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mircea_popescu: there's places for flexibility ; but this isn't one. i dun even wanna think about "creative" solutions such as "retrocreate a genesis". just god damned it already, take the code, sign it, and then patch on the basis of that.
asciilifeform: my point was that mod6 could produce a genesis for v.pl that correctly clamps underneath existing vpatch sequence.
mircea_popescu: no sale ; no deal and no further discussion. there is A genesis, and everything else obeys this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no "a genesis". for the last fucking time.,
asciilifeform: i must point out that it is always possible to retroshit a genesis.
phf: there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but supposed to replace it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the trend of calling them "financial products" btw smacks of the whole "they fail at trading but succeed at feeling like a trader". basically western banking is moving into las vegas' niche, which is why that port got sanded.
phf: mircea_popescu and co, there's no deedbot process. at the frequency of vpatches, whenever i see one, i just uploaded it to btcbase. and by see, i mean it's posted to a log or just mentioned
mircea_popescu: "and as it isn't ready or willing to allow clients to cash out... BANKING IS NOT A TAX (says the SCROTUK)
diana_coman: but actually why pairwise only? iirc you can mix up to 16 in one go using a table, no? (if it wasn't complicated enough )
mircea_popescu: here's a nice eulora knapsack problem for anyone looking to sharpen their ACTUAL computer science skills : ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes. wasn't a complaint.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525872 << there remains nothing that is a trivial fix, afaik, only mega-surgeries that promise not only to mutilate 'grandfather's pistol' but even to bolt-shit-on-side... ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525867 << doesn't jurov's box have a wwwtronic hopper now? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so if i want to publish a vpatch today, how do i go about it ?
mircea_popescu: the coupla times i used it, i recall it working (after cutting through a mess of operator error).
mircea_popescu: i do of course recall alf throwing a number of hissy fits
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525462 << http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/29/how-a-donut-habit-can-send-you-to-jail ☝︎
mod6: this was a great read: http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/
ben_vulpes: how does one have a steak with SAP anyways?
ben_vulpes: i wonder why anyone would give half a shit about an ex-conference organizer's...steak?
covertress: as I've spent a very busy few sleepless days/nights out of the country, I'll say my goodnights now
covertress: mircea_popescu, one of my co-panelists has a proposal for you. I'll bring it when I visit.
covertress: enjoyed a wonderful steak with DFInstitute, SAP & 500 Startups @ http://www.barberians.com/
asciilifeform: spin machine tells that this front-running is somehow a win ? for KONSOOMERZ.
asciilifeform: a) why do this, or b ) why it could not be done in software - remains a mystery.
asciilifeform: 'IEX slows down all of the trades that go through its system with a 38-mile coil of fiber-optic cable that sits between the outside world and the exchange’s main computer. It takes trading signals 350 millionths of a second to get through the coil.'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 20:46 asciilifeform: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2016-August/031475.html << they have a CONFERENCE!11111
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:20 mircea_popescu: "I doubt this will ever happen. Even he never cracked any PGP keys at all, the FUD he spread around was a nice way to get some free advertising. Look, people saying his name on gnupg and enigmail lists, which are quite popular I believe."
mircea_popescu: the gnupg official mail list announcement coming in second goes pretty good with a side helping of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523119 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no, looky : For GnuPG 2.1 things are different because there is a long running process (gpg-agent) which creates all keys.
asciilifeform: (2.x is a monstrosity for other reasons)
mircea_popescu: which is how a huge thorny tree of "programs" that ate in excess of 300bn in 15 years has produced exactly ZERO any sort of results of any kind whatsoever to date.
mircea_popescu: which is more a result of blind statistics than of institutional management
mircea_popescu: whole shebang has a lot more to do with absurdist theatre than with technological process.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525750 << your mental model of a functional monolithical sensible "meta-nsa" is contradicted by the practice. a lot of redundancy is baked in by legions of mindless, not terribly intelligent, here today and gone tomorrow "analysts", "experts", "contractors" and whatnot, with management broadly unaware of what the situation is. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you're going to have to pay a fine if you do more than a dozen lines in succession you hear ?
asciilifeform: and who won't love 'As far as the conference program goes, the Mesh may be considered as a proposal to replace/augment the existing OpenPGP key server infrastructure with a new one that provides support for multiple PKI based applications and trust models. ... The Mesh makes it easy for a user to transfer an email configuration from one machine to another and offers to automatically configure OpenPGP ... service whose architecture ma
asciilifeform: 'In the last 4 years developing OpenKeychain, an OpenPGP implementation for Android, we made several unconventional UX decisions. While other implementations are still based on UX paradigms introduced in 1997 by PGP 5, we try to re-invent UX for a broader user base. Some of our decisions are subject to controversy in the OpenPGP community, in particular those of hiding information and complexity from the user, rather than giving them
phf: i thought you said "what is on the agenda", i spent a few minutes trying to interpret those subjects in a nefarios way
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2016-August/031475.html << they have a CONFERENCE!11111 ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'I _might_ have introduced the hole to mix in more bytes in each step. Or it was a plain bug.' -- koch.
asciilifeform: once you have a known ~relation~ like this, you can work with it.
asciilifeform: all he needs is a lattice solution, as described in the sarkar thing.
asciilifeform: 'Collaboration between multiple divisions within TAO and S215 led to the development of a custom-built router exploit and new HAMMERCORE implant builds.'
phf: a side effect of lifestyle choices..
mircea_popescu: why not you know, play a harmonica like a normal drunk.
mircea_popescu: bavarian thing, like a tiny piano.
asciilifeform: ever see a 'harmonium' ?
asciilifeform: quite often, e.g., asciilifeform , is reduced to working on 1 display, sometimes for weeks at a time, on account of travel, say.
mircea_popescu: the other possibility, however, is that it comes from the same place a love of tchotchkes comes.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'not from a good life.'
mircea_popescu: this is a cheap, and perhaps correct explanation.
asciilifeform: quite a few items that look 'wtf, why would you DO that' to mircea_popescu , come from not having a slave stable
asciilifeform: hanbot: i used to turn'em on/off, had entire switchboard for this, then noticed that IT is a timesink...
mircea_popescu: just for kicks /me imagines alf becoming a talk show host, having 45 different microphones implanted in his ears. for science.
mircea_popescu: more over : it was over the merits of implementing a specific cut in hardware vs software.
mircea_popescu: again, the discussion was re a specific bit of software.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 18:40 mircea_popescu: phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 12:40 mircea_popescu: so on other news, i am writing teh republic's "cia factbook", and on the matter of gdp i would like to have an estimate of the "fair market value of the total time donated to republic during 2015" in the estimation of everyone involved. detailed is better, but nothing over a page omg.
asciilifeform: and if it is in a low-priority corner of peripheral vision, i can ignore.
mircea_popescu: phf that's a luxury on par with sleeping ad libitum.
mircea_popescu: often it actually is analyst-produced, because yes, phf intuitscorrectly, the ~only thing a "process" in the sense of, bash window is, is a very cheap version of mazarin's informants. who wrote him letters. which he read... on a non-tiling display.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do you learn when a process has produced an interesting output ?
phf: those techniques are seen as necessary in a situation that is suboptimal. yes, you need throttle and rudder, but it would've been better if you only had one
asciilifeform: i'm not interested in having ONE scroll and a bunch of 'something changed, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK' blinkers.
phf: there's multiple training systems that are supposed to teach an operator how to deal with multiple inputs in high stress situations (like cockpit, or nuclear powerplant), and the techniques are all reduced to "how to perceive multiple streams as a single stream"
phf: PeterL: that's actually a well known counter examples that supports the opposite of what you're trying to say
phf: the point might be that a single information stream is always superior to multiple streams. the second comes from necessity (there's no time or desire to find a way to merge them, there's no analyst to merge them for you, etc.). it's always a better state when you can only have one, in which case tiling is a pointless concept. you only ever have one stream.
mircea_popescu: you know, contrary to the tv version of blinkenlichten, in cockpit design, and ESPECIALLY for combat or any sort of emergency situation, more items are regarded as a serious liability.
PeterL: pilot only needs one instrument at a time, why clutter cockpit?!?
mircea_popescu: i tell you though, whenever i came into the office of some dude who was literally fucking around with 45 different pieces of paper at the same time, i wouldn't think "oh this guy is such a super hero" but rather "ok, this guy's getting fired first."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing this "tiling" bullshit does, in your case as exemplified, and in general as a matter of necessity, is that it allows you to hide your poor cognitive performance in minutious labour. IF you are encountering certain classes of problems (wood splinters in glans penis), it is because you are doing certain things wrong and should revise your process. a signal proper pagination does give you, and tiling
phf: mircea_popescu: i work a lot better with your method, but i also sometimes like to manually drag windows around in a particular arrangement as a sort of distracted busy work. the only usecase i found for tiling wm is "full screen everything"
mircea_popescu: anyway ; anyone is free to jack off with whatever technique he prefers. let it be clearly stated though that a) underhand is perfectly valid and b) that the first time you were unsupervised as a 9yo you did it with sharpened pencils does not mean sharpened pencisl are required to jack off.
phf: actually i had best results with multiple logs in a single file, color coded. it gives you also better understanding of time relationship between events
mircea_popescu: because YOU, a single guy, IS WATCHING IT. apparently.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i want it in a single file
mircea_popescu: "it would be so terribly hard and difficult to pipe all the shit into a single file and tail that omaygerd."
asciilifeform: phf: dafuq i want with 'find a square somewhere'. i want this scrolling log RIGHT HERE, on display #3, under the other log for other boxes, and this one gets 2cm because it is not esp. important.
mircea_popescu: phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal ☟︎
phf: laying out terminals is nice, but i prefer how fvwm did it. "find a square of screen realestate, where i can fit it, with some tolerance"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: install a couple square metres of lcd and write back.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've yet to use a "non-full-screen window" for anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, so is any woman you meet. in a few brief years she'll have to be redone, by some woman, painfully, from zero.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i won't use anything but a tiling wm.
asciilifeform: this - admittedly - is a subjective observation. take, or leave, whatever.
asciilifeform: wading through megatonne of shit is a very different experience, in practice, from cleaning one small chamber pot.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:04 phf: you just forgot how it was in '98. you now have wider range of available shit, so it's the snr that has changed. there was definitely a peak free software where available range also had max hacker value, i.e. intangible quality of buildable, inspectable, etc. but before that free software was kind of shit with a lot of dyi required.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525373 << im with him. it's not altogether clear that the shit of today is any worse than the utter shit of 1990s. contrary to what the fans believe, stupid shit never worked worth a damn. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 16:38 asciilifeform: a: 'We are rejecting this PR as it introduces "Unacceptable Changes", see our breaking change contract. If you disagree with this resolution, you will need to start an RFC. Note that our RFC process currently states only team members may create a new RFC. Our intent is to open this up to the community at large, we'll be updating that repo very soon to clarify.'
asciilifeform: it it even correct to use word 'target' for a willing muppet
mircea_popescu: they want merkel to be a military target, best declare war to germany first.
mats: asciilifeform: i recall a 'belgacom' operation perpetrated by uk
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i guess police are like dogs. throw a bone in one direction, do activity in different direction.
mats: pay a guy - pay three. you worried about premiums or something?
mats: its unbelievable to me that your network is so small you can't orchestrate a btc purchase for cash
thestringpuller: you have a safe in your car. they take the safe and let you keep on rolling.
mats: set the meet at a police station like most folks on craigslist with $expensive-item