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mircea_popescu: i am having a major perturbation, and have for weeks.
this is just...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am starting
to feel exactly like golden age antrhopologists cca 1800s going "how
the fuck did
these primitives who didn't even sail manage
to have ~the same myths~ ?"
mircea_popescu: how do
they even know
to do
this ? not like
they're studying each other! fuck, not like
they even have
the ability
to meet, or even speak.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:27 mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured
to me
that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of
the lamenormal. why are you wondering
that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!"
mircea_popescu: it's just shocking
to me how ~perdurant~ certain
thought patterns are. in continuation of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829978 ; because ~how
the fuck~ is it
the case i'd find
the same stupidity implemented by some orc kids in some video game engine wanna-be as usg's own brahmin german put in
the post-zimmermann pgp massacre ?
☝︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform,
that is
the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel
them off one by one
mircea_popescu: "let's make keys, and let's give
them indices
that aren't guarantee
to not collide, and
then let's regexp match indices in
this indexed list by AN EVEN SHORTER PATTERN"
mircea_popescu: but im starting
to suspect it actually regexps over an indexed list.
mircea_popescu: and what it does
to memory management is nobody's business
diana_coman: one of
the many ways client croaks from
time
to
time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform permit me
to quote : "FindSortedKey<csFixedSizeAllocator<32u, CS::Memory::AllocatorHeap<CS::Memory::Heap*> >::BlockKey> (this=0x9aee6d3c, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at ./include/csutil/array.h:893"
phf: well, like i said from
that perspective
there's nothing left
to do, cygwin is not supported.
mircea_popescu: my first step would be "omfg
take
that cygwin out". but as per phf's, since i'm not doing it...
mircea_popescu: and in practice,
too. Mocky 's out
there
trying
to run a eulora
toolchain on windows i
think, peterl
trying
to vtool on cygwin, etc
mircea_popescu: hence
the multi-tree comment earlier.
this seems inescapable.
mircea_popescu: the signature is as
to reading, ie, performative, i joe did
this. it is not as
to
the world, ie, declarative, "sticks and stones won't break your bones".
phf: mircea_popescu: but his argument doesn't indicate how pneumonia is a disease. "you will die from pneumonia"
taken in isolation doesn't indicate "how soon", etc.
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even
those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb
to not go see doctor.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm still unconvinced by
this line of argument, and not on
technical merits. i
think
there's a point
that i can't articulate, about what it is
that you're signing exactly. an if-def-less code suffers from
the same problem
that you're
trying
to apply
to ifdef specifically. i can't sign
that printf is not malicious on
the
target machine.
mircea_popescu: coherence is after all expensive, and yet-another statement of "the core of
this here republic" would be
that we don't value coherence above our own heads.
mircea_popescu: so it'd seem
the directly evident solution is also correct : let him pull out all ifdefs and let you maintain
them, and if
this means divergent-same
trees, what of it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:11 mircea_popescu: and all
this goes right into
that older
thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language
that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in
the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want
to use".
phf: mircea_popescu: it was more of a
tongue in cheek, since i
think
that asciilifeform is
tediously relentless on
this particular point
mircea_popescu: phf
the "considering
that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in
the sense
that of
telling sons "considering i'm
the only one fucking anything...". dami
tempu ca
ti pirtusu
phf: this argument also applies
to
the entirety of code off
the happy path. "but dollars
to doughnuts if you dun have <particularly situation> you won't bother reading its <conditional blocks>".
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand of
this argument, "hey mp, what
time is it ?" "when ? now ? or when you asked me ?"
phf: you're not signing
that printf on counterparty's machine doesn't actually bind
to system("rm ...")
phf: well, vpatches without one
true genesis implicitly bring in
the world
mircea_popescu: phf
this is not avoidable,
to figure out ~why~ you put x.key in your seals dir you gotta know, human-know, what x stands for.
phf: well, in principles i'm not buying
the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted
to solve
that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i
think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have
to consult with
the signer
to discover what
the intent was.
phf: considering
that no one but myself have signed vtools i'm not
too worried about
that part
a111: Logged on 2014-10-24 23:22 asciilifeform: because all
that was done in patch 1, is remove ifdef crud
a111: Logged on 2016-01-03 03:48 mircea_popescu: <ascii_rear> static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<<
that's pretty cvool actually.
mircea_popescu: in other strange,
there's apparently a
town of ypsilanti in michigan.
mircea_popescu: i hope you're as impressed as me with
the nude and rude, "ask a question, get an answer,
this isn't fucking about".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the cocaine mystery resolved by
the conclave of girls
that know all sexual
things (tm) : yes strongest local anesthetic ;
the
thing called "face fucking" (ye olde irrumatio, as in "paedicabo ego vos et irrumabo") requires a skilled practitioner on
the receiving side. if doctor prefers
to fuck other people's wives, anesthesia help.s
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of
the Republic, if anyone has any updates or changes
to
the list of Advertised Republican Nodes, please let me know as soon as possible.
Thanks in advance.
phf: but where
this subthread started "_outside of linux/bsd_ code is probably not going
to work, and
the approach is
to look at
the configuration header file and patch it _for your system_
phf: well, in
that case
the problem is already solved. if PeterL were
to install cuntoo with musl (or without) vtools will build.
phf: that's not
the source of
the issue
though, musl is libc, all
the other libc's also support
the entirety of libc,
the horror crawls
through
the parts where no libc or posix or whatever exists. for example byteswapping code is not in
there
phf: well, not until we also start providing our own, portable libc with all
the possible portable functionality included. like bswap64 in
this case
phf: PeterL:
the approach
that we've been
taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going
to work, and
the approach is
to look at
the configuration header file (
http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
☟︎ PeterL: is
the
token SWAP_BE64 something
that you don't have
to define on good systems?
PeterL: asciilifeform: worse,
this is cygwin
BingoBoingo: I have my doubts
that
they do.
They ones who do it here are mostly bums getting hight off of low content waste products.
mircea_popescu: or, "here, everyone does
this much", 16 yo gets seizures. "everyone ie a bunch of old crack whores ?! wow!"
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the world is full of junkies going "he-he, 1 gram cocaine ld50, i once bla bla bla". yes, obviously, if you do enough it stops doing anything whatsoever eventually. but in civillians...
mircea_popescu: there's a reason doctors don't deliver medicine
this way, you know ?
mircea_popescu: penis
terrible delivery mechanism, you never know how much gets slobbered down your ballsac etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, if it's uncut and
the woman's unused, she can croak just fine out of a sprinkling.