurize for nice clear gas
BingoBoingo: pigeons: Wait, you're inhaling it? I was just going to use it as a solvent to clean some stuff...
mike_c: harder to apply to others as gas
benkay: who is this nycbtcpros?
gribble: I have not seen nycbtcpros.
gribble: User 'nycbtcpros', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1HoUw9FVHXxB1Wm9mbetDE1UhgiQfdgFkk, registered on Sat Jun 14 08:04:58 2014, last authed on Sat Jun 14 08:12:00 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nycbtcpros . Currently not authenticated.
benkay: ;;later tell nycbtcpros where's your bitlicense?
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CheapBoy: I'm trying to understand if people will be able to "sell" their ethereum pledge before it is released atm.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well I doubt the ethereum people are going to make or allow a market for that since, etherium is supposed to be a market
pigeons: CheapBoy: i asked that too, was told "no". but try #etherum. actually, i heard they were emailing (!) encrypted wallets (perhaps generated with not-so-random keys via mouse movements!)
pigeons: so i suppose you could sell the wallet
pigeons: probably they won't email you the wallet for another few bfl-months, but i hae no actual clue about that
mike_c: um, selling private keys is not so practical. ask bingo and pankkake :)
pigeons: well sell it before it's cracked from its not-so-randomness
mike_c: and pinky-swear to delete your copy
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah.
pigeons: or maybe you have a really random mouse movement
CheapBoy: Thanks pidgeons and bingoboingo.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well, have you started looking at setting up GPG yet, since that would be necessary to do the trade?
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you set up GPG and register in the WoT I'll lend you a rating so you can self voice.
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pigeons: CheapBoy: ether not usable or transferrable unless ethereum actually comes out one day
mike_c: it was under 76 before the break.
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CheapBoy: +BingoBoingo Thanks, but the links seem to be down
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CheapBoy: Cool. The gribble bot wrote that link actually.
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CheapBoy: Alrighty I'm getting the GPG running.
CheapBoy: But I have to get some sleep, 3am in sweden.
CheapBoy: Hope someone can voice me next time
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: I'll look for you and keep throwing voice at you
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BingoBoingo: I was going to ask, but figured if I had to...
BingoBoingo: Havent'd had occasion to yet. Imagine my first airport experience will prolly happen in Mexico
pigeons: as a kid you didnt go run around them back when it was possible?
pigeons: or a teenager bring a girl to sit on the car and "watch the planes"
BingoBoingo: Well, I've been to field's where ultralights operated
pigeons: anyway, you're not missing anything now, everyone's in a hurry and scared
BingoBoingo: pigeons: As a teen there were closer places to take girls to "watch the nothing"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Specifically ultralight. Driven past airports for slightly bigger planes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A thing that has it's big national get together locally is "powered parachutes"
danielpbarron: does anyone know who the owner of the #bitcoin- group is?
pigeons: oh dont ruin my fun with reality
pigeons: itll be powered by ETH so it wont cut off
pigeons: ETH is not a security and this is not an attempt to solicit investments from unqualified investors. its a fuel.
BingoBoingo: pigeons: Only a fuel if you like engine knock
BingoBoingo remembers at boyscout camp one of the older scouts spaying ether into the campfire to discourage us young'uns from spraying pug spray into the fire
pigeons: yeah i remember the scout leaders telling us emphatically not to smoke the local funky weed
pigeons: so of course it had the opposite effect
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was ~6th grade at the time and age ranged up to High School degenerates in the group
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Available in "engine starting fluid"
pigeons: or if you have a buddy who works in a chemistry lab
pigeons: they make real good friends
BingoBoingo: The sprayer's family had ~8 or 9 muscle cars in various states on non-function in their yard at the time.
BingoBoingo: pigeons: If you have a friend in the chemistry lab there are more interesting things to consider than ether
BingoBoingo: Though some amount of ether may be useful as a solvent... TO acieve other things...
pigeons: yes of course. by might as well get the ether there too
BingoBoingo: And of course the net result of the spritz of ether into the campfire was panic for ~1.5 miles in any direction
decimation: idiots in the midwest smoke jimson weed
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decimation: indeed, I always called it jimson weed. nasty stuff, grows up 6 ft tall in a few months
BingoBoingo: decimation: In large parts of the forested midwest cannabis, albeit of poor quality has nativized itself
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, these are hard problems to pin down in the way that some people advance certain species of carp as invasive, when here they are all invasive.
BingoBoingo: Carp are like retarded midget whales, fucking filter feeders who readily inbreed (see goldfish)
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BingoBoingo: decimation: In the Americas European carp are invasive too
BingoBoingo: Fucking water pigeons is what they all are really
assbot: 'No Eastern Europeans' sign placed at carp fishing lake by angry landowner who claims they have stolen his fish | Mail Online
BingoBoingo: Wait, carp are black people food now? I thought it was Wasps that first plagued this continent with them.
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assbot: Do blacks really like fried chicken and carp or is that just a stereotype?
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BingoBoingo: Chicken is old hand but carp is a new one for me. I might have suspected catfish as a stereotype, because like fried chicken everyone loves fried catfish. Carp though have so many pin bones in their filets. Honestly I find Gar a better use of my fishing time than carp.
decimation: yeah actually that's a neat experiment
decimation: it would be fun to try on your friends
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decimation: do folks here have a method of scraping complex webpages like banks for .pdf statements?
decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue
decimation: I've tried beautiful soup, it sucked ass. I tried splinter, it sucked ass. refuse to touch phantomjs.
Rassah: Hah! Bitcoin Pete's article: "Vitalik Buterin, he of "autism is the same as intelligence" fame"
Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life
BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe
Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence...
Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky.
Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like
Rassah: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin bet?
TheNewDeal: he sent me .1 btc, I sold him a position in the bastille day bet
Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him
BingoBoingo: Well, if he isn't much of a finance guy... Shouldn't he be outsourcing the expertise?
Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys
BingoBoingo: I dunno much other than the picked the worst name for their tokens...
BingoBoingo: Ether is just going to feed the flames about Rapey cryptocoiners
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Rassah: Eh, Etherium at least has an application. Doge was just a self-aware joke
Rassah: Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. Doge (and arguably most others, possibly incluing Litecoin) does not.
BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one.
decimation: hammers & tulips have an application - neither are good canidates for money
Rassah: My rule #1 for investing is invest in the team, not the idea. Awesome idea with morons behind it will go nowhere. For Altcoins, an awesome idea with a single developer behind it will crash and busn as soon as that developer gets bored and goes to do something else
Rassah: decimation: why do you think Etherium is a candidate for money???
BingoBoingo: Nah, you just need to pick altcoins with better jokes like Altcoin...
decimation: umm, people are trading money for it, with the expectation of spending on stuff in the future?
BingoBoingo: My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something.
Rassah: decimation: Airline companies are spending money on jet fluel futures, with expectation of using it in the future. Doesn't mean jet fuel is money
Rassah: BingoBoingo: Protests? When I alked to them, they wanted to sell equity in it, but couldn't due to regulatory crap
BingoBoingo: Rassah: But what do the do? They de facto sell equity.
Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public...
Rassah: BingoBoingo: but they wanted to sell equity... (Etherium)
Rassah: and now they are... so....
BingoBoingo: This "pre-order" "pre-sale" crap constitutes a sale of equity. Period.
Rassah: yes. Like they hoped and planned to do
Rassah: at least in private...
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BingoBoingo: If you don't have anything to deliver and you sell "whatevers" the "whatevers" you bought constitute equity in the concern
BingoBoingo: Among the other things Sonny V could go back to jail for equities fraud is a leading candidate.
Rassah: In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :)
Rassah: Though not sure about the ethics of this...
decimation: the label "money" isn't relevant - jet fuel is eminently salable, whereas the salability of ethereum is extremely dubious - and that's the property I was interested in specifying with the word "money"
BingoBoingo: Well, their biggest concern should be locating themselves in friendly jurisdictions that don't extradite.
Rassah: decimation: What do you think about Namecoin?
BingoBoingo: Namecoin is jet fuel sort of great, splendid utility, but externalities neuter it as a value.
BingoBoingo: The merged mining that saved namecoin now cripples it.
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Rassah: decimation: K... Point is, regardless of what ether is ultimately worth, if they do come up with a system that's as usable as they hope it will be, you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. It won't be money, and, privately, the ether guys don't seem to want etherium to be money either. Just coins you plunk into the system to keep it rnning
Rassah: BingoBoingo: I'm interested too. How so?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because what do the Big BTC pools that merge namecoin do? Almost uniformly they dump it. Now... there's enough NMC out there that a sufficiently well monetized party could stabilize the market, but doing so would be expensive and bloody
BingoBoingo: Rassah: Being a plus that can be mined on top of BTC with little opportunity cost is a handicap.
Rassah: Why do you need to stabilize Namecoin? It's not money :/
Rassah: If the demand for .bit domain names, addresses, and identities goes up, demand for namecoin will go up. Right now, it just says that no one realy uses .bit
BingoBoingo: ^ Rassah Without stability .bit just lacks appeal.
Rassah: BingoBoingo: My .bit domains are perfectly stable and functional
BingoBoingo: Then there's the tendency of NMC miners to reject tx's because it's just their free bonus coin with purchase of BTC mining
Rassah: I don't keep NMC as mone, stre of value, or a transaction mechanism. I keep it as "a cost to register and renew a domain name"
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Few BTC miners find mining empty blocks an economically optimal choice.
Rassah: Look at NMC as a fluctuating cost at a domain registry, not as an alt coin.
TheNewDeal: well I didn't say empty. You said reject tx's
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Rejected tx's happen on a scale.
Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences?
TheNewDeal: somebody just went to that bitcoin hippy festival called porcine or something
BingoBoingo: So, last friday I'm at the bar and my friends point out a dude with a Bitcoin T-shirt. Suggest I start a conversation. I point out that in the best case they are a stranger, and in the worst case they are some petty scammer I blogged about.
BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts
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BingoBoingo: Well, dude and his friends obviously smelled of drugs
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Smelled like the more solid, you're going to get addicted kind
BingoBoingo: I wonder if the 5-0 has an eu de meth the can spray on to be more convincing undercover
Duffer1: i'm so proud of my cable management
dub: BingoBoingo: not afaik, they go for the real deal
dub: got a buddy who was basically high 24/7 on the job
Rassah: dub: Lots of suiters working at Disney World are like that
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Rassah: I used to work at Disney World. People who wore suits often smoked weed, dropped acid, etc, because they could always blame the consequences on head exhaustion
Rassah: sorry, term is "fur suit," but I guess technicaly costumes
dub: Lawyers are teh biggest pottheads in my experience
Rassah: old habits die hard XD
dub: but we were talking about cops
Rassah: I thought lawyers did coke, no pot?
dub: I've had pleny of jobs where weed was standard issue equipment
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: What brings you to these parts?
HANDSofSTEEL: was reading up on ethereum actually is what brought me here
HANDSofSTEEL: wanted to see what the overall vibe was like but i see there are logs online to look at
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: Yeah, the log are here and as kakobrekla Has blessed you with, search
kakobrekla: i guess it would be fair to note that todays mentions are not parsed in search yet.
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though.
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dub: Rassah: sorry, yes, lawyers == anything goes
Duffer1: etherum isn't going to end well
dub: I expect that it will, at least, not start well
Duffer1: start well for who is the question
Duffer1: haven't they already received several thousand perfectly healthy btc?
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HANDSofSTEEL: well its catch 22, the more on initial, the worse the entry price is, but there is increased interest
HANDSofSTEEL: then popularity explodes after offering but before genesis
HANDSofSTEEL: then that will be a good start for early investors
HANDSofSTEEL: i actually think the technology is awesome is what piques my interest
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cazalla: Duffer1, i know that feel, ocd cable management
Duffer1: ya feels good having it all sorted
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that
cazalla: he'll be taking it in the ass, that's about it
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mircea_popescu: copumpkin: damn! mpoe below .8 << im pretty sure it was her eb4
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: conventional munitions alarm << you mean, ears ringing? or smelled the unmistakeable smell of trotyl? or actual electric alarm? << no there;s an actual alarm.
Rassah: By the way, does anyone have a better (lolsier) reason for why bitcoin will never work than "Bitcoin is deflationary, and will keep going up in price as people hoard it, until it becomes wortless?"
Rassah: mircea_popescu: ??? I mean stupider than the claim I said
Rassah: That's the most entertainingly dumb thing I have heard. I wonder if anyone else has any others
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Wait, why are you telling me that bitcoin will work?..........
dub: that aint cable management
mircea_popescu: btw, let the permanent rtecord reflect that i am less drunken than mthreat
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> rtecord <<
BingoBoingo: Huh, I'm only running a .21 according to this machine
Duffer1: dub it's as far as i was willing to go, not about to rebraid each wire lol
Rassah: mircea_popescu: It sounded like you doubted my faith in bitcoin. Frankly I am offended. The statement I made was lolzy and derpy beause it is essentially saying that bitcoin will become so valuable that it will be valueless, which is a logical contradiction, and yet I have heard that statement countless times over the years
dub fails to quickly find pics of loomed 7*48 port fibre blades and gives up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know making a hit is not as trivial as it sounds.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I thought it was always native << you were right, it was.
mircea_popescu: decimation: everyone knows that eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp << i can attest, carp is huge in eeu
dub: i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally such detectors are valuable to embarass.
mircea_popescu: decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue << muff said.
mircea_popescu: Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys << none of which in the wot ? catperson, puhlease.
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Most people I know are not in the wot. Sorry, but there is a whole separate "wot" out there that's not quite as... digital...
mircea_popescu: think of it as "not being in the communist party" in moscow cca 1952.
Rassah: like my great grandmother and many other relatives?
Rassah: The other "wot" is people who actually know each other in person, and can vouch for each other. It's WOT, witout a digital record
mircea_popescu: you're on the thin ice of presumption. what makes you think people on the wot don';t kn ow each other in person ?
Rassah: and it's just as reliable (see pirate@40) whereby some people can be nice and known and trusted, and turn out to be total douchebags
Rassah: There are a lot of people in wot that have never met in person
mircea_popescu: perhaps you'd be well served by reading the discussion on the topic. the wot dun work as you may imagine it do\es.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, time for me to get my toes suckled. tomorro.
Rassah: I'll go get my dick sucked instead. See ya!
dub: a number of 'trusted' fold in and out of the wot met pirate if you'll recall
fluffypony: Rassah: you are spot on, in a sense - the WoT is a digital representation of the real life business networks that are often found amongst the Freemasons, the Jews, or even among an old boy's club for a particular school
fluffypony: the difference is that it's completely all-encompasing and global in its reach
Rassah: The people in my real life WoT are all-encompasng and global too
Rassah: Except I actually know them, who they are, what they do, what kind of a person they are, etc much more than a nick on an IRC chat
Rassah: Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication
cazalla: so much for that blow job?
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dub: wot provides more behavioural references
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danielpbarron: 02:28:52 <+Rassah> The people in my real life WoT .. << get them in the gribble WoT
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fluffypony: every time I need a transfer to move quickly this happens
xmj: everytime i need something done quickly i'm blocked by bureaucracy.
benkay: <BingoBoingo> mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah. // this is the highest endorsement of the wot i've yet seen
benkay: strongest, sorry, i'm the high one
benkay: nobody escapes the open drinquisition
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pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work
pankkake: about the tslb: anyone tried greenaddress? I've only read the faq, but it seems pretty smart
pankkake: certainly better that an inputs.io style solution
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jurov: honestly i don't think adding 100 of us would skew the results much
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jurov: ;;rate trixisowned 1 b-a voice. and luke said he's a troll.
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trixisowned: i just wanted him to please point out what his share algorithm does on eligius
jurov: he got you a voice here :D
trixisowned: "oh i havent even looked at the code for CBBSRB"
jurov: and you looked into it?
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trixisowned: jurov CBBSRB was created to hide Luke-Jr and his crew taking from each block found by their pool
fluffypony: who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report?
trixisowned: CBBSRB just made it so the blocks looked like they were paying out full blocks on each block payout
trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. /// til they get bored
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something. /// worse, they are selling a painting of a duck to dogs, they don't yet realize it can't fly or quack, but it at least fills their bellies
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :) //// So, they are about equal to every other altcoin with dream, where's
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> decimation: ... you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. /// gtfo
fluffypony: I'm sure I heard someone say that Etherium is "blockchain 3.0 technology" the other day, I wanted to stab them in the face
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo
pankkake: the issue is that there's no exchange yet, obviously
ThickAsThieves: <+dub> i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness /// maybe you should go to running of the bulls
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ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report? /// is it good?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah not bad, some of it is above my pay grade and I don't quite grok the nuances, but it's still interesting
fluffypony: this week they stopped their LTC analysis entirely (they will do ocassional bits of LTC analysis if necessary)
dub: a friend broke his femure in pamplona (not running the bulls, trying to scale balconies the night before), hospitals there are scary
fluffypony: and instead did an analysis of XMR on the back of yesterday's Poloniex announcement
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12826 @ 0.00080241 = 10.2917 BTC [+]
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fluffypony: Pierre_Rochard: the market rarely shifts on the back of news
fluffypony: it's driven by supply and demand and other market forces (which can include news or market manipulation)
Pierre_Rochard: fluffypony: agreed, I look for news because that can hint at the amplitude of the shift
fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday
ThickAsThieves: news is usually just an excuse for market to do what wanted to anyway
BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news.
BigBitz: It could be something amazing and wonderful like US Scrap USD for BTC and it would tank.
BigBitz: Then the next day it would be China bans Bitcoin (again) and it would rallllleeeeyyyythefuckmoade.
Pierre_Rochard: BigBitz: Ok, in the future I will qualify it as “huh. Not seeing any news that could be having a secondary effect because while the price doesn’t revolve around the news, this could be one of the rare news-driven price shifts”. That way there won’t be any confusion.
dub: ThickAsThieves: I thought you called a break up
assbot: BTCUSD Update (Bitstamp) Preparing for $700?
dub: did you fuck that chart up?
dub: less cropping would be useful
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bitcoinpete: * BingoBoingo has never actually been to an airport << huh… ain't that the darndest thing
bitcoinpete: Spoondoolies Halts Sales of SP30, Investigating Technical Issues << that might explain the mysterious 30k TH that suddenly came and went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00080113 = 19.3873 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life << if i had, would that make ethereum suck less?
gribble: 1 BTC = 594.99 USD = 441.839574 eur
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe << einstein, maimonides, spinoza, natalie portman, etc.
bitcoinpete: Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess << hooray for stupid yet useful jooz!
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky. << and crafty! but smart and lucky need not be mutually exclusive.
pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her
cazalla: c'mon, it's hollywood afterall
pankkake: BingoBoingo, fear of flying? :p
bitcoinpete: pankkake: natalie, scarlett johansson, mila kunis, elizabeth banks (convert), isla fisher (convert), gwenyth paltrow, and neve campbell
pankkake: wait, hollywood converts actresses to jews?!
pankkake: funny how I don't like any of those
pankkake: maybe I'm an antisemite after all!
pankkake: my jewdar is broken, despite being French
cazalla: you may as well write a list of who isn't jewish, it'll be shorter
bitcoinpete: Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like << met the dude briefly at toronto expo. so what?
bitcoinpete: kid's being played like a flute by a bunch of dopey tards
cazalla: he's related to marc andresen right?
pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb?
cazalla: on account of their heads and shit
bitcoinpete: his intentions seem innocent enough and i'm sure he's "having fun" but ethereum is still a fucking joke
fluffypony: but...but...isn't it Blockchain 3.0 technology?
fluffypony: meanwhile we haven't even gotten to 1.0 yet
pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin);
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one << i like this
pigeons: those are all cool ideas, but pretending they actually work and can be used is pretty much deceptive
pankkake: well yes, he wants to have fun at others expense
ThickAsThieves: guys I have this problem that only a smart contract can solve!
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: show those derps a 5000 BTC bounty for making 1.0 work and then we might be talking
bitcoinpete: pigeons: fucking 21 yo kid thinks he can invent rounder wheel
gribble: You rated user BingoBoingo on Thu May 22 17:57:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: spinozan, blogger.
pigeons: maybe he can, but build it before you sell it to me
bitcoinpete: well my blog post on the matter was fairly widely read.
bitcoinpete: at least enough to get a phone call from ethereum fearless leader anthony di iorio
bitcoinpete: when he remembers where his pgp keys went, i'll talk to him
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: saying "hi peter. this is anthony di iorio. i was just looking at that blog post. call me back."
pankkake: who do those people think they are
pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post?
bitcoinpete: pankkake: i've met anthony irl twice and we've talked on the phone before. but it's been... quite a while
bitcoinpete: Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public... << trust that gut
pankkake: yeah he's not on #bitcoin-conspiracy
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: where's your super scandalous blog post?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts << lol !
mike_c: i like how therealaltcoin.org has a shopping cart button in the header :)
mike_c: you should link it to x-bt
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday << this theory should have its own blog post. maybe tie it into the baltic bitcoin conference one?
fluffypony: I've now managed to successfully choose the photos I want for the blog post
fluffypony: unfortunately I have to finalise this tender by CoB tomorrow, and there's stuff that needs changing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23372 @ 0.00080444 = 18.8014 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: duffer1 must have spent time in a datacenter. that cable routing is tight.
kakobrekla: funny, atc having most txes per block.
mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?
mike_c: i mean, those are exactly the tools at the disposal of the scammer. misleading cues and communication.
fluffypony: becase confidence tricksters don't exist, and even if they did they'd never know which non-verbal cues they should be giving off
kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> funny, atc having most txes per block. < guess mike_c is to blame
mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll add quark support in winter 2014/2024
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> you should link it to x-bt /// i had to hack teh phpz, but it's done!
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: lol. nice
bitcoinpete: mike_c: if you weren't in the wot, i'd swear your quark support was a scam
mike_c: it's coming, i swear. you can pay me for it now.
bitcoinpete: i only trust mike_c if address starts with teh 3
mike_c: i am trying to figure that out right now.. i thought that was version number and we were still on 1.
mike_c: fuck me, that ehremum address is version 5! such futuristic
chetty: mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?//meeting pirate in person helped so many people figure that one out
mike_c: i know, right? confidence men don't gain your confidence by not having a beer with you.
thestringpuller: "game recognize game and you lookin' kinda unfamiliar" translated: "we know one when we see one and you look like a scammer"
mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements."
nubbins`: i was talking to another local screenprinter last night
nubbins`: he did a series of prints last year depicting a map of the city cut up into different neighbourhoods, with the name of each written on top (it's a thing people do)
nubbins`: he says he's made enough money off those prints so far that he was able to buy a new car :0
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: did you tell him he shoulda bought $10k of bitcoin instead?
nubbins`: i think if he'd done that he'd be less happy now
bitcoinpete: and i'd be shocked if his car kept more value in that year
chetty: <bitcoinpete> $20k car is worth $15k the next year// and all the maintence costs and insurance and and
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: what is this "requires" business?
ThickAsThieves: i mean, somewhere in all this bitcoining you buy stuff, and some of that stuff aint cheap as possible
chetty: choices are so much fun
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: but dude doesn't have any bitcoin afaik
nubbins`: he made the money when btc was > $1k
nubbins`: now, to be fair, he's still making money
nubbins`: i think he said he's pulled in $13k so far, hoping for $20k by the new year
ThickAsThieves: so you might say, ok bro you got the car, maybe now get some btc
nubbins`: what i really want him to spend his money on is stuff i can sell him ;p
bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc
ThickAsThieves: either way i'm done worrying about random canadian stranger!
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nubbins`: we printed that "hey rosetta" one in the second row
xmj: fluffypony: did i post you my business plan and pricing scheme?
xmj: that one is just lulz
xmj: i figured it'd be a sign of (costly) honesty to put the margin % there too.
xmj: you know... signalling. in order to fly my guys to conferences i need to make decent cash.
fluffypony: yeah look, if I paid a competent sysadmin freelancer that'll cost me $50/hour, and I can guarantee they'll over-engineer things despite my asking for something simple
fluffypony: and end up taking 3 weeks to do a 1 day job
Pierre_Rochard: bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13517667 = 2.8387 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: fluffypony: we're at about 75$/h
xmj: and yes overengineering. config management all through.
xmj: it's just that.. we're faster.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.13261 = 1.0609 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: i've noticed there is no difference in setting up a server from scratch either a) manually or b) with salt. b) is reproducible, documented and reusable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1324875 = 1.5899 BTC [-] {3}
xmj: well, i did want to point at the log before, but the greek flag is good too
fluffypony: xmj yeah - I don't have a problem with an over-engineered template that gets reused by someone competent
xmj: fluffypony: if you hear from anyone that they need such, let me know please :)
kakobrekla: <Pierre_Rochard> bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)? < as i was saying, if you are in position where you need to borrow to gamble/invest in btc, you should not do it.
Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho
kakobrekla: put in what you can not what you cant.
nubbins`: paying off debts before putting money into high-risk investment: "a little extreme"
xmj: paying off debt is always the best option.
nubbins`: pierre rochard buying up bitcoins w/ mortgage, car loan, student loans hanging over head
xmj: one exception is if you can do arbitrage gains -- loan against something and lend against someone with equivalent risk and still gain money.
nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage
mike_c: of course, you need credit default swaps for that arbitrage. and insurance on your credit default swap counterparty.
xmj: you don't need cds if they're of equivalent risk.
mike_c: "with equivalent risk"
xmj: if they're of equivalent risk and differently priced that's due to market frictions.
mike_c: mhm. explain this magical scenario where you avoid counterparty risk.
xmj: you don't want to avoid it
xmj: you're a counterparty risk to the bank and someone else is a counterparty risk to you
xmj: the risks are equivalent
bitcoinpete: "Mr. Schneiderman, the state’s top law enforcer, contended that Barclays favored high-frequency traders over other investors in its dark pool, known as Barclays LX. He contended Barclays falsified marketing materials, inaccurately portraying the concentration of high-frequency traders in the market, and he said the bank misrepresented a service that purported to protect investors from predatory trading behavior."
mike_c: the risks aren't equivalent to *you*.
bitcoinpete: "On Thursday, Mark J. Mazur, the Treasury Department’s assistant secretary for tax policy, made the case that any new laws targeting inversions – transactions that allow American companies to reincorporate abroad – should be backdated to May 2014, potentially affecting a number of multibillion-dollar deals."
gribble: 1 XAU = 1291.700000000000 USD = 2.15606743449 BTC
gribble: 1 XAG = 20.680000000000 USD = 0.0345184443332 BTC
ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage // is the assumption here that bitcoin price going to zero would make the borrower go bankrupt? Because that would be poor balance sheet management too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 24.16124788 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2101 satoshi per share
nubbins`: the assumption that blowing your savings on a speculative investment when you have large pre-existing financial committments isn't a good idea
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: meh, very simplistic layperson’s view there. DSCR > 2 and LTV < 50% is prudent
nubbins`: Pierre_Rochard sounds like you've got it all figured out
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: a 0% LTV is not a wise idea, nor is never taking an airplane to minimize risk of death
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1604 @ 0.00295969 = 4.7473 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13232701 = 2.6465 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.13230971 = 4.3662 BTC [-] {2}
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fats_cd03: as long as you evaluate risk properly, everything's gravy.
punkman: asciilifeform: finally read anathem, wasn't such a backbreaker. maybe the big scrolling html made it go down easier than having to turn 900 pages by hand
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fats_cd03: anyone know where i can find a pdf of the 67-77 BRK letters?
fats_cd03: a cursory search didn't reveal anything
punkman: Stephenson says Husserl's writings are the hardest stuff he's read
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fats_cd03: alienware sells painted pigs if i've ever seen one
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ThickAsThieves: "President Barack Obama plans to go on the offensive later Thursday against companies that use cross-border mergers to avoid U.S. taxes, accusing them of essentially renouncing their American citizenship to shield profits. "
mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoinpete.com
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it reported as up when I visited it, hate the game not the player
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "we made the country suck how dare you leave now" is how it works
assbot: Circle has still not responded to Peter Todd about whether they are implementing censorship or surveillance technology : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: o wait, one of the shits im selling short and nobody's buying
pankkake: why would anyone reply to peter todd?
fluffypony: "It's a shame because you make great points, but you express them in a manner that is all over the place bordering on incoherent. Not to mention, you unintentionally come off as a bully calling people fascists, etc, and criticizing people in such vitriolic ways just because their views don't match your own perfectly. To be honest, I agree with you, but I can't imagine you're doing anything but preaching to your own choir by expressing your
fluffypony: ideas in this manner. Try to just present the facts without all of the colorful nonsense."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony sounds to me like someone just got told "you can't be mp, stop trying"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20484 @ 0.00081804 = 16.7567 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: “I promise you even before this speech is over I’ll be attacked as a hater or a bigot or someone who is anti-gay,” Rubio said. “This intolerance in the name of tolerance is hypocrisy. Support for the definition of marriage as one man and one woman is not anti-gay, it is pro-traditional marriage.”
chetty: ThickAsThieves, being 'pro' anything is so last century
hanbot: dub looks for the unsee button / pigeons: yeah like i shouldnt already know better than to click one of mircea_popescu's links << "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!"
assbot: Woman in Labor Unable to Cross Street to Hospital Because of Obama Motorcade | NBC Southern California
mike_c: tmq often rants about gov't officials at even much lower levels with their ridiculous tax-payer funded security details fouling up things for everyone else with their special traffic treatment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00081907 = 10.4718 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: well you just can't let kids see the emperors new clothes
mircea_popescu: i don't get this whole "security detail" bullshit for politicians and bureaucrats.
mircea_popescu: if anyone can be bothered to shoot them, they should be able to
mircea_popescu: not like there's any sort of talent pool involved, or like they'd ever run out.
mircea_popescu: "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!" << lol
mod6: is the domain mpex.co finished? I've updated the key in my script, just wondering if I should s/mpex.co/mpex.bz|mpex.ws/
mircea_popescu: mod6 ideally you should seed from proxybot. if not you can hardwire whichever active domain you like.
mod6: oh, ok. in that case, I'll probably just leave it as is. unless its like, weeks or something.
mod6: thakns mircea_popescu
gribble: Error: "mike_c" is not a valid command.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1158 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
jurov: mircea_popescu when will be the the other DERPs offered?
jurov: or you wait for someone to bid?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00289024 = 1.1966 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <moiety> hi naphex, wb, hope you had a great holiday :]
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adrrr_: mircea_popescu: why do you talk in the third person?
adrrr_: How do you do? lol I don't know
mircea_popescu: this is going well. can you point to such an instance ?
mike_c: mike_c thinks you aren't making any sense.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'adrrr_', with hostmask 'adrrr_!~adrrr@ip-132.net-81-220-142.rev.numericable.fr', is identified as user 'adrrr', with GPG key id DDE46066D54B5198, key fingerprint 0F56A8FD02C59E657AB3C3DDDDE46066D54B5198, and bitcoin address None
mike_c: another confused frenchman.
mircea_popescu: well cause it ain't making any sense. why do you chew the scenery ?
jurov doesn't always talk in 3rd person. but when he does, he uses /me
mike_c: adrrr_: you are bringing up a sore subject. we try not to discuss his tendency to talk in 3rd person.
benkay: <BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though. // it's magically also a bet that nothing'll be around in 9/12 mos.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.13499999 = 2.025 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 213 @ 0.0029 = 0.6177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 787 @ 0.0029 = 2.2823 BTC [+]
mutate_: I'm fairly keen on being in the queue for one of the first alien blowjobs, before the novelty wears off and they start marrying humans and making them unhappy. Unfortunately I can't by any magic Ether cards because maths and computers got you fairly badly bullied at school and so I simply use a computer to have my bank details stolen from and know nothing whatsoever about Linux. What can I do?
fluffypony: mutate_: easy, just get yourself taken up for some probing
mircea_popescu: mutate_ well, you could start working on crumbling that pile of impactions resulting from being bulied ? learn to linux ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell midnightmagic i dun see a problem in principle either, but i was trying to examine this "salt is hard to mine" theory. anyway.
jurov: what makes you think aliens will be good at bjs?
jurov: i guess someone preannounced they will sell for btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.00081605 = 6.7748 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “UNDER capitalism”, ran the old Soviet-era joke, “man exploits man. Under communism it is just the opposite.” In fact new research suggests that the Soviet system inspired not just sarcasm but cheating too: in East Germany, at least, communism appears to have inculcated moral laxity. << for the record, this is older than electricity.
mircea_popescu: "bolshevism is that jew-sponsored form of satanism that alters the moral fiber of good law abiding men making them beasts"
mircea_popescu: there's a whole discussion of the statement of these views as put forward by franco's republic a week or two ago in the logs.
mircea_popescu: Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence... < if that means konstantin, wasn't the guy dead before the war ?
mircea_popescu: Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him << what the fuck sense does this make ? some guy that's not a finance guy involving himself in finance things is stupid by any conceivable definition of th
mircea_popescu: is also to blame, by any conceivable definition of blame.
fluffypony: ok HeySteve says his connection is fixed
mircea_popescu: moreover, buterin in particular is very very guilty, because he knew what he should have done, and he's known it for a long fucking time.
mircea_popescu: as a rule of thumb, i would say it's a great idea that if one's using a bouncer, that one sets the bouncer up so if it fails three times in five minutes it stops trying and shoots the owner an email or something. join/part spam is definitely annoying in all channels, even if most won't do anything about it.
rithm: by bouncer has some long retry delays and a list of every freenode server
rithm: raise the roof hobana
rithm: if my bouncer didn't work i'd quit bitcoin
mircea_popescu: people can want to minimize delays if they're trying to log a chan, but here the logs are published anyway.
rithm: screw you guys, I'm out
HeySteve: not using a bouncer, ADSL just gets dicey occasionally
rithm: i was like a decade-long psyBNC user
rithm: idk y in retrospect
HeySteve: if I forget to disconnect before I go to sleep it can get spammy
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you can prolly set your client not to auto-reconnect
dub: you are nearly always spammy
rithm: yeah my shell is prepaid up to like 2017
rithm: get with the times
HeySteve: ok disabled the auto-reconnect
rithm: this is like 101 stuff like using BCC
rithm: or black boxes instead of blur filters to redact
rithm: plain white boxes would also redact just as well
rithm: nice pattern though
rithm: who signed up for porn?
jurov: no porn. just alien blowjobs are IPOing somewhere
rithm: epoch.com is definitely a porn cancellation
rithm: it says sexgangsters.com
rithm: looks like a reocurring 34.99 if I've ever seen anything like that
HeySteve: heh I tried that sexgangsters thing, didn't seem very interactive tho
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is deliberate. if people wanted interactive they wouldn't do online porn, they'd get a gf.
HeySteve: I learnt today of some guy in Romania making a Heroes of Might & Magic style browser game
HeySteve: the idea is you'll be able to play against people for Bitcoin
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mircea_popescu: well there have been like 500 remakes, i recall playing a pretty good one back in 2007ish.
mircea_popescu: please do. homm2/3 were like... the best games ever made.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, open source game I'm doing, will eventually allow people to battle for bitcoin, a mix of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 and trading card games, lots of units, each with unique abilities
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, sorry, what's s.mg? not familiar with bitcoin-assets atm
assbot: S.MG last 2@0.00009100
nagzter: HeySteve: mentioned this channel over in #ancientbeast and I wanted to check it out ;)
dub: dude, aspiring to be EA?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is that a license type? trying to make sense of it :D
dub: mircea_popescu: you'll want to aim higher than those fucktards
nagzter: I'm over on the site now ;)
dub: less crack more utility
HeySteve: EA are quite hated, what they did to Dungeon Keeper was terrible
mircea_popescu: like you know, bitcoin is the bitcoin dollar. doesn't mean anyone's printing it.
HeySteve: nope mircea_popescu, they released a DK mobile game
HeySteve: where to mine a block, you basically had to pay or wait a few hours / days
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, get your gpg registered in the wot as a first step. we'll work something out.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, website doesn't provide any info about what this is exactly; I did one or more transactions on bitcoin-otc thingy a while ago if that helps
assbot: BBC News - EA faces criticism over mobile Dungeon Keeper game
gribble: User 'DreadKnight', with keyid F6A23D326FDF1035, fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Apr 7 14:39:11 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 12:39:11 2013.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=DreadKnight . Currently not authenticated.
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: well, do you still have key 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035 ?
mike_c: fingerprint, not fingreprint
DreadKnight: seems I have that key, yey, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, fun fact : notaries in argentina require you to put your thumbprint next to doc uments you sign
mircea_popescu: which is really ofputting, because in many cultures, such as my own, the thumbprint is the curse of the illiterate.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well then just get the pgp blob at the url, then run gpg and paste it in
mircea_popescu: Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences? ^ a bunch of people went to all sorts of them.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a bit noobish; running gpg in a terminal... and it's like gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... then I paste F6A23D326FDF1035 in? xD
mircea_popescu: the login process is that you make a claim as to who you are, gribble encodes a string to that public key
mircea_popescu: to prove you actualy are that you decrypt and present the string
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
DreadKnight: oh, I ignored gribble a while ago, was poking me daily on private
mircea_popescu: now try replacing "string" with you know, the actual string.
pankkake: that would explain your difficulties :D
mircea_popescu: you can keep it ignored really. the otp url never changes
DreadKnight: was thinking I'm not running those commands
DreadKnight: well, I'm not sure where to press any key :P
mircea_popescu: you don't actually need any input from it to do this. just flip its state twice.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b754a642b13565e0bfe87f3083717c62829912335e322188a0e32d01
mircea_popescu: <gribble> You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
mircea_popescu: at this rate you'll have to write things on your tits a la indiancandy girl.
gribble: indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver
pankkake: I don't know why I never noticed the URL did not change… could have saved me a step
gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> 500*
HeySteve: mircea_popescu that makes sense
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight now you can self-voice. you identify with gribble (same process as you just completed) then pm assbot !up
DreadKnight: sorry it took me so long, did that stuff last time about 1 year ago perhaps xD ignoring gribble only added to the confusion
efefefrbrb: still amused by the whole Ethereum scam
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.
jurov: DreadKnight: if you're on linux or mac, just do the curl script i pasted
jurov: it will ask your passphrase and spit out the decrypted message
DreadKnight: I might have got the passphrase wrong, tried a few times and didn't get a field anymore to write in
jurov: what did gpg write to console?
jurov: ^ that should have been interracial
fats_cd03: on ma mobile and t-nazis has my traffic filtered
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mircea_popescu: jurov aww why. honky tonk galz can't lick each other out no mo ?
mircea_popescu: what's this bizarre hang-up with "actually knowing" people one met on skype and "kept in touch with" on facebook ?
mircea_popescu: it reads to me like alfred p. doolittle confronted with a restaurant after a lifetime of mcdonalds explaining how them hamburgers were at least nourishing.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work << quite.
mircea_popescu: this is just about how one identifies libertards in the field. they do this paint-by-numbers thing like the soviets of yore.
GodHatesFigs: r/bitcoin - where economic illiteracy meets teenage investment plans
GodHatesFigs: let's all pester this merchant into accepting bitcoin!
assbot: trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout
fluffypony: GodHatesFigs: in parlance it's /r/<subreddit> - if you drop the leading forward-slash it's hard to catch programatically
fluffypony: seems like you're including /r/ results :-P
mircea_popescu: trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing << this is pretty major, actually.
trixisowned: and says "I DONT EVEN HAVE ANY PART IN ELIGIUS ANYMORE"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he's punting Etherium? << he's new, and behind on teh reads.
fluffypony: pankkake: you've been buying Magic the Gathering cards again?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo << well obviously not all.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that the past few days have kinda clearly shown the complete lack of any counterparty. you can't trade without cp.
BingoBoingo: Ah the few people who considered wanting the Ether didn't want it when they heard about the hangover when you come to
mircea_popescu: i got drunk on champagne, there's no hangover for that.
BingoBoingo: I've never had a problem with champagne, now "champagne" as in the generic bubbly stuff from places that shouldn't be attempting such a thing...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you had the romanian stuff. ever drunk it or just gifted it away ?
ThickAsThieves: i think i told you but the bottle from Ro made it safely home and into my belly at some point
jurov: ThickAsThieves for quality hangovers look for "warning: contains sulphur"
jurov: yes, whatever they use to treat it
mircea_popescu: yeah, bisulphites can be a good cause. all sorts of crap they put in wine, sparkling or not, can be it.
mircea_popescu: sugar especially, which is why you want to drink brut or very dry
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if checking accounts get cancelled like that too
mircea_popescu: no, it's how the aml crap works. world's noobliest bayesian filtering implemented by janitors and congressional aides.
fluffypony: pigeons: you should click on more links
mike_c: the world wide web is a pile of undocumented bullshit.
pigeons: not after that one from mircea_popescu yesterday
pigeons: no i just dont want to look at it
pankkake: I've had a fiat transactions cancelled for less - but that payment processor was trash for almost everything so
pigeons: coinbase cancellation as in mircea_popescu cancelled his DERP? or coinbase cancellation as in the same old thing where they cancel people's order cause coinbase
cyranodeB: thanks BingoBoingo.... how is showering? i can smell you from here! (smile)
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Well, I just got back from cutting some lawns so smelling pretty ripe
mircea_popescu: BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news. <<< bitcoin is here to make the news, not to follow the news.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ? << I don't think I've had any that would be in Lithuania atm
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but then again you drink, so how'd you know.
cyranodeB: sorry if i annoy anyone with a repeated question.. but does anybody have an idea why bitcoin is crashing???
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mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side.
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just the usual "Banned Bitcoin" again or some shit
mircea_popescu: pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb? << it's a self-selecting activity. smart people find better things to do.
cyranodeB: where do you have that information from BingoBoino?
mircea_popescu: pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin); << he's like andreas v2.0 then ?
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just read someone derping about it a few hours ago. Don't care enough to look into it because this shit just happens.
cyranodeB: anyone else here who has an idea whats happening?
mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644367.37 in 1216 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.23
assbot: Massive DDOS Against Coin Fire Underway - Coin Fire
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mircea_popescu: "A few nights ago an attacker sent a message via our contact form demanding we send .5 BTC to protect ourselves from a DDOS attack."
mircea_popescu: wait, this wouldn't be the same guy i was lulzing at last month ?
mircea_popescu: "The attack vector is using Facebook notes to flood our site using a known exploit on Facebook and we’ve reached out to friends at Facebook’s Cyber Security team who have determined the IP address of the original person hitting the attack vector and are working with law enforcement actively to track this user down."
BingoBoingo: No idea, but Facebook seems like an appalingly stupid sort of tool for this kind of derp
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mircea_popescu: it's stupid-easy to protect from : a) ban facebook. b) don't allow ambiguous reference to expensive resources.
dignork: BingoBoingo: there was an article, about facebook aggresively crawling site which you post a link to, it can be used to ddos
mircea_popescu: fuckwits on the internet tho, just use words like their mommy made them
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements." << tl;dr : 3addresses are an unnecessary and crufty thing some idiots pretend they've added to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Misconceptions (on the bitcoin.it wiki) : Addresses are not wallets nor accounts, and do not carry balances. They only receive funds, and you do not send "from" an address at any time.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you send bitcoin, pray tell, if not by signing with the private key associated with a public key that's an address that has a balance ?
dignork: pigeons, I looked at dogeparty, it's a fork of counterparty, minus double-spending protection provided by btc network
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gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight next is, well, tell me a little about what you're planning with this game, how's it going etc.
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, Alright :-) making free open source game project, turn based strategy game playable from the browser; it's kinda like the reverse of Super Smash Bros Brawl, as it features a lot of original characters that will be featured in a lot of other games; the project is inspired by Heroes of Might and Magic 3's combat system, but improved, combined with Trading Card Games; it's fun, easy to get into, but it's hard to maste
DreadKnight: r, one of those ever green games basically; it leaves nothing up to chance and randomness, yet no two games will be the same; it can be played 1vs1 or 2vs2 on pretty much any device with pretty much any input method; so want to make "the chess of the future", a way for people to battle for fun or digital currency, very accessible, playable even without account or paying anything; I'm a bit stuck on the coding part atm, the current
DreadKnight: prototype was funded thanks to a few bitcoins I sold at a decent enough time so that I could afford paying a part time coder for a few months, but now I'm broke and I'm not a very good coder; so I could use some support to get things going
mircea_popescu: it leaves nothing up to chance and randomnes << this is a problem.
DreadKnight: in chess you don't have randomness; the random part is that unlike chess, you pick your units (tools) as you go by, so from hundreds of units, you'll only put like 5 or so into play in a match
DreadKnight: so you'll always want to counter your enemy units with ones that you think are best for the job
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight if there's no randomness involved people won't be likely to play for btc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason poker championships give out multi milion prizes
DreadKnight: in chess you get basically an infinite of possibilities, no two games are the same; and Ancient Beast is way more complex than chess, but looks less boring
DreadKnight: I'm not looking to make yet another poker or dice game, there are plenty of btc online casinos
BingoBoingo: Yeah a game without randomness leads to high level play being dominated by dickstabbers, people who instead of playing in an enjoyable way will pull out their dick knives and stab their dick for an 0.01% advantage.
DreadKnight: I'm making something that's all about skill, not luck
DreadKnight: even if you pick only the units with best stats, they can be countered, so there's no point in exploiting the game; your opponent will most likely be able to make the same units, so no point in that
mircea_popescu: this log is fucking epic. guy that's got himself blacklisted by derping at me can't spell funding and is looking for $500.
DreadKnight: a lot of people play moba (dota/dota2/league of legends/heroes of newerth/etc), played moba for about years and pretty much avoided all the issues that type of game has when it comes to Ancient Beast itself
mircea_popescu: the sad irony of all this being that we've been actually looking for a competent sysadmin to run stuff for years.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight looky here : in business, one's always selling something. games are business. as such, they can either sell content or risk.
mircea_popescu: to make money selling content you need huge economies of scale, because content is so expensive to make.
mircea_popescu: this is why wow was a gold mine and rift spent 10mn for ~3mn in returns
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, even if it's free open source, there are business strategies to it
mircea_popescu: so now, you'll have to sell risk whether you want to or not. learn to live with it.
DreadKnight: which everybody has access to, but which won't be have a ladder / prized / money involved at all
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Luke-Jr: [22:23:06] <mircea_popescu> took out the private key discussion entirely, <-- because it has nothing to do with addresses
Luke-Jr: [22:23:26] <mircea_popescu> added the entire misconceptions thing… <-- because it is needed
mircea_popescu: private keys have nothing to do with the public keys they're paired with ?
Luke-Jr: addresses aren't public keys
mircea_popescu: can i calculate the bitcoin address that'd correspond to any arbitrary private address i choose ?
Luke-Jr: *version 1 addresses* are *implemented* using ECDSA keypairs inside wallets; but that's a technical detail, and there is a separate page for technical details
Luke-Jr: the Address page is intended to be for end-users
mircea_popescu: eh spare me the derpage. you and the rest of the usg plants are trying to push forward a certain political aggenda.
mircea_popescu: it won't work if i have to kill you all, and i won't have to kil you all.
Luke-Jr wonders wtf he is being accused of now
mircea_popescu: you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all.
DreadKnight: there will be a mode for subscribers that will have a monthly ladder, top players receiving prizes; each match and victory will be logged; in this mode, your units will die and you'll have to purchase card packs with random units inside, so you won't have access to every single unit in the game unless you pay, also each victory will take a toll, as you'll have casualties most likely; you'll also be able to feed your units to impro
DreadKnight: ve certain stats for limited amounts of time, food will be rather cheap, but it can make the difference between life and death, victory and loss; besides, there will be tournaments, playing for digital currency (where a % will be taken as fee); each month the ladder will start fresh, winners from previous month being added to a hall of fame; there will also be merchandise in the shop (tshirts, miniatures, plushies, and so on), mos
DreadKnight: t of the Ancient Beast units will become popular thanks to their license / attribution and usage, so it's all like a virus, to spread as much as possible
mircea_popescu: so what's your role in all this ? you draw the artwork ? you code the game ?
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a jack of all trades, designed the project, I manage the thing, make abilities, made the website, look for contributors, code, sketch, test it with fans, whatever it needs to be done; I'm working with quite a bit of people, constantly looking for fresh blood, that's the beauty of being open source
mircea_popescu: so like a pm basically, mostly covering for game design
DreadKnight: I'm proficient with organic low poly modeling though, but that will be noticeable a bit later, when animations will get in the game, sample www.AncientBeast.com/viewer
DreadKnight: getting weekly emails from people to allow them to use artwork / assets in their games and I'm pretty much underground atm
DreadKnight: I don't really need a publisher, need a bit of funding / sponsorship to speed things up and get some help with coding
DreadKnight: indie game devs don't usually go for publishers; they rather make crowd funding campaigns to avoid strings attached
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, back in the day the only method were printing cd's and selling them in shops, so yeah, publisher was needed; now it's internet era, digital downloads, websites, app stores
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. this is the point of flesh, to make thoughts painful.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho <<< i can see it. bitcoin is still not for the poor.
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mircea_popescu: the two are amusingly related : work -> schweddyballs -> tide.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, the game is playable from the website, SaaS business model (software as a service), so what was your meaning?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just an alternate spelling of sweaty balls, that also happens to be an edible product.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're thinking publisher in the sense of the world of atari, making hardware cartridges.
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight im thinking more in the sense of the larger entity you get backstopped against.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, there are several ways of spreading a webgame as well, "web publishers" like facebook, fgl.com, gamejolt.com and many more - the game is easy to embed anywhere actually
DreadKnight: or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, wondering, I'm from Constanta, what about you? (most likely Bucharest)
BingoBoingo: “We need Darwinism to sneak back into our society. We [medical community] have propped up too many people that shouldn’t be alive today which has allowed the creation of ‘super idiots’ that the world has never seen before. Seriously, has anybody seen the movie Idiocracy..we are starting to live it.”
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i lived for a while in timisoara, cluj before that.
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, got a bit caught up reading that blog post, though it's related to current situation a bit, about using the proper terms :D
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you're not in Romania anymore? A bit confused
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.00289999 = 0.551 BTC [+]
DreadKnight: A lot of people leave this country, including my best friends...
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so the assets part is kinda like in stock market, not "art assets"?
DreadKnight: just making sure, was really confused at first, because we were talking art assets in the project channel
DreadKnight: well, current prototype so far was funded with bitcoins, hopefully it will continue that way
DreadKnight: yeah, donations, it wasn't worth much but I held on to those coins and sold when it started to get fatty
DreadKnight: I use every single dollar efficiently and know to bargain
mircea_popescu: mkay. well, can you turn all this into a business plan ?
DreadKnight: there was no point to it if there was no business plan
DreadKnight: as in, I can't spend tremendous amounts of time working on it along with other people if it wouldn't sustain itself, not to mention me eventually
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DreadKnight: quite a few seen "Video Games the movie" and asked "what about open source?", well, open source game dev is not even on the map for proper reasons, but I want to show it's possible
DreadKnight: like I said for the business model, subscription granting access to more game modes, digital merchandise (card packs / lifes , food / boosters, skins), physical merchandise and fees from betting currency (as spectator or player)
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HeySteve: I saw that, needed more PC master race
HeySteve: the intro with Queen song was pretty rad tho
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight ok, let me put it this way : so far you're making it impossible to be helped. now, lots of people circle this chan in the hopes of getting some support, you're way ahead of them through a combination of good luck and good luck.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I guess you have some terms, the poker / randomness stuff?
mircea_popescu: i have some hard in-principle things that can disqualify a proposition, but they're pretty sparse.
mircea_popescu: field is new, so we don't know a whole lot about what fundamentally doesn't work just yet.
mircea_popescu: but yes, a deterministic web game for btc is a non starter.
DreadKnight: it can easily be fixed, have lots of game modes in mind; basically you can just assign random limited unit pools to each player
DreadKnight: if you really want to have the random element in that is
DreadKnight: initially wanted to allow buying individual units, but did a bit game design research and seems this is more fun and profitable and balanced, people won't buy only over powered units and some want to collect them all, so they might have to buy and buy until they're satisfied or out of funds
DreadKnight: eventually there will be custom skins and such; seems a lot of people care about vanity items in dota2 rather than carry about increasing their gameplay skills
HeySteve: people love their in-game bling / customisation stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19263 @ 0.00081487 = 15.6968 BTC [-]
DreadKnight: will definitely want the main character fully customizable
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve i thought it was retarded at first, turns out its way less retarded than raiding for 80 hours to make your hero look dope
HeySteve: just like real life, most people think appearance > substance
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves I guess so yeah, but I don't like the pay to win kind of thing at all
DreadKnight: was checking reviews for a tablet a few months ago and the tablet was pink, most reviews were like "and it's awesome that it's pink, my daughter will love it", mom also got a pink phone *sigh*
HeySteve: but for cosmetic stuff, it works well
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money.
ThickAsThieves: pump out new characters, new costumes for the old ones, and never update the actual game much
DreadKnight: HeySteve, I agree; I'm keeping pay to win totally away from free to play; hated that I played Ancient Summoner (now called Rise of Mythos) and I was pawning most players, but everytime I was fighting a noob that put a few bucks in the game, I was getting humiliated, I eventually quit playing because of that
DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, it has chat rooms, you can make new ones hmm
DreadKnight: anyway, Ancient Beast has lots of advantages over moba (dota2)
DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, the chat is right side in the main menu
DreadKnight: every country has a few rooms, lots of trading or random channels
DreadKnight: a lot of item trading spam or swearing / flaming :D
DreadKnight: I'm really starting to hate having to team up with random people in online multiplayer games, nothing good comes out of it usually
DreadKnight: one feeds, another one gets support and doesnt buy a ward / curier, one is afk, one disconnects, one thinks he's carry with the support, one has tank but he's always last in team fight, another one has initiator but he doesn't initiate crap and so on