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asciilifeform: trinque: it's a valid q imho, tho, whether an adatronic irc oughta be baked
trinque: obviously I've been here for those threads.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I was trolling alf here.
asciilifeform: ( naturally you'd run the frontend on localhost strictly )
asciilifeform: so potentially the genesis would not be junk, but could be productively reused.
asciilifeform: however it is not necessarily the case that it'd be a total writeoff. a irc frontend for gossip station would ( iirc we discussed this ) not be useless, it would eliminate the chore of writing chat clients
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the issue isn't whether we should have proper rt comms ; the issue is why the fuck would i want an intermediate step here. i don't, it's a great way to waste manhours.
mircea_popescu: wtf do i want to reimplement bs irc, end up with a dead genesis that we won't use.
mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is what's his interest in all this, i dunno why he recently figured out he wants a special irc network.
mircea_popescu: trinque, eventually, the cost of inept hoops exceeds the cost of let's just move.
trinque: if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
mircea_popescu: you have 30 seconds to do it.
asciilifeform: aha, so not 100% cured , then ?
trinque: deedbot doesn't require you be auth'd to nickserv, but does challenge you based on the nick with which you're speaking to it.
asciilifeform: i thought he was negrated for desertion
mircea_popescu: we specifically took out the gribble "functionality" of "auth state" ; nanotube was to fix his bot to match but then opted to silently not to, ended up negrated for it.
asciilifeform: ( then apparently trinque fixed this and asciilifeform slept through )
mircea_popescu: so... we've actually designed around them. dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: there's no "auth". there's just voice. and as douchebag aptly pointed out, if you change the name nothing happens.
asciilifeform: ( or am i mistaken ? trinque , if can't use nick, can still auth with deedbot ? or not )
mircea_popescu: the true part (there's no threat to account security) comes from the fact we don't even use their derpy scheme.
asciilifeform: 'Unfortunately, some people have used this opportunity to spread some misinformation, claiming that "all passwords have been released". This is not the case; there has been no threat to account security due to this incident. Additionally, we do not store passwords in a recoverable form at all.' << i've a bridge to sell.
asciilifeform: aha, pretty tedious
mircea_popescu: we know it's a thoroughly despisable piece of shit.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-26 18:13 Neru: Global Notice] Hello freenode, you may have noticed 2 days ago many users got logged out of their NickServ accounts. After our investigation, we have come to the conclusion one or more of our sponsored servers have been compromised. Please change your password IMMEDIATELY. More details are available in #freenode with the command !help
asciilifeform: ( and for some reason they announced it via spamatron ? or whole thing, disinfo? i've neither any idea, nor particularly care... http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-26#363971 )
mircea_popescu: there's 20k or whatever who connect, and 99% of the humans involved are on #trilema, it's ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: anyway. rather than the transparent shenanigans, it is of greater concern that ~no one is on freenode. i mean, the fucktards in #lisp still, TO THIS DAY, haven't yet figured their way out of the paper bag of my asking "hey folk, would you like a candi_lustt ?".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that , and last week's , and at least 1nce between the 2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#873009 << this item. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's pill, of limiting payload mass per shot, is prolly The Right Thing ( tho keep in mind that, given the erratic block production of typical shitfork, it will make for a quite slow and volatile dumping )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i seem to recall electrum being one of those turds that ~nobody was able to get to even build, and ~all of the users used a binturd, which at least 1nce turned out to contain straight back orifice
a111: Logged on 2016-02-19 15:24 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-19#1410185 << they wiped the old articles, note this goes to root now ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm just talking about the one they themselves identified, 3 years ago or so.
asciilifeform: lol re fleanode -- this was at least... 3rd time? ( and that's merely since asciilifeform tuned in )
mircea_popescu: especially the 2nd order effect of "mandated post-mortems", none of that inept shit where freenode announces it was nsa infected, promises write-up, then forgets it did and replaces everyone involved.
ben_vulpes: afaik, the option to bamboozle is in withholding outputs or supplying synthetics
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would this bamboozling work, operator still supplies address to spend to
asciilifeform: sorta like, you dun care necessarily if somebody steals a turd that a bird shat into your garden. but on other hand, if somali pirates steal a tanker of guano from your guano fleet...
mircea_popescu: and if it blows up, in lieu of the product you give the victims a signed full description of what happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so you advertise a tx limit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i guess we can revisit this hypothesis when somebody asks your bot to transmute 100btc worth of shitcoin, and hostile upstream node bamboozles yer electrum into sending it to hitler.
ben_vulpes: once it turns into a real item, aka bitcoin, i care. until then, nop
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:50 asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
ben_vulpes: there are things for which i care about maintaining the tree of inputs that resulted in my balance, and there's ephemeral shit
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think i've ever driven anything but 'beater car'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hey, at least documenting the lulz "everyone knows" where everyone takes value from the set of 5 folk who went to the same state street kindergarten we did...
trinque: I guess asciilifeform never had the proverbial beater car
trinque: because it's an optimization problem with a disposable item as one of the terms
asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: same problem applies to using it to move shitcoins, as in bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i'm not using it as a node, i'm using it as a scalpel to slice flesh off altcoiners
asciilifeform: ( the folx running the 'shitcoin is worth something' theatre, have substantial interest in nobody actually running nodes but themselves , etc , this prolly is obvious to the alert reader )
asciilifeform: setting up nodes to actually do the deed of shitcoin removal and movement, for instance, is ( at least in asciilifeform's experience last summer ) a first class bitch
asciilifeform: sorta was my point : it isn't that no one can build a convenient ( from user pov ) transmutation reactor ! it can be built. but operation will inevitably involve good deal of regular sweat from the operator, negating most of the automation.
asciilifeform: i suspect the result will be interesting mostly as a 'journal of negative results' item. ( gox, for instance, can quietly swallow coin, once it cottons on to who's using api, and why . asciilifeform's acct, last time around, was -- interestingly -- closed by goxkeeper , tho a coupla days too late to have any effect )
mircea_popescu: the marginal utility is not 0, ill throw some ex-coin in the hopper if it's made.
mircea_popescu: note that i was talking to jurov. considering he's intelligent and seems maybe interested (hard to tell, he's so quiet), and considering he's not currently doing anything, the marginal cost in republican terms is 0.
asciilifeform: it can be worked around, but game is probably not worth the candles, considering what folx are typically willing to pay for transmuting shitcoin
asciilifeform: they appear to. however they also insist on various idiocies, 'accounts', '2factor'-whatevers, various caltrops to attempt to prevent precisely such automation
mircea_popescu: most of the goxen have "api"s .
asciilifeform: ( obvious problem -- the 'buyers' aint human, they consist solely of goxen, quite likely. still could outsource the chore of ferrying shitcoin to gox, and consider the two subsystems as independent )
mircea_popescu: this imo is involving the wrong end of the vagina.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ideally interfaces with all the goxen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking re detail of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819365 : theoretically a pure shitcoin<->btc transmutator, does not need gox in the loop, if shitcoin ~buyers~ could be persuaded to visit it and buy ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:31 phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819461 << hey, i know a place or two like that around cape cod! though they usually don't get wet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:17 phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819451 << and if not, try antibiotics. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: what if girly in $advertising twiddled her nose and went "meh..." ?!
mircea_popescu: they don't earnestly try. that's the fucking point, when presented a paper car you don't ernestly try to drive it ; when presented a "social justice" truth / "Global warming" science etc religious nonsense you don't earnestly try to verify it. you're supposed to be excited and fucking clap, what the fuck, they're filming the advertising not asking you what you think.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 12:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819444 << and that's exactly the problem -- he was participating EARNESTLY. he actually tried to do well, and had the wherewithal to do well. he was, if you will, a republican lost in empire. ☝︎
trinque: it is truly poverty for a man to only have one FUCKGOAT
asciilifeform: no need, i can link to as-is
mod6: That is the blog post :]
asciilifeform: but afaik nobody's hands are free for this presently.
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : i'm still interested in , at least in theoretical stage, a less-retarded replacement for dieharder
asciilifeform: mod6: definitely, turn it into a blogpost
mod6: I do have these ones too for the one hooked up to the rockchip, not sure if interested: http://mod6.net/2018/May/12/rockchip_fg_test.txt
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I left a comment on yer guide re: php5.6 shitgnomes deprecating mysql in favor of mysqli. (Should be in queue). This will be a boon indeed if we can string all the quirks of mp-wp-on-rockchip in one place
asciilifeform: ^ now has link to mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , and BingoBoingo 's FG tests. if anyone else posted FG tester outputs and i missed -- please write in !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty for your tests! i have linked your pg from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html now.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819336 << holyshit, BingoBoingo doing my chores for me! ty BingoBoingo !
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thanks; looking forward to the rest of the walk to mp-wp at any rate (I can see the appeal of ligthtpd for sure)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 00:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nice work there!
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819338 << ty, I plan on blogging the rest of the walk to mp-wp on the rockchip so it is on the shelf for future reference. ☝︎
phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :) ☟︎
phf: yeah that's what i'm doing, a long weekend
mod6: Werd. I gotta remember to work on finding some time. Even if just a long weekened or whatever.
mod6: I'm hoping to get some vacation in, still trying to plan something. Nothing definite yet though.
mod6: speaking of maryland, I saw that one town near baltimore had some raging torrents of rain rushing through the streets this weekend.
phf: it's also that brief time of the year in maryland dc area when the weather is _good_. the rollercoaster of winter is past, but the swampy oppressive summer isn't here yet.
mod6: Ah, yeah. Get some well-deserved time off. R&R for a few days at least.
phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me ☟︎
mod6: mornin TMSR~
ave1: phf, thank you, should be fixed now!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:46 mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.