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mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923447 << so did linus. the problem with the behaviour standard is that pantsuit aligned agent can appear to behave sanely for lack of actual testing for any arbitrary length of time. eg, my clay pot also has behaved sanely as hammer for lo these past 3 weeks -- principally because i've not had need of any hammers 3 weeks straight. ☝︎
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje or other serious brain tells me why it's a stupid idea, i'ma listen. but atm i suspect it is necessary and inescapable.
asciilifeform: and i refuse to use heathen virtualizers, where 9000 remote 0day are found erry month.
asciilifeform: trinque: the idea is, i want to emplace turnkey 'tx clears and you have root' 'virtual' service at piz. with cuntoo.
asciilifeform: btw trinque i have a patched kernel, at some pt (sept?) when free hand, will be porting cuntoo userland. ☝︎
asciilifeform: even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff to read 100MB of cpp. ☟︎
trinque: I also think you folks vastly underestimate the amount of labor that's going to take.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 15:41 diana_coman: I'm waiting on trinque to find out really.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in other lulzy orc tech: that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i suppose all death is expected.
asciilifeform put in what loox like a working workaround. if anyone sees barf , plox to write in. and will have to move the thing, i suspect, sooner than expected.
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:22 asciilifeform: finally i notice she's wearing latex gloves.
asciilifeform: i think even g_l folk know, roughly, in advance, what will be effect
asciilifeform: i thought was re 8192baud
mp_en_viaje: eg, i can'd my own brain earlier, by taking a sulpha rather than having a cold.
asciilifeform: ( supposing 50% padding to payload -- this'd be 1024 bytes/sec of payload, i.e. quite enuff for a (compressed) voice conversation in realtime, say. )
BingoBoingo: Neither did I
asciilifeform: ( the typical g_l, as i understand, aint 'watchmaker elephant' , tho, but rather ordinary elephant. but this is possibly separate point. )
asciilifeform: chemist & ex-auschwitz fella primo levi had an essay, actually , re where errything a chemist does is 'elephant watchmaker' , i.e. 'blunt' manipulations which add up to desired effect on microscopically fine subject
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho the hammer analogy is poor, tho -- i've 'optimized cpu' with... grinder (polish heat sink), other folx -- with liquid n2, etc. 'barbaric' manipulation can in some cases optimize fine mechanism . for some value of optimize.
asciilifeform: the, i think, canonical g_l 'performance dopes' thrd . ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
mp_en_viaje: i think it was a 2015-2016 era item, possibly involving g_l either personally or in being
asciilifeform: i think earliest discuss. was http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808006 . ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, do you happen to recall the discussion re psychoactives, where i was like "whatever, trying to optimize your kernel by hitting cpyu with large hammer"
diana_coman: I knew I did it before but on standard wp and I hadn't looked at mp-wp
diana_coman: cool, I'll mull it over a few more days and I'll get back to you
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no, not in preference; but so they write there their "I plan this; I did this; here's what is wrong and what is fine"
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don't see where it would cause a problem.
diana_coman: cool stuff, thank you BingoBoingo ; I'll give this a bit more thought to figure out if blog is best or enough but in principle it seems I'll have to park young new hands somewhere public so they can do their homework and atm I'm considering a shared account on Pizarro - would this be ok with Pizarro or do you see some problem with it/would rather not?
girlattorney: i have enough material to read for a couple of days
mp_en_viaje: well, i;m writing, but that notwithstanding, the answer's generally gonna be "read some stuff"
asciilifeform gotta go and do chore; girlattorney : mp_en_viaje can answer most of these q's much better than i, supposing he has time atm .
girlattorney: asciilifeform fair point and i hope in similar uptimes.
girlattorney: as already told: i appreciate that TRB exist even if i still not able to using it. However reading logs when syncing has been a pain and i thought that mempool during syncing could create just overhead
asciilifeform: the 'reject peers sending garbage' mechanism is also mine. trb did not always have it. i submitted it for inclusion to mod6's flagship after determining that it results in substantially improved performance across the board (i.e. peers sending bloomism are, statistically, an unlikely source of the-next-block) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i personally removed this nonsense, as 1 of the opening shots of trb story.
asciilifeform: prb had 'orphanage' mechanism where it accepted antecedent-less inputs 'on faith'. this opens node both to memory exhaustion and algorithmic complexity attack (i.e. crafted input can prompt machine into wasting arbitrary amt of memory, + arbitrary amt of cpu cycle walking it)
girlattorney: asciilifeform i'm aware of the fast sync part. Just saying that when i sync a node i actually get data from other prb nodes. I'm not getting garbage or errors, and I think (not being technically able unfortunately) that you could modify prb to verify all the blocks, and eventually discard the excess if I reecived them in sprayed order
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
BingoBoingo: <girlattorney> but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes << During initial sync trb wants to receive blocks in order while core will intentionally spray blocks out of order
girlattorney: so i can effectively say that i'm receiving blocks from other nodes, they aren't just connecting and stay silent. They are sending me blocks.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I notice when I drop the version number down enough I'll get a wider number of version strings in my peerslist
girlattorney: but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw none of the nodes i've operated were ever set to masquerade as prb (other than in the 0.9999... aspect)
girlattorney: i was asking about where a TRB node fetch the blocks, if all of the TRB nodes are only interconnected with themselves
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje i'm re-reading the messages, what do you mean by saying this? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922517 ☝︎
girlattorney: asciilifeform i know that it's centralized. A couple of CA that runs the game
BingoBoingo: girlattorney: It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe if the version string on a peer is greater than X, they insist on SSL'ing
girlattorney: Also, what's the problem in the nodes not being rewarded from being just nodes? If I want to run a serious business I'll need a node, otherwise i can stick with a third party wallet such as primedice or deedbot
girlattorney: what i'm missing?
girlattorney: but i see the article is from 2016
girlattorney: From the article i read "In any case, a word to the wise : if you are designing ASIC chips, and you are not including the possibility of feeding a bitfield like this in blocks, you are deliberately ensuring failure not just for yourself, but for your customers as well. This change WILL eventually come in, start planning accordingly, today. ["
girlattorney: another question that i think belong here. Tried to read the logs but haven't found enough clarity. When Bitcoin should scale the blocksize?
girlattorney: i think that the large number of writes could be a problem in the long term
girlattorney: maybe with grep i could scratch something
girlattorney: i think that half MB won't be enough
asciilifeform: i wanted to see when was last time you got block, and from where
girlattorney: just like the one that i posted repeated till half MB
girlattorney: i'm very near to setup my blog to post screenshot and other stuff about the setup
girlattorney: i disabled the swap by not having it
girlattorney: i determine the writes using iotop
asciilifeform: girlattorney: can you describe exact setup ? (i.e. how determined '# writes', how disabled swap)
girlattorney: bdb sits the index on disk, that's ok, but i got the impression that to archive 1MB it needs to write like 1GB
girlattorney: and even if i was stuck a dozen of blocks behind the general block height, the connection with the other peers was still present, just producing garbage in debug.log
asciilifeform: ftr i want to see x86 and arm die , properly, and cremated, they belong in same place as winblows. srsly wtf, picture 'alphabet' of 700 symbols, that's x86..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923194 << if mp_en_viaje or anyone else can think of less ugly pill for described problem, i'm all ears, cuz indeed this one's barbaric ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: but i'll see your modern africa and trade you historical america
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know i coincidentally had just that tab open ?
asciilifeform: i defo saw at least 1 at that flea market
BingoBoingo: I'm rather surprised the primus thing isn't a more common artifact down here. They are around, but I guess most of the kerosene goes to the airport.
asciilifeform: good, i suppose, until lit.
BingoBoingo: I think I've found peak self important Argentine derpery: https://archive.is/wRbNu 1. Expecting Uruguay to act agaisnt a fishing vessel Argentina doesn't like because Argentina's charges against the boat are "public knowledge" though entirely domestic to Argentina. 2. Sticking to the Malvinas and trying to insist Uruguay derp with them over some British sheep islands not named New Zealand.
bvt: hello. I will try to finish the ffa work from the workplan over next two days. i had some meatspace interference that stole a few work hours.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:56 mod6: I created one for ave1s musltronic tools (which won't fit the bill yet, because of circular dep. of GNAT), one for diana_coman's Vtools (which may not fit the bill 100% either, yet), and one for TRB.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:30 mp_en_viaje: i'm waiting for you to die, in any case. then will loper-os.org. adnotated.
asciilifeform: the other variant is to do a la trb, genesis e.g. 3.70.16 (arbitrary, happens to be what i had around during 1st test) and ~then~ cut, a la trb. but it is gargantuan , would make trb genesis look microscopic in comparison, viewing the genesis patch in e.g. phf's viewer will prolly crash most www browser..
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 21:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i described this in the orig ifdefism thread. the solution is to stop pretending that coad worx on boxen where no one in living memory had ever tested it and signed.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the "include source in vpatch" is not merely re dependency, it's also "how do i meaningfully patch against absent code ?" and even "how the fuck am i supposed to display this ??"
diana_coman: I'm waiting on trinque to find out really. ☟︎
mod6: Yes, it ~should~ depend on the musltronic_tools ebuild, it does need more testing though to ensure I have the proper useage of RDEPEND. Yeah, I did see the earlier discussion of including the source; I agree with that,
diana_coman: ah, yours is a proper ebuild mod6 but shouldn't it notify of dependency on gnat i.e. it should basically install that one too first?
mod6: Hi diana_coman! Let me post what I did (simply as a discussion point - example), for those whom are following along: http://www.mod6.net/cuntoo/test/ebuilds/starter_v-99993.ebuild
mod6: (Also, should mention, I did see that diana_coman is working on her own ebuild, which is awesome, will most def. supersede what I was tinkering with last month.)
mod6: I created one for ave1s musltronic tools (which won't fit the bill yet, because of circular dep. of GNAT), one for diana_coman's Vtools (which may not fit the bill 100% either, yet), and one for TRB. ☟︎
mod6: Recently, on workbench, I've been trying to build up TRB on cuntoo; and most recently (last month) dipping my toe into creating ebuilds.
mod6: mp_en_viaje: Yeah, have good intent, wanting to be helpful. However, I need to think through some of these things a bit better. Exercise more restraint and caution on such things.
mp_en_viaje: maybe just make it a patch ? or whatever, i get that you mean well, but sometimes you manage to always get your fingers caught under this sort of furniture.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 12:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922941 << afaik all the airlines still are using the ~physically same~ ibm mainframes as in 1990. ( simply, in 'civilized' world, the agents run 'terminal' proggy under microshit. whereas in orclands, ye olde ibm glass terminals. i saw one in e.g. argentina, in coupla places )
mp_en_viaje: i'm waiting for you to die, in any case. then will loper-os.org. adnotated. ☟︎
asciilifeform: still not eaten all of mp_en_viaje's tho, i'm slow in ro. maybe will live long enuff, eat.
mp_en_viaje: then again i suppose that's what college even fucking is in the first place.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, this is actually gold standard for correctness. and if i find myself ~liking~ + agreeing, then suspicious, 'is argument really solid'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it still blows my mind how i keep coming to agree with this man notwithstanding i never seem to like him very much
mp_en_viaje: but back to the issue : i suspect all things any one actually wants will be easier and readylier had by taking an older version and cutting it down to sit on tmsr computing environment than by trying to run it on the campbell-soupcan flavour of windows, be it "foss"/"gnu"/"linux"/adobe/oracle/apple/whatever, they;re all windowses
mp_en_viaje: i think it must be just me, because i see the hordes of touchers everywhere.
mp_en_viaje: i personally enjoy much more buying a pair of shoes / acquiring a new whore / eating a meal than touching five thousand slimy, ugly and unpleasant "shoes" "whores" "meals" that fucking aren't.
asciilifeform: i can't even think of ~one~ post-'09 title i liked, other than 'portal'
mp_en_viaje: i didn't even start with it ; the actual history as it unfurled is fucking emblematic. 1 "oh, steamos ?" 2. nowait, no os, idiots ; 3. ahahaha, THEY HAVE NO GAMES, how can they survive 4. omfg bbq NOBODY DOES HAVE ANY