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phf: i
think it's like
transhumanist porn,
the idea
that consciousness will preserve its form on whatever substrate, so with some Quantum Physics we can have "humans" operating at subatomic levels by being
there.
mircea_popescu: esthlos i dunno what it means
tho. how do you mean, consciousness jumping ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I have not. gotta add it
to
the list
esthlos: any
thoughts on
the "consciousness jumping noncontinuously from electron
to electron" speil? in
the sense
that, it seems dumb, but kinda sexy
too
phf: i've accidentally read greg egan's quarantine, followed by schild's ladder, i
take it once you read one of his novels you've read all of
them, unless i choose a particularly similar narratives
Mocky: the rewrite but not
the original!
mircea_popescu: esthlos Mocky either of you ever read
the luminous rewrite ?
Mocky: the view
that ambient human brain damage level is strictly curable by 'education'
esthlos doesn't know
the first
thing about ruling
esthlos: neal stephenson gave a pretty lulzy rendition of
the dynabook in
the diamond age. poor kid gets ahold of
the republican
technology, goes on
to rule
the world
esthlos: phf: oh yes,
the dynabook, you're right
phf: esthlos: i don't
think
that's
the case, squeak was his main apple project, but even going before
than dynabook was already in
the works at parc
mircea_popescu: they're usually very excited about "brain percentages" and usually mozart figures in
the verbiage.
mircea_popescu: often
they band
together and
try
to opress young republicans with "programs for exclelence" batshit insane nonsense along
the veins of "this kid learned
to read at 3 months old!"
mircea_popescu: but
the shocking part is,
they have no formal diffusion,
they're all individual/solitary and yet very uniformly minded.
Mocky: oh man dr dobbs, haven't seen
that in ages. I used
to get
the dead
tree version
phf: they are all inspired by dead poets society, "oh captain my captain" and all
that stuff
esthlos: phf: I
think he wanted
to build something for adults, but his work at apple disillusioned him, american adults
too retarded for multiple desktops etc. so
then yeah, pedo phase
mircea_popescu: "if only children floated in a soup of abstraction
there'd be no world hunger" sorta wikiwank.
mircea_popescu: "oh,
the children" hurr durr, always boils down
to a sort of listless, old pedophile's excitement.
mircea_popescu: phf amusingly,
this is a ~type~, like
the 90s academic in
the pepit jacket with
the square bag slung over shoulder.
phf: but his goal with smalltalk etc. wasn't
to build a machine for grownups, it was supposed
to be a montessori creative exploration device
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't know if
there's a definition, "idea" would've been a better
term. in any case i've never heard anything concrete, except for
the papert/piaget/montessori like esthlos said statements.
phf: alan kay's fixation on children
though always confused me, and i
think was
the undoing of most of his children. like his definition of what children want or like is
that of a person profoundly out of
touch.
Mocky: even alan kay is liek,
this aint what object orient programming was meant
to be
mircea_popescu: because
they permitted all sorts of patibulaires
take over
the show. with retards like marc shitdressen and paul graham handling
the funding, usg
tech went
to shit.
esthlos: o course, don't
think he's done anything of merit since
those days.
esthlos: phf: you know, about a year ago I wrote Alan Kay asking wtf happened
to computing since
the days of darpa and xerox parc. his response was "funding now sux"
phf: esthlos:
that was never
the case (though it certainly looked
that way didn't it),
the golden age of vlsi happened because of a darpa grant, essentially "give us your designs, we'll fab it for you free of charge"
ben_vulpes: and so
the girlies shack up with other girlies,
the boys retire
to secular onasteries, and
they all
think it precisely
tits.
☟︎ esthlos: asciilifeform: my understanding is
that most unis used
to have chip fab facilities much like machining facilities, and profs would regularly build iron. did something make
the cost skyrocket? (maybe in logz: I will read)
mircea_popescu: and in
the spirit of
their imbecility,
they
think
this failure justifies... MORE OF
THE CAUSE OF IT
mircea_popescu: jesus christ, imagine
this wonder,
two decades of "political corecntess" and "stop rape" and "yes means notanal" and whatever
the fuck "empathy" and "really really understanding girls" and whatnot has reduced success rate
to 0%
ben_vulpes: well hey i biked
through from
time
to
time
mircea_popescu: come
to
think about it... i don't know of a single case of girl laying a... student.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i doubt
there's what knows how
to use a slut on
that campus
esthlos: tho
they do have some stuff going for
them. nuclear reactor, excellent math and sciences. but yes, intolerable student body
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno about
that, man. from
the slut's angle,
there's a lot of plain fucking going about.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's all
the poor dears know
ben_vulpes: esthlos: ah, once a classy joint i hear. since
then, well, epicenter of "i don't date nazis" nonsense
esthlos: reed. still have some friends out
there
esthlos: asciilifeform:
that's what I suspected. most of
those
transistors wasted by modern kernel anyway
esthlos had
the displeasure
to go
to school in portland
esthlos: oh yes.
they just got
the freedom (!!!)
to pump
their own gas
esthlos: asciilifeform: I've heard stories from someone who works
the floor of an Intel plant in Oregon. seems like a very costly operation for
those low-nm processors
phf: from
that perspective climacs is a better approach: common lisp as a vm, mcclim as an application authoring framework, climacs as an editor widget
esthlos: somewhat on
topic, as someone still reading logz: is eventual plan
tmsr dataflow lispm revival? heathen iron has
to be abandoned, no?
phf: Mocky: fwiw everything inside emacs is a side effect of essentially confining
the lisp machine vm
to
the emacs process. on lisp machines proper
the process was inside out: stick emacs everywhere you needed a
text editor, but otherwise have separate programs.
Mocky: but as you say asciilifeform, problem is deeper
than
that
Mocky: dun belong strictly in
text editor only
Mocky: like running any named command with M-x, why can't i do
that in my browser, or cad program or whaterver
Mocky: emacs. which
to me explains org mode and emails and browser in emacs, and i suppose
the emacs+ratpoison. but in any case a lot of
that useful shit dun belong stuck inside an editor
Mocky: revisiting emacs:
the problem for me, and
the reason i quit it after ~1 year is
that
the cut between editor / os / keyboard was so obviously wrong. once you get comfortable with
the useful stuff in
there it sucks
that you
then can *only* use it in emacs. what, i can't have a decent editor for anything outside of emacs? most of
the answers
to
that question are either a) fuck emacs or b) fuck everything outside of
mircea_popescu: i always suspected su never got enough foreign made
to end up with
the conventions.
mircea_popescu: so anyway, if you find a z80 with
that beta on it, you got a genuine ro made item.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure baneasa made
them ; but stopped ccaq 1988 and i doubt any crates survive untouched